Thread 717912169

When will we finally see AI improve gaming? Only noticeable effect AI had so far on gaming was cheap remasters with garbled unreadable upscaled text on textures

Let me ask you something- can a great artist make art using shit? Sure, a great artist can do anything, but it's still gonna be shit in the end of the day, he won't gravitate towards it, he would rather use stone or marble or clay or paper or one of the many fields permitting his creativity better than shit. You give him shit, the result may be better than had a non artist used it, but it's still shit, and he's still gonna put the shit away and work on something better.
All that's left is the monkeys who love the shit and throwing the shit, so when you ask "why isn't anything great being done with shit?" the answer is to ask yourself- who loves shit? The artist doesn't, the monkey does, and there's your answer. Shit fundamentally does not appeal to the wise talented creator, it appeals to the monkey, it's an inherent trait of shit. And a monkey can't sculpt a grand statue, a monkey can toss shit around.

>>717913191
based and shitpilled

>>717913191
and if your presupposed analogy weren't already validated and secured beyond question?

I can't wait until we have proper NPCs

what the fuck is the point of doing or getting anything creative if it's two clicks away

AI won't do shit and people will become addicted at tinkering with their creations forever because it will never be perfect kind of how people get addicted to modding without ever touching the game they are modding in the first place

>>717912169 (OP)
I don't know, I like AI and I use it to make cool pictures and little videos. What you're asking for is very complex. It'll probably be used to help make resources for the game itself, but as for making an entire complex puzzle essentially, I think that's another 10 years off. Don't trust the retards saying they just hate AI, it's just a bias. No different from a Nintendo fanatic screaming.

>>717913494
Ah, I see anon doesn't understand what an analogy is

>>717913656
>I like AI and I use it to make cool pictures and little videos.
>shartyfag
what is soijakkers obsession with AI and generally their "little pictures and videos" they're always marveling at like cattle? why do you always need to look at something grotesque writhe around?

>>717913798
not sure what you're trying to cleverly say but it's too clever for you to actually articulate at the moment so i'll just clarify, i meant the analogy presupposed between ai image generators and related tech, and shit.

>>717913914
Analogies express one's view of the world by comparing them to analogous and similar things, they don't create or write the worlds

>What if your analogy wasn't analogous to the issue?
Then it would not be an analogy, simple as
What if grandma had wheels? She'd be a FORD Mustang

>>717913884
Shut the fuck up, I saved that picture from this fucking place. I thought it was funny. Kind of ironic if you think about it, this wasn't made with AI. Anyway, it's just annoying to me when people bitch about technology like it wasn't inevitable. The second computers were created, this path was inevitable. Just like the automation of just about every other industry. On the bright side, handmade things, like they always have, will be considered a luxury novelty. They'll really have to pour their heart into it, and it'll show. None of this corporate garbage claiming to be passion projects. The divide between assembly line products and human made products will be all the more clear, I propose.

>>717914192
>Shut the fuck up
no
>Kind of ironic if you think about it, this wasn't made with AI
i'm not saying it was
>it's just annoying to me when people bitch about technology like it wasn't inevitable
>stop complaining about the torment nexus, it was inevitable!
it sucks
it's also not just an issue in and of itself so much as proof of cattles' fixation with soulless mindnumbing temporary mass produced entertainment, it's just another step up from those baby songs on youtube wherein humanity was removed even further

you seem to have moved on to supposedly mocking AI, implying you don't actually worship it, it's just inevitable, garbage even haha it'll just make real art more valuable haha... but you love it, you marvel at banal imagery and strange gyrating and pulsating pictures of ugly things filling your screen
you're a soijakker, it's what your whole religion is built on, you have nothing else
if you did you wouldn't be a soijakker

>>717914450
Okay now you're just going off on a schizo rant. I guess I'm just arguing with a bot, limited response pool.
A real person understands the fun in a toy in the novelty it brings.

