Thread 717942184

What's the video game equivalent to this?

DEY MAP NOW?

>>717942184 (OP)
Everything in ME3

>>717942184 (OP)
>The entire sequel trilogy is just stuff happening for no reason

>>717942184 (OP)
how is a combination ruler/dagger supposed to beat a light zauber?

>>717942468
You can't even really blame the 3rd movie for shitting the bed so much when you're dealing with a 3 movie series with different writers, zero pre-planning, and the writer of the 2nd movie specifically went out of his way to ruin and subvert as many plot hooks as possible from the first movie in some weird act of sabotage

>>717942184 (OP)
Astrobot winning VGA 2024

I dont think anything compares to this. Its honestly what got me to consider how some faggots even get hired in the movie industry. Thinking about it now doesnt even make me mad, it makes my brain feel like its melting.

im the spy

>>717942584
>zero pre-planning
why did they think this would work out

DEY 144hz

>a dagger just happens to match up perfectly to an event that hadn't happened yet
yeah? the jedi had a prophecy anakin would destroy the sith for god knows how many years before he was even born. the force shows people the future.

>>717942513
Anti-lightsaber material isn't new, it's just either in very rare and limited ore viens or made from beasts that are harder to kill than it's worth.

>>717942732
They assumed that the braindead consoomer whore star wars fanbase would buy literally anything that had the Star Wars logo stamped on it regardless of quality, and they were completely right.

The movie could have just been a still image of a middle finger for 3 hours and the fans would eat it up and buy middle finger toys to put in the back window of their car

>>717942732
Probably to copy the original trilogy, which also had zero pre-planning.

>>717942732
They didn't. Iger just wanted his check to come in immediately after dropping $4 billion.

I get they were trying to go for some Indiana Jones shit here but it was so poorly done, but then again all those movies are poorly done.

>>717942732
They had one of the most profitable properties and figured anything they do would be a huge success

>>717942924
>which also had zero pre-planning
that's not at all true though

>>717942184 (OP)
Mass Effect Andromeda

>>717942795
>vague prophecies are comparable to literal King's Quest puzzles

>>717942184 (OP)
FF8 amnesia

>>717942795
>palpy knew Vader would betray and kill him, his death star was gonna be destroyed, and the exact topography of the debris left behind by the ruins of his plans
>makes a knife instead of changing his plan even slightly

>>717942732
>>717942976
It did work out and was a huge success though

>>717943084
there are constant hints and mentions of the amnesia problem right from the very beginning of the game, though. It wasn't something random that came out of nowhere.
It's just subtle and presented in a way that you probably wouldn't pay much attention to except with hindsight

>>717942924
OT also had 3 years between movies with no retarded side stories to focus on resources , and a clear set of things Lucas was inspired by and wanted to emulate.

>>717942858
Except for that didn’t happen and the franchise is dead

>>717942795
What's stopping the dagger from being made after the death star exploded? Forging a dagger and inscribing runes onto it isn't hard.

>>717942584
RotJ worked even though ESB had a different director. Disney Wars will always be bad (so bad that they denounced their canon recently).

>>717942796
Cortosis isn't overly rare, it's just shit for literally anything other than fighting lightsabers. You wouldn't take cortosis weapons or armor to fight anything but a Jedi and even then you wouldn't use them without some idea of how to fight close combat with one because they're still Force gifted superhumans.

The first new movie was bad enough, I don't know how people sat through two more of them.

>>717943175
quite frankly commercial success is the thing I enjoy most about media

>>717943279
>RotJ worked even though ESB had a different director.
George still had his hands on everything though.

>>717943264
all three of the sequel trilogy movies are in the top 50 highest grossing films of all time

>>717943179
It really wasn’t. It just wasn’t in the English translation at all until the very end just before he actual big enemy is name dropped with no hint of her either.

>>717942732
Cuz le star wars
I though episode 7 sucked but could lead to something when but when Leeah got breath in space and flying powers I checked out. Haven't consoomed any sw media since then yet still know how awful op pic is.

>>717943384
>top 50

When you have to qualify a statement this hard you should know everyone can tell it’s meaningless.

>>717942732
When your target audience is 30 somethings who wear pajamas in public, play nintendo switch, and the outcome of their day depends on a visit of a fast food place, you can get away with a lot of things.

>>717943175
Sure in the short term. How is the long term working out?

>>717942468
>>717942732
>The Last Jedi takes place immediately after The Force Awakens
>Almost nothing plot wise carries over
This was fucking insane

>>717943317
Well I didn't say it was good or that I liked it, but the Star Wars manchild consoomers ate up the slop so objectively they did "succeed"

>>717943146
>plagueis knew palpatine would kill him but still thought he was immortal enough to survive it so he does nothing to try and change the future
>palpatine knows he cant change the future he has seen but he now knows the secret of immortality and knows he can survive it
>he literally returns from the dead to prove that point

>>717943290
Good lord what awful art, who reads this stuff

>>717943542
It's a success though, that means it's good.

>>717943384
And how are they now?

>>717943428
It's revealed early on that GF has side effects of causing amnesia
GF causing amnesia is also mentioned at other points in the game. If (you) didn't connect it at the time to the player character losing memories that's fine but it was still mentioned

>>717942795
>no guys you don't get it (retarded thing people mocked) isn't so bad because of (similiar retarded thing people mocked)
even then at least the prohecy shit was vague enough that it was up in the air, in this case its extremely specific

>>717942184 (OP)
Didn't watch Kathleen Kennedy wars, what is the reference?

>>717943428
>computer terminal you get your first two GFs from explicitly says GFS CAUSE MEMORY LOSS
>only Galbadia Garden doesn't use them
>the guy from Galbadia Garden is the only guy in the group who doesn't have memory loss

>>717942184 (OP)
Warcraft since shadowlands

>already have a perfect sequel series entirely made just waiting to be adapted
>decide to make a ripoff of Episode IV and a bunch of nonsensical stuff

>>717943689
They pulled a Goonies

I unironically enjoy Disney's nu-Wars despite its various attempts to successfully and not so successfully inject leftist identity politics in a series initially devoid of it.

>>717942184 (OP)
>blue filter
Battlefield 3

>>717943384
They made less and less and have destroyed the brand so hard that NOBODY on the planet cares about the current direction of SW anymore. Even the prequels couldn't do that.

