Thread 717901448

I think people are being too harsh

mafia is like if they took red dead and removed all the good parts of it and just left the on-rails shit where you ride around on a horse while people talk

one of the worst games i've ever played

both are shit

>>717901448 (OP)
Imagine actually running an account like that. How fucking empty must your life be?

but i thought /v/ hates this

>>717901651
>having a passion for something is empty now

>>717901448 (OP)
What the fuck does red dead redemption even mean? Which dead red thing is getting a redemption and why?

>>717901670
God I love this game

>>717901651
Anon... I think the point is to earn money from clickbait views. They are doing it for the money.

>>717901651
this is how /v/ has been for years now

welcome to the modern internet bud, buckle up.

>>717901531
>and just left the on-rails shit where you ride around on a horse while people talk
so the gameplay

>>717901670
Bit of a difference when Rockstar have near enough infinite time, cash and resources per game. They can afford to take their time.

>>717901670
And how does any of that make the game more fun to play?

>>717901848
oh look it's that fagot again, i knew you'd be here that's why i posted it lmao

>>717901670
This is cool.
The story, writing, and gameplay aren't.
Simple as.

>>717902009
too bad 75 million+ people won't care about this post..but the 10 chuds here who agree with you will so you've got that going

>>717901909
Shut up, you gay faggot. You can’t answer the question because it doesn’t. They can make a western walking simulator, okay, but don’t you dare call it a good game with that dogshit gameplay.

>>717901448 (OP)
>Chase hyper realism
>get plapped by 15 years old game that also chased the same art style
The problem is obvious, hyper realism is soulless

>>717901531
And you needed to play it to know that's what the game's like?

>>717902052
*punches you hard in the face so you fall down* you like being in the dirt eh... maybe you like thiiiis? *unzips my pants and takes a piss on u*

>>717902069
lmfao

>>717901848
makes the world seem more alive when npcs have routines that change during the day

>>717901670
This was all scripted BTW, it's not systemic.

>>717901670
Majora's Mask did it better

>>717902052
Too bad I don't care about your post.
Slop can have soul in it, but the inclusion of soul doesn't make something sovlfvl on its own. Simple as.

>>717901531
Red dead has good parts?

>>717902218
Your gay lol. Simple as

>>717902116
>the least unhinged rdr2 critic

>>717902260
Just admit you got owned hard kek (by me)

>>717901448 (OP)
Why do the buildings in RDR look 100+ years old abandoned buildings?

>>717902143
Which has nothing to do with me controlling the game and interacting with its shooting mechanics, etc.

>>717902052
>le million flies can't be le wrong

>>717901448 (OP)
One would think Mafia was more polished since it's linear but nope. The devs simple do not give a flying fuck what they're making and are only in it for the salary.
At least someone at Rockstar cares enough to add some attention to detail.

>>717902425
we ain't, cope

>>717902428
More like there aren't enough devs paid enough to care about all this bullshit. Perfect is the enemy of good.

>>717901448 (OP)
Normies pretending to be soul noticers when they buy every shitty remake around. What a sad sight.

>>717901694
Red = name of the player character in the first's game
Dead = deadeye mechanic introduce in the
Redemption = what the story is going to be. The first game was called Red Dead Revolver and it was a about a dude named Red shooting people with revolvers.
That's what most people believe. But personally I think original developer, Capcom, just wanted a cool catchy name so they call it Red Dead Revolver. Like They made Devil May Cry and Resident Evil.l Wtf do they even mean?

>>717902409
yes it has, just because you're not actively shooting at things doesn't mean it has no purpose
it's part of the open world and makes it more immersive and not like it revolves around the player, if you want a more straighforward game with no open world and only shooting then you should play the original red dead

>>717902052
They got memed. Even south park boomers were joking about "snow level" at the beginning of the game. Those games are barely games anyway.

>>717902465
>BZZZ BZZZ
*slaps*

>>717902484
More like they hired the wrong devs.

>>717901448 (OP)
>>717901670
Hell yeah brother this what GAMING is about.

fucking grim

>>717902260
Holy shit, that other anon owned you. Hard.
And pissed on you, piss boy.

>>717902825
How are the wood chopping animations though? That's the important part.

>>717902825
It makes sense. The MC is not a criminal this time around he's a part of community.

>>717902825
kek can't even be bothered to program or animate it. I swear the average developer now barely has any talent. It's like we had our golden age back around 1990-2005ish and then corporations just churn shit out instead of actual passion projects.

>>717901694
red= player character of the first game
dead = deadeye mechanic
redemption = the story
Rockstar brought the rights from Capcom, who were autistic with names with titles like Devil May Cry and Resident Evil.

>2025 linear game somehow less polished than a 2010 open world game
That's the power of jeets and UE5 for you

How many years did RDR1 take to make again? With less on their rendering budget requirements to boot.

>>717901694
it means you're in for some sovlfull kino

>>717901694
What the fuck does Red Dead Revolver mean?

>>717902954
Rockstar had inifinite budget while Hangar 13 had less budget than a fucking one of borderlands 4 dlc.

>>717902991
Why did they fuck up the Online? I wanted to own a ranch and breed my cattle, take them on cattle runs and then come home and ERP fucking my wife

>>717901670
Okay, but if you followed him through two cycles of that, would there be two planks left upstairs, or would the first disappear some time in between?

>>717902584
Shazam lost.

>>717901670
None of this shit matters. I'm not saying this to defend Mafia's lack of attention to detail, this kind of shit is nice. but it's just flavor and doesn't warrant so much ass licking, while you fail the mission if you stray a couple of steps away from the intended path or saddle the wrong horse. what I'm trying to say is that Rockstar games are also absolute dogshit and it's weird that it has so much detail while the core gameplay is triple A shallow normalfag slop

>muh infinite budget
I think some level of skill is also required if i'm being honest. Doesn't EA also have infinite budget? What's the last good EA game

Roblox

>>717902648
RDR1 has approximately 1000 people making it
I couldn't find recent numbers how many people Hangar 13 employs other than they've had a couple of layoffs years ago(after which the main studio of four had less than 40 people), but I doubt it's more than a few hundreds. Also the dev time is way shorter, 3 years as opposed to RDR1's 5. When you have half the resources, you have to spend them smartly. Frankly, seeing that this ended up being a 7/10 game, they probably should have cut more and polish the rest more.

>>717903075
When your entire "game" is walking through highly detailed set pieces, people are definitely right to criticize the lack of attention to said detail.

>>717903092
quote me or I'm not even gonna bother respond to that

>>717903092
>I think some level of skill is also required
Definitely. Even Microsoft has infinite money and they never do anything with it. EA are purposefully creating the same game though, like with FIFA because they know retards will keep buying it every year.

>>717903059
yeah the whole roof gets built
>None of this shit matters
this right here is why you haters will NEVER get it. But maybe you are too young. RDR2 is a game best played after you are 30

>>717901670
i think it's cool but adding these is literally just a matter of budget

>>717903136
because you can't
>>717903143
exactly

Reminder that Hangar 13 only had 20 employs and only 2 years

>>717903092
The highest reviewed new game this year is an EA game.

>>717903127
my issue is not criticizing Mafia, but glazing all over RDR

>>717903092
Budget buys you skill. Of course no skill can save a project if the management is rotten.

Maybe they should have pulled back the scope of the game even more if they can't manage even a project of this size.

>>717901848
It doesn't

>>717903260
Yeah. I seriously doubt Mafia would be a 10/10 game even if the woodchopping animation was fucking divine.

>>717902259
I'm not the one playing slop, dear niggerfaggot.

>>717903327
Eh. A 7/10 game isn't the worst thing in the world.

>>717902887
fuck your community. looks like a gayturd taking it up the ass over the weekend.

no sheep wool delivery side missions in fucking rural country to earn money as an errand boy, only gay sex during the weekend.
fucking
grim

even the nigga had a better game

>>717902913
Modern devs actually take animations from existing libraries.
It might be why you see a walk cycle or the climbing of a waist-high-wall and it feels familiar.

all I care about is the core of the game. Is the story and the shooting fun? Fluff is just fluff. I'm not even going to notice any of it.

>>717903306
>Budget buys you skill.
Pic related is what happens when you just throw money at something and let untalented people into your studio. You need to completely gut the company and only hire for talent, but apparently that's called employment discrimination in this day and age.

