I just can't get over how the game gives you up to 14 energy tanks, 4 supply tanks 2 suits that both double your HP, has energy refills in every zone, every other room has those little geysers that infinitely spawn weak trashmobs to top off your health and ammo quickly, and every single enemy in the game drops a huge amount of health and resources.

It's actually almost impossible to die outside of bossfights unless you really try and just sit there and facetank enemies for minutes on end without shooting.

Not even one single (non-boss) enemy or hazard in the game poses any threat whatsoever to the point that they exist solely as an extremely minor inconvenience, like a harmless gnat just buzzing around you.

It just kills the entire game. What's the fucking point? It's like you're playing with invincibility cheat on at all times.

It's not even an exaggeration to say that around 98% of this game is just a walking sim, a glorified cutscene, where there is zero challenge and zero stakes, and it requires zero thought, skill, strategy, or focus from the player. You just wander around scanning every tile of every room, and all the enemies, hazards, and most of the bosses might as well not even be there because they add nothing except the slightest bit of inconvenience.

Super Metroid and Super Mario 64: two dogshit overrated games hyped up by zoomer retards as masterpieces because their favorite eceleb faggot made some speedtrooning video about them.

>>717939173 (OP)
>>717939447
>t. samefag projecting zoomer retard

bot thread

>>717939173 (OP)
>Game powers you up throughout
>Reach endgame
>HOLY SHIT REGULAR MOBS ARE TRASH

You'd die to the goddamn Chozo statue

>>717939173 (OP)
how about challening yourself and not picking everything up.
phantoon will happily fuck your ass.

>>717941402
I already beat the game retard. Even after a single energy tank or suit upgrade, the enemies and hazards cease to become even any danger whatsoever, and that happens less than 10 minutes in.

>>717941484
I only picked up about half of the shit in the game, and that was only what I found as I was looking for the critical upgrades. I died one time to Phantoon (one of only two bosses in the game where you can't just stand there and facetank while out-DPSing them). I don't really have complaints with (most) of the bosses, it's just that bosses are like 2% of the game, and the remaining 98% is a pisseasy pushover where you can't die even if you try.

>>717939173 (OP)
>What's the fucking point? It's like you're playing with invincibility cheat on at all times.
The game rewards you for completing it quickly; it's designed so that a skilled player won't be able to stop and heal or collect all the Energy Tanks if they want a good, but an unskilled or new player can if they want to. It's a game that is as hard or easy as you want to make it.

>>717942045
Even on low%, enemies, hazards, and traversal offer zero challenge or danger.

I understand what youre saying, which is why I dont have it that high or even in my top 10 anymore. Despite the ironic fact that like only 1 metroidvania is even better than it, despite how easy it should be to surpass it.

Also I disagree that the game requires zero thought. But anyway, if everything you said is a walking sim...then I have no problem. I like walking sims then.

It’s funny as shit how two people have posted about playing this for the first time recently. The first guy just asked for tips then said he was going to play the other games after he beat it, and this second guy has been going on an autistic rampage shitting on the game. The duality of man

>>717941484
what are they playing?
i hope it's f1 race and not tetris

Lava, those venus fly trap enemies, gold chozo towards the end of the game if you don't figure out their gimmick, metroids if you don't figure out there gimmick. Also beginners to the genre are more likely to complain about the game not being linear enough but I like that it gives you options to explore different routes. Makes each playthrough potentially unique the first few times for item collection

>>717939173 (OP)
>zoomer
>"I can die in a game!?"
>"Well THAT's bad game design!!!"
>"The developers should tell me exactly what to do, where to do it, when to do it, show me the exact same scenes and enemies and visual effects and sound effects and music effects and everything should be exactly the same that everyone else experiences and also it shouldn't be too long (like, a couple minutes TOPS) and also should be free!"
>"I HATE PLAYING VIDEO GAMES!"
We're allowed to report this type of thread on this forum, right?

>>717942231
>Despite the ironic fact that like only 1 metroidvania is even better than it
Which game?

>>717942872
>>"I can die in a game!?"
>>"Well THAT's bad game design!!!"
Are you illiterate? Super Metroid is bad precisely because it's essentially impossible to die naturally outside of bossfights.

