Thread 717879094

super high-fidelity graphics has done an order of magnitude more damage to the video game industry compared to what it has improved, so why do people still defend it?

>What boiling a visual down to its pure essence through process of elimination was.

Where is that fucking paperclip when you need some faggot to fix his grammer?

If this is true why do so many indie games look soulless?

>>717879453
>grammer

>>717879558
Because they all use premade engines or buy premade assets that solve these problems in a standardized way, making everything look the same.

>>717879094 (OP)
when i see this image i can feel the cold, when i see a modern game do a snow level its always during a sunny day

>>717879558
because indie games are made by people who don't really know what they're doing. limitations breed creativity, but you still need actual talent for that to happen

>>717879558
Making things look good with crap tech is different from making things look bad with great tech.

>>717879558
because they're unity games pretending to be retro games

>>717879558
>why does the work of a novice with a brush not look as good as the work of a master with a brush?

>>717879094 (OP)
braindead dogshit for retards
i cant fucking tell whether this is counter stirke or proejct igi or metal gear solid or delta force

>>717879558
I mean, this is literally just the statistical outcome you would expect. Indie games, by definition, are self-published. ANYONE can make an "indie" game. The majority of the population is not talented at much. They'd make for shit writers, shit artists, shit musicians, shit actors, etc. But all of them can release their work.
So the answer to "why do so many indie games look soulless" is "because you are look at the bad ones, you fucking idiot."
Its like going on to amazon and just browsing the entirety of the self published book section and going "Wow this is a lot of shitty, softcore porn. Where are the great novels!?" By even asking the question you're just revealing that you're too stupid to understand what it is you are asking.

>>717879696
It's the sky and the fog distance, it puts you in the middle of snowfall mentally and that strengthens the idea that it's cold.

>>717879645
Yeah, genious, you know, how words are strung together to form coherent sentences.

>>717880542
>genious

>>717879094 (OP)
Don’t know what that game is, but it’s ugly as shit.
t. 32 year old boomer

>>717880604
It's called sarcasm, bucko. I don't literally think you're a genious. In fact, I think you're a fart huffer.

>>717879094 (OP)
>truthful
you lost me there
retarded shit

>>717880752
God I hope for your sake this is all a bit.

>>717880752
based

>>717879094 (OP)
is bottom delta force or rainbow six?

>>717879558
Because those Indie games for the most part are made by hipster faggots who are trying to emulate what went before without understanding the why.
They merely are trying to replicate and copy a style without truly understanding the context, the ideas, the time period, the culture of the time surrounding those games.
The original games of the time period of PS1 and N64 were at the cutting edge pushing at every single bit of processing power they could, they were masters of their craft.

>>717880798
A bit what? You forgot a word.

>>717880726
it's an indie game called "deep state", which is currently in development
it's basically metal gear solid 1 combined with deus ex

>>717880798
reddit is up the stairs to the right, there's a neon light sign, you can't miss it

>>717880914
SAAR

Hmmm naw I think this is better. It's just that people don't put effort into soft power anymore.

>>717881137
Slop

>>717881132
>>717881154
go away

>>717879094 (OP)
Fidelity means nothing without style

>>717881154
The art is slop but the tech is amazing.

Movies have been using CGI for decades I wouldn't call it slop.

>>717881370
No, the tech is also slop

>>717881370
do you think they fucked

>>717879558
because boiling something down to its true essence is very hard and takes decades of practise. you might have seen an image where it says you have to be able to draw this (full detailed photoreal human) before you can pull off this (human with a their whole personality conveyed with like two lines)

>>717881554
>practise

>>717881418
Yeah, because they use UE5

>>717879094 (OP)
Older game graphic have visual clarity and thats what makes them superior. Modern games are bogged down every filter and post processing effect and nothing is drawing your eyes because its such a mess. Add on the awful UI with a thoudsand pop ups and meters and checklists and you can see why people like the older visuals.

>>717881554
>human with a their whole personality conveyed with like two lines
what does that look like? a silhouette with a smiley face?

>>717881871
I don’t think older games had “clarity”
Almost all early 3D games had an extremely short LoD with a grey mist blocking how far you can see

>>717881871
>Add on the awful UI with a thoudsand pop ups and meters and checklists and you can see why people like the older visuals.
that reminds me
i started playing the finals 2 days ago and i'm completely lost half the time because the UI is just so confusing and cluttered; everything is a different colour, size and shape, nothing feels intuitive and it just feels like the visual style was more important to the actual utility of it
i don't play much but whenever i need to look at where the objective is or whatever, i have to look around the UI for a second or two to find it
this was never a problem for me with older games

>>717882093
You read clarity and think it means draw distance?

No, this is just more gay zoomer shit like having an oscilloscope.

>>717879558
Simulacra and Simulation

>Yu Mo Gui Gwai Fai Di Zao
Yu Mo Gui Gwai Fai Di Zao
>Yu Mo Gui Gwai Fai Di Zao
Yu Mo Gui Gwai Fai Di Zao

>>717879558
the difference between a pixel art style out of necessity and a pixel art style out of convenience

>>717882073
for example, 人 is the chinese character for "person" in both Chinese and Japanese meaning and it's based off a pictograph of a person
it's written in literally two strokes

>>717879094 (OP)
It's just Snoys and Xbots that defend that trash, everyone else enjoys indies and Nintendo games.

>>717882205
I read clarity and I assumed clarity of the visual kind

Roblox

>>717882501
It is clarity of the visual kind, but that is distinct from draw distance. Clarity in this case means extraneous detail has been removed, less is happening visually, so what is happening stands out more.

>>717879094 (OP)
Games with a proper art style is timeless. Games that chase photo realistic graphics will look dated at some point.