>its the little details that count, chud
I don't give a shit about some NPC chopping wood, just make sure my cowboy game has shooty shooty bang bang and prostitutes to fuck.

>>717903461
I'm having a blast!

>>717902991
>caribou puts its head into the snow
>the snow doesn't move

>fox's cold breath is as big as a horse's

>wolf doesn't notice the geyser for a whole second

Sincerely, why does the snow not react to anything stepping in it? Why is grass a low resolution painted texture on a flat plane with a few stalks sticking up?

>>717903148
Holy shit anon you might be right
>Play RDR2 when I´m 24, think its boring as fuck
>Play it again this year at 31 years of age, get completely immersed. Taking my time, stopping to enjoy the sights and pay attention to hustle and bustle of towns noticing tons of interactions in each, discover tons of things I had just ran past as "there was nothing anyways", fish at a beautiful river spot I found, hunt with arrows and actual stalking instead of just rushing + headshot with appropriate rifle and much much more
I also found I had to "deprogram" myself a lot. There's such an ingrained expectation in games that everything should give constant stat/money/exp like treats to a rat that I had stopped actually enjoying games and just "played" them like a bot. RDR2 helped to get back into that mindset of childish wonder, exploration and doing things for the sake of doing them.

>>717903461
>NPCs fucking up pathfinding at the end
Great clip

>>717903148
>the whole roof gets built
I appreciate that they actually put in the effort. Presumably it stays built?

>>717903516
>full team
>photo with only the women on the team
Why does /v/ keep trying to present these off as the entire team?

>>717903615
God willing..

>>717903516
>IT'S THE WHITE WOMYNS' FAULT!

>>717903516
>try looking for a white male
>find one
>it's a statue

>>717903645
women in general but yes, glad you're paying attention sweetie. there's hope yet

>>717903541
Nah, it's literally the chuds crying for lack of detail. Like usual, they miss the big picture.

>>717901670
Adding small, meaningless details is not impressive when youre clapping yourself on the back for it. Nobody put the ice cubes melting in MGS2 in advertising material, they just made it without carimg if you'd notice or not. Meanwhile the fucking horse testicle shit or Aloy's peach fuzz was jerked off everywhere. You are now trying to attention whore over it and use it as advertising instead of just putting in cool shit for the love of the game.

>>717903516
my gigakino was delivered by THEM ?? i fucking kneel ladies...

>>717903620
Bcause /v/ is full of goobers and bots.

>>717903724
Would

>>717903705
Nobody at Rockstar advertised these moments from the game, players filmed them. And the horse testicles thing was just funny, it's like the least noticeable detail in the game. But what the fuck would you know about funny. You sound like your panties are up your neck. Shut the fuck up and go cry in a corner. Loser !

>>717902009
>The story, writing, and gameplay aren't
>"You fools weren't listening, were you? i showed you mercy, and you mistook it for weakness. Now, i will show strength, and you may mistake it for brutality!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0K0bn87GTg

RDR2 is the literal definition of kino

You can date a 10/10 latinx i give it a 10!

>>717903847
They filmed these moments because the game lacks any meaningful gameplay lol

>>717903970
True, i am sure there is zero footage of gameplay on the internet

>>717903923
Even nuGoW has better writing lol

>>717904007
Yes. Most thing you find are cutscenes, especially when the thing breaks in hilarious and unintended way.
https://youtu.be/Brp5iwZoCoc?si=OTc7J3JXfeDdDKnm

>>717903603
>game is full of little details already
>muuuh why didn't they go into even MORE detail
>???
you're just crying for the sake of crying

>>717904125
No. It's more that when you chase that extra fidelity, every mark you miss becomes so much more obvious. Minecraft has none of these problems because it looks so abstract already.

>>717903946
>Italy
>Latinx
Us Defaultism at work again

>>717904224
>sicilians
>literal heirs of Rome
>not latins

>>717901670
I'm on my first play through now and it's pretty comfy desu. Not even the main quest, but just riding around exploring and meeting folk.

>>717903751
>goobers
Unironically, gb2reddit.

>>717904125
Anon, the video is ZOOMING IN on the extra special details, which is showing off some very basic details weren't added.
Footprints in snow are as common in modern video games as swimming and have been around since 5th gen gaming.
Why can't the winter breathing cloud be adjusted for a smaller animal? This game is supposed to have horse testicle physics yet misses that?

It'd be like creating refraction of light in water! And then forgetting to add waves or anything that doesn't make your seawater look like a glass pane jammed into a beach.

I hope for more UE5 games
the game looks breathtaking

>>717901448 (OP)
Rockstar disgusts me. Talentless turbonormie hacks. Fuck them, fuck RDR and fuck GTA 6, I dont need to play it to be convinced that it's yet another slop

>>717903092
I agree, but I think numbers help too, Rockstar North alone has well over 600 staff. Kinda funny to image like
>join rockstar as a programmer
>man, i can't wait to work on something cool
>boss comes up to you and says you're going to be working on making the horse testicles shrink in cold weather

>>717903050
No one wanted to play online where you can't drive armored supercars and fly overpowered fighter jets
RDR2 online has, like, 20 times less players than GTA5 online
They quickly realized it's just not worth it and dipped

>>717904371
>getting triggered over goober
Found the bot

>>717904219
you should realize a game will never attain 100% fidelity and always require some level of abstraction, complaining because it's not enough is a you problem because you have unrealistic expectations of what is possible or not
truth is there aren't (m)any games as detailed as rdr2, and nitpicking on some even smaller details is kinda retarded

>>717902169
Says that in the vid nigga

>>717904415
Looks like a PS3 game

>>717901448 (OP)
>gta6 account
>shits on other games
Must be a /v/tard.

>>717901448 (OP)
Westerners don't understand video games.
"Look at these masters of the art of game design. They know how to make a more realistic wood-chopping animation!"
Westerners don't want games, they want interactive audio-visual experiences. That's basically it. You can release the best game in the world, they'll ignore it and talk about Red Dead Redemption and Cyberpunk because that's what they like.

>>717903148
What mods? I tried adding some but they made it look worse and there were 4 bears in valentine the first time i went in and the saw guy started attacking me for no reason

>>717904396
footprints actually mark the snow (even the small animals), the whole intro sequence is in the snow so if you missed that I think it's correct to assume you didn't even launch the game
also other anon was complaining because the deer didn't mark the snow when eating the grass under it, which is a very small detail you couldn't notice unless you're nitpicking

When did Mafia become this big series people care about and not just AAslop?

>>717901448 (OP)
>chopping wood in bare feet
This seems like a good way to lose a few toes

>>717904471
Missed the point, retard.

>>717904371
>Unironically
Reddit has used this word before. Go back.

>>717904601
keep crying, crybaby

>>717904529
Cyberpunk is miles ahead of Rockslop though. They put an actual effort into story and gameplay

>>717904415
>I hope for more uniformed, generic, gay realistic trash that contribute to the death of stylized graphics.
You should go back.

>>717904596
>anon is so incompetent he can't even protect his toes while chopping wood

>>717904415
I would rather not. At least until devs learn what graphic settings are for.

>>717902242
Retarded zoomzoom...

>>717904508
>>717904663
>>717904672

>>717904665
With the way I'm going that hatchet is going to end up in my own head.

>>717904637
I never cried. I just explained why fidelity for fidelity's sake is bad and you said I'm expecting too much fidelity. Because you're a retard.

>>717901772

Yeah, that's why re-using the same fucking battlefield DICE engine requires 400million dollars for a 2 year project right??? Shut the fuck up useless DEI corpo

>>717904698
RDR is zoomzoom franchise with an occasional boomer turbofan.

>>717901670
zoomers will see this and go
>HOLY SHIT THAT GUY IS SAWING A PIECE OFF SOMETHING AND THEN GOES SOMEWHERE WITH THE OTHER PIECE WHERE IT DESPAWNS THIS IS THE BEST GAME EVER
so just like all RPGs where NPCs have routines, but with the difference that the ones in RDR2 can only be killed, and then will respawn? This makes them better, why...?

