Thread 717889165

The biggest flaw in The Legend of Zelda Majora's Mask is _____

>>717889165 (OP)
Op making this thread.

>>717889165 (OP)
the last temple is a pain in the ass

Reused assets.
Hardware limitations.
Development limitations.

bombs/arrows resetting to zero when you play reset the cycle

>>717889165 (OP)
The biggest flaws are the things that make it a "Zelda game." Majora's Mask is held back by the Zelda IP; it should have taken place in an entirely new universe. New characters and a new setting, perhaps realistic and modern instead of the fantasy setting. You already don't have Zelda, Ganon, Hyrule, or the Triforce. Get rid of Link too. Keep the curse, the rituals, the moon, the doomsday clock, and the power to go back in time. Keep the sidequests and the chance to interact with everyone in the world to observe how they handle the loss of everything. But get rid of the childishness, the temples and boss fights, everything that makes it just a stupid Nintendo game.

>>717889165 (OP)
The biggest flaw in The Legend of Zelda Majora's Mask is the limited utility of masks outside of a select few that can be viewed as general purpose, and an adherence to "the Zelda formula" of roadblocking all progress behind the acquisition of a certain weapon or item, as it was a missed opportunity to offer the player a more free-form experience. In other words, maybe the game would be more interesting if it allowed players to approach any one of the four regions from the start, rather than forcing the acquisition of certain weapons (e.g. the bow), and thus funneling the player through a specific path of progression. If more of an emphasis were placed on the region's transformation as a means by which the player would explore the corresponding region, the game would've been stronger for it. Despite this, it's still a beloved, atmospheric, and memorable game and if you don't agree you should just troon out already you fucking faggot.

>>717889310
Yeah, it makes no sense that you keep your items/masks and money, arrows bombs etc are gone.

>>717889165 (OP)
Reseting every 3 days. Don't @ me

>>717889165 (OP)
The fucking tower. Climbing that piece of shit is so slow and annoying.

>>717889165 (OP)
Mid dungeons

>>717889226
fpbp

>>717889165 (OP)
lack of Romani nude scenes.

That I don't like it. I understand everything about Zelda and adventure games better than everyone else, so if I don't like it theres a problem.

>>717890168
The problem is you are a homo

>>717889165 (OP)
Everything. What a terrible game.

>>717889885
Did you play it as a kid? I feel like people who played MM as a kid were more tolerant of the 3 day cycle because as a kid you have more time to play games and you're not thinking about adult stuff like having existential crises about work and starting a family and all that stuff. Me personally as a kid I didn't like the 3 day cycle, but in fairness, I never owned the game, my only experience with it was watching some friends play it once, and renting it from blockbuster for a week. If I had owned the game I might have forced myself to like it and I probably would have liked it more since I would have had time. I played it recently and completed it albeit with the help of a guide, mainly because I just wanted to know the story. Sorry for the blogpost.

the lack of a meat and bones structure. If you dont care about all the sidequests, you probably wont get much out of the game

I know I didnt

>>717889527
>this game would be great if they changed everything about it
Typical tripfag retardation I suppose, another one for the filter.
Kill yourself.

>>717889287
>reused assets
Modern games refusing to do this is why we AAA IPs only shit games out once a decade at this point. Reuse more assets/code/engines, dear fuckin god.

>>717889287
these are actually the best parts of the game though

I was just playing MM3D earlier and was doing both the Anju and Romani quests. I straight up forgot about meeting with Cremia at 6pm cause I was too busy just running around waiting for Kafei to show up in his attic

>>717889287
i would argue the assets borrowed from oot are used better in majora's mask than the game they were made for

>>717889885
I will never understand low IQ niggers who are bothered by the time limit. What you're really bothered by is the fail state. You're told you can lose. But who fucking cares? You can just start again at very little penalty. In the remake you have near complete control over when you are with the song of double time. No money? Just get the silvers in the town. No bombs and arrows? Just go outside and hit the nearest grass it has fucking thirty of them in it. The main quest is also surprisingly lenient and linear. I was a total dipshit and fucked around a lot and I still managed to get dungeons with stray fairies done in like one day, the time limit is a complete non-essence.
It's even worse in Final Fantasy Lightning Returns where eventually you gain the ability to just effectively stop the timer but people still whine. Losers.