>>717942987
Yeah, I'm sure luke and leia being siblings and the ewoks were completely planned out. Lucas wasn't sure if the first movie was going to succeed. He literally was making it up as he went.

>>717943264
There's a limit on how much you can rape the franchise before its colon falls out. Sequel trilogy didn't reach that point yet, but TV shows did.

>>717943779
Damn you are very unique and interesting. I hope enjoy consooming just the name.

>>717943384
And two of them are in the top 5 most expensive movies ever made. The other one is the 16th. Fun fact, if you adjust for inflation, TFA is the most expensive movie ever made. That's not to say they weren't nevertheless profitable, but it's important to keep in mind that all of this was done at monumental expense.

not giving you a (you)

>>717943689
words really can't describe how retarded it is but I will attempt it
>palpatine is back because reasons (his coming back message is in fortnight not the move btw)
>now the crew need to find the mcguffin to find his hide out
>its a knife they randomly found
>said knife also leads to another place to find the hide out
>that pic is them near endor because death star which is far more intact despite being blown up
>turns out to find the next spot they needed to stand in a specific spot with the knife which perfectly aligns with the death star remenants which was the key to finding the thing
>keep in mind said knife was made a long ass time ago
>all of this actually happened
>this is just one of many retarded things that happens in this movie
>which is one of many retarded things that happened in the nu trilogy

>>717943863
I get (more than) two cakes, you get to seethe on an North Korean film propaganda board, I don't see why I lost.

>>717943964
I'm not seething tho.

>>717943779
>Kill off Han
>Alright whatever this grumpy motherfucker wanted gone a long time ago
>Kill of Luke cause he use too much force powers?
>Guess they're going all in on girl power
>Only have Leia and suddenly Carrie Fisher dies
This was hilarious

>>717942184 (OP)
>a sequel so bad it made people stop hating on the prequels

>>717943757
>standing in a specific geographical location with a special boondoggle that points the way to a specific thing without acknowledging alterations and changes in the terrain over a period of time.
Did she really? That's hilarious.

>>717943964
You can eat as much shit as you want, bro. Disney's got plenty for you.

Wait a minute... that card......

>>717943756
>look out, an art critic is trying to find a bunch of really old Old Republic ships!
>nvm he actually had them all the time lol watch him get stabbed by his bodyguard because his genius intellect never figured out his species was only ever loyal to Darth Vader and not the Empire
>also, an insane clone of a Jedi gets all the Force powers of a real Jedi because why not, fuck midichlorians Force ability is literally just genetic

>>717944041
Theres something depressing about the final Nu Wars being old fucking Lando and Chewbacca.

>>717943179
Sure there were hints of the amnesia plotline but when the story suddenly comes to a screeching halt for “anyone remember when we were kids and all of us lived in an orphanage? and uhh, the evil witch who is the principal’s wife is also our nanny?” It’s pretty bad pacing and the idea of all of them coincidentally being in an orphanage with Edea is extremely stupid

>>717944086
Thats not a sequel to anything though

>>717944086
In what universe did FF13 hate end in 2016? Now FF16, that one did make everyone reevaluate older FFs.

>>717944086
But everyone still thinks XIII is shit

>>717943689
The heroes go to a desert planet looking for a "wayfinder", which is pretty much just a map they need.
When they get there, they just sort of wander around randomly for a while until Rey randomly falls into a hidden underground pit. There she finds a special weird dagger that doesn't have any explanation for why it's in that random cave on this random planet, and she decides it's important for no reason.
They translate the text on the dagger, which tells them to go to the location where the Death Star crashed (the dagger was made before the death star crashed, it just knows where it will have had crashed in the future somehow).
They arrive there, and then they wander around randomly for a while. It turns out that the place she randomly wandered to, if she looks at the wreckage, the shape of the outline of the dagger exactly matches the outline of the wrecked death star. She then pulls out the little side slide thing for no reason, and she decides for no reason that the little slide pull thing is pushing to the location of the wayfinder in the death star. She then goes to the massive death star and immediately finds the wayfinder in the massive city sized wreckage in the very first room she checks.

>>717942795
The prophecy added nothing to Anakin or Vader's character. It could be taken out of the movies and nothing major would change.

>>717943756
They had to work with the OT cast being old as fuck, but they made all the worst possible choices about how to utilize them

>the Sequel Trilogy didn't make that much of a profit for Disney and that's not even getting into the failure of all the toys and merchandise
>The Resort and Park did far more damage than good in becoming the most expensive Disney interactive asset in the companies history.
>the Clone Wars animated stuff started out okay, but kept getting progressively worse as Filoni continued his waifuwank
>Clone Wars season 7 in particular was just more Ashoka fanservice and a third horrible arc that didn't deserve to get released (seriously why did we get the two sisters and not the kyber crystal arc whose unfinished animations and voiced dialogue are already on youtube)
>Visions season 1 was a mixed bag (a few good ones, a few shit ones)
>Visions season 2 was a mixed bag (every one of them were average artsy shit aside from the Spy Dancer because fuck you I liked that one)
>Mandalorian kept falling apart getting worse and worse
>Boba Fett was a lame story with cringe scenes and dialogue
>Obi-Wan was so stupid it insulted the intelligence of the audience and had a contrived controversy to market the series
>people only watched Ashoka to see how awful it was after hearing about how bad it was and because it was Ray Stevenson’s last role
>Acolyte failed spectacularly
>nobody watches Skeleton Crew
>the Han Solo movie bombed and nobody wants a Rey Palp movie
>Outlaws bombed
>Andor S1-2 were okay but too little too late
>Eclipse and the KOTOR remake are likely never coming out, and most people wish they wouldn't (especially the latter)
>FO and Jedi Survivor were painfully mediocre
Blatant ineptitude or not-so-blatant malice?

>>717944041
>had the perfect chance to also kill off Leai (especially since after the bridge explosion she ended up doing jack shit)
>instead keep her in and just so you can show the marry poppins in space scene

>>717944214
Its not coincidence at all though. Edea and Cid made the orphanage and gardens explicitly to raise kids to stop the sorceresses. The whole game is about fate and destiny being inescapable.