>>717901848

I know I can't wait to get back to my ghosts of tsushima or horizon zero dawn EXACT SAME CLIMBING or EXACT SAME FLOWER COLLECTING omg so fun!!! You ahve to be THE BEST GAME at the boring slop or you are nothing - don't you realize boring open world slop games have to have a good story and good graphics CAUSE THEY ARE BORING AS FUCK

dumbass bots

>>717901670
>>717904726
>Games NEED realistic graphics and horse ball physics
You should go back to watching A24 movies and stay far away from video games.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=OyVLLpEAcRs

>>717904758
no you didn't explain shit, you just cried because of some small nitpicked details missing
despite the game being (one of) the most detailed out there
you're complaining for the sake of complaining and as such can't be taken seriously

>>717901670
>but i thought /v/ hates this
only because they don't have whores, just bath "handjobs," pozzed R*

>>717904752
Firm footing, legs wide apart. Swing over your head. In case you miss completely, the axe goes harmlessly between your legs

>>717902052

nah we just like making fun of the AAA DEI nigger faggot female infest studios THAT YOU ALL KNOW WASTE TIME ALL DAY LONG AND DO NOTHING you giant faggots

>>717904795
>No flashy anime graphics
>No gacha mechanics
>No instant gratification spam from doing anything more complex than breathing
>No forced online single player
Its not a zoomer franchise.

>>717901670
So fucking what? It's just a cool gimmick and doesn't do shit to gameplay in any shape or form.
>Muh realism
Too much is shit, for example having an animation for every tiny dogshit in RDR2 is extremely annoying

>>717904587
>large animal stuffs ENTIRE HEAD into a solid object
>"This is fine, I use noclip all the time"
>wolf cubs play in the snow around a bush that reacts to their presence in the modern squash-stretch way that resets as soon as they move off it
>the snow doesn't care about the animals nor the bush
If the bush was forced to only flex itself above the snowline it'd be more bearable.

These are big details, anon.
Why have NPCs animate if it looks like shit?

>>717904772
That's EA, retard.
They have never made a good game.

>>717901448 (OP)
Rockstar games suck ass

>>717904820
Don't ask questions, just engage with the viral tiktok

>>717903612
>There's such an ingrained expectation in games that everything should give constant stat/money/exp

i had to cut off other gaming friends because all they wanted to do was mod the game and cheat their way to endless XP games and meaningless loot, they have no artistic value at all they are just hamsters spinning a wheel - most people are just retards

>>717904842
I did no such thing. I'm not complaining for the sake of complaining. The details for details sake is utter foolishness.

>>717904917
those are not big details, in fact rdr2 is full of small details most players would never notice in a normal playthrough
but there's so much of them any player should notice some of them and think "wow this is a cool little detail"
just because the snow doesn't move 100% like real snow doesn't mean there aren't any snow physics
in fact there's no game out there with snow as detailed as in rdr2
once again you're just nitpicking on some smaller details on already small details

>>717904698
Spotted a proud american

>>717901670
wow
so deep gameplay
almost like a movie

>>717903705

the only reason anyone is clapping them on the back is because your retarded feminized DEI corpo gaming industry can't make anything better even with 10 years of time - it shows how utterly average and walmart nigger tier all of you are and this forum is FILLED with corpo AAA game devs who sit at their desks all day browsing internet DOING NOTHING

>>717901694
red dead == indian mass murdering
redemption == more indian mass murdering

rockstar fags are so sad lol

>>717901670
>vidrel
Literally no one asked

>>717903970

it's not meant to be a game about gameplay though - you probably work at a AAA game dev studio and make shit and got hired cause you're brown

>>717903050
>>717904458
This. GTA:O attracts certain kind of audience that wants to either a) grind heists forever or b) grief others with tanks/jets. RDO only added heists waaaaay later when it was already dead, there's only 3 of them and you need to grind ~8 missions before being allowed to play one (1) heist EACH. FUCKING. TIME. You cant buy something like the armored carriages with gatling guns either.

>>717905036
>The details for details sake is utter foolishness.
you still haven't explained that
small details give charm to the game and make things look more immersive, but it's still a game and no one really expects to be just like real life
exactly why Kojima has always been so praised, because his games are full of small details that have no impact in the game except make the player go "wow this is cool" when stumbling upon them

>>717904841
>stop playing video games
I own a 5090 and 1500+ games on Steam.I have supported more video games than you ever will in your life.

>>717901448 (OP)
meanwhile in reality in 2002

>>717905198
Details are fine but it's bad when they are the main focus. Give me a fucking game first then do your detail obsession autism as much as you want

>>717905115
Why shitskin beaners so obsessed with indians?
have been here since 2013 and honsetly /v/'s population is morelike 40% whites, 40% favela brownmonkeys+mexican, 10% chinks,gooks,japs, 5% seamonkeys and 5% indians
You beaner's obesession to Indians is kinda insane level

>>717904901
>>No flashy anime graphics
That's a weeb/gooner thing, not a zoomer thing. Also the game is littered with pointless flashy animations.
>>No gacha mechanics
That's a gooner/gambler thing.
>>No instant gratification spam from doing anything more complex than breathing
The game is a shameless powerfantasy videogame. It's near instant gratification. Also most of it fans don't seem to play much of it, just react to tiktoks related to it.
>>No forced online single player
Constantly spammed on social media. Also just because the online component failed to gain critical mass doesn't mean they didn't try, the GTA:O is just that much better at it.

It is a zoomer franchise.

>>717905182
>RDO only added heists waaaaay later when it was already dead
they added heists?
I thought they stopped development for Online years ago?
I used to play during covid and quit after reaching 200.

>>717901670
He's right! I bought the game because that one NPC is sawing a plank and puts it somewhere else

>>717905149
>"game is not about gameplay"
>but it's you who work with AAA mentality
Zero self-awerness, lol

>>717905279
SOVL

>>717905279
GTA made properly
fuck Shitstar

>>717905286
He means feather Indians, Native Americans, not POO indians.

>>717901670
I knew this webm would pop off, guaranteed replies. This place is a joke.

>>717905060
>just because the snow doesn't move 100% like real snow doesn't mean there aren't any snow physics
Goalposts: moved.
Anon: in shambles.

Show me the snow physics and why there are none on display in that webm. Footprints for NPCs are BASIC tech.

>>717905298
The Blood Money update added the three missions (Covington Emerald + 2 others I dont remember right now) that require Capitale to start each time. Capitale is earned only from grinding normal boring Blood Heist missions ("go here kill stuff come back"). However they arent GTA:O tier, they're rather basic and short.

>>717905182
>a) grind heists forever
this is me, I have over 200 million and don't even buy anything anymore, just grind

>>717905198
I already explained it. Details are meaningless if they serve no purpose. The purpose RDR2 details seem to serve is a) waste your time and b) being something the "players" can look at after they've exhausted all the content the game has.

>>717905384
Shitstar copying Bethesda in a bad stale way
news at 11

>>717905412
hmm, I'll have to check it out, thanks

>>717905279
>half of the cars so weak, they struggle with inclines, with some cars even completely unable to get up some of the more steep ones
young me was raging so hard at this while not understand how good I had it

>>717905287
Gooning is zoomer term for zoomer stuff. Most common complaint is that the game is too slow, not instant gratification. Game having online component has nothing to do with forced-online singleplayer, so that's not even an argument.

I've given you good reasons. You are free to disagree, but you havent given a single reason why it would be a zoomer game. Zero. Even if you disagree with me you have nothing.

>>717901448 (OP)
anything looks bad compared to R* games, let's be real here

>>717905582
sterile hollywood set, maybe although that's pointless
gameplay-wise? lol no

>>717905523
>b-but the online isn't forced!
Pathethic cope. I gave you plenty of reasons why the game is zoomerslop, which you predictably chose to ignore. So go doomscroll your Red dead tiktoks while pretending the game isn't peak brainrot.

>>717905405
here's a quick youtube search for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK14riGMKas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9KcB3RCJjM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEICmLcDWAI
for such a BASIC tech there aren't many games before 2019 that had such a detailed snow, if you know any you're welcome to post links I'd be curious to see which game has better snow than rdr2 according to you

>>717905462
I'd recommend you seriously consider checking the missions from wiki before starting them. You have to grind ~2 hours to have enough capitale to start one and if you fail you dont get retries.
The Emerald one (train heist) can be failed simply by walking too quickly to the mission area: guards get alerted despite you still standing on a public street and other ones seem to have obtuse fail conditions too. However they do have multiple ways to complete them like setting off fireworks to lure the guards away, hijacking the train after it leaves the city, getting a boat and sneaking in from dockside that has far less guards and so on.