>>717882418
i see, thanks

>>717879094 (OP)
it's like having the powers to change the world but lacking the drive and desire to do so
we keep hoping one day they will use their powers for good but instead they just keep churning out the samey kind of shit we've grown to hate

>>717882560
Well I guess I just don’t see that as the right word

>>717879094 (OP)
not reading this pretentious drivel
>Oh, what a tragedy this is. As I ponder the thought alone in my cave of solitude, I weep for the phantoms of humanity trapped in the past, to never see the bright future.
STFU

>>717882569
>will look dated at some point.
That point is usually "immediately."

>>717881370
CGI is absolutely slop

>>717879558
Not every artist, is a good artist.

>>717879854
>because they're unity games pretending to be retro games
The whole concept of "retro" is something modern pretending to be old. That indie shit is truly retro. The PSX game it's aping is just old.

>>717879558
because you grew up and those things u think looks cool as kid are now ass

I really love playing games I missed out on as a kid from the 90s and 00s

>>717887992
keyed

>>717887992
emulation must never die

>>717879558
false premise. some of it is soulful. the shit drowns everything out but there's the odd dev that rises above the chaff and knows what they're doing.

>>717882418
so was that just a set up for a chinese pun or is there a deeper meaning to it?

>>717879558
because all indie games suck ass

>>717879094 (OP)
>>717879558
>Mah lookism
Christ. I thought this was /v/ the Video GAMES as in Gameplay board. Not the VIDEO games as in Graphics matter only board. Then again judging by the awful grammar trying to sound intellectual and endless retarded takes graphics being more important than Gameplay. It's no wonder why everything has declined.

>>717879704
Limitations don't breed creativity unless you need to coordinate with other people and learn things as a result of those limitations. If you don't do that, then the end result is just a limitation shaped product with some bits cut off.
>>717881370
CGI is maximum slop that is being used to paper over just how bad the management and working environment for films has become.
There's a reason that awards shows will just cut off any VFX studio mid-speech and it's because the industry is built on their shit working conditions.
>>717890675
Graphics determine readability and set some boundaries on what is feasibly possible in gameplay.

>>717881370
current cgi is slop, cgi from like 2011 back was pretty great, only after the turn of the decade did it become pajeet garbage for the most part. look at 2005 king kong, or the pirates of the caribean movies, the PEAK of cgi

>>717879094 (OP)
It's true that this is objectively a better artstyle but I'd still rather play newer looking games. It's just outdated

>>717882148
They have to pay UX experts a lot of money to make a game's hud and menus look exactly the same as every other game but also completely fail to be intuitive.

>>717891236
It's like saying 2d animation is slop. You can compare Akira or ghost in the shell to shit like modern anime as well.

Weird how almost every single medium is suffering from the slop issue.

What a coincidence.

>>717879453
Clippy was told that behavior is problematic and toxic.

>>717879558
childhood bias

>>717890787
>Graphics determine readability and set some boundaries on what is feasibly possible in gameplay.
What kind of fucking pseudo sentence is this? Putting random words on a thesaurus does not make you intelligent. Just makes you look like a giga retard.

>>717879558
because the soulless old games are forgotten so all of indie gets compared to the best of the old shit

>>717879094 (OP)
Why can’t you use modern technology and rendering techniques on top of what the screencap suggests? Why do people think it means using ps1 tier polycounts and pixel textures will magically give a game soul?

>>717893207
Oh man, so much this
"Old good, new bad" is really shitty mindset, when it actually boils down to "Old good = good, new bad = bad"

>>717880752
>bucko

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2788210/DEEP_STATE/

soul

>>717896147
it had so much potential to be a good military old school shooter with kino storyline instead they went for cheese
>DEEP STATE MY MAN
>PARANORMAL
>WOAH

trash

>>717879558
>making the best of what you've got
Vs
>making things look dated even though you have 1000x more headroom

>>717879094 (OP)
Realistic graphics look best
HOWEVER
That low poly picture is unironically more realistic than UE5 shit. When I look at someone's hair or a tree in real life I don't see flickering.

>>717879094 (OP)
I like lofi graphics because it's way easier to do texture/model swaps and insert character customization into literally any game. Your only limit is the retarded legacy compression a lot of games put on models that you can't view/unpack so you can't mix and match the 3d stuff.

>>717881137
genuine soulless slop. i think ive seen this picture a thousand times.

>>717879558
because shit's fucking hard man, try it yourself
no wonder full studios with experienced professional artists had better results than solo devs who often learn art as they go

>>717879094 (OP)
I am really glad to see this. I always knew it wasn't just that I grew up with these games. Always knew that they conveyed something through those older graphics that modern games often fail to convey.
>>717879558
Its because these games aren't made on hardware that has limitations. So these indie games often go for a certain look and certain parts of the art will clash with other parts. Making the whole game look mismatched rather then like everything looks cohesive.

come home

How about we spend millions of dollars on graphics instead while ignoring basic gameplay and optimization?

>>717898376
no way this is real. how do you even end up doing something like this?

>>717898376
>KSP
Isn't this game malware? The framerate drops are probably just the cryptominer or whatever it's got running in the background.

>>717898419
If I were to takea guess I'd say it's the smoke sim, assuming it is a sim instead of pre-baked effect

>>717879094 (OP)
that's a lot of fancy words just to say videogames had better visibility before
he should make a 30 minute video where he goes in circles talking about this

>>717892018
If any of the words in that sentence seem like something you'd need a "thesaurus" to know about then you're absolutely fucking illiterate.
I'm so fucking sick of people who would literally struggle to read Harry Potter acting like it's somehow everyone else's fault that they're stupid.

So you suck at reading and struggle with words like "readability" (ironic). You know how to fix that? READ A BOOK

>>717881137
How much of that scene is interactive?