Thread 717918986

@Grok what's the best way to start a 4chan thread about MMORPGs?

Post that one tier list that has dofus at the top. I guess that one particular anon got bored but you could always inherit the torch.

i recently went on a bender of looking for the best large scale pvp mmo and my resounding conclusion is....

they are all fucking terrible and suck cock

details of my journey below if you care to read my findings

tried gw2, throne and liberty, albion, bdo, warhammer return of reckoning, dark age of camelot

bdo's player controller, animations, and the feel of combat was fucking INCREDIBLE but its like the game doesnt even want you to play it. the amount of enchanting, menus, more menus, travelling, convoluted shit you have to do just to even get the chance to participate in pvp, which ends up being time gated behind a specific schedule and requires insane gear and worst of all, is laggy as fuck and full of desyncs. so close.

I will say, i respected albions simplicity and how quickly they toss you into the world, but the combat feels very budget, fishing was also a comfy way to build up funds to fuel your next pvp fight, but unfortunately, pairs ganking along roads was downright unbeatable and ruined the game. too many times, pairs of mexican kids would just wait in the trees with a faster horse than me and run me down and beat my ass, no chance of escape and the combat system didnt allow for any sort of skill expression to reasonably outskill them. i could neither do the equivalent of headshots to take them out fast, nor were there sufficient defensive/evasive options to skillfully deflect evade or parry their attacks, you'd just get fucked if people decided it was time for you to be ambushed

i love the communities behind things like return of reckoning and dark age of camelot, but those combat systems are the most bland boring auto-cast auto lock on shit

is it really so hard for someone to just make something like bdo, except design wise they just immediately throw you into a foxhole type world where factions are battling over a persistent map? no bullshit convoluted systems, no scheduled pvp, decent netcode. why is this so hard?

>>717919649
oh and lastly, im currently trying throne and liberty but at a glance, i dont like the lack of build/class diversity, seems like everyone just uses the same 6 weapons and mixes and matches but that doesnt strike me as interesting and varied enough. also the community bitches about the game like fucking crazy which makes me think maybe its not even worth it?

combat feels decent enough and i like how the game feels like its trying to eventually nudge you toward pvp, but there must be a reason it flopped.

>>717918986 (OP)
Here are Grok's results

>>717919649
You will never experience it because you cannot anymore, but Archeage during Alpha and Beta is the peak of MMO PvP.

>Gliding from ships to ships
>under water scuba assaults
>bringing your ship onto land
>trade pack runs and steal
>making blockades demanding people pay tributes
>port battles
Goddamn it was so good. I wish the game never released and the p2w never got added ruining the game.

>>717919829
Oh my bad, I didn't include "Free"

>>717919938
Lost Ark is not good free nor is Warframe or Neverwinter.

I know nothing about Tower of Fantasy other than it's not an MMO.

COME MEET YOUR DOOM AT THE WALLS OF MY CASTLE

>>717919802
>there must be a reason it flopped
I got bored fast. The world is uninteresting.

I wish there was a renaissance of the old style of kMMO. Themes from those older games and the mascots and characters were all so charming. Happy upbeat music, cute blob mascots, bright colorful worlds often unique instead of bland medieval fantasy.
None of these are made today.

>>717919649
ive always wanted an mmo like foxhole but fantasy. so for example instead of artillery you have to get 2-3 mages to come together to cast spells with long timers. one to cast and fire the spell, one to act as a clairvoyant for sighting, one to reposition the group like a vehicle. instead of logi you have farmers, tailors for shirts and blacksmiths for gear.

>>717919938
>PSO2 NGS makes the top 10
That's how you know shit is truly bleak.

>>717919938
>>717919829
the fact that we're going to see this list for the next 10 years is really depressing ngl

>>717920236
well its not exactly what you want, BUT foxhole devs are working on a game called Anvil Empires. not so much fantasy, but moreso medieval, shields swords spears bows and arrows

>>717920016
>>717920487
I'm surprised DDO and LOTRO isn't on the list

>>717920614
Played the demo of that, it was kind of shit. The formula works much better with guns.

>>717920627
DDO is Dungeons and Dragons or Dragon's Dogma?
LotRO should be on the list though.
If my 25+ years of playing the genre has told me anything about MMO players.
All of us have shit taste and we love the taste of shit.