>>717905698
>"The rushing forward with maximum efficiency is so ingrained into my gameplay habits. "
Zero arguments schizo. Meds. Now.

>>717905582
Imo modern Rockstar games look incredibly boring, the ridiculous fidelity just amplifies the effect. Cue the (probably fake) Hitchhock quote.

Is this fake fun?

>>717905810
Yes

>>717905780
>claims the other poster is schizo while arguing with voices inside his head

>>717901448 (OP)
>guys the npcs have a life of their own!
reminds me of the cod ghosts devs bragging about fish ai

>>717901448 (OP)
Reminder that Mafia tOC is a 50 bucks AA game.

>>717905891
They have to rub your nose into that shit because they know the result won't speak for itself

>>717905405
>>717905704
also forgot about it it but I'd like to point out that not only snow has physics but mud has too and reacts to the player and npcs just like snow does

>>717903603
>Elbows too pointy - 2/10

>>717905985
That spells creative bankruptcy to me. They think snow and mud physics can make up for total absence of creative vision, and sadly it looks like it works for them

>>717905891
Kinda funny though
>cod devs made a big deal about fish ai
>most rdr2 details just exist for people to notice or not

There's just no alternative to $300 million development costs with another couple hundred million into marketing. It's just what it is. Gamers would never accept a video game without realistic carbonation in drinks.

>>717905726
Sure, I try to do any missions blind at first, before trying to optimize the runs.
I'll be completely sht since I haven't playedin years, lol.
Thanks for the write up.

>>717901448 (OP)
>boring godfather movie game
>boring western movie game

>>717906376
>muuuh where's the snow physics
>muuuh there's too much snowphysics it's creative bankrupcty
whatever retard

>>717906558
>Gamers would never accept a video game without realistic carbonation in drinks.
All Kojimbo's fault, PS2 Nu-Metal Gear

>>717906691
>whatever
Concession accepted

>>717901531
>where you ride around on a horse while people talk
this is quite literally RDR2 and it's boring as cat piss

>>717901848
Fun?

/v/ used to come up with its own threads rather than just continuing discussions already happening on twitter, this site is cooked

>>717901670
good example
but a better example for the "mai gameplay" fags would be the game literally holding full blown funerals for random npcs you shoot.

>>717901670
The perfect webm that demonstrates how shit like Mafia and Cybershit 2077 are cheap slops in comparison to Rockstar's games.

>>717901848
>playing vidya
>/v/

>>717905341
...what?

>>717906740
you asked chatgpt for that comeback?

>>717901670
>handsaw pushes the entire stand
Nice "detail" retards

>>717907001
I didn't but I don't see how it matters either way

>>717906960
I assume he is talking about how they "remastered" the PS2 era GTAs through cheap 3rd party mobile devs and fucked it up.

>>717902009
this but entirely unironically

>>717907008
>he's so weak he can't push a stand with his handsaw
????

>>717902553
>it's part of the open world and makes it more immersive
Do you even believe that? It is supposed to be like that on paper but in reality none of the NPCs feel alive. You always see Rockstar puppeteer strings

>>717906629
me irl

>>717901848
game ?

>>717907230
name one game where npcs feel alive

>>717907039
Sounds more like a preference of the original Mafia over hte 6th gen GTA games (III, VC, SA). There was also some rivalry with True Crime back than.

>>717901651
>23M views
It prints money and basically you're a fucking idiot.

>>717907348
pls anon, this thread is just 3 discord tr0.00.ns sitting on Rockstar, please keep to topic

>>717905523
>Gooning is zoomer term for zoomer stuff
unc... I...

>>717907413
based elon, sharing clickbait money instead of hoarding it all like zuck

>>717906558
And they shouldn't!
https://youtu.be/vESvTNLK8k4?si=RhPG_l9Ego9OEOa8

>>717906896
Anon, that's peak slop right there.

>>717906883
can't fit that in a webm
>>717907008
u never touched a saw in your life

>>717906558
AAAA suits love this post.

>>717907348
Cyperpunk

>>717907008
A better example is how the retard just drops his saw to the ground like they grew on trees.

>>717907348
So you admit that despite all of Rockstar efforts it adds nothing and all NPCs in their games are lifeless husks

>>717907563
That wagon is from the first mission to Valentine, not the suffragette wagon.
Rename yer bait folder.

>>717907563
>nobody reacts to incoming train like a person would
Shit "game"

>>717901670
>OMG YOU GUYS ROCKSTAR ARE THE BESTEST EVER AND HAVE SUPERIOR ATTENTION TO DETAIL AND ITEMS DON'T CLIP THROUGH EACH OTHER.
Now call me strange for thinking this but I don't think metal just phases through wood like that.

>>717907857
you can feel the seethe behind posts like these, damn

>>717907749
that's a mod, retard
they are in story mode

>>717907986
You're the one seething, althoughbeit. Or can you explain how metal can phase through wood?

>>717907563
if $train_path going towards $NPC, make $NPC panic

there, woke-shitstar, I fixed this garbage for you

>>717901448 (OP)
I know Mafia doesn't seem to be that great but I'm so tired of people comparing stupid shit like this from completely different developers that are focusing on completely different things with their games.

>>717908095
damn why don't you have a job then?

>>717907857
it's ogre, fellow cockstars...

>>717908038
The whole game is story mode lol
Pardon for not recognizing when the "gameplay" is less scripted than normal due to mods

>>717907690
I admit that rdr2 is a videogame and there's no other videogame out there with npcs that 100% feel alive
nonetheless those small details put in the game add up, giving charm and the sentiment the world around the player is alive, and it's not just npcs walking around aimlessly like in early gta games for instance or more modern games like cyberpunk (and mos topen world games desu) where npcs have 2 modes which is either move around aimlessly or be stuck in a preset animation and don't deviate at all from it by being stuck in the same place forever and whenever you come by them

>>717908145
I do
and I program better shit than that crap.

>>717908095
>>717907749
>>717907563
>replying to your own post
>twice
how many time have posted in this thread already, a hundred?

>>717907550
Yes, putting unmatched detail and quality in your game is slop. Not releasing a broken at launch that takes 2 years to patch(and is still mid)or a game that has less details and attention than a 2010 game.

>>717908101
B-but we have to convince devs what's really important in games! Like that a woodchopper has his cock tucked the right way in his underpants!

>>717908190
>>717908164
>>717908185

>>717908237
>le detail
games should have GAME PLAY, which is the opposite of scripted to death, worse than the average CoD

BotW for example has game play depth, this shit doesn't

>>717908228
>everyone laughing at my daddy-star slop is one person
Meds.

>>717908265
I don't think they're actually trying to convince devs. This is just the usual tribal bullshit retards fall into.

>>717908265
Shitstar said that his cock is adjusted to the weather dynamically and they made sure it's realistic, by going to gay bars.

This is important to LGBTQ gamers.

>>717901448 (OP)
The ending was ass, why tf did we do all that shit just for it to have no meaning. Also fuck that “game” it was basically an interactive movie.

>GTA IS MY LIFE
>RED IS THE BEST
>I LOVE ROCKSTAR

>>717908145
He doesn't want to live like this.
https://youtu.be/7mCktSlyETw?si=dgsp03Rqe8zpeamT

>>717908175
My issues with this is that this approach is pure fluff. First, it clashes with the core gameplay where you can and are welcomed to poke around, create mayhem and, say, shoout out a whole village. If the game indeed cared about their NPCs it would make it so you feel bad for killing people in it.
Second, to me it reads like Rockstar's inability to come up with anything meaningful so they go for surface level appeal like NPC chopping wood instead

>>717901670
but does you average gamer care though?

>>717902584
HOW CAN SHE SLAP?!

>>717908520
the average gamer buys the game full price because of this

>>717908315
If RDR2 is boring why is still selling 7 year later better than BotW, 2077, and Elden Ring? Shouldn't word have gotten out that it's not fun to play by now?

>>717908520
What do you care about "average gamers" anon?