>>717889165 (OP)
No sex scenes

>>717892552
I would argue the cutscene with Pamelas father was a sex scene.

>>717889165 (OP)
This game has no substantial flaws. And all subsequent zelda games are worse for not giving the npcs the same amount of love and personality as this game did.

>>717889165 (OP)
Balls

too easy and made for babies

>>717892841
>love and personality
perfectly sums up why I never played another zelda game after MM. They just don't have the love in them.

>>717889165 (OP)
the dungeons

>>717892995
can't really agree with this on account of various people saying how it filtered them because of the time limit. Majora's mask is really fucking good, but there exist a lot of people in the camp of disliking it because of its gimmick. If anything it's the most challenging of the 3D zelda's, up until you crack the 3 day system.

>>717889165 (OP)
No fishing.

>>717893514
You can in the remake

>>717889165 (OP)
The king of Ikana boss.
I think it is the worst designed boss and nobody ever talks about it, and when I bring it up, people just say "LOL U SUCK" and have zero response to my criticisms.

It took me like 8 attempts to kill this boss. He has an attack where his head floats around for an annoyingly long time, then homes in on you and bits you for an annoyingly long time, and if you don't have a lot of health, it becomes a war of HP attrition. There is no way I can see of dodging it, and I don't know how I got so unlucky, but he would IMMEDIATELY use the attack again, 3 times in a row, with nothing but invincibility frames the whole time

>>717889165 (OP)
the graphics

>>717889287
These are all good things, retard.

>>717889165 (OP)
NlGGERS

>>717893771
BTW, I am currently watching various people on youtube fight the boss, and not one has dodged the floating head attack. I have never seen it be done. I literally played for hours and never dodged it. I don't believe it's possible and I tried just about everything. I rolled at every point of the animation, I tranformed into all 3 forms, I used shields, just about everything

>>717889165 (OP)
the 3ds port

>>717893585
What? Why do people claim it's worse than the original? Are they crazy?

>>717893931
It is worse in some aspects, there's whole lists of shit they fucked up like the physics of the deku hop are wrong, the swimming is fucked up, bombers annoy you with hints even when you're in cutscenes, bosses are changed to have traditional Zelda-esque weak points and so on, but the QoL improvements are really good and so some insane guy made a patch that fixes most of the bad shit that you can use with emulators or custom firmware

>>717889527
>>717889287
How are you both so fucking retarded

>>717894102
You should explain your reasons if you disagree.

>>717893919
Still watching youtube videos, still haven't seen a single person dodge the floating head.

The people who tell me I'm shit, haven't had the boss use that attack 3 times in a row with I frames the whole time.

>>717889287
>Reused assets
I feel like it works in this case though, it increases the uncanniness of everything feeling quite not right and being a parallel world of sorts. Makes much more sense than other games that are supposed to take place in Hyrule. Why is Malon in Minish Cap and Oracle of seasons for example?

>>717889165 (OP)
It set unrealistic expectations the franchise Nintendo never again delivered on but Capcom did

>>717893295
Stone Tower Temple alone mogs most Zelda dungeons. The mirror puzzles, flipping the whole damn place upside down, the eerie music, and having to use all your transformations back to back-it’s peak dungeon design. You actually feel like you’re solving something instead of just running down corridors hitting switches.

>>717889165 (OP)
the retreading for casual first time players, which is the most important playthrough

>>717895387
It is a great dungeon, but we can't say the same about the rest

>>717889165 (OP)
no sex

>>717889165 (OP)
great bay temple

>>717889165 (OP)
the Nintendo 64.

>>717893771
I beat the game with 3 hearts challenge and I don't recall the game having any hard boss at all.

>>717889165 (OP)
You couldn't fine control the time, so you had to wait for events to occur. Which meant a lot of time is spent just standing near the next objective, looking at the clock.

I understand not wanting to give the player a rewind ability, because if you can just rewind any time you want, then you end up with people abusing the mechanic like save states. Part of the "challenge", is tracking the routes of characters and showing up on time. However, they really needed to give the player the ability to fast forward in smaller intervals. Like hours or minutes.