>>717944086
I never played any of the FF 13 trilogy but I still refuse to believe they're worse than FF 15

>>717942184 (OP)
Why is this bad? At least they did something with the force that isnt just two faggots swinging glowsticks or throwing rocks at each other.

>>717944137
Yes.

>>717942987
There were tons of rewrites throughout the movies like Obiwan claiming Luke's dad was killed by Vader, Vader being a completely different dark jedi, Luke and Leia being siblings, Luke's sister being "another" person from Leia, Ewoks originally did not exist and were supposed to be Wookies, etc. That's all from the top of my head.

But the difference is that it was still done by one person (Lucas) so he wasn't actively sabotaging himself between movies and the coincidences could explain away the rewrites. Rian Johnson famously undid pretty much every plot point that JJ Abrams setup to the point that a solid 1/3 of the Rise of Skywalker movie was spent retconning or handwaving them.

>>717942184 (OP)
That's a dagger. Lots of fantasy games have them.

>>717943290
Yeah, in Jedi Outcast, you fight cortosis-clad dark Jedi. The game made them seem a lot more threatning than they actualyl are.

The Sequels will be reevaluated and looked upon with fondness the same way the Prequels are being viewd now. Mark my words.

>>717944391
You best fucking believe.

>>717944503
The prequels were good tho.

>>717943290
>SNAPT

>game with a retarded deux ex machina that conveniently happens right when the protagonist needs it
I don't play too many games, but i can think of 1 game that does this constantly: conker bad fur day.
the entire game is built upon random bullshit happening and somehow, for some reason, conker has the means to fight/fix the threat right there and then.
but conker is a parody game. they could get away with it because they were doing it on purpose and didn't demand you take it seriously at all.

>>717943757
>>717944124
it's much worse than the Goonies because in the Goonies at least you could reason that the person who made the mcguffin was just copying existing terrain. The magic dagger was made BEFORE the death star crashed, but it has the location of the crash inscribed on it and the blade is shaped like the exact shape of the crashed and crumbled death star.

Also, this is an aside, but it's kind of retarded that a shard that large was even left after it exploded that violently

>>717944337
This is a tough one. I'd like to phone in a friend.

How isnt Kathleen Kennedy fired yet, she has to have the meanest dirt one some people at Didney at this point

>>717944307
>When they get there, they just sort of wander around randomly for a while until Rey randomly falls into a hidden underground pit. There she finds a special weird dagger that doesn't have any explanation for why it's in that random cave on this random planet, and she decides it's important for no reason.
Didn't they have some vague notion about looking for the remains of some Jedi hunter guy? It was supposed to be his dagger, right? Not that it justifies how shitty of a macguffin hunt it is.

>>717943689
>they need to find (revived) palpatine and his 100s star destroyers (not exaggerating, they show it in the film)
>the wayfinder says where his location is
>the wayfinder can only be found by a sith knife that exactly matches the decaying, but not decaying too fast, ship hull
>the location of this decaying hull is given by having C3PO unlocking his Sith language module, which kills him, and translating the knife
>said knife, the key to finding palpatine, was just randomly found a cave in the desert

>>717943384
Anon, money is worth next to nothing compared to when the original movies came out.
It's why the real life remakes do so well. They actually don't.

>>717943592
racists

>>717944367
The pulled it a second time with C3P0 where they set up a whole heroic death for him and then chickened out

>>717942184 (OP)
nortubel

>>717944391
They're about on the same level. I'd say 13-2 is better but 13-3 is worse

>>717944615
The sequels are filled with setpieces that sounded really cool to the person who came up with it, but they couldn't make it make sense and instead of scrapping it altogether they just stopped trying and put it in anyway.

>>717944503
Elements of them will certainly be considered good for sure. Same as how people liked the concepts and themes of the prequels, but ask anyone to sit down and fully watch through PT and AotC and they'll find an excuse not to.

rubber bullets

>>717944739
did the artist trace over an NFT for this?

>>717944682
>100s star destroyers

>>717944174
this

>>717944682
and if you don't like it, you're racist

>>717944469
They're the hardest lightsaber opponents besides Desann. The fact you have to fight them before you get strong style made this fight for example pretty tough.

god these movies are so bad. I really want to have sex with daisy ridley though

>>717942584
The 2nd and 3rd movies both had chances to salvage existing plot hooks and they both threw them all away. JJ Abrams is terrible at finishing anything or developing existing plothooks, but they still should have just stuck with him or someone else for all three. Not having a story outline for a trilogy is the most hare-brained non-plan ever, and it effectively killed any future Star Wars had. Interest is going to wane until it fades out completely with millenials.

>>717944851
I'd gladly be called a racist over saying those movies are good.

>>717944769
NTR?

>>717943279
>do bad that they denounced their canon recently
huh? you got some news you want to share?

>>717943541
with my rock-bottom expectations, TFA was "alright"
TLJ was a slap in the mouth and i still haven't seen ep9

>>717944347
>Andor S1-2 were okay but too little too late
Honestly, I think Andor S2 is pretty bad aside from Syril's character arc, which is a bit funny since I hated him in S1. Aside from him, S2 is a poorly paced mess with a bunch of blunt, rushed character arcs chopped to bits by the timeskips. I know they planned for more seasons and they felt compelled to cram as much in as they could, but they should've just gone back to the fucking drawing board.

>>717944884
I think you can cheese them with quick style, force speed and by fighting very aggressively. They're left completely defenseless when they throw their lightsaber.

I liked the bit in the Disney comics where Vader goes to Exogol and finds the Death Star Destroyer fleet and nobody bothers to ask why they're still building Death Star 2 when there's a fleet of ships that are already its superior. Don't even make fun of it, just straight up ignore the question.

>>717944780
>The Last Jedi
>Leia is out so now Holdo is in charge
>Poe questions everything
>Holdo shits on him every chance she gets for no real reason at all
All they had to do was have a simple scene of Holdo saying she can't trust anyone cause they're might be a traitor on board and she wouldn't come off so fucking bad.

>>717943812
>>717944794
The real reason the Prequels are viewed fondly today is the vast amount of cross-media that resulted from the revival of the brand. 1998 - 2005 was the best time to be a Star Wars fan.