>>717908265
Hey now Anon, proper cock tucking is vital for comfort and any good warrior knows that adjusting your cock before a fight is vital to survival. I learned that from Yuusha Yoshihiko

>>717901448 (OP)
graphics tards are the AIDS killing videogames

>>717908586
It's artificial "fun," or as /v/ used to call it "Nu-fun." which isn't actual fun.

>>717901670
>pointless details I'm gonna run past anyway
lol fuck that, stop bloating my games for this shit

>>717901670
what about fun and gameplay ? oh wait, they are shit, same with the writing
So tired of rockstars bots/npcs

>>717908586
Why are rockstar shills all ESL?

>>717908593
He only plays Reddit-certified games.

>>717908574
Because of what? I'm 100% sure nobody bought the game because of that.

>>717908662
>I'm gonna run past anyway
there's your problem, learn to stop and admire beauty
>>717908686
sure, here you go

>>717908586
They will stop playing it altogether once Rockstar supersedes it with another portion of slop (eg RDR 3 or GTA 6). It's a flavor of the month and has no lasting appeal. It will play like shit in 10 years, even more so than now

>>717908686
They're not called moviegames for nothing.

Wood chopping animations are the least of it's problems.
Game just looks like it's boring as fuck to play. Zero originality other than "you play in early 20th Sicily!", a setting no one asked for because no one wanted to play as some wop hick.
One reason to play these linear story games is that you can actually experience TECHNOLOGY (RDR2, TLOU, Uncharted, etc.). Mafia gives you AA jank and treats it's story as some next coming of christ while it's probably just the same old rehashed Godfather/Scorsese tropes all over again, except with zoomer and PC friendly writing.

>>717908574
kinda sexy, ngl

>>717908692
>ad hominem

You lost third worlders. Nice admission.

God you guys are all fucking retarded

>>717908856
what kind of retarded am i?

>>717908856
Grandpa, go to sleep.
No GTA6 until next year.

>>717908754
>>717903724
>all nerds hobbies get infested by roasties
>they all turn to shit
Wow, who would have guessed...

>>717908593
well to humour you very poor attempt at a clever response your normal person and i mean a functioning member of society not a neet chud isn't going to care about a npc chopping wood after they come how from a 9-5 they'll just want to play a game.

>>717908754
>fun gameplay
>walked up to NPC
>Chased NPC 5 steps
>Shot him in the head(he somehow survived that)
>Random NPC starts beating him up.
It seems like you posted a NPC glitching out as an example of "fun gameplay" when the actual gameplay we saw was moving, moving, a single bullet fired and moving.
You, the player, did fuck all.

>>717908492
I don't think it's just fluff because the game is full of tiny details like that, it's not just npcs sawing wood everywhere and it all ends up in making a coherent and immersive world
I think gameplay is fun and gunfights are cool enough to play with thanks to the extreme level of detail added to it (once again), like how guns behave in general (having to cock the gun for instance), how npcs behave and react when being shot at, possibilities of approach (in the open world, not in missions) and the big arsenal at the disposition of the player
like I said, the game is full of details and not only in npcs
and if you want to cause mayhem you surely can - and npcs and the world will react to it accordingly thanks to level of detail and care the devs put into the game

>>717909028
Let's see your idea of fun gameplay

>>717909054
I'll just say that all these details boil down to a litmus test "Do you feel bad for killing an NPC?" I mean if he seems integrated into this lively world you probably should, right? Yet I don't think it is the case

>>717908839
>Ad hominem
No, it's an honest observation
>why is still selling
ESLs often forget to include subjects like in this case forgetting to put "it"
>year instead of years
Plurals also often screw over ESLs
>"and" not used between later and better
Noticing and understanding the use of conjunctions is another common mistake ESLs make.

>>717903461
You're shitting yourself.

>>717901670
to all the people sperging about this vid
what I have to tell you is that this adds to immersion
immersion
so many people overlook it
Its literally one of the main selling points of RDR, that you're immersed in the world. You BELIEVE that you're in a forest hunting animals.
You BELIEVE that you're this chill cowbow, slowly trotting towards a tree, slowly and smoothly sliding off your horse, hitching it to said tree, and making a campfire.. then cooking some meat over that campfire and use your coffee boiler to make some coffee..
like holy shit man this is so basic, you guys played minecraft right?? this is just a more immersive version of minecraft. I used to sit in my 3 by 3 mud hut and feel safe while zombies are outside my door and my furnace is on, this is that but the suspension of disbelief is even bigger.
Every animation, every sound, every piece of music, the deliberate nature of how they move.. the systems that are in place to make animals and npc's behave in a realistic manner..

how are all of you fuckers not understanding this?? I think you're just roleplaying to rage bait others, or you're an old fucking sad person.

in any case this game sold so many copies and made so many people happy so L + ratio to all the shit talkers

>>717901670
>Bumps the platform
>Drops his saw straight into the wet mud when its the tool of his trade and makes him money, yet walks away anyway

Immersion shattered.

>>717909181
meh personally I usually play their games semi-serioursly (as in I don't usually go in full rampage for no reason)
still rdr being just an extension of gta I think all their games retain a "cartoony" aspect to it, with lots of humor and sarcasm to it especially when it comes to npcs where they have tons of fun and exagerated lines, added to that the great ragdoll interactivity, so you never really feel bad when you decide to go mayhem on them
other games make it much less fun to attack random npcs, and it's not because I care about them, it's just because they're not as interactive and fun to mess with as those in gta/rdr

>>717909432
>or you're an old fucking sad person.
the opposite: it's all very young zoomers who are unable to appreciate stuff like this. They'll like it in the future though, unless they die from bitterness. I probably wouldn't have liked RDR2 in my teens or even 20s, glad i played it at 30+

>>717901670
too bad they forgot to make the game fun :/

>>717901448 (OP)
why are nu western games so boring? have they given up or something? how can they even compete with gooner games, kek

That's how mafia works

>>717909557
maybe in a general sense, for the general audience, I'm willing to accept that age is an indicator here
but in general, I was fucking what.. 14 or 15 when I played RDR 1, I lost my shit I was crying at the end. I enjoyed that game to hell and back. So It's really about the personality.

So many girls nowadays are like
IPLAY:
PHASMOPHOBIA FORTNIRE APEX LEGENDS OVERWATCH FORTNIRE

like girl get a fucking life you sperg how is this gaming ? how is this gaming??

>>717909706
how many times did you reply to that webm?

>>717909775
girls fucking love RDR2 lol

Small details like this are what makes a game have soul, which is the most important thing in a game. Forced soul doesn't exist.

>>717909775
NO SOVL!!!!!! WHERE'S MY SOVL????!!?!?
>unironically

>>717909852
man I don't doubt it for a minute. my ex has vertigo when she looks at a screen and she still played through the entire game, just pushed through it.
But yeah I meant like, so many girls AND BOYS btw are playing those games today. Its not games.. Its fucking slop for zoomers. there's no sovl in it

>>717904592
1 remake when people pretended they always were fans

>>717901721
>this is how /v/ has been for years now
>welcome to the modern internet bud, buckle up.
Well, fuck that, let's just shut this place down

>>717909054
>tiny details
how about the DETAIL that NPCs react to you being a mass murderer? You know GAME PLAY related, not set dressing for nu audiences.

>>717909775
Fortnite gameplay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RED SHIT REDEMPTION 2 "game" play, in which you are forced to kill KKK

>>717909852
makes sense
no gameplay, no skill required, basically walking simulator, even so you game over when don't exactly follow le script
perfect for whores

>>717910525
Interesting. When did you shower last ?

>>717908076
It didn't you absolute mongoloid, you can clearly see in the video he places it down and it falls off, there isn't even anything clipping in the picture you provided. So what's your next schizo post going to be about?

>>717907008
>>717907681
these details ruin the whole animation for me. the sawhorse jittering around like that should have been embarassing for the person recording this.
>ever want to see what the bottom of a sawhorse foot looks like?

>>717909719
DSP managed to die during this scene.

>>717910582
tits or gtfo

>>717908574
Soulless.
Leaves nothing to the imagination.
MafiaChads keep on winning.

>>717907008
How are you this retarded? Do your eyes even function at all? Clearly the piece of wood cut off hits the bottom of the saw horse which moves it.

