What were they thinking?

>tendo
>thinking
Their only thoughts are finding ways to fuck over competition through abuse of law

>>717885893
nintendo doesn't actually develop pokemon, even if they involve themselves in the franchise
it's actually the pokemon company

>>717885960
Gamefreak makes pokemon. The Pokemon Company is in charge of all the physical goods.

>>717885801 (OP)
It's been like a decade since we got new megas so everyone forgot what the design philosophy for them was. A lot of the changes were very simple like Gardevoir getting a longer flesh dress or Sableye just getting a big gem. Dragonite just regrows traits it lost from Dragonair.

>>717885960
retard alert

>>717885801 (OP)
It’s a humiliation ritual to test how much people will tolerate

megga durganite :DDD

Mega Goodra will be better

If you hate goofy shit like this then you probably weren't a big Dragonite fan anyway.

>>717885801 (OP)
It seems a bit in line with past Mega Evolutions.
I personally think most are baffling design decisions and unappealing to look at. However, I do like a couple of them.

>>717885801 (OP)
Why didn't they just put the wings on the back
And also make it blue

>>717885801 (OP)
you niggas just hate on everything they make, doesn't matter how good it is. its easy to tell when a shitpost is disingenuous as hell and its always from someone who never played the games or some pretentious shithead from Gen 1 or 5.

>>717887282
Mega aggron makes me so sad, they did so much to make him good
Mono steel typing, heightened attack and defense, a solid ability
But the fact that you're giving up your mega slot to have him and not being able to use an item ruin it because a single intimidate makes him a sitting duck

>>717886172
gardevoir marriage

>>717887402
Mega Aggron could actually be good now that it gets Body Press.

>>717885801 (OP)
They were thinking "Lets change it up just a little and make some fucking M O N E Y"

>>717887343
Agreed. Modern Pokemon has had a lot of issues but the doomposters have all gone nuts and are now melting down over anything new shown off, even something as inoffensive as Mega Dragonite.

>>717887282
why are there so many hoenn megas?

>>717887693
Because gen 3 got a remake right after megas got introduced.

>>717885801 (OP)
They could've given him bigger wings. They could've given him arm/leg guards. They could've given him sharp fangs. Instead, they put wings on his head which makes no sense. Look what they did to my goofy dragon pokemon.

>these genwunners will buy fucking anything rby

>>717887402
Doesn't even have any recovery moves besides Rest. What a miserable state of affairs.

>>717885801 (OP)
People needed a reminder that most mega evo designs are bad.

>>717885801 (OP)
>What were they thinking?
We want the Quivern audience

>>717885801 (OP)
It makes sense. It doesn't look good, but it makes sense from a design stand point. Besides, Dragonites always looked like some sort of joke

>>717889851
No it doesn't nigger. They should've just gave him big angelic wings, and a larger horn.

>>717888026
>unovamutt talking about slop
xir pls

>>717887693
Because ORAS was in Gen VI
The other bulk of them are Gen I because 2013 is when the franchise shifted its marketing strategy to "remember Kanto?" Meanwhile the number of Megas for Johto, Sinnoh, Unova, and Kalos (total of 13, 14 if you count Ash-Greninja) only barely outnumber Kanto Megas from XY alone (at 12) and don't with all of Gen VI (15). Galar is pretty unfortunate too with nearly all Gigantmaxes being Kanto or Galar, the sole exceptions being Garbodor and Melmetal (and even that is closer to Kanto than Alola because of GO and LGPE).

Fortunately, Game Freak has started moving away from this since around 2021, and BDSP (by virtue of being a remake of pre-2013 Pokémon) onward are more balanced with what regions are promoted.

>>717890180
I'm a Sinnohfag, tyvm

>>717890257
no one believes your muttnova kike lies, kys

>>717887440

>>717890124
lmao you must be over 18 to post here.

>>717890207
I'm still mad Sinnoh starters got skipped for Megas because of BDSP remakes

>>717887282
Mawile and Lucario are the only decent looking ones desu.
Charizard looks like an entirely different pokemon in both forms.

>>717887282
Idk theres more i like than outright hate. Most in indifferent towards. I think mega dragonite is fine in the sense that it wouldnt fit to make the big goofy dragons mega evolution also not goofy as fuck, but that really just means that dragonite is a retarded design to begin with.