What has the Sequel trilogy produced? Shitty BF remakes? Painfully mediocre Cal Kestis games aka the bat swinging simulators? Outlaws? And all that took them 10+ years

>>717944884
Nothing made me want to ragequit this game as bad as these motherfuckers when I was 9. Not even some of the more questionable map design choices by the devs.

>>717944503
Its been like 10 years since TFA

>Star Wars Thread
Just wanted to say I really enjoy the Jedi Survivor games despite everyone hating them. I think they're great 3d metroidvania/soulslikes and this nigga is one of my favourite twist villains in the entire series.

>>717942184 (OP)
idk since i don't watch star slop

>>717944653
She isn't even the one responsible for the worst of the Disney Star Wars junk. The Disney board was directly responsible for deciding how the new movies would be a trilogy with no plot outline, refused to use any of Lucas's existing material or notes, and hamfisted a bunch of female/black protagonists into the movies while simultaneously trying to downplay that fact to woo the Chinese market. Kennedy has been in charge of some good shit and some bad, but ultimately she can't defy the Disney overlords. She's just done exactly what they told her to for the most part.

>>717943779
The majority of books that I've read were fine, but other than that, it's been rough. The movies were forgettable at best and the shows have been awful (haven't watched andor). Plus, the amount of games released have nosedived after EA got involved.

>>717944503
I just find it hard to believe since not even the kids are especially fond of the sequels. Who's going to grow up and feel nostalgic about this stuff like the kids who watched the prequels did?

>>717945179
The Kestis games are great. I consider them the spiritual successor to Kyle Katarn. Battlefront 2 was also great and well worth its money on sale. But you are correct that there simply has not been enough SW games due to the brand being mismanaged.

>>717945329
>refused to use any of Lucas's existing material or notes
Good. I didn't want the fucking Whills from Lucas, I sure as fuck didn't want them from Disney.

>>717943756
I really don't see a world where the vong would've translated to the big screen that well. If it was animated, I could see it working.

>>717944347
as mediocre as you may think Fallen Order and Jedi Survivor are, at least they have a fanbase and the people in charge of making these games know what to do.
none of the Disney slop shows feel like they were written by a human or by people who have a plan on how things should fare besides Andor and Mando S1, and the people who watched them threw the towel the moment things started looking like shit and they have no audience, no fans, no one who wants to watch this shit besides Youtube review channels to let everyone know how shit the dogshit they just ate is (wow!)
its not ineptitude, its planned, this was always going to be the outcome of Disney Star Wars, they executed their 2D animation studio behind a woodshed so they could push out their own 3D movies because they were tired of Pixar stealing the show from them, shat all over their staff, fired Laserter and sentenced them to make mediocre movies for the better part of a decade now.
Disney wants to be the only one sitting at the top of the mountain, they will keep buying studios and companies just to turn them to shit, just like EA does, just like Microsoft does, they are the multimedia version of this.

>People on this board constantly shitting on the Japanese saying they can't write for shit
...So turns out Wypipo are not really that better...?

>>717945405
>I consider them the spiritual successor to Kyle Katarn
I consider you a waste of oxygen.
>Battlefront 2 was also great and well worth its money on sale.
How much do they pay you to post this?

>>717945515
Ok but why are you seething?

>>717943903
I'm very pleased that you tried to simplify the explanation and still made mistakes, it's even worse.
>They're trying to find a sith wayfinder (macguffin #1) to find fornite palpatine
>macguffin #1 is well hidden but WAIT, there's ANOTHER macguffin that is the knife
>the knife doesn't point at macguffin #1 without pulling a little metal extension out of the hilt because ???
>after all the effort of getting the knife it tells them to look... in the emperor's chambers. THE MOST OBVIOUS FUCKING PLACE TO LOOK IN THE FIRST PLACE

captcha: HANGS

>>717945097
it's hilarious. Peak comedy. Highly recommend watching it, incredible trainwreck

>>717944189
>fuck midichlorians Force ability is literally just genetic
Unironically based and makes a million times more sense than the midichlorian bullshit.

>>717945492
yes, only chinaman can write

>>717945268
The combat would've improved massively if the devs just accepted that Jedi ARE unstoppable forces with the ultimate weapon at their disposal and only being defeated by much greater numbers, the element of surprise or another Force user. That's literally how most of them were killed during Order 66.

>>717942184 (OP)
I'd have to say it's
>wait a minute, that card

>>717945492
if only the nu star wars was written by the creative minds responsible for masterpieces like "I Was Reincarnated In Another World As A Pair Of Panties But Now I'm The Demon King With A Slave Harem!?"

ME3's magical martian anti-reaper cannon schematics might be the most unfortunate piece of writing in the trilogy.

Will Star Wars ever leave D*sney's dirty clutches, or is it decisively over?

>>717945179
The scarcity of Star Wars vidya over the past decade is utterly baffling. I genuinely can't comprehend it. It's just money being left on the ground. And now all that money's gotten eaten by rats. It's insanity.

Ellie dropping the map of Jacksonville

>>717943542
>Well I didn't say it was good or that I liked it, but the Star Wars manchild consoomers ate up the slop so objectively they did "succeed"
And this is exactly why Disney didn't give a shit about quality control. Because they know the retards will buy a ticket.

>>717945773
Disney never gives anything up. The company will just become an old dying dragon that exists to hoard IPs into perpetuity.

>>717945492
>implying white people wrote nu-wars

>>717944347
>nobody watches Skeleton Crew
That's a shame since it was alright.

>people like Game of Thrones right?
>We have Brienne
>She's a Storm Trooper in a shiny metallic suit
I don't remember a thing she does in the movies

>>717945268
Fuck I clicked the image before reading the post

>>717943384
>also most expensive movies ever made even adjusting for inflation
>except now the currency is weak as fuck
>and star wars' money has always come from merchandizing and not a singular thing from the sequel movies sells except bb-8 shit

>>717945784
disney killed lucasarts because it was considered too risky.
Now instead of 4 shitty star wars games a year you'll get one really shitty star wars game every 4 years

>>717945773
It's 100% over.

>>717944884
>>717945257
There are platforms in that room.
I don't have aspergers but casual shitters annoy me very much

>>717944503
Definitely not to the same extent, but I can see a small bastion of kids growing up trying to gaslight people.

