Thread 717888687

At what point does realism kill fun?

>>717888687 (OP)
When it isnt going far enough.

When you also die IRL. I'm a casual, miss me with that sweaty shit.

Why do all of these super realistic games run on ancient engines that don't support modern resolutions?

>>717888751
this. real life is inherently fun and full of novelty.

>>717888810
The era of the simulator.
Before it was "look how pretty we can make it!" it was "look how detailed the simulation is!".

>>717888687 (OP)
men of war, graviteam.
THERE'S A FAGGOT SHOOTING AT YOU, FUCKING SHOOT HIM.

>>717888687 (OP)
Never. People who want what you consider too much realism have fun with it. Play what you want to play

>>717888887
Then what's the point of video games???

Tanks?

>>717888687 (OP)
When reality is borning, you chowderhead.

>>717888950
>Before it was "look how pretty we can make it!" it was "look how detailed the simulation is!".
an era we should have never ended

>>717889297
Not technically a tank miho.

>>717888887
It really is, the simple joys of fucking around on an old car, standing uncomfortable close to the metro drivers cabin so you can kinda see what he's doing, trying to fix or atleast learn how a random electric appliance work or just renovating a flat, are all fun things with piss poor simulator games.

>>717889280
real life is notoriously expensive

>>717889358
b-but it has tracks, and a big gun..

>>717889325
>an era we should have never ended
Yeah, it was pretty cool.

>>717889297
No but this would have been a super weapon in WW2.

Every simulator series eventually degraded into codslop or trying desperately to please an increasingly autistic rivet counter fanbase, while being undermined by fifth column devs that only want to make their most favorite things viable.

Frankly the cod route seems less degrading.

>>717889463
At least car ones are decent if you care enough to invest into hardware

>>717888687 (OP)
I like combat mission. One time my soldiers got ambushed and I spent the next 30 mins trying to save them by creating a defensive perimeter and having the medics carry the injured. We got so bogged down that I couldn't hope to win the map anymore but I had fun just playing my own little black hawk down scenario.

>>717889297
Yeah, tanks. You wouldn't know much about them considering Japan had the absolute worst tanks during WWII.

>lightweight design
>weak guns
>thin armor

God, just look at this pile of shit.

>>717889767
>Fuck the objective I wanna save my men
Soul

>>717889560
That made me wonder. What modern weapon would smurf and single handedly win the war in WW2?
Bonus points if it's something totally unexpected, like a shovel or something.

>>717888687 (OP)
When it's not fun. What kinda stupid question is that, OP?
You put realism into a game either when you want immersion, or because it helps make the gameplay more compelling.
Battle Brothers not having any women in your mercenary band because it's a low fantasy game is the kind of realism that helps immersion. Same for only being able to hire niggers in southern areas of the continent, meds in temperate areas, and nordoids in northern areas.
Meanwhile, being able to break a wooden shield by taking an axe swing to it and thus heavily debilitate the enemy's shield wall is the kind of realism that helps gameplay. All examples of good realism.
Meanwhile Cataclysm having vitamin deficiency is the kind of realism an autistic tranny thinks up because it's realistic. It's not something a player will think about in the context of his ingame journey, therefore no immersion benefit, and it's not something that severely changes gameplay for the better, therefore no gameplay benefit. Bad realism.

>>717889767
Combat mission is a splendid game if the engine wasn't so janky.
>>717889948
kinda a redundant question.
None of them would be able to recreate/resupply modern weapon systems.
A Final Countdown/Zippang scenario will not end well because lack of resupplies and spare parts.
The best you could hope to achieve is maybe accelerate the nuclear program.

>>717888687 (OP)
When it comes to tanks, trains and planes it does a 360 because some artists are going to love how boring it is

>>717889856
I think they're cute!

>>717889551
30mm isn't big you stupid bitch
unless you are into shotas, then you're still a bitch

>>717889948
not a weapon but modern shelf stables MRE's would have changed the eastern front in insane ways.

>>717890084
>He doesn't care what he eats
Are you fat?

>>717888687 (OP)
'realism' has never been meaningfully attempted in any game other than maybe microsoft flight sim. and in games like that the whole point is simulating reality and that drives 100% of the engagement of the game.

>>717889767

I originally played combat mission on a pc magazine demo disc, it had 2 maps that I played to death. The maps were so big you could approach the objective markers from different angles, hold the town, push into the forest. It impressed me that the troops could get routed if their morale was low. I couldn't just send them to their death like age of empire or starcraft.

>>717888687 (OP)
When you make players respawn 5 minutes back from the action

>>717890379
How many miho pictures do you have in your drive

>>717890453
Whatsit tooya

>>717888687 (OP)
if the appeal of the game is simplicity or action, then the bar of fun death is much lower than if the appeal is resource management and decision making.