>>717910639
Actually I died too. I was taking some screenshots and took me off guard like wtf.

>>717910620
This retard thinks a saw horse from the 1800s has grippy feet and wouldn't move at all in the mud it's placed in. This is why any opinion you retards have is invalid, you don't have the grey matter neccesary to form coherent thoughts.

>>717901670
This does not make a better game.
Neither does petting a fucking dog.

>>717910994
Imagine being this wrong. Yikes..

>>717901670
Monster Hunter "fans" praise this shit too.
OPh the glumbuss toad eats the bugs and traverst the rhsadflkjshdf
SHUT THE FUCK UP
I want to hunt I don't give a shit about fucking critters.

>>717901670
>Saw plank
>Drag it on the 2nd floor
>Store it
Why?

>>717901448 (OP)
Wish I can go back in time and choke crowbcat to death before he released that “GTA4 is better than GTA5” video. It spawned an era of pajeets who confuse small detail for responsiveness in games. How good an NPC chops wood is a small detail and does not detract from the game. Lame enemy ragdoll affects responsiveness and detracts from a game

>>717911074
and you can't hunt because of that or what's the problem? Alternatively, can people not shoot people in RDR2 because that guy is sawing a plank?

>>717911072
I'm glad you get to kill this dog.
Fuck you, fuck this non gameplay immersion shit

>>717911138
if you look to the left there's a ladder and an uncovered roof, so they're using it for the roof later

>>717909560
There's a difference.
Shenmue was 100% built around this stuff. That's the point of the game.

Red Dead is about cowboys shootin and stealin
Anything that is not shootin and stealin goes against the design of the game

>>717911149
I SAID YIKES !!!

>>717911072
half life 2 did this decades ago.

>>717911148
That critter shit could have been used to make another monster, another weapon, new armor, anything actually related to the core gameplay loop

>"Mama mia! Don Mario, he putta da sborra inna da spaghetti!"
>"I odio Don Mario!"
>"No! They will hea-"
>two scicilians burst in
>"NOBODY INSULTA DA DON!"
>they beat him up while funiculi funicular plays

>>717911287
>this slop could have been replaced by different slop
and there's the problem

>>717901448 (OP)
use case for chopping wood in a rockstar game?
how many hours do I need to do this to buy one car in GTA Online?

>>717903092
>What's the last good EA game
Titanfall 2

AHERM:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHPuZA3ir68

>>717901670
why does he saw it in the middle of the road?
just so you can watch him do it?

>>717911709
Yes. They put that NPC there to farm /v/ replies.

>>717901448 (OP)
Gothic did it in 2001.

>>717911676
based itemstackingchad

>>717911983
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkWgTqf9WHA
1992 btw. Same year as Sonic 2.

>>717911905
Just like how everyone ran into "randomly" shooting down that bird

>>717912007
>ultima kino
Why did it have to die?
In a alternate universe ultima is the all time open world sandbox series still going today and elder shit died

>>717901448 (OP)
NOOOOOO HOLDING MODERN GAMES TO THE STANDARDS OF GAMES FROM 20 YEARS AGO IS LITERALLY ANTI-SEMANTIC.

>>717901694
in the very first game your name was red and you inherited your dad's revolver after some bandits came and shot up your dad and mom and burnt down your homestead leaving you for dead.

Idk why the other games are named redemption, but the first one was on topic.

>>717910361
yes when you go nuts and start shooting and killing people randomly in the middle of the streets they react to it and either run away from you (civilian npcs) or try to stop you (law enforcement npcs)
also arthur's lines and how npcs react to him are directly influenced by the player's alignment (so if you keep mudering people for no reason all game long then npcs will antagonize you more when you interact with them)

>>717912351
That guy is literally right though. Nail down what your game is really about and then make that as good as possible instead of trying to add a bunch of pointless shit. The fact that BG3 absolutely fails at this is another issue entirely.

>>717908754
This is pure slavjank, cmon.

>>717901448 (OP)
why are retards comparing Mafia with GTA?
GTA is an open world game while Mafia is a linear singleplayer game with open world elements, the budget is vastly different too.
Mafia has its flaws but it certain isn't the open world, it's the shooting.

>>717911404
The only problem is developers misallocating resources. Nobody buys Monster Hunter to chase down critters, they buy it to hunt monsters and get new armor and weapons.
If you waste time on critters and it removes even one aspect of the actual game loop then you've made your game worse and that's a problem.

>>717901670
>drops the saw on the mud

>>717903231
uhh sure
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91qAPGh6ygM
Mafia: The Old Country Credits - Mafia Game Videos - 216K subscribers 2.6K views 2 days ago

>>717913019
I put 250 hours into RDR2 and i think 200 of those were hunting.

>>717908754
LMFAO!!!!!!

>>717903406
>game
it's not a game. it's a visual novel with gameplay elements

>>717913053
>No indians
woah

>>717913112
VN with gameplay elements is a game, they told me.

>>717913107
my condoleances.

>>717913107
You`do know that there are actual hunting games out there, right?

rdr1 is just fucking deserts, a swamp and like two towns
rdr2 is like three towns and forests
of course they add shit like npc routines or detailed animations, otherwise people would see through the veil

>>717913290
i prefer rdr2 :)

>>717913467
What's your diagnosis?

>>717913515
they said i'm based

>>717913394
rdr is 2 deserts, 1 swamp, 1 forest-mountain, 1 grassland plains, 1 grass-forest, 2 towns, 2 semi-towns
rdr 2 has all the above + more biomes and towns, each with their own unique npcs and ecosystem

>>717914002
You misheard. They said you're bastard. Your mum was lovely btw :)

>>717903092
Besides the insane budget, Rockstar amassed and retained technical talents and institutional knowledge of how they make their games over the decades. They're not the kind of company that throws away their game engine knowledge every financial quarter or something. People sneer at their horse testicles-tier detail and rightfully so sometimes, but like it or not, it takes a hell of a technical knowledge and skills to create open world games with all the main/side missions, spectacles, and such while sprinkled with minutest details like that and then some.

>>717901670
The fact that the game as all of that realism and then the guy drops the saw in the mud like is nothing is killing me

>>717901448 (OP)
are we seriously pretending now that right looks better
>>717901531
and we actually appreciate open snooze world.

Just asking, not sure what I'm supposed to feel right now. I want to be cool like you guys.

>>717911139
I have to agree with that. Like I get it, sometimes small details are great but you don't have to compare anything to stuff like Rockstar games or Naughty Dog when it comes to whether or not cars explode like they should or whatever. Simple interactivity to make the game world more alive is fine, but you don't have to go batshit crazy about it.

>>717914361
Why are Rockslop fans like this? They're like tendies.

>>717901848
it doesn't, that's why nobody brings up MH Wilds which has animal weather cycle behavior, but the graphic and performance is questionable and the gameplay worse.

Mafia is shit but you can't really compare other games to rockstar games. They can take all the time they want, have the biggest budgets and the largest teams. If rockstar couldn't put out a game that blew everything out of the water for a generation or two, that would be something worth talking about.

>>717909719
>gun superglued to back
UEslop at work

>>717901848
TRVKE
The best games do care about the details but not at the expense of having fun gameplay. No Rockstar game is "fun" to play. The closest they came was Bully but even that has many issues

>>717901670
A shame the gameplay is shit.

>>717912642
I'm talking about le base camp.
shoot everyone, be a crazy lunatic AND LITERALLY NO ONE CARES
shit gaem
also
>put people on train tracks
>train comes
>NPCs don't care
SHITSTAR

>>717914953
imagine getting a billion budget
and making a walking simulator instead of a sandbox open world like GTA3
>no, no, you see that's a glitch in GTA3, you aren't supposed to think

>>717901848
https://youtu.be/S6cXNH6AVg0?si=kW6HG36xe7YDlhYJ&t=69

>>717913019
moron these aren't 30 man dev teams. there's hundreds of people working on these games. you may not give a shit about it but other people clearly do care for the attention to detail and there's no harm if a couple of guys wanna work on critter animations.

https://youtu.be/GTPe44ictv0
>shill up

>>717901670
>75 million people bought RDR2 because a guy the vast majority of players will ignore and walk right past saws off a block of wood
People bought RDR2 because it had been years since the previous Rockstar game, it looked pretty, and had a story people could get invested in. That's all. If you think that RDR2 invented NPCs having a routine, you're genuinely fucking retarded. The very first town you're likely to go to in Skyrim has characters running a mill and working the blacksmith, and that game released 7 years prior, as just one example. Scripting an AI to do menial tasks at specific times isn't anything to write home about.