>>717920880
I meant DnD Online

>>717920880
>If my 25+ years of playing the genre has told me anything about MMO players.
>All of us have shit taste and we love the taste of shit.
true and real

>>717920614
Yeah it looks shit sadly. I also think it's never gonna release but if it does it'll fail too hard to ever hold a large enough pop to give the intended experience. Idk what the fuck they were thinking, all they had to do was foxhole with high fantasy mechanics.

My favorite MMO that has been dead since 2011 is better than your favorite MMO.

>>717918986 (OP)
I know most were shit
But I miss the days of Free to play MMOs coming out regularly
I used to watch MMOHuts to see what was coming out and would try all kinds of shit MMOs out (mostly Korean ones)

>>717920016
>warframe
>not good free
I'm MR20, generally carry about ~5k plat, and have everything I want in the game and I've spent $20 on it 6 or 7 years ago because I wanted a skin and didn't know how to grind my own plat at that time. You're either retarded or have never actually played the game, it has by far the most access for free players of any model on the market, to the point that you can easily grind more premium currency by playing for free than most whales would actually consider purchasing for real money. maybe turn down the suck there bud

>>717919938
>>717919829
>Albion Online
I just started playing it. It's pretty good.

>>717920763
FUCK thats disappointing. Looks like they need a more robust combat system or something. i think im seeing the meta looks really lame, just lump up into a ball and poke with spears

>>717918986 (OP)
AI orcdorf is holding his curved sword the wrong way

>>717921231
its good but just wait until you are carrying decent gear/loot and two hispanic kids decide you are their next target on the roads and they have a horse that is twice the speed of yours and they both beat the shit out of you and there's nothing you can do

>>717921367
I'm two week in and I've already been doing lots of PvP in 4.1 gear. You win some and you lose some. Just stick to the solo/duo content if you can't handle the blackzone.

>>717921367
Play the mists

>>717921308
No kind of medieval combat system would make it fun, the game needs the potential for small coordinated groups to make plays in a fight that change the dynamic of the active frontline and allow the rest to shove on more individual levels and make their own plays. A lucky artillery strike, a good series of smokes, the small partisan group that struck from behind and takes heat off of the main force, etc. Can't have that when you need 30 melee players standing on top of each other to make a difference of any kind.

>>717918986 (OP)
>play vanilla wow pserver
>dont talk to anyone, do a few dungeons
>read quests dont look up anything
>take in the atmosphere and see other players just doin their own shit
it's a pretty comfy game

>>717921882
Might as well set up SPP with bots at that point

>>717921882
>see other players just doin their own shit
That doesn't really happen anymore.

>>717919938
How the fuck is AQ 3D there?
That game has been dead for ages now

>>717922038
The power of an in-game Breaking Benjamin concert
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCV-UMCnHtk&list=RDNCV-UMCnHtk&start_radio=1

>>717921114
if it was good free you wouldn't have spent money

Do you think Blizzard would lose money if they made the game f2p for all expacs except the newest one? Or at least give a bunch of old expacs free? In my mind, the vast majority of people still subbing are either lifers who are maxed and care about progression raiding or those who play Classic. Those people would still need to continue subbing, but maybe they'd get some new people who might eventually sub or buy MTX shit.

>>717922307
>lead poisoning

>>717922542
making it f2p would destroy the game

>>717919938
>>717919829
Pretty fucking grim

>>717923102
>not a single game released this decade

Okay anons. I'll give you one to try, but its only for those who give a shit about old school RP. If you didn't play on a RP server and just want to see numbers go up, didn't play Ultima games etc... it may not be your type of title.
>Shroud of the Avatar: Forsaken Virtues
Spiritual successor to UO, but in 3D. Yes there is non instanced housing, and a story campaign that has to do with virtues and other Ultima things. Lord British and Darkstarr were both involved with its development. Had it not been for COVID19 and Lord British getting rooked into some sort of NFT MMO project which has since failed (I'm told he's showed up on an occasional livestream again like the old days).

The game has some unique mechanics, though aesthetically its limited especially at the start. Stuff like how NPCs you don't know are just named
>A City Guard
until you talk to them, with a text/keyword based system that lets you ask them their name and then they'll show up as
>Guard Johnston
There's also mechanics to allow you to create books, audio files, and even broadcast or listen to internet radio streams (shoutcast/icecast support) as Aetheric Transmissions, and a music playing system which can be both scripted/prefab or played live. Player housing is considerable. You can take off a set of armor, craft a armor display stand for it, put the armor on the stand, and then put it in the corner of your room, or hang your sword on the wall with an inscription "The Girthy Sword I used to Kill The Annoying Dragon" that others can see etc.