>>717939447
metroid was god tier. mario 64 was great but also kind of shit and didn't age well imo.

>>717939173 (OP)
Perfectly balanced against the timer for the game. The quicker you complete the game, the better ending (score) you get. Collecting items makes the game easier but penalizes your time.

It's a very dynamic difficulty which is what makes the game great, you can throughly explore everything for a complete set of equipment but you'll spend a lot of time doing so, or you can try and rush the bosses to get a better time. It's like a natural difficulty slider built into the gameplay that suitably rewards those who play well.

>>717942923
there isn't one, but given that this is /v/eddit i can safely assume he's talking about hollow trannight

Curious. >>717927606

>>717939173 (OP)
Here, try this game. It's exactly what you're looking for.
https://metroidconstruction.com/hack.php?id=837

>>717943015
>"I have to balance RISKS!?"
>"FUCK THIS GAME AND EVERYONE WHO ISN'T ME!"
>"I'm going to go watch someone else watch something I've already watched, for 40 seconds, now."
Not just report posts, but posters, too? Like, ban them?

>>717943116
Even in low%, the traversal, enemies, and hazards are absolutely braindead easy and the bosses are the only thing that pose any challenge, and even for that, you just learn their moveset and they are a pushover. The issue is 98% the game is an absolute pushover joke that provides not even the slightest bit of challenge.

So basically your advice is
>ignore vast majority of the game and sprint past everything so you can play a really shitty bossrush, with 5 minutes of mediocre bosses and an hour of mindless traversal filler with zero stakes or challenge aside from going fast

Speedtrooning has absolutely destroyed all fucking discourse about any game because it doesn't matter if the game is boring, pisseasy, poorly designed, unbalanced, it's just
>DOOD, MAKE YOUR OWN FUN!! YOU CAN'T CLAIM A GAME IS EASY WITHOUT THE WR SPEEDRUN TIME!!!

>>717943714
Then play a different game since this one is obviously not for you. I might as well complain about the existence of sports games since I don't like them.

>>717939173 (OP)
Yeah it's not that hard. I could beat it as a child. It's really good though. If I played it right now I'd probably die a few times on my way to the end. Very fun game would do it again.

There's a million ways you could turn this into some uber hard soulslike speed run dicksucking contest if you want to you faggot

>>717943714
And so basically your advice is "don't play without me," got it!
You're an attention-whore!

>>717943652
balancing risks? What fucking risks? Even in low%, enemies, traversal, and hazards pose zero challenge or risk whatsoever.

Bosses (like 2% of the game) are the only thing that poses any risk whatsoever, and that's if, and only if, you go out of your way to ignore all the powerups in the game, even those you naturally find while searching for critical items. The bossfights aren't even good, most people actually don't even enjoy them, so you essentially have a really shitty bossrush, with five minutes of actual bossfights and an hour of braindead filler in between.

>>717943906
Horrible comparison.

Souls has a massive amount of weapons, magic, and equipment to choose from, tons of way you can approach the levels, and an absurd amount of self-imposed challenges. However, they actually have genuinely great bossfights (far more and far better than Super Metroid), as well as fantastic and challenging level design where even a leveled up player can very easily die due to a mistake. It's not like Super Metroid where enemies deal practically no damage and the game just showers you in health pickups. Also, Souls are still very hard fucking games when played normally, whereas Super Metroid requires a specific low% playstyle of ignoring vast majority of shit in the game to be even remotely challenging, and even then only a few bossfights pose any challenge while everything is a total mindless pushover.

>>717943714
>ignore vast majority of the game and sprint past everything
You really can't just ignore or sprint past everything if you're actually going fast, given that you'll be constantly colliding with shit with how claustrophobic the average room is and constantly losing momentum and getting knocked back and forth or even falling into traps and pitfalls. You need to time shots to clear things out of the way and time jumps well while constantly maintaining run speed. This is not anywhere near as easy as you make it out to be and it does not rely on any speedtroon tricks, just playing well.
I can only conclude you are going slow as shit and calling yourself fast, then calling anyone faster than you a speedtroon as if there's nothing in between.
>just make your own fun
You act like we're making a minigame in the game instead of just telling you to play the gamer smoother and faster if you want to find it more rewarding. You can walk through Mario games too and hit every block and collect every powerup provided you beat the timer. skipping unnecessary pickups isn't "low%". Games are what you make of them and you've decided to play at the level of an 8 year old and complain that it's not satisfying as an adult.