>>717915658
well you were so insisting on gameplay so I figured the npcs you interact the most with, not the characters you only see during missions
but to answer you all the people in the camp are criminals in some way or another, most of them are murderers too
they still react to the players alignment btw
also try roping up an npc and put him on the rails and see if he's happy about it, also do it in a place with other npcs around and tell me they don't react
you didn't play the game did you?

>>717916442
NTA, but Red Dead Redemption 1 already did all this. What point are you trying to prove? Are you retarded?

>>717916442
>you interact mostly with random NPCs, that have nothing to do with you
>instead of the NPCs at your base camp
???

>>717916442
>oh wow, I have to rope them
>but if they are in a vehicle, they don't give a shit
So your walking simulator is even inconsistent.
I accept your concession.

>>717916575
he was complaining about it not happening in rdr2, I was just telling him about it
did you even read what was being discussed or are you just being retarded on purpose?

>>717916601
when you said npcs didn't react to you being a mass murderer I thought you meant the npcs you see during 99% of the game, not the ones that only appear in some missions

>>717916747
>I accept your concession.
gpt reply, discarded

>>717916993
You gave him a (You), dumbass.

>>717902913
Ye battlefield 6 is like people with arms growing out of their ass tried to recreate bf 3

What's up with performance on pc? Why does a 9070 beat a 5080? Why does it demand anything near this for 90% of the game to look like something that could be done last gen?

>>717916918
>in missions
>base camp
???

>>717917201
yes because when you play rdr2 in all logic you spend 99% of your time in base camp, in fact they should've gotten rid of the rest of the open world
because base camp is where the REAL game is at bro

>>717917104
UE5 is just cancer.
Normalfags just didn't figure it out yet.

>>717917497
SH2 wasn't terrible after patches. Still super heavy but at least it actually looks good.

but is it woke

>>717917821
By patches you mean mods.
Otherwise the whole game has awful "boiling" GI because lumen is shit.

>pay 2000+ dollars for the most powerful graphics card
>have thousands of more cuda cores, more vram, more memory bandwidth, more TMU's than the 4090
>only 8 FPS difference
>can't go above 43 FPS

this is a fucking joke

>>717901670
This is cool detail but the game itself has to be good to make the details feel significant. Rockstar spent time on this instead of making objectives that let the player solve them in their own way. No doubt GTA6 will be just as mediocre in terms of actual game logic especially now that they want to appeal to RP players i.e. vrchat second life imvu gaia online aids

>>717918207
>you mean mods.
That too, ray reconstruction goes hard.

>>717901670
>pay a jeet to animate a 1 minute sequence
>holy shit ROCKGODS!!!

>>717918215
Game doesn't like blackwell for some reason.

>>717918461
What do you mean? Blackwell is just Ada +10%.
Only 5090 is noticeably faster because it's 600W monster.

>>717917336
>le open world
open pointless empty world with nothing to do, except being a base camp to INTERACT WITH KNOWN NPCS, who are brain dead and retarded
got it

>>717902991
>>717901670
only browns give a fuck about GTA
are you implying anyone WOULDNT buy this shit if it looked like minecraft?
browns dont know the difference

>>717917497
>well made engine is a problem, not the developers

>>717918823
PS2 GTAs were great
GTAs after that were pure slop
>muh meme physics
>muh meme graphics

>>717901670
Gothic 1 tech

>>717918996
*Ultima 7 (1992)

>>717901448 (OP)
B-b-but, scope creep!

https://www.gamesradar.com/games/baldur-s-gate/baldurs-gate-3-publishing-lead-defends-mafia-the-old-countrys-lack-of-swimming-after-clips-go-viral-says-endlessly-layering-on-mechanics-maketh-a-good-game-not/

B-b-but scope creep!!!

>>717919080
DELETE

>>717901683
Simping for a single company is not passion.

>>717918837
Nanite and lumen are resource sinks that require heavy TAA blur to hide the flaws.
Those are the main features promoted by epig.
If not for DLSS no one would even think UE5 games look decent.
I guess there are no devs good enough to handle UE5 then.

>>717904672
>>717917104
>>717918215
you are on PC
get a life
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XG8PTvXV20
Mafia: The Old Country | OPTIMIZATION GUIDE | Every Setting Tested | Best Settings - BenchmarKing - 111K subscribers 6,291 views 15 hours ago

>>717919336
>Whoa 80fps when nothing happens on the screen
>pajeet video
I wish I didn't click on that.

>>717901651
>over 23 million views
He's probably floating in an ocean of dopamine and oxytocin right now.
And probably in an ocean of cash from all those clicks.

>>717908593
If CoD had a Clem skin I'd be back in the game

>>717919846
>>Whoa 80fps when nothing happens on the screen
literally the entire game you fag
it's a fucking museum game visual novel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRcE3PKtmaQ
1999

>>717919312
>noooo, you can't make graphics awesome and for the future
>you have to make them look like shit, because hardware never gets more powerful
>btw. get a PC for gaytracing

>the game run at 200 fps
>"it means it's not using the potential of my graphic card! We are stagnating!"

>the game run at 45 fps
>"it means the optimization is SHIT!!!"

>>717920542
Who are you quoting?

>>717904271
You're gonna get your head caved in with a pizza pan if you call them latinos in their face.

>>717902825
Imagine trying to make a robbery of a vehicle in a time where they're limited in number and the territory belongs to the Familias, you're dead even for attempting it.

>>717920983
some anonymous loser retard, highly likely a PC bastard

>>717919312
>muh resource sinks
UE5 Fortnite works fine on the Shitch
cope
>but but Lumen
yeah, optional, dumb fuck

>>717901848
If you stalk an npc in a game like ffxiv it doesnt take long for them to just repeat what they were doing or boof out of existence and its immersion breaking. Plus people who play rockstar games like to do fucked up shit like stalk npcs before killing them

>>717922383
>yeah, optional, dumb fuck
I know only 1 game which allows you to disable lumen and has fallback solution.
So "optional" as fuck.

>>717909852
It's basically a movie about a criminal with le heart of gold. Of course they love it.

>>717904224
I would literally put Greece in the same basket as well

>>717918889
>it just so happened to peak when i was actively playing games as a teenager and once i became a fat loser incel adult and i stopped playing games games became bad

>>717901772
it's been 9 years since the last Mafia

>>717913394
Vintage Story has a more detailed, varied, and larger world but has no animations.
I prefer this over rdr

>>717904271
>sicilians
>heirs of rome
venice is more deserving, sicily is africa first and foremost.

>>717922651
>how dare these developers
PC-cuck cries out in pain
>Lumen is active on the Shitch, it's naht optional
lmao

>>717922750
no, the PS2 GTAs has comic art style, and focused on gameplay, lots of gameplay.
Remember GTA4? It had basically no content, especially when you came from San Andreas.
It just had meme graphics, which were terrible, and meme physics, which were retarded
Similar to Max Payne 3, they fucked the games up by focusing on graphics/muh physics instead of game play

Skillup's review of Mafia the Old Country made me want to just watch a let's play. It sounds really bad.

>>717922651
>you can't
To disable Lumen in Fortnite, you can adjust the Global Illumination quality setting in the game's options to "Low" or "Medium". This will switch from Lumen to a non-Lumen lighting system, which may improve performance on lower-end systems.
>lower-end systems
>noooohhhhhhh

>>717923984
In RoboCop: Rogue City, Lumen, Unreal Engine 5's global illumination system, is automatically disabled when the graphics preset is set to medium or lower. To manually disable Lumen, you need to modify the game's configuration files.

seems like the PC cuck is lying, as always.
>nooooo, why do I have to select low quality on my shit PC

Some people still can't admit that Rockstar just makes live service slop now. You know GTA 6 will most likely get zero SP DLC just like 5.

>>717916402
>75 million people bought RDR2
and counting

>>717901448 (OP)
Rockstar does good, but when the industry is so poor they are being hailed as God himself there's something terribly wrong.