3D gaming? Not soon. Fortunately, LLMs can be used to give new life to theater of mind tabletop games such as anything not-D&D related.

>>717914858
> on a schizo rant. I guess I'm just arguing with a bot, limited response pool.
Pick a cope and stick with

>>717914450
youre (you specifically) already in the torment nexus. what are you worried about?

>>717913191
>thing I don't like is... le shit
Second most retarded "argument" after
>person I don't like is... le Hitler

>>717915878
i always wondered why people get so angry about the topic of specific metaphors
like who are the retards who get angry at "aaaa it's a food analogy!" or "he said poo that's bad!"

i think i finally realized why
these people don't understand what a metaphor is or what its purpose is, they just see words they recognize and their simple brain latches onto them and them alone and foregoes all the connective words and comparisons since those are nonphysical concepts low IQ people cannot into

>>717916076
Likely some lack of abstract reasoning. Probably the same kind of monkey that thought all of this censorship was good because it supposedly "protected the children from coomers". They bought it at face value because they can't think in deeper context. That's why they are so easily beguiled.

Every supposed luddite or person talking down on the technology is actually a selfish AI user that wants to keep the hand tipped in his favor. You all know that, right? It's worth repeating.

>>717914159
the problem with your analogy is collecting material/experiences and then squeezing them back out is how human artists work as well.

>>717916671
>luddite
is that the word AI fags attach to now? lol even their insults aren't new or creative

>>717916968
My analogy proposes that some things are inherently not inviting to certain people
AI will never make anything good not due to a limitation of AI but rather the very nature of AI, in that it's antithecal to creativity and noxious to the most creative people, asking "why can't AI make anything good" is forgetting that nobody who can make anything good will use AI, and it inherently appeals to those who can't, as an inherent trait of its being

The metaphor presents a comparison to a similar scenario where those who can best use something won't use it because it most appeals to those who cannot

>>717917126
>people won't use it because they won't use it and it won't make anything good because it won't make anything good

wow

>>717917267
Do you struggle with reading comprehension? I'm genuinely asking, I know it's frustrating to read a sentence and not quite get it but you don't have to disagree with me just for the sake of getting mad and disagreeing, even if you didn't quite get it
You can ask for clarification and then see if you agree or disagree with my assertion

>>717917445
>has circular logic pointed out
>goes full cognitive dissonance

yep.

>>717917559
Alright, I apologize, I thought you actually wanted to discuss this but I guess you're just so locked into your "I'M RIGHT YOU'RE WRONG I'M NOT OWNED" ritual that you literally cannot hear anything I say even if you could comprehend it

Alright alright, you win I suppose, if it makes you feel better
Run along now

luddites never post images any more because they just kept getting turned into cat girls

>>717917445
>ai can't make coherent images
>ai can't do hands
>ai can't do animations
>ai can't do coherent animations
>ai can't do long coherent animations
>ai can't do anything good because good people won't use it because it only appeals to bad people who won't make anything good

wish i had a full list of these

>>717917882
the last point always stood, the previous ones were made by retard NPCs who were always going to get into it if it ever "got good" or retards who only hate it cause ecelebs told em to but don't know why

anyone with a brain always said it's not about the tech it's about the fact that AI itself is soulless

>>717914159
right but if the view expressed by the analogy is in question then so too is the analogy, by communicative property, now on the specified level of validity and security. i just abstracted that logical step out of my statement, sorry you couldn't keep up.

>>717918054
its just the newest cope bro.

>Worshipping AI
Literal cattle

>>717917126
maybe i can give you an analogy.

cattle slop food is inherently not appealing to people. but with modern marketing techniques people purchase eat and enjoy breakfast cereals. i think they sold spoiled milk for a while because people came to like it after a while.

so your notion of an inherent preference is, as always, undercut by the notion of revealed preference, something which most people have very little control over.

so you can't say that AI will reliably be detected as shit every single time, even if it is shit, which also isn't clear

>>717917848
>present analogous argument
>flaws are pointed out in your analogy
>y-you're just locked into y-your "i'm right you're wrong i'm not owned" ritual!

lol

>>717915878
Monkey.