>>717886161
I was honestly surprised by how much control over creature design Game Freak devs actually seem to have based on the big internal docs leak last year. Although the non-GF parts of TPC (so Nintendo and the purely TPC business people) seem to have the most significant amount of say over what happens with the anime. They were the ones responsible for Ash being the only protagonist for so long and him losing horribly in those season finales.

>>717890376
You wanted a fat mega Charizard? Sure, anything over this garbage.

>>717890551
Those design docs also showed that GF rejects designs that look too close to existing fan ones due to possible legal issues
So fakemon artists might be partially to blame for the lack of cool desigs

>>717885801 (OP)
Why ths fuck did they bring back Megas? The 2013 Kalosperms have grown up

>>717887282
Mega Kangskhan (or however the fuck you spell it) is the worst one here and I won't hear otherwise

>>717890956
fake out victim?

>>717890956
oyakodon tho

>>717885801 (OP)
Why did they change pokemons artstyle to be so lame?

>>717891068
>putting axew and gible's eyes in there

>>717891068
Gens 1 and 2 had to translate to tiny sprites with only 4 colors (white, black, and two color or gray tones). I believe there was an interview somewhere where someone from Game Freak indicated that they originally used triangular eyes a lot because circles were way harder to do well on the Game Boy. After that, the designs were established and couldn't be changed much, so a lot of the gen 3 pokemon were designed to blend in with that existing aesthetic but had access to 16 colors. Gen 4 was supposed to be the last and "ultimate" pokemon game, so they really just did whatever the fuck they wanted design-wise, and they added a lot of evolutions to existing pokemon that now had few limitations. For example, Rhyperior has tons more detail and colors than Rhydon (probably to its detriment). Each successive generation has kept up this trend, where concept art essentially just becomes the actual design because now there are so few limitations on the color/size/shape of a potential new pokemon.

As to why most pokemon are now bobble-heads with rounded baby doll eyes, I suspect it's just tied up with a design-by-committee effect. We saw in the leaks that devs at Game Freak all get to provide feedback on designs and essentially vote on what gets into each new game. My guess is that the round-eyed cutemons are what the fewest people reject.

>IT'S FUNNY...
>...BECAUSE IT LOOKS BAD!
game freak are terrified of sincerity so every design of the last two gens has just been made to look retarded on purpose

>>717891768
Further proves hardware limitations are important for design quality.

>>717892064
it's like how the overall soundtrack got significantly worse once they stopped being limited by soundfont
very few gen 6-on tracks are recognizable as pokemon music nowadays

mega evolutions are shaped like either an X or a Y, so they decided to make dragonite Y shaped

>>717885801 (OP)
I get neck pain looking at this image every time it's posted.

>>717890437
what the fuck are you talking about

>>717887940
>They could've given him arm/leg guards. They could've given him sharp fangs.
Why? That's retarded, that makes no sense.

>Instead, they put wings on his head which makes no sense.
Dragonair had that. Are you retarded?

>>717885801 (OP)
would there *really* have been any real problem with just going with the best design possible even if it happens to look like one of 1000 fan designs?
did they *have* to go with whatever "no one expected" even if it's completely retarded to do so?

she looks pretty based, I love how it makes tertiaries absolutely fulminate in impotant rage.

>>717885801 (OP)
>What were they thinking?

trying to turn people into soft effeminate fags, as usual. that thing just oozes fag vibes. i hate how the brutality of reality is getting covered and painted over by this kind of shit everywhere. life is visceral, brutal and ugly. thats why we hate it and play games in the first place. stop lying about reality

>>717892764
oh, dragonair flapped about with it's head wings? really? they weren't anything more than a minor accessory at most? are YOU retarded?

>>717890378
more like PLA, fucking shit game did nothing for pokemon from gen 4

>>717892064
You know everything he said was bullshit, right?

>>717885801 (OP)
Looks magical, what, did you think Dragonite would become something like Rayquaza or Charizard?
I swear you faggot secondaries need to kill yourselves post haste.