I've not played much in the last few months but was thinking of starting a new character. One of my other ones owned a medium sized plot of waterfront land (you need special deeds to claim land, and being able to claim land in an official town, as opposed to a player owned city, is rarer; waterfront even rarer) and I put up an "inn" type house on it, letting other players live in rooms there etc.

The best MMO is whatever the /vm/ doods are playing that month

>>717925363
I tried to play with those guys for a few games.
They're way toooo clique oriented. Can't log in for one day or can't get into a party for something and they just abandon you.
Very fake friendly people.

>>717919649
GW2 RvR was a stillborn, neglected mess. TAL, another NCsoft cashgrab, has been stillborn in its entirety. Albion is okay-ish, but isometric. BDO is spiritually korean P2W grindfest. WAR has died ever since its garbage management started powertripping shortly from t3 onwards (banning entire guilds over petty shit) and has ever since done everything in its power to ruin the core gameplay and balance. DAoC is okay, but pretty outdated in every aspect other than design depth of RvR -- it's hard to get into if you haven't played it during its peak.

>>717924813
I bought this game as soon as it hit steam. I've gone through 3 PCs since and I try to play the game about once a year.
It crashes so often it's not worth playing.

>>717926328
Crashes? Do you have problems with any other games running Unity engine? I don't think I've ever had it crash except the one time I was trying to shortcut through what at the time was the intro/training thing and it wasn't set up for that.

The best MMO is the single player MMO, Erenshor.
>>717925363
Disappointing if you want to experience the games for themselves. That ingroup mostly plays anime games and only gets together to take screenshots, They focus on separate movie and minigame nights too.

>>717919829
Maplestory Classic cant come soon enough

im just playing digimon mmo (super rumble)
is it good? probably not, but its comfy grinding and i like my digimons

>>717918986 (OP)
they're all pretty bad. they sacrifice too much to be the "everything" game, while specialty games will do their niche better. like how pvp in d2 used to be fun, pvp in wow used to be fun, and then dota/lol/hon released and dota was no longer gatekept behind wc3 and mobas surged in popularity and killed both RPG and RTS pvp.
>>717919829
see, all old games, and if you've already left them because they weren't interesting to you, they have not changed.
>>717919938
some of these aren't even MMOs, or just have generous free trials and aren't actually F2P. but still, same note as above about nothing ever changing.

>>717918986 (OP)
Grok, GPT, Ollama, Deepseek, Gemini. which one is best? Fuck Claude because he a bitch for fumbling pokemon red.

I'm waiting for the Mabinogi graphics overhaul

>>717927421
Why are you waiting?
All progress is carried over, you could make big gains now and huger gains selling crap to idiots.

>>717927582
Because I want to experience it from the beginning with the new look.
I guess I could make a new character or something when it happens

>>717918986 (OP)
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1277920/Ethyrial_Echoes_of_Yore/
Going to shill this for my fellow runesloppers. Big draw of this game is it has 23 swappable classes as well as the usual profession grinding.

Sega could literally remake PSO ep 1,2, and 4 and put it on the switch 2 as well and they would print money. PSO1 is still one of the best games ever made

>>717928007
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3454650/BitCraft_Online/
This is also a good runescaper.
Combat isn't quite in the game yet but lots of afk skill grinding to do.
I really enjoy trading between cities. Haven't settled down just walk between towns sellin goods. It's fun and relaxing.

>>717919649
>>717919802
tnl is like lineage 2, and I think that's free now so that might interest you, although it looks dated.
you could also check out new world. they've changed a lot but it used to be about big guild fights over territory control, and that seems to be the kind of game you're looking for.
personally I find pvp in MMOs to be a fucking trainwreck in all cases and would rather play
>wow (arenas)
so convoluted, requires extensive game knowledge, the right addons, is a scripted rock paper scissors event, and is plagued by boosters.
>wow (battlegrounds)
too casual. gw2 probably has better battlegrounds too.
>wow (open world)
boring as shit. same problem that you faced in albion. open world pvp is fucking dogshit in every game. 0 competition, can boost your ego I guess by shitstomping somebody into the ground, but likely it will be you getting camped or having your other tasks interrupted when you're not in the mood for it.
you want to level up? sorry there's a thirdie here!
you want to farm some rocks? sorry there's a thirdie here!
you want to travel from A to B? sorry there's a thirdie here!

and the problem with most of the non-wow games is the p2w, which cool if that's your thing go for it.
the only thing missing from the esports games with vastly superior pvp, is the large scale stuff that you're looking for, but in my experience they just devolve into who has more aoe spells to cast and there's no room for skill expression. pretty boring to me, but eh.

also you should keep an eye on ashes of creation, it might do what you're looking for but it's still years away from being released.