>>717944347
Still can't believe how hard they imploded Mandalorian after season 1 and a fair bit of season 2 were decent

>>717942184 (OP)
that is the most gay and retarded looking knife ever

disney, not even once

>>717944653
She's apparently going to be leaving next year.

>>717945986
They cut what little character she had, so instead she's just a Boba Fett who barely even gets to stand around looking cool.

>>717944503
No, what helped the prequels was the glut of strong supporting content
Sequels have fucking nothing, the few worthwhile disneywars additions are not even set in the sequel era, it's dead in the water

>>717945268
i tried to enjoy it but it was pretty ass

>>717942584
it's hilarious how the Greeks with their odysseys and shit knew hubris was a potent poison for the mind, yet Disney thought itself infallible. it's poetic how they managed to destroy arguably the most important cinema IP in a mere 10 years.

>>717946071
Mandalorian was so popular they used half the season of Boba Fett for him. Also, they made Boba incredibly stupid for whatever reason

>>717946124
We've been hearing this for almost 6 years now kek

>>717945773
they only way its leaving is if by some miracle a series of elections result in the presidency and congress being filled with people that actually care (lol) resulting in a massive anti trust of companies like disney forcing them to break apart into various other companies that compete with each other, one of them being lucasfilms being freed, in other words you will have better luck winning the lottery and finding a 12/10 female with all your interests that loves you from the bottom of your heart

>>717943535
The Star Wars acquisition will pay for itself several times over, and they will use that revenue to acquire still more intellectual properties to bastardize with contempt.

>>717942184 (OP)
I hate Disney so much it is unreal.

>>717945986
>everybody hated the fact she did nothing in the first movie beyond getting throw in a trash compacter
>promise to do more with her
>make her job and then kill her off in the second movie

>>717945659
>t. Chang
>>717945741
Yes sure, apples to apples
>>717945940
No? Americans anyway.

>>717945405
>The Kestis games are great.
They are alright, but they have nothing to do with the sequels

>>717944189
It wasn't that Thrawn couldn't have deduced the fact that the Noghri were loyal to Vader, but that no one outside of the main cast knows that Leia is related to Vader.

>>717945268
Genuinely, I didn't expect him to betray us like that.

>>717945268
Who's hating them? At this point they're overwanked, very average games. Second one especially feels like an asset flip that has no reason to exist and rehashes the story of 1 for 70% of the runtime, collecting the party again even though they had no reason to be separated in the first place

>>717946071
They gambled on Mandalore wank for S3 and it just didn't work. Mandalorians have that inverse ninja law effect where the more of them you put together, the lamer they are.

>>717943138
WOAH WOAH WOAH

>>717945784
>money being left on the ground
Considering how poorly they sell, not really lmao

>>717943541
>>717945097
Even worse is that a lot of movie critics loved The Last Jedi the most specifically because it "subverted expectations". Which is another way of saying the director Rian Johnson didn't give any fucks about trying to make it a coherent trilogy so he YOLOed it then bailed leaving JJ Abrams trying to salvage the pieces for the next movie in that haphazard poorly planned shitshow of a trilogy.

>>717946267
It's gets worse if you read her novel. Easily the most wasted character in that entire trilogy.

I want to bash woke wars, but honestly I'm sick of evening making fun of this or woke trek. Let these franchises die while everyone plays roblox.

>>717944469
for a second, I read this as clitoris-clad dark Jedi

>>717946028
You only have the 4x jump to their 8x jump so getting there drains a lot of force while they might quickly chase and corner you from further away and you don't wanna be against the wall with just yellow style saber blocking against red.
>>717945115
I never tried because I thought it wouldn't do enough damage and because the manual recommends using medium style to fight multiple saber opponents but it probably would have been less risky.

At least the KOTOR remake isn't coming out. R-right?

>>717946329
I'm usually pretty good at sniffing out cliched backstabbers, but somehow I didn't expect him to betray us until he stayed behind and obviously stole Dagan's lightsaber after that boss fight. Fantastic writing. Better than anything from the ST honestly.

>>717944347
People shit on Obi-Wan tv show but it's the best part of nu-SW except for Rogue One stuff just because Anakin was cool in it

>>717946520
God I fucking LOVE how important and impactful the lightsaber fights are in Jedi Outcast.
Jedi Academy kind of shat the bed with the overabundance of the Force-wielders.

>>717946246
>ancient ruin is guarded by toddler level puzzle
kino

>>717946584
>Rogue One
>good
I'm tired of this meme.

>>717945986
This was such a fucking waste of a character. They spend screentime building her up and then do nothing with it until she jobs. It's like she existed for the sole purpose of selling another model figure instead of any story-related purpose. Either give her a reason to exist in the plot or cut them, it's not fucking rocket science. I guess she's another victim of the incoherent trilogy writing because they didn't actually write or even outline the plot in advance like competent writers would.

>>717945784
>>717946410
>money being left on the ground
Remember this was the ending to Yakuza 4?

>>717946692
Better than anything else Disney has put out, even if it's a completely irrelevant pre-sequel between III and IV.

>>717946692
I didn't say good, I said it's the best part of nu-SW. None of that shit is good but it's the least bad one

>>717943384
They are because everyone gave them a chance because of the brand name, but no one could stomach that turd afterwards. After noticing the farce, even the normies moved on.

The thing is, it left no legacy besides being a complete joke.

>>717945784
Disney is anal about it shitty nu-canon that nobody cares about and their shitty IP they ran into the ground

>>717946486
honestly the entire trilogy is nothing but wasted character potential, any of them could have worked if they didn't hire the most retarded people to handle nuwars

>>717946520
You can see just how quickly the other guy is completely overwhelmed the second Katarn switches to quick style, it's incredible.
>>717946520
>multiple saber opponents
I isolate them with Force pull/push, divide and conquer.

>>717946584
A couple decent Vader/Anakin scenes doesn't make up for the rest of it being horrendously shit. Even fucking Ahsoka had a good Anakin scene. It's kinda fucked up that Hayden Christensen showing up is the high point of multiple shows.

>>717942732
>zero pre-planning
Feels like the closest thing they had to "plans" was to dramatically kill off a major character from the original trilogy in each film of the sequel trilogy. I'm just theorizing but
>Han Solo: dead in first film
>Luke Skywalker: dead in second film

I presume Leia was supposed to get a dramatic death in the third film but even that was a major fuck up since Princess Leia (oh I'm sorry GENERAL Leia) had to go and die in real life.