>>717885801 (OP)
>Ripping off Palworld.
KEK

>>717891768
>Gen 4 was supposed to be the last and "ultimate" pokemon game,
No, no it wasn't. None of the pokemon games have ever been the "last" one

>>717892826
>she

>>717893047
I meant more "ultimate" in the sense of design philosophy. I probably should've said "complete" instead of "last". All the design docs indicated that they wanted to pull out all the stops on the lore, designs, and gameplay mechanics to make games that would be the crown "jewels" of the franchise. That's why the designs changed so much from gen 3 to 4.

Obviously, they kept making games, but anyone can see that gens 5 and onwards have been a bit more derivative. There's very few all-new mechanics introduced each game that have changed the gameplay since gen 4. There's nothing on par with the physical/special split, abilities, held items, or anything like that. It's just been small tinkerings to make QoL changes, or adding temporary battling gimmicks since then. Fairy type was probably the biggest change, and that's adding a single new type over several generations and nothing else.

>>717893492
>That's why the designs changed so much from gen 3 to 4.
Anon, almost nothing changed from gen 3 to 4 beyond the touch screen elements. In fact other than the scale of the plot and lore it was almost a complete rehash of gen 3.

>There's nothing on par with the physical/special split, abilities, held items, or anything like that.
As much as people put the split on a pedestal it didn't change how you thought about the game in the same way abilities and held items did. In that sense it wasn't a particularly groundshaking change. I would argue team preview was more of a change than it was. Then there's things like megas and triple battles, megas adding a layer of thought to battles given a solid chunk of pokemon were still solid without their mega or in the case of charizard, had two and Triples actually had positioning as a mechanic in the sense that the far right one couldn't attack the far left.
They had more of an impact than the split in regards to interacting with the game but the problem is that Ohmori removed battle modes that had 3 mon because he wanted the trainers to be on screen with the pokemon and the 3ds couldn't handle it and while the switch could they never readded it and megas were just removed for no real reason.

But I'm getting off track, the point is that gen 4 wasn't this magnum opus pokemon game like you're claiming, it was a fairly mediocre one that didn't hold up when compared to the previous generation.

>>717892840

>>717894167
You are so horribly wrong that further discussion is obviously pointless. May God have mercy on your hopelessly retarded soul.

>>717894435
Doesn't count, anime isn't canon

>>717894167
>argue team preview was more of a change than it was
lol unovaniggers
>triple battles
HAHAHAHAHA
>megas
PFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTTHAHAHAAH
yeah pokemon past gen 4 is shit

>>717894435
That a ridemon

>>717885801 (OP)
Nigger kike slop.

>>717887343
>>717887596
The buildings in this game are still painted on like if it was still a DS game and not a home console game 15 years later.

Only zoophiles play this slop anymore. Everyone else has moved on to Palworld or Monster Hunter. I don't even like Monster hunter but it is just objectively better than Pokémon.

>>717894703
Those are literally nothing like pokemon
One is a boss rush action RPG and the other is a survival automation game, we're talking about a turn based RPG

>>717894759
Then play Fire Emblem or Darkest Dungeon or literally any other turn based RPG.

>>717894703
Are you trying to prove my point? You're chimping out for no reason retard.

>>717894703
zero self awareness.

>>717894887
>Then play Fire Emblem
Oh? Graphics aren't a problem for you suddenly?
Just another Unovafaggot that doesn't play any games.

>>717887596
>saying you think a design is lazy and looks like shit = "melting down"
Not only is the design bad, your cope about it + projection is what's really worthy of criticism here. You're being autistic.
>their vibes check doesn't pass my vibes check, and that makes them dumb!

>>717891068
lmao

>>717892840
Yes, fucking retard.

>>717895372
okay

>>717895270
Still looks 100 times better thsn Pokémon AND the gameplay is actually good and has at least some finesse.

>>717894435
>gen 7
doesn't count
the entire season was just ironic memes

>Scolipede is getting a mega but not Volcarona
>Scrafty is getting one but not Hydreigon
>only Emboar and not my nigga Serperior who has not gotten shit
PLEASE

>>717887402
How do you think the balance would be fucked if Megas didn't require a stone to work, and weren't restricted? There's already Tera as the "once per battle buff" mechanic, and Mega Rayquaza doesn't need a rock to evolve, so why not just make it available for any Mega-able Pokemon

>>717895509
>>717895473

>>717895512
>Emboar
disgusting muttnova mudslime beard pig

>>717885801 (OP)
>"We need more trash megas no one but the most autistic of children will give a shit about"
>"you got it"

>>717887282
MegaLati@s are the most unnecessary form ever. Fight me!