>>717890542
A measure of dedication

>>717889948
a smartphone loaded with shittons of engineering books

>>717890275
Yes, and when the judgement day comes - me and the lads will literally roll over you scrawny bitches.
>Inb4 MY GUNZ WI-
You'll run out of bullets fighting off the negroes and the mexicans and I can tell you're not smart enough to hand-load your own.

>>717890247
This, great grandfather was on the western front with an MG42 team late war and even there they were eating mostly bread and whatever they could get.
He had more complaints about the constipation than the shrapnel he got in his back.

>>717890942
Why didn't they just eat the enemy soldiers they killed?

>>717888687 (OP)
Good realism is contextual.
It needs to tie into the actual gameplay loop well or it just hinders the experience, which depends entirely on the type of game.
>high detailed combat sim
More detail the better, sure you eventually hit a limit of how much one player can actually manage, but the realism adds weight to the gameplay and enhances the immersion.
>fast paced FPS in a historical context
Looks are everything, it should be something you could watch and go "yeah that all looks like [SETTING X]", while incorporating elements of realism that work within the formula the game's trying to work within.
Think things like the banzai charges in WaW, reload animations, weapon sounds, etc.

>>717889948
modern batteries

>>717891240
The ammo bearer got to them before he could and could carry a lot more.
Also they lost so they didn't have a chance to kill many of them.

>>717889856
nip tanks are only shit because they were a decade out of date in the pacific campaign
back in the20's and 30's nip tanks were pretty decent, arguably better than british and american ones
france mogged all of them though, iirc even in the thick of the eastern front some tank commanders said fighting t34's and kv1's didn't feel as insurmountable as fighting french b1's

>>717889325
It's only going to get worse with the era of UE5 slop

>>717888687 (OP)
what game?

>>717892223
combat mission afghanistan.
basically you control soviet troops against the afghans.
artistically realistic and niche but janky because shitty engine

it can be fun to do unconventional stuff in realistic games

>>717889551
It's an IFV. technically it is a tank I'm pretty sure. it's not an MBT obviously but that doesnt make it not-tank.

>>717889948
Recon drones, aerial recon at the time was really limited, it would be God mode for the side that had them essentially, you'd see concentration of forces many miles away, you'd spot camouflaged position, correct indirect fire and a ww2 army can't effectively counter them because they wouldn't be able to see or detect them.

>>717890247
yeah I probably limited the question too much with the word "weapon" but I did count a shovel as one

>>717891331
yeah but what would you hook it up to?

>>717889948
One modern naval destroyer could probably have won the entire naval war on its own by sheer virtue of having 32+ anti-ship missiles with no CIWS to counter them.

>>717891989
>nip tanks were pretty decent, arguably better than british and american ones
bait

>>717889948
One B2 spirit with a bunker buster

>>717888687 (OP)
Combat Mission PvP is one of the best times I've ever had.
>>717890846
This happens all the fucking time in SF2 with new players.
>top of the line Abrams/Challenger/Leopard 500+ point tank
>drives it in front of a shitty rustbucket BMP2 or Shilka
>BBBRRRAAAAAAAPPPP
>optics fucked, gun fucked, tracks fucked

>>717895194
People don't know that tanks are actually RPG tanks

>>717895194 #
People don't know that tanks aren't actually RPG tanks.

>>717894479
how many brave kamikaze pilots can it withstand?

>>717895749
Modern AA would rip apart any WW2 aircraft easily. Wouldn't even need to use the missiles, the normal cannon with airburst would do fine.

However that anon is wrong because no matter how advanced, eventually it would run out of ammo before it could decide the war alone. It would absolutely do a lot of damage though.

>>717895884
Thirty-two anti-ship missiles is more than Japan and Germany combined had capital ships.

>>717895884
>Modern AA would rip apart any WW2 aircraft easily. Wouldn't even need to use the missiles, the normal cannon with airburst would do fine.
Just don't let the Japanese know that the maximum elevation of a Mark 45 on a Burke is 65 degrees. Don't think they have airburst rounds in operational use though.

>>717896391
A single ASM would not sink or even fully disable a WW2 capital ship, barring a lucky hit.

>>717895884
It has modern radar that will win pacific war in 1942, no weapons required

>>717896391
I'm sure Harpoons would rape aircraft carriers. Against battleships? Probably wouldn't do jack shit if they hit the armored belt.

>>717889297
Obsolete pieces of shit now. Drone warfare is just completely wrecking tanks now and making them unviable

>>717896485
A single modern anti-ship missile more than suffices to sink any ship ever built. Moskva, HMS Sheffield, and that one ship I can't remember the name of that was sank by the American navy near those off-shore oil rigs were all considered lost after the first hit. Any additional hits just accelerated the sinking process.
>>717896559
Armor is no match for modern anti-ship missiles.