>>717917126
this is just such an indian-brained argument, lol. the belief in caste is so baked into this guys head. he thinks there are superior creatives out there, call them "brilliants" perhaps, who are responsible for the aesthetic spirit, who are guided by their inherent brahmin nature away from shit. but the obsession with shit itself reveals the true origin of the author's belief system, every time.

>>717918054
>>717917882
The idea that AI won't be able to create something good because the human condition is beyond it's reach is probably completely false.
Everything you are, love and care about is calculable.
We'll see through it all and will bring you such joys

It'll never improve gaming because any game with AI has a negative impact on its sales. The smaller the game, the more damning it is too.
Retards think they can use AI voices or use AI art and nobody would notice and it always comes back to bite them in the ass. Same with AI "coders" who then need someone to look over their vibes and correct everything from the ground up, at best saving no time and at worst, taking twice as long as it normally would.
You'll get your little images and easy website summaries, but it'll never have a proper use in gaming.

How much longer do I have to hear about how AI is totes gonna make everything better from a bunch of faggot retards?

>>717918568
>indian-brained
yeah i'm not reading past this, save the reddit tier obsession for reddit

>>717918746
you could've just said yes

>>717917005
If you hear that or "anti" you know you're dealing with an asspained reddit faggot

>>717918746
lmfao busted, jeet. you probably look like the guy bolly dancing for his new white boss

reminder - analogies aren't arguments, nor are the premises for arguments. they're heuristics used to help figure an argument to one who doesn't understand it.

>>717918894
>tranny said something stupid, owned ai-fags

to a sane person, the gibberish you posted is on the same level as that e=mc2 + ai nonsense.

>>717912169 (OP)
When someone figures a way to get an AGI functioning for a VN / life-sim. Ciel No Surge already exists and there isn't a single facet of the premise that AI wouldn't improve on the day-to-day interactions.

>Only noticeable effect AI had so far on gaming was cheap remasters with garbled unreadable upscaled text on textures
Even Nintendo are doing this now, it's insane. I saw this in Mario 3D All-Stars the other day. There are similar examples in Mario Kart World too.

>>717918664
egosoft is using a lot of AI in X4 and seem to be doing quite well. sure as fuck better than whatever voice actors they could afford.

>>717918894
>>717919164
well it's true that progressives tend to use the same ("analogous") arguments to advance the causes of industrialization and desacralization in whatever sphere they find themselves in, whether the arts or sexuality.

>>717913191
FPBP

>>717917126
>very nature of AI, in that it's antithecal to creativity and noxious to the most creative people
This is a cope. You vastly overestimate how much people will care about "muh human creativity" aka artists making money and not losing their jobs.
Nobody cared about the seamstresses, coal miners, railroad workers, typists, cashiers, factory workers, even though they all said the same thing as you. Won't care about reddit artists either.
This happens every time there is a major new technology. Some will bitch for a while that they will only buy from humans, but most will quickly realize it is easier and a lot less bullshit to deal with especially considering what snobby assholes most of the artist types are.
The complainers will shrink until it is too small a group for any companies to give a shit about. Just like the people who complain about smartphones, privacy, credit cards, etc.
Only difference here is that "the future" isn't on Reddit's side this time so they are getting to be the ones seething and wanting to go back for a change. They will quickly realize how powerless their protesting suddenly is when they are opposite corporate and government interests.

>>717917882
>TOKEN PREDICTORS WON'T STAGNATE, BECAUSE... THEY JUST WON'T
I also thought video games wouldn't stagnate like they did in 2013, yet here we are, playing PS5 games that are barely different from PS4 games, with each console generation lasting 7-8 years instead of 5 while bringing less and less innovation each time.