>>717946850
>It's kinda fucked up that Hayden Christensen showing up is the high point of multiple shows.
Why would it be, he's great and everyone loves the prequel trilogy. It's okay you don't need to pretend anymore. It's not new so new bad old good doesn't apply anymore

>>717946520
I don't remember how push/pull works in SP but in MP if you are moving at close range you always fall.
In your webm most of the hits landed on enemies are on grounded siths which are very easy to pull. Basically you just run around pull and left click.
I don't see what could be difficult in that fight.

Also I mentioned the platform because their AIs take time to follow you through the platform and you can always push one away to solo the other on them.

>>717946796
>They are because everyone gave them a chance because of the brand name
That doesn't really fly when TFA was just a generic rehash of ANH and TLJ was a complete dumpster fire.

>>717942184 (OP)
Why a dagger? It's fucking Star Wars not Lord of the Rings. It's not even a cool lightsaber dagger.

>>717946724
>sole purpose of selling another model figure
>C3P0 had a red arm
>There's a comic that explained that a robot sacrificed itself to help C3P0 escape
>C3P0 wears it to honor him
>He changes back to his regular arm before the movie ends
Very honorable C3P0

>>717942584
>and the writer of the 2nd movie specifically went out of his way to ruin and subvert as many plot hooks as possible from the first movie in some weird act of sabotage
I support the effort to sabotage anything related to palpatine
too bad it didn't work

>>717944307
>Someone knew exactly how the Death Star would blow up and the trajectory of its pieces and that no one would disturb its ruins and made a map of it
Uh the Force did it okay

>>717946934
not saying that HC is bad- but for all the effort that disney's poured into SW, the best they can manage is calling back to work they didn't even make.

>>717945986
>mogged by a random mook on screen for less than a minute

>>717942468
Have you seen Lost? The entire show was just JJ introducing batshit insane twists (Polar Bear, Smoke Monster etc.) on a stranded island in a surival drama show with very little care to explain why they even existed in there.

>>717944503
Never. There are more zoomer prequelfags than there are zoomer sequelfags. Disney's replacement for the old extended universe, which is what most people stuck around for, is garbage. Clone wars wank is eternal.

>>717946584
>>717946692
Rogue One is extremely mediocre aside from the Battle of Scarif, which is possibly the best battle sequence in all of Star Wars. Imagine if the rest of this dogshit Disney Wars at least had battles that good.

>>717945784
It doesnt help that they gave EA exclusivity rights to make SW videogames for a decade alongside closing down LucasArts studios, cutting all LucasArts funding for developers working on games based on their IPs and that they cancelled every videogame project after signing the exclusivity contract with EA.
EA made like 3 videogames under that period, and a half dozen of mobile garbage and the only game that still lives and gets updates from that era is one of those mobile games.
EA has made more Star Wars games AFTER the exclusivity deal expired, thats some dumb ass shit i could never understand.

>>717946934
>>717947089
Pretty much the only good thing that came out of Shitsneywars (and Kenobi in particular) is Hayden Christensen and Ewan McGregor working together against. You can really tell from their interviews they're good pals.

>>717947161
>>717946692
>>717946584
it wuold be better if it was rouge one

>>717946934
Nah, his performance in the prequels is still mediocre to poor. I don't blame him per se, since no one did great performances in those movies, but Christensen was one of the weaker of the lot.

>>717947239
>good pals
>pals
Come on guy, you almost had it

>>717947470
Well fuck me I'm retarded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0_hqeQKx6o
God damn star wars audio is good

>>717945673
>The combat would've improved massively if the devs just accepted that Jedi ARE unstoppable forces with the ultimate weapon at their disposal and only being defeated by much greater numbers, the element of surprise or another Force user. That's literally how most of them were killed during Order 66.
So you want Dynasty Warriors Jedi?

=D

>>717947576
No, I wanted a spiritual successor to the Jedi Knight games.

>>717947374
I don't care for the prequels but this was the best acting in any Star Wars movie

>>717947656
Good thing TLJ fiasco ruined his career too

>>717942184 (OP)
Pic related is basically how I feel, except for the fact that d*sney shat on Star Wars multiple times and they show no signs of stopping.

>>717947752
McGregor and McDiarmid were easily the best actors on set (Christopher Lee sadly didn't get to do much)

>>717946738
life imitates art

>>717947542
https://youtu.be/NmdOUWgvs3k?list=PLw3BPtiJRAXy99Om2X3xHQCjV6uv8XCnw

>>717945107
I wouldn't say it's bad. And even with it's flaws it's better than any star wars past the original trilogy, aside for S1.

>>717942584
>the writer of the 2nd movie specifically went out of his way to ruin and subvert as many plot hooks as possible from the first movie in some weird act of sabotage
Honestly very based of him.

>>717942383
STFU. me3 is completely fine. dont compare it with this bullshit here.

>>717944041
> What's the alternative to waking up on christmas morning? NOT waking up on christmas morning?

>>717944503
The prequel defense force happened because the children who liked them wouldn’t be on the internet for close to a decade after they released. They weren’t reevaluated, it’s now-adults defending their childhood from perceived insults.

Children did not watch the sequels. Children primarily use social media. There was nothing insulating them from how most people viewed the movies.

>>717942732
>it's star wars, the cattle will eat it up anyway
And they were right for a good 5 years

>>717948163
No I'm pretty sure not even kids like the prequels. They just like all the supplemental media like Clone Wars cartoon.

>>717948149
>Hamill went on to become a highly successful voice actor
>Ford became one of the richest and most recognized film actors ever
>Fisher *crickets*

>>717946945
>I don't remember how push/pull works in SP but in MP if you are moving at close range you always fall.
It seems to mostly land on jumping enemies and enemies not facing you and I think how well you could block it was affected by your own level in it vs the level of the one using it on you and even if it gets blocked it slows your movement for a moment and drains at least some of your force.
But never did I put it together that the range was the difference between making someone fall over or not when it lands, cool to know.
>In your webm most of the hits landed on enemies are on grounded siths which are very easy to pull.
It is, but the push is also expensive especially if it hits both of them and if you get gripped without force available to push it off it's trouble. I just end up spamming the push/pull too much because I played with them bound to Q and E for quick use.
>their AIs take time to follow you through
They might but jumping is like the only force power the AI is actually good at using and I think the AIs actually jump better than real players. I never had a player(s) surround me by jumping after me in MP but happened before with saber combatants in SP.