>>717891989
They were also designed for light infantry support against primarily other light infantry in wooded and jungle terrain.

>>717889297
MTLB has 14mm of steel max. It can be penned by a machinegun.

>>717896658
Tanks were still being used after far more lethal stuff like ATGMs were introduced to the battlefield. Drones won't obsolete them.

>>717896658
It's pretty funny that in the end the Soviet doctrine of mass tanks with as little crew as possible turned out a better fit in 2020s wars. if your tank is going to get swarmed with drones anyway it may as well be a cheap shitcan you can replace easily.

That said I'm sure cheap APS will become available and will severely reduce the effectiveness of drones. Though at those speeds I imagine quite a few soldiers will get their heads blown off by the nearby tank's APS after being misidentified before they get it right.

>>717896658
>counters your drone
What now?

>>717896727
Don't ask AI. Most anti-ship missiles are not designed to penetrate WW2 battleship armor because no one is sailing around with armor that thick anymore.

Retvrn to Stug, assault guns are the future

>>717897014
>only thing that can kill/disable it is a mine
>just sidetech to minesweepers and it becomes invulnerable

>>717897069
Moskva had 180mm of armor belt. Modern anti-ship missiles have upwards of 500mm of RHA penetration. No ship has ever been built capable of withstanding a modern anti-ship missile, which is why CIWS (and defeating it) is such a huge deal.

>>717897210
>Moskva had 180mm of armor belt
Armor in the range of WW2 heavy cruisers and battlecruisers? Sure.

>>717897069
>>717897210
>>717897806
The penetration doesn't matter, modern ASMs have between 200kg and 1000kg of modern high explosive. Yeah penetration might be 500 RHA, but that would mean it can't defeat an Abrams' armor which has easily 1300mm+ RHA in many places.

Do you think because of that an Abrams could survive 250kg-1000kg of explosives? No, it would be shredded to bits.

>>717888687 (OP)
This game would unironically be fun and peak realism strategy if

1.It didn’t run on an ancient dog shit engine with 10 FPS

2.It had a better UI

>>717896950
> It's pretty funny that in the end the Soviet doctrine of mass tanks with as little crew as possible turned out a better fit in 2020s wars
But it didn’t, 2020s exposed Soviet doctrine as retarded mass human sacrifice

>>717898407
>losing 150-400% of shit in service in that category
Anon please don't shit up the thread with your retarded propaganda bullshit, go to /pol/ for that. It was already teetering on the edge.

>>717898523
Which category has more than 100% losses?

>>717898407
>Soviet doctrine
>2020s
Soviet doctrine is not trench warfare, retard.

>>717898407
>exposed

>>717898407
>>717898646
>Oryx
Isn't that the guy who got so butthurt over the failed counteroffensive and graveyards of NATO equipment that he quit so he wouldn't have to count them?

>>717898407
Humans are cheap. Especially the russian subtype.

>>717898665
Soviet doctrine failed, sharted, farted and died, forcing trench warfare to return

>>717889297
Ah, tanks...
The niggers of the battlefield.

>>717896658
translation: drone tanks soon. imagine how cute they will be.

>>717888687 (OP)
When it sacrifices fun for tedium

>>717898705
No, he’s the guy who made Russians so butthurt they constantly have to make shit about him to dismiss photographic evidence of their incompetence

>>717888687 (OP)
When the shooting games enter first person territory.

>>717898705
He's also the guy who curbstomped every pro-Russian cope narrative with a spreadsheet and a pair of eyes. The moment the numbers stopped painting a pretty picture, you all magically lost faith in open-source intel. Convenient, huh?

>>717896658
>MUH DRONES MUH DRONE
You'll never be a drone pilot and
Electronic warfare advancement will make them obsolete in only a few years

Once you have AI directed laser turrets to deal with the flying faggot buzzbombs you won't see a fucking drone running recon, we're only a few years away too, only thing that's needed is better power supply/diffusion

>>717903107
>put a thin ceramic shield in front of the drone
>laser rendered useless
Better off having small EFPs or bullets.

>>717903160
Not how that works you dumbfuck normie idiot
I knew there was gonna be that one guy who was "NUH UH MUH MIRRORS MUH CERAMICS BRO" You're a fucking retard

>>717903252
You are a low IQ idiot who doesn't understand how a laser weapon (doesn't) work, your knowledge comes from Hollywood movies. I bet you think lasers would be used as weapons in space, too.

>>717890084
>When it's not fun
this

>>717897014
>drone just drops a bomb on it
>drone has a shaped charge/penetrator
What now is you have a lot of debris and a slagged heap of metal.