>>717944402
>What fucking risks?
You seem fixating on Super Metroid's risks, Anon. You won't shut up about them, and that you know game design better than its developers.

>>717945121
I mean the game was designed for lowest common denominator casual retards who hate any bit of action or platforming challenge and who love sitting there like a dickhead checking every single tile of every single room to see which tiles are destructible. I guess they knew their audience well.

Oh wait, all the games flopped and the series is dead, maybe not..

Is this one of those ACfag threads I've heard about?

>>717944781
>hello kitty island adventure is actually really hard because to speedrun it you have to do these frame perfect tricks and make these extremely precise movements
this is how stupid you sound. No one fucking cares about how the braindead wading through tunnels with copypasted trashmobs is actually hard if you're going for a WR speedrun time.

kys speedtranny.

>You act like we're making a minigame in the game instead of just telling you to play the gamer smoother and faster if you want to find it more rewarding.
No, you fucking retard, I only found what was in the way to trying to find critical progression related shit, and found about 50% of the items in the game. It was still an absolute fucking joke my first time through blind.

I have zero interest in replaying "except this time with slightly less health!!!!"... It's not just about a couple energy tanks, the game is like orders of magnitude easier than it should be for everything outside of bossfights. I did not die a single time outside of a boss fight and I was just bruteforcing through shit mindlessly without a care. Nothing in this game matters, it's like that Big Rigs game where you can just phase through the terrain; you do the same shit in Super Metroid, you just mindlessly waltz past enemies, face tank lava, a missed platform only means you waste like 10 seconds, you just stand there mashing missile and out DPS the boss, the game showers you in health while you're not even looking or caring about your health bar. It's just a fucking joke.

You know that you can play through super metroid without picking up 99% of power ups, right? You've never played it, you just saw redditors bashing it and now you make garbage threads like this, that's all of the zoomershit subhumans that inhabit this board now do.

>>717939173 (OP)
this fucking prompt puker using chatGPT to troll lmao

>>717942314
That was me! I made threads called 'My First Super Metroid Playthrough'.

It's become one of my fave games of all time. I keep seeing threads for it all the time on here now of someone complaining about it and I think they're being made by just one person.

>>717945904
anon it's a childrens game from 30 years ago. people had a limited supply of games back then so they played what they had and got good at them after multiple playthroughs.

>>717945921
Hey retard, try reading even a single post in the thread, I've already addressed this a dozen times.

On the contrary, you have to specifically go *out of your way* to avoid every single non-mandatory powerup in the entire game just to make the game even remotely difficult, and even that only applies to bossfights (about 2% of the game), traversal, platforming, and hazards (the other 98% of the game) are always pisseasy regardless of how many powerups you have.

>>717945373
And they provide hundreds of solutions for you; some difficult to apply, some difficult to avoid!
>NO!
>I demand to be told what to do
>where to do it
>when to do it
>and if ANYONE experiences anything different, EVERYONE ELSE is WRONG!
2025.

>>717946626
>hundreds of solutions
>such as
>pick up generic, pointless, copy-pasted missile upgrade #45 or don't
you are truly fucking retarded

I already said I beat the game blind in a single day on original hardware with no outside help. You don't get lost nearly as much as people say, and there were very few parts where it's not obvious where to go next.

Still though, the backtracking, memorization of exact door layouts, and constant methodically checking every tile of every room quickly became tiresome. It's just a really easy and mindless game.

>>717946951
>I beat the game blind in a single day on original hardware with no outside help.
same actually, started playing friday afternoon and stayed up almost all night playing it. i was 8 years old at the time but still remember it, shit was kino.

>>717946951
>GUYS!
>LISTEN TO ME!
>I HATE HATE HATE being given choices!!!
>This game should be EXACTLY THE SAME, TO EVERYONE, EVERY TIME I PLAY IT!!!!!!!
>And if I play it (NOT THAT I DO, BTW), then I'm right.
>No
>Matter
>What
"This is easy!" Then don't reward yourself.
"This is hard!" Then hoard your resources.
"I have OPTIONS!?" Yes.
"WHAT TERRIBLE GAME DESIGN, I HATE THIS AND YOU'RE WRONG."