>>717944653
Because that would be admitting fault.

>>717948252
she did a ton of ghost writing and script doctoring all the work she did was behind the scenes and stuff that rarely got her creditied, sort of like john milius

>>717948163
This. Episode 1 is one of the best kids movies ever and every kid who saw it became a SW fan. Adults didn't like it that much but it wasn't for them, my generation loved it

>>717942331
DEY MAP NOW!

>>717948114
lol, lmao even

>>717948252
Fisher's drug habits became famous! So there! Ha!

>>717948245
You weren't a kid where they came out were you? Phantom Menace was a cultural phenomenon in elementary schools around the world

>>717942184 (OP)
>somehow palpatine returned

>>717948149
>take a plane
>suddenly die
>mother learns about it a day later
>dies too
Someone really hated the Fishers.

The only thing I like the sequels for is the fact that Palpatine fucking wins, every Skywalker and Solo is dead, leaving only a Palpatine at the end of it all.
I don't even sincerely like that, I like it the same way I do Star Wars parody's like Family Guy or Robot Chicken, only this is the sequel to the OT, the canonical end of the Skywalker Saga.

>>717942184 (OP)
i don't know what "this" is, I don't consume media with such creatures in it

>>717943290
>>717942796
none of this shit is canonical because only the 3 original films are canonical

>>717943541
Its insane that 5 planets of most likely trillions of lives are juat erased and they aren't even mentioned in the two sequels

>>717948554
How is she related to Palpatine again? A clone or distant relative?

>>717948564
count your blessings for not having been exposed to the weapons-grade retardation that is star wars episode nine.

>could of just made a Jedi Knight Dark forces Trilogy movies and people would of eaten it up
>kill the extended universe out of spite to """"""protect the ip"""""""

>>717947992
It's got the trappings of something great. Good sets and effects, the actors are putting in effort, the scenes are individually well directed. But the big picture is just broken and you can feel it bleeding through often. Honestly, they would've been better off just making a movie out of the Ghorman arc and trimming the fat and gristle that they KNEW that they didn't have the time to properly render.

>>717948729
Daughter of an escaped Palpatine clone.

>>717948602
You're not special for being an OT stan.

>>717948729
daughter of sheev's clone son

>>717947002
I still can't wrap my head around how they threw out the entire EU, employed like 10 Star Wars lore experts to keep the new canon consistent and that's the stories they came up with. Everyone who worked on the sequel trilogy or any of its derivative media is a hack.

>>717942184 (OP)
Skyrim quest design.
"Go to this dungeon and reclaim this ancient lost and powerful artifact" ad infinitum

>>717945405
I kinda liked them but they're deeply flawed in many ways. Storytelling is super meh, they throw you a bone now and then with Darth Vader or Boba Fett but the core story is just awful. Tha main character has the worst punchable face imaginable and the whole cast is just mid-school tier. I think that level design is both smart and oversimplified, with plenty of neat ways to travel around but way too often limited to main way of going forawrd.
>Oh this wall doesn't have scratchmarks? You can't climb it, sorry!
>Oh, this piece of flat surface is sticking out? It's a deathtrap obviously!
Way too often your progression is all about jumping around weirdly placed walls, even though your enemies are living and working in these halls. There's no logical structure for most levels, just a lot of disjointed jump puzzles.
Now fighting is another pie of bullshit, because, again, I like how it adapts Dark Souls/Sekiro but then again your lightsaber is just a glowstick that can't do any proper damage.
And for Metroidvania parts, I enjoy finding secrets and finding collectibles, there were hidden paths and chambers full of good stuff, but then again most of your unlocks are worthless cosmetics and unlocking half of your abilities is just a matter of story excuse
>I can't climb, let's just look around this pile of garbage and volia! I have a grapling gun!
>Oh, those green fields you couldn't access for half the game? Here, this gimmick will let you pass through! Oh, you could use it sooner? Sorry I wasn't in the mood of giving it to you earlier!
Honsetly it's kind of baffling how many mistakes they've made in the progression system and story telling aspect of the game.

>>717942796
This rando's stun batton is literally stronger than a lightsaber

>>717948796
>>717948824
>Dies twice
>Still wins
Impressive

>>717948729
She's the daughter of a Palpatine clone

>>717942184 (OP)
Is that a sweet enchanted dagger?

The Last Jedi was good and Knives Out was great. Fuck Star Wars.

>>717948869
>employed like 10 Star Wars lore experts to keep the new canon consistent
lol
lmao

>>717948482
PM got the same treatment as the TFA. People loved it because it's the next big Star Wars thing after a long hiatus. Ask them to rewatch it though and lol

>>717948869
>>717949105

>>717942584
>Episode 8, The First Order is reduced to some 20 walkers and sum 20 tie fighters
>no one comes to help and wipe them out easily
>Episode 9, The Final order has over 1000 planet destroying star destroyers with millions of soldiers
>now we will help
The good guys should have been obliterated

>>717948728
>Main plot is they can't get off the ship without the New Order noticing
>Characters get off and back on the ship without a problem
>Big plan at the end was getting everybody off at once on to the nearest planet and hope for the best
Fucking what?

>>717949185
Is this bitch for real?

>>717949167
I rewatched PM a few weeks ago and it was fun.

>>717942924
Thats fine when you start a series, not when you are now 7 episodes into it

>>717949101
The Last Jedi wasn't even good on its own terms. The stupid battle on Salt Hoth undermines everything they'd been doing up to that point. If they'd ended the movie earlier, with Rey taking Kylo's hand and the First Order breaking off the pursuit, then MAYBE the movie would've been worth shit.

>>717948729
Granddaughter.
One of Rey's parents was both the child of Emperor Palpatine, and also a junk trader that lies dead in less of a grave than even Shmi did.

>>717945268
>favourite twist villains
>>717946329
>Genuinely, I didn't expect him to betray us like that.
>>717946583
>I'm usually pretty good at sniffing out cliched backstabbers
I knew he was going to betray you from his first introduction on Coruscant. They made a big point about his daughter. No offense to you, but that betrayal was telegraphed pretty early on.