>>717901448 (OP)
>Chudstar Games
>Good
Lol LMAO ROFLMFAO

>>717924764
we cry for dlc now? on an already long enough game?

>>717901670
>the reason the game sold that many is because of these things most players never notice
Great point

>>717901448 (OP)
nuh yeh

>>717925137
The single player isn't the focus anymore, grandpa. GTA 6 entire game will be built for the live service

>>717925509
you think you didn't notice it, but your brain did

>>717903681
It's ok to gender and race discriminate when it's against males.

>>717925734
>50h solo game
>single player isn't the focus anymore

Crowbcat video soon

>>717926353
GTA 5 came out in 2013. The reason why we're not getting more SP games is because they're busy making live service slop. And they did try to force the live service slop in RDR2 too but turns out nobody wants to grind for horses

>>717926353
The target audience is children who steal their parents' credit cards.

>>717924786
>Steam
>buying
choose one

>>717901848
Normies eat this shit up because they lack the reflexes and motors skills to play video games

>>717926353
>50h of an uncreative follow the mission script grindfest
that's not content
San Andreas had actual content

>>717926728
advertisement says GTA slop
this means I must buy le latest GTA slop port
>unironically buys 10 million of broken PS2 GTAs made by incompetent company which already ruined the games before
Oh wow, did you see GTA? I must get GTA, because GTA
grim

>>717926891
oh wow, advertisement says I can buy GTA 5 on PS5 again
wow, they added 2 gimmicks
I will pay full price for that

have you seen le funny GTA online?
I must buy these shark cards
$500 for shark cards
ha, so much fun

grim

>>717903923
That was almost a good line, setup was good but payoff fell flat in comparison

see you in the next RDR fuming thread bros

>>717923887
Except IV has by far the best combat in the series. How is that not gameplay?

The gameplay of the 3D era GTAs was bad/mediocre from a mechanical perspective, so they just filled the game with content to compensate. IV focused on polishing the fundamentals.

>>717926490
No cares about that guy anymore. His viewership fell off a cliff after his RE4 video.

>>717931535
>Except IV has by far the best combat in the series.
This is not a high bar when it boils down to lock on and shoot. Can’t even switch shoulders in that game

>>717931535
>best combat
>retarded auto-aim
>muh physics over game play
nope

>>717931846
You’re right. It isn’t a high bar, but it is a noticeable improvement over what came before. Especially since the animations and sound effects make shooting feel satisfying.

>>717931847
The 3D games had auto-aim too. The shooting mechanics of the older games have aged very badly on their own merits, and are passable at best.

>>717926493
so that's like 5 years between those 2 games
most big games have long dev cycles nowadays

>>717931535
GTA should just copy Max Payne 3 combat. Maybe not the diving shit but the over feel. The game has a good enough mix of heavy physics based weight and realism mixed with agility responsiveness to feel fun. Ever since R* has made their characters control like dumpy stumbling retards and it has made the combat in their games feel terrible.

>>717932079
>the PS2 GTAs also had shitty combat
right, but at least they didn't have a shitty frame rate and also not shitty meme physics, but actual game play and non fucked car controls

>>717901683

If you have "passion" for Rockstar you are severely mentally ill.

>>717903516
meanwhile, in reality:

>>717901448 (OP)
waiting for the first person mod

>>717911139
Imagine seething about crowbcat merely pointing out how modern games are soulless dogshit, lol
>How good an NPC chops wood is a small detail and does not detract from the game. Lame enemy ragdoll affects responsiveness and detracts from a game
It's literally the other way around, fucking retard. An NPC having an animation where he eats steak for 10 minutes is pointless fodder for youtube videos. Good physics actually improve gameplay, it's precisely why GTA4's shooting feels miles better than GTA5 with its garbage hit reactions

>>717934515
Jesus you’re so fucking stupid, you just repeated my point while misunderstanding it

>>717901531
>mafia is like red dead if you removed all the retarded bloat and horse balls and only left the gameplay in
>SO BAD!!!

>>717934629
I thought that by ''Lame enemy ragdoll affects responsiveness'' you were implying you don't like modern Rockstar style ragdoll physics

>>717934515
>muh physics
>it's good that running around in GTA-slop 4 feels like skating on ice
>same for cars

>>717901848
it makes playing in first person much more immersive and easier to lose yourself in the world. if the only thing that matters to you in a game is the controls then go play CoD or a fighting game.

>>717931847
>>retarded auto-aim
all ps2 GTA games have forced autoaim, GTA4 was the first one to let you play with unassisted aim on console, you fucking tard

>>717932436
>right, but at least they didn't have a shitty frame rate
what? they ran about the same as GTA4. seriously what are you on about, are you fucking braindead?

>>717934515
I genuinely don’t understand why they downgraded the physics for V. What purpose did that serve when both IV and RDR1 have way more advanced physics?

The best that GTA have to offer seem to be the logical next step from Mitdown Madness.

>>717908574
>they wasted their time on some useless interacting nobody will ever see outside a youtube video
no wonder their games cost a trillion to make and yet every mission plays the same. they just waste their budget on faggotry like this

>>717935874
>muh ice skating
filtered by proper driving physics. stick to slop andreas

>>717932379
Max Payne 3 combat slapped and it's criminal R* never carried that forward. The snap aiming was snappy without being braindead auto-lock, recoil actually mattered, and the hit reactions made gunfights feel dynamic without turning into a physics clown show. GTAIV went way too far into the jank zone with characters tripping over curbs and flying over car doors like wet noodles. We don’t need full ragdoll marionette hour, we need something between Max Payne 3’s precision and RDR2’s molasses-on-ice controls. R* just refuses to find that sweet spot.

>>717901670
This mindbroke /v/, all while slurping up phone gacha slop and literal tranny simulators like Deltatroon

>>717936274
Tbf, it is a reasonable question to ask why they’re able to put this much attention into minor details, yet their mission design continues to get worse with every game.

>>717901670
That's nothing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrUJJgppMn4

>>717936274
It's natural that you don't care about attention to detail, given that this is the board that ate up Palworld the most and has a board dedicated to Pokemon.
4chan only plays slop with zero effort and atrocious, woman-proof gameplay.

>>717936437
OMFG /v/ros imagine how much time and resources were wasted on THISSSSS !!!!!!!!

>>717936437
see>>717920470

>>717936553
>ACKSHUALLY YOU DON'T CARE AND ARE EVILLLLLL AAGGHHH

>>717936718
See this low IQ form of arguing? No doubt 4chan becoming the biggest casuals on the internet is due to floods of shitskins

>>717936825
hold that thought, i gotta lead my girl

>>717936437
>WOWIE ZOWIE THEY SPENT 3 YEARS OF DEVELOPMENT GIVING EACH NPC A LIVING LIFE SO YOUTUBERS CAN MAKE VIDEOS ABOUT HOW AMAZING IT IS
>meanwhile the actual gameplay everyone actually interacts with

Rockstar slopers are beyond low IQ and fall for the lamest marketing tricks. Next you are going to show the horse's balls changing with the weather, I remember that being a big deal.

>>717937032
>failing to saddle a horse
lmfao talk about filtered

>>717936394
And it's still the best among open world games, mostly because they are the only ones still featuring some level design instead of just placing a target somewhere.

>>717937032
>Heh this is utter slop.
>Wait a minute, I need to do my dailies in Azure Line

>>717931745
cope capkek
RE4 demake got BTFO. after than DD2 flopped and MHWilds flopped. Capcom is on the ropes lmao

>>717936119
>all ps2 GTA games have forced autoaim
yeah, and you fucking retard?
GTA4 has the same, which you admit, calling it "best combat" is literally retarded.
>but you can manually aim in a very horrible way
you are fucking retarded

>>717936247
>proper
>lol realism
>skating on ice
child, maybe drive an actual car at some point, adults are talking here

>>717936119
>they ran about the same on playstation
LMAO

>>717901448 (OP)
both look like shit
GTA V is overrated too

>>717936119
>what?
hey shitstar cocksucker, GTA 4 on PS3 LITERALLY made your eyes bleed because it looked SO awful and ran SO badly.
Literally a slideshow and fully broken, full on ass and your IGNorant ass gave it a 9/10, which is pure ridiculousness