>>717895637
only boomers give a shit about a fat retarded Barney clone like Dragonite

>>717895582
Unova actually has really good mon designs

>>717885801 (OP)
Thinking?
The only thing they were thinking about is that people would buy it anyway.

Why Gardevoir is so beautiful? Why is she still so popular in these days?

>>717895738
kys muttnova triptranny

>>717895762
>She
Kill yourself, dumb tranny.

>>717895738
My wife on the left

>tranny!
>tranny!
holy fuck, shut the fuck up and get a new buzzword.

>>717895791
Shut up. Gard is and will always be female.

>>717885801 (OP)
>ah fuck we need to make something new to fight off palworld while our lawsuits kill them slowly
>how about finally making a zygarde game? we can make it like PLA too, see it has rolling like palworld
>nice idea, but then we'll have to go back to kalos
>ugh
>wait shit how do we make megas again
>ah fuck

>>717895903
Time to join the 41%, troon.
Gardevoir is male.

A decade later and I’m still holding out a fool’s hope for Mega Flygon

>>717895518
If mega aggron was just a new evolution for aggron with no mega stone requirement it wouldn't even be broken in the current state of the game

>>717894471
>>717894508
Consession accepted.
You know, it would have been better if you had just left the thread instead of throwing a tantrum.

>it's based to make a devilman reference
>no, not this one!

>>717896416
Salamance was always cool. Dragonite is for faggots.

>>717886172
>Dragonite just regrows traits it lost from Dragonair.
Like Super Saiyan Ampharos.
Feels like "true" final form.

>>717896358
controonssionndenied. ack yourself at the nearest opportunity

>>717892830
fucking this. the media we consume needs to fucking reflected reality

>>717896269
Yeah it would, people would run it with assault vest and body press

>>717892830
the people who consoom nintendo slop do not have the stomach for war. we do. we channers are the most battle hardened people on the internet.

>>717897673
lmao he's enraged already

How comes every nintendo shit that comes out recently is so bad? These are 4chan's most hated games of the past years.

>>717897789
Not even Pokemon fans like nu-pokemon

>>717897789
You forget E33 for 2025 kekkerz

we getting megastarmie or nah

>>717886161
>>717885893
TPC is made up of GameFreak, Creatures Inc, and Nintendo and manages Pokémon as a whole brand.
TPC is a distinct entity from any of its 3 parent companies.
You can blame GF for shoddy coding and retarded design, Creatures for the shitty 3D models and animation, and Nintendo for not regulating quality control, but at the end of the day it is TPC that is responsible for letting Pokémon degenerate to this extent. The bottom line for TPC is that Pokémon will sell regardless of the time and money they put into it, so it doesn't make any fiscal sense to actually try to make something good instead of just pumping out regular content.

>>717898226
>so it doesn't make any fiscal sense to actually try to make something good instead of just pumping out regular content.
I've never really understood this argument in and of itself
It makes sense in the context of a CEO trying to dump everything good about the business during their tenure to get the biggest golden parachute possible, but for a business entity in and of itself, wouldn't it make more sense to curry long-term favour by continuously improving upon their product?
I know pokemon isn't going anywhere soon, but I also know that if it keeps being shit, eventually even the most diehard tendie will be socially affected by others' complaining, get tired and look elsewhere. Surely TPC should prefer to curtail such an eventuality

>>717897859
lmao do you have more retarded nonsense to bark, bufoon?

>>717898226
>company that owns company isn't responsible
The mental gymnastics of tendo-gf fans

>>717887282
>ultra necrozma
>mega evolution
Thats a stretch. It doesnt get the full +100 BST upgrade like all the others

>>717898390
>by continuously improving upon their product?
Not when it doesn't make any real impact on sales.

>>717898475
It's 3-way co-ownership, brainlet. And like I said, it is a separate entity that doesn't answer to any one of those 3 companies.