>>717947285
what part can you not understand retard:

98% OF THE GAME IS ALWAYS FUCKING EASY EVEN IF YOU DELIBERATELY IGNORE EVERY SINGLE POWERUP IN THE ENTIRE FUCKING GAME

REGARDLESS OF POWER LEVEL, THE BOSSFIGHTS ARE ALWAYS LIKE 50x HARDER THAN TRAVERSAL (but still overall easy, not enjoyable, and not designed particularly well)

>dude just play blindfolded and romhack the game to permanently be at 1 HP, problem solved
You are so fucking stupid it's unreal.

I hate the controls in this game
floaty physics are shit

>>717947776
Floaty controls done well are great, see Cave Story.

Metroid just feels like shit because the level design is at odds with the floaty controls, you constantly have to alternate between extreme ends of the jump range (tapping for a fraction of a second and holding for 2+ seconds), and you are constantly bonking your head on shit.

>>717947593
>You're not listening to me scream!
>98% of my complaints are just me stating an shallow and immature opinion!
>And 98% of my screaming is substantiated IF...
>IF!!
>Even I understand how opinions and argumentation operates, and even I (though, apparently, unconsciously) recognize my opinion is both shallow and futile by including A MOTHERFUCKING CONDITIONAL that requires other people to ignore all of my complaints!!
>And I'M the ONLY one who can be right!! Other opinions AREN'T ALLOWED!! >:(
This is your last (You) from me, kiddo.

>>717939173 (OP)
Video games have changed a lot in 32 years...

>>717947593
it's a 30 year old childrens game. you unironically gaslit yourself into thinking it was going to be some darksouls epic struggle or some shit.

>>717948115
This.

>>717947939
>muh conditional
you dense fucking moron, I am saying even in the most extreme scenario designed to make the game as HARD as possible, traversal is STILL piss-easy. Even in the furthest extreme in favor of your argument, that you have to go well out of your way to achieve, it STILL doesn't apply.

In other words:

>98% OF THE GAME IS ALWAYS FUCKING EASY REGARDLESS OF ANY CONTEXT, PLAYSTYLE, OR CONDITIONALS
There, happy now, you fucking illiterate retard?

>>717948115
I wasn't expecting some epic struggle, just to actually be required to engage with the game's combat, platforming, and hazards in some way. Outside of its bosses (which are only a tiny percentage of the game), Super Metroid is literally like the easiest action game in the entire SNES library.

>>717939173 (OP)
>>717939447
It was a good game then, it's still a good game now.

>>717948396
thats not the games fault, you need to come to terms with the fact that you are literally that good.

>717948228
He's right. He's not ignoring you, you're ignoring everyone else.

>>717948228
>>717948524

>>717948405
It's a "good" game meaning like a 6/10 at best, I agree. But massively overrated and nowhere near the best SNES games, let alone the top games of all time. Still far better than Hollow Shite though.

>>717948501
You still don't understand.

Take ALTTP, a game that launched three years earlier, mind you. Even if you don't think ALTTP is all that difficult (I personally think it's more in-line with NES games difficulty than SNES games), the point is you still have to actually engage with the game, pay attention, take things slow, respect enemies, know your spacing, learn dungeon layout routing, etc. It's an actual fucking video game in other words.

In Super Metroid, none of that is true. It's near impossible to die unless you deliberately just stand there for minutes on end. Even if you facetank every single enemy and hazard in the game, you will still never die or even come close to it, as the game constantly floods you with HP upgrades and refills. So that means that only like two bosses (the ones where you can't just mindlessly facetank them while spamming missiles and out DPS them) require any bit of engaging with the game and actually using skill, strategy, or focus. The remaining 98% of the game might as well just be a walking sim, an extended cutscene.