>>717920627
people sleep on LOTRO. if the UI scaled up to 4k properly I would play it.
DDO was pretty clunky but I remember it having the same UI scaling issue as LOTRO, and I never played it when I was on 1080p so I didn't feel like struggling through that to learn it.

>>717928408
I would not keep an eye on ashes of creation.
Just ignore it until its out. Don't fall for the scam.
I've played the alpha 2 it's incredibly mid as is.

Wish I wasn't neurotic, so I could make friends.

>naruto hidden village faction based pvp game (3 way world pvp)
why the FUCK didnt anyone tell me about this

>>717928761
Never heard of this

>>717928532
keeping an eye on a game doesn't mean buying into the alpha. it just means watch an updates video once in a while, check out a stream once in a while.

>>717919829
NOOOO WOWSISTERS HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN

>>717928991
I need to sit down...

>>717928826
Its actually wild how good it is for how niche of a mmo it is, so far

A lot of MMOs are designed to be cash grabs
which is why I avoid all PVP style games, because why the fuck would I buy into a system in which you, the person making the money, decide how much fun I can have by how much money I've spent.

>>717919260
It is the best mmo though

>>717928991
nobody cares about wow or ziv. take that shit back to >>>/vg/

>>717920880
LOTRO was just a very slow single player grindfest when I tried. The setting/vibe was extremely comfy but what is really the appeal

>>717929858
Imagine if WoW and FFXIV didn't suck.

Eve and Albion (actual PvP MMOs) aren't like that because full-loot PvP keeps credit card players in check. Full-loot PvP solves so many problems.

>>717930061
Except Albion is literally dominated by whales, even with it's full lootness.

>>717929924
wow has sucked for 95% of its life and ffxiv has always sucked, kind of hard to imagine that

>>717928007
I was there for the nuclear disaster launch...

>>717930137
It's hard to imagine they suck because they do suck?
Damn your brain is mess, can't even picture reality.

The only time mmo pvp is fun is the first week or so of launch when the majority of people are still figuring things out. As soon as min/max builds start circulating, it's over.

>>717930293
read what i replied to retard-kun

>>717930121
How do you even whale in this game? Do you buy 8.4 sets for your entire guild?

>>717930121
Basically swipe and then swipe some more, sit on 8.4 gear and when you die swipe and get more 8.4 and just run around black zones and kill others. Join a guild that requires whaling and then you and your fellow 8.4 swiping whales can do the same. SwoleBenji honestly has the best write up on Albion to the point the ex CEO hates his guts. SwoleBenji is the most hated youtuber by the devs themselves.

>>717931379
I remember Jammku aka SwoleBenji. Everyone hates that faggot.

>>717931379
swolebenji is hated in every community he tries to join.

>>717931379
Every "full loot" or even "hardcore open PVP" , especially without massive game systems designed to unfuck griefer bullshit, fails. Same for a lot of other games where people can corner the market on resources/land etc. Any game designed that most of the players are basically there just to ooh and ahh over the players at the top danging shit they can never get, dies off in time. Many shittier devs simply try to milk it for all its worth by the time it does.

There are very, very few games that have even tried to build systems that can control griefers, not let people get too far ahead of others, manage economics in a way that's viable etc..and most aren't successful or end up getting their heads filled with the desires of the raiders/hardcore PVPers or other niche players and listening to them means it drives everyone and everything else away, which means more dependence on this group, and down the spiral goes.

>>717921114
If you know what you are doing you can mostly catch up to the thousands of hours of grinding in 2 weeks and never pay anything.
Not an MMO though. Nothing is any more. It's all sectioned off content for 4-5 people. Fucking bizarre server quality managed to plumet through 2 decades of technological advances.

>>717930589
You first retard.