>>717889165 (OP)
having shitty combat like OoT

>>717895669
Damn that's crazy bro

>>717895669
surely you know you can sleep right

>>717894531
>>717893919
>>717893771
can you not just stand in the light or am I forgetti

>>717895598
Yeah, I've heard people say the boss is easy. I guess you got lucky. When the boss uses that floating head attack three times in a row, that is undodgeable and makes him completely invincible, skill/easy/hard don't factor into the equation at all.

I wish I had a normal fight against him where he'd only use the attack like twice the whole fight, and I beat him without the fight leaving any memorable influence on me. But instead he'd use it like 8 times the whole fight, and every time he'd use it it'd take away a heart. If I bothered going to bottle some fairies it probably wouldn't have even been a problem, but it's still bad game design.

Haunted Cartridge arc, Moon Children arc, or Awakening arc?

>>717895789
No, I stood in the light, tried to hit the head with reflected light among other solutions.

Spinning as deku scrub, running away with rabbit ears, rolling away with goron, etc.

>>717895776
Not useful enough. She can only help you skip a couple of hours, or half a day. And you have to go out of your way to see her, which is tedious at best, and not an option at worst. As leaving your current destination to see her, and then returning to said location either takes too much time, or too little time to be worth the effort.

>>717895905
also bow/bubbles/boomerang?

>>717895958
I disagree, I used her all the time, and you can control how long you want to sleep simply sleeping again
Event is in 5 hours? Sleep for 2 hours twice and then go there

>>717893295
Correct
>>717895387
I dunno man. Stone tower is probably the best dungeon in MM, the music is fantastic, and the eerie feel is great like you said, but the statue puzzles are all so annoying with the forced cutscene each time. Using every mask + the bow + ocarina + whatever else means there's a lot of menuing too.
Plus, every Majora's mask dungeon has the problem of having a bow or arrow as the item, which feels pretty lame and predictable. Majora's mask is unironically my favorite of all time but the dungeons are probably the weakest part for me.

>>717889165 (OP)
all the minigames and sections with repeated fetch quests and tedious tasks, i dropped the game when i had to go back and forth fetching zora eggs

>>717889165 (OP)
>The biggest flaw in The Legend of Zelda Majora's Mask is
Being too scary for me as a kid. I had to have my brothers get the romani mask for me because the aliens were too spoopy for me as a kid. Watching them abduct romani and how her entire cheerful personality changed afterwards was some fucked shit

>>717890848
I find the 3-day reset much easier as an adult because it's pretty easy to finish an entire zone in one cycle, especially with time slowed. As a kid, I had trouble beating even the swamp dungeon before time ran out, and they all took me several tries. I also never got all the masks, but as an adult I can look everything up online easily and 100% the game without issue.

>>717889165 (OP)
Not having any good use for the Gormans mask.MM3d may have kind of fixed that, but it fucked up other things too.
The Mask of Scents is kinda wasted too.

>>717899012
>as an adult I can look everything up online easily and 100% the game without issue.
>he didnt have the guide book growing up
cringe

>>717889165 (OP)
The saving system.
A gameplay session is a little too committal, you either have to reset the cycle to perform a permanent save, or use the owl statue to do a temporary quick-save.

Whilst you can save anywhere, you'll lose progress on any specific objective such as if you were scaling the stone tower, Kafei's quests, etc.
To do a quick save, you still have to abandon what you were doing and go track down an owl statue, if you can at least use the song of soaring to get there.

Software needs to meet the player's needs and schedule, not the other way around. The 3DS version understood this and saving was modernised, and outside of that there was sleep mode.

>>717899352
>he doesn't have three hours to play through one cycle
leave this place filthy casual

>>717889165 (OP)
It's unstable. I had the game crash on me on both emulator and real hardware and given the save system it is unacceptable.

>>717889165 (OP)
I couldn't resolve everyone's problems in 3 days no matter how much I tried

>>717889165 (OP)
nothing
it's a perfect game.

>>717889287
>Reused assets.
you listed pluses

>>717890848
this makes no sense, the game itself doesn't reset, you keep your progression. The 3 days reset is a mechanic to make the world both dynamic and predictable.

>>717897978
at first I thought she was depressed because she couldn't save the cows but later i realized it's because she got anal probed lmao

>>717899352
>pause game
>leave console on
>turn off tv
>continue next day
I had a bootleg'd Sonic 3 that wouldn't save so that's what I did throughout the weekend back in the day, get on my level zoomie