What the fuck is wrong with X-Fusion's difficulty?
>New room
>SIKE! SA-X POPPEDINYOU'RE DEAD LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>reload like thirty fucking rooms away
and the controls got raped sideways, what the fuck is going on with the shinespark.
>Random two faggot fucking hopping mushroom bosses for no reason
>But reserve tanks refill so whatever
>Serris and Yakuza unchanged
>Varia suit blob boss is cool
>90% of the difficulty comes from shit off-screening you because 480p
>Lots of long sections between saves that ends in a gotcha trap or SA-X room, or a boss
>Missed a jump? enjoy dying 50 seconds later while cooking in lava pits or lava pits (electrified water)
>FUCKING NEGATIVE 273 C ICE ROOMS AND VARIA SUIT
>DUDE HELL RUN FUNY DO IT FOR 50 ROOMS WHILE FREEZING TO DEATH (you can't generate head because the room is at like -273 K or less fuck you)

Shit's all over the place. the schizo difficulty is ruining this great hack.

>>717948707
So play it on easy mode, pussy.
>he thinks serris and yakuza weren't changed
lol

>>717948707
>frozen hell run
dude, have you just been charging in blindly facetanking everything? proceed with caution. it's not the room that's -270°C, it's YOU that's -270°C because you keep absorbing cold X, you goddamn retard. stun them and move on.

>>717948707
filtered lmao

>>717939173 (OP)
I love the game but this isn't wrong, a lot of otherwise great SNES games had this issue of being extremely casualized. Similar for SMW, Chrono Trigger, etc. They'd all be much better games if they had some bite to them. After playing NES games and comparing I think the SNES started something like the first movie-game era. A lot of games became extremely pretty to show off the hardware (many holding up even today) but sacrificed gameplay depth.

In the case of SM, not only are the enemies extremely weak but they also have useless roles. For example, the floor crawler enemies were only obstacles in NEStroid because you couldn't shoot low enough to hit them. In SM they should not even exist.
In their defense I think most gamers back then were un-coordinated children, so this probably did match their audience well.

>>717939173 (OP)
>its so easy
>uses save states and constant reloads instead of dying while following a guide video to beat it

>>717949172
>run perfectly through the ice area
>pick a right because you're still on borrowed time
>lmao get rekt reset the ice run
yeah it's only the ice X that's the problem, not the retard map layout. Shit's as nonsensical as Other M's lava area.

>all those glitched SA-X sections
sadly I don't have precognition to see that I need to hit 3 missile blocks in a row and if I dare to fuck off that SA-X resets or if I rush I get stuck on said blocks, nevermind that bitch seeing me through the wall without X-Ray randomly.

>>717949830
already said I beat it blind on original hardware in a single day. Seethe harder though.

>>717950079
you are given advance warning when an SA-X is going to appear. every single time. stop running headfirst into the damn things.

>>717950813
This looks pretty fun.

>>717950079
It's no wonder games are so braindead simple these days if you're the type of person playing them

>>717939173 (OP)
No ninntendos stale crap is boring and always was. It's not even that great a game.

>>717939173 (OP)
>What's the fucking point? It's like you're playing with invincibility cheat on at all times.
It was for small children. Nintendo made children toys. Adults were on computers playinng games in the 80s, not a fucking NES/SNES and by 1993 this shit was unloved anyway, doom and wolfenstein had shipped along with the PS1 and PC, the SNES was dead a s a doornail by 1994, only literal retards even bought this game. It's hilarious becaus eit looks exactly like a Spectrum game from a decade earlier

>>717950813
doing this felt amazing.
>every single time
which is why that first SA-X in the Ice area right after thawing is a shit moment. Most players would be jumping and bombing shit trying to find out the secret of the room and then surprise ice beam. and freeze frame so the SA-X script can run.

>>717951163
And somehow the game is still going smoothly, unlike your retard brain, in case you didn't notice that I am simply pointing out the hiccups in the mod, you imbecile. Or are you going to point out the pointlessness of Yakuza or Serris and praise it as the second coming of christ?

>>717951428
>cries like a little baby bitch
>gets told
>n-nuh uh I actually love the game it's g-great you're the dumb one
weird play.

>>717951607
and you're illiterate, no less.

>>717951428
Let's hear it from the dev himself:
>Reminder : face tanking enemies or trying to brute force your way is never a good solution.
Stop being a fucking idiot. Play easy mode, it might be more your speed.

Yeah I played this game as a kid and loved it. As many have said, it's a child's game.

>>717942314
theres been tons of posts about it after zoomers discovered it from avgns recent vid