>>717898226
>but at the end of the day it is TPC that is responsible for letting Pokémon degenerate to this extent.
Not really, it's all on gamefreak since that's the only part of the brand that's falling in quality despite still being leagues better and more ambitious than other monster tamers.
TPC has actually been on point when it comes to managing the brand and giving people what they want with regular tcg releases, finally changing the anime, merch for almost every pokemon and so on.
It's literally only GF.

>>717898390
>wouldn't it make more sense to curry long-term favour by continuously improving upon their product?
That's the kind of mentality that led us to "LINE MUST GO UP!" AAA gaming trash. Not to mention there's no real reason to improve when your completion is either entirely reliant on your ideas or is just so hopelessly inept at providing quality products.

>>717899202
Creatures manages the TCG.

>>717899347
No they don't. They made the game ie mechanics, card designs etc but everything else is tpc.

>>717899464
I mean, what specifically impresses you about the TCG? Just the release schedule? The quality of cardstock/prints? Because otherwise you're talking about Creatures.

>>717899347
TPC manages it though, creatures just makes the designs.
Mass printing
QA
Translations
Release schedule
That's all TPC. That's why they were made, to manage the brand.

when are we gonna get to a generation where the gimmick is fusing pokemon together to create abominations?

>>717899651
>Because otherwise you're talking about Creatures.
The only thing you can attribute to creatures is the designs and game mechanics, that's it and the latter hasn't had a significant change since it began.

>>717885801 (OP)
Something something dratini and dragonair don't look like dragonite

>>717899969
Pokemon fusions already shows why that's a bad idea.

>>717899202
>spoiler
This is the reason I have a hard time taking Pokemon criticism seriously, there isn’t some much better creature series people can point to as “doing it right” that has the same design goals it’s just people gesticulating angrily about things they think they want. I guess people can want what they want but at the same time people should recognize there’s probably a reason it’s not done

>>717886161
>>717898226
>>717899092
>>717899202
>>717899464
t.retarded brainlet
Next you will tell us visa/mastercard are separate from jews

>>717900430
What gets me the most is when peoole complain about the cuts. Like, yeah it's sad that it happened but pokemon is literally the only long running series that didn't make cuts with every game for over 20 years and even then they regularly have the highest monster counts without including recolored forms where a game like Digimon would count them as different mon.

It's obvious that a lot of the peoole who complain about pokemon have only ever played pokemon.

>>717899202
The TCG has been a shitshow ever since the scalpers were allowed to exist.

>>717885801 (OP)
>fuck someone made palworld
>shit uhhh pump out more kanto bullshit
literally that was the only braincell at work kanto panda-ism for trying to make more merch.

>>717890956
no, the worst one is the fighting mewtwo

>>717900816
Pokemon is one of the few series that hasn't been hit as hard by TCG scalpers given they often print cards in multiple rarities. In other words, something that has a full art usually has a normal card too.

>>717901271
Trying to get new sets is impossible because a couple of people will buy out the entire stock right as it's put on the shelves.

>>717885801 (OP)
>moneymoneymoneymoney

>>717901317
If you're looking for specific cards why on earth would you buy a set? Just buy singles like a normal person.

>>717887319
This is Mega Dragonite Y.

>>717901713
If it was more cost efficient to buy singles scalping booster packs wouldn’t exist would it?

"You complained we removed the head wings for 30 years, so here... here are some fucking head wings happy now faggots?"

>>717903410
You do know we're talking about pokemon, right?
Take what was said about the multiple rarities earlier and put that together with the concept of singles and you have a TCG that's extremely cost effective to get into when buying singles.

>gay freak does something cringe
>IT'S DA GEN WONNERS FAULT

>>717900631
DK

>>717885801 (OP)
The forced outrage over this is so gay. Dragonite never looked cool in the first place

>>717895762
>>717895903
>Gardevoir
Excuse me, his name is SIR Knight.
Official translation.

>>717885801 (OP)
I feel like the biggest consumer of Pokémon media and products are girls and cringe couples who end up buying more merch like plushies and phone charms and food promos
So they design for that

>>717885801 (OP)
Isn't there a pokemon thats a literal icecream cone?

>>717905545
You'd be absolutely wrong.

>>717905714
No.

>>717885801 (OP)
Why wasent it blue

>>717885801 (OP)
Modern Pokefags are subhuman so they did not need to.