>>717948907
>Way too often your progression is all about jumping around weirdly placed walls, even though your enemies are living and working in these halls. There's no logical structure for most levels, just a lot of disjointed jump puzzles.
I mean that's what a Metroidvania is. The architecture of whatever place you're exploring never makes sense. You just have to accept that's part of the genre.

>but then again your lightsaber is just a glowstick that can't do any proper damage.
I do wish there was a mode like GoT where you are incredibly lethal, but so are your enemies. Sort of like how real Jedi are in that they can kick your ass with the force and slice you clean in half with the lightsaber, but land a good hit on them and they're also dead since they don't have any armor on.

>>717948945
Unlimited power baby.

>>717942732
Sequels for Disney films are almost always cash grabs. The MCU and Star Wars were the first time Disney ever gave a shit about creating multi film narratives, but at least with the former you can hire whoever you want to shit out a film about a hero no one cares about. Say what you will about the prequels, but they so greatly expanded the universe of Star Wars that without them the IP wouldn't be the massive media giant that is today. The setting invites people to want to explore the lore and the people who are in it. However, what Disney saw is a run of the mill sci-fi plot of a hero fighting against an evil emperor and she could only win by unlocking her "full potential". It's something an AI could generate in less than a minute. They made a Disney movie, not a Star Wars movie, and that was the problem. They planned it like they would for a film like Frozen or Big Hero 6. The execs only realized their fuck up after the sequels finished due how universally reviled the movies were by Star Wars fans, and decided to milk the nostalgia cow with series like Andor, Obi Won, and Mandolorian.

>>717948929
The light saber in this fight was not wielded by a jedi though.

Regular people in the Star Wars universe do not see the light saber as a great weapon. Han Solo in ANH said he prefers a good blaster on his hip than a saber. It's only when a jedi/sith force user has one that it becomes something to be feared.

>>717949248
I wouldn't even call it fun. There's too many parts that are just pointless slogs like the podracing segment and the anakin portion of the naboo battle. And I'm not even going for low hanging fruit like Jar Jar.

>>717949292
>the child of Emperor Palpatine
Clone "son", like Boba Fett

>>717942184 (OP)
"Somehow, we also rescued the treasure of Blackwater, didn't tell anyone at any point in time when relationships were better, and we somehow moved it here under the law's eye without anyone knowing except for Abigail for some reason." - Dutch

Red Dead Redemption 2's writing is atrocious and the fact anyone in the industry says it's good is an indication we have a LONG way to go before it improves as a storytelling medium.

>>717946530
Maybe. Maybe not. Disney is currently being run like a ship of drunken sailors who lost their navigation trying to find port.

>>717944834
lets not forget that one of those star destroyers was taken by a mid-air SPACE HORSE CAVALRY CHARGE on the hull because the bad guy had some sort of "anti-speeder defense" or some shit

>>717942383
I don't like the ending of ME3 and it has logical problems (a good deal of them). It ain't even 1/10 of the issues the Star Wars sequels bring in.

>>717944682
They actually had 1,080 Star Destroyes acording to the vfx artists

>>717945784
>The scarcity of Star Wars vidya over the past decade is utterly baffling.
EA ruined the video games. Asmodee ruined the Star Wars tabletop games:
>Asmodee is the EA of board game world.
>Decided to break up successful companies in its portfolio to streamline things under other companies.
>Gave its Star Wars miniatures stuff to a company called Atomic Mass Games which was small and ill equipped to handle them.
>X-Wing was at one point a popular miniatures game.
>Eventually the company cancelled all these games.
Amazing how much the extended merchandise of the Star Wars franchise got fucked by poor decision making.

>>717946267
I love how episode 8 says her armor is completely blaster resistant, when episode 7 has her held by blaster threatening when fully armored

>>717942584
>You can't even really blame the 3rd movie for shitting the bed so much when
Yes I can, these people get paid millions and the publisher makes billions out of this crap
If they truly wanted they would have found a decent compromise, it's their fucking job
So no, I'm not going to choke on copium like you are

>>717949468
And the space horse thing worked because someone exploded the radar station that helped the star destroyers figure out which way was up. I hate that movie so fucking much.

>>717949376
>pointless slogs like the podracing segment
Podradcing is there to show Anakin's innate use of the Force, explain why he can pilot a starfighter during the final battle and sell toys and games.

>>717948026
>starwars manbabies seethe about him shitting all over the retarded mystery boxes JJ set up
>even though everything doesnt land and JJ immediately went crawling through the rubble for memberberries, his is the only memorable and cinematographically interesting movie in the sequel trilogy
>to further the seethe of fanboys who say he is a terrible director, he immediately goes on to direct yet another successful and well reviewed movie to his resume

>>717945986
How can you not know what she's done? Did you pay attention to her "actions and character"?

>>717948602
Kotor 1 and 2 get a pass because the story of Kotor 2 is better written than even the OGs.

>>717946991
It was meant to be the Dagger of Mortis, but they suddenly realized halfway into making the movie no one would know what that is

>>717943465
Watching TFA in theaters was really weird, I was really enjoying it a lot but something sucked the air right out of the film when the rolling monster thing showed up
And when Han started walking towards Kylo I knew instantly what was gonna happen and it also sucked
Rey just locking in and winning the fight against Kylo was also super hacky and again took me out of it
Idk how other feel about him but I wish Finn was the mc, he was 1000x better than Rey. I was thinking for a moment they were gonna have them both be Jedi and have to share the lightsaber for a bit until the next film or something, thinking about them taking the lightsaber from each other with the force and shit.
I just walked away from it very unaffected.
Wasn't until i rewatched the og and prequels and played some of the old games that I remembered I actually still liked star wars

>>717948114
No its not. ME3 is the most jarhead hoorah horseshit imaginable.
You have a fucking quick time event to rattle off some faggoty platoon motto for some Cousin Oliver roidape and the MUHREENS he has you shouting a round for at the bar.

The ending was just the post death shart.

>>717948929
Yeah, and the prequels had those electro staffs. I think the main thing is making anti-lightsaber armor.

>>717949780
>a half-finished disjointed slog with no ending to speak of is better written than the OGs

>>717949376
Like all the prequels you can at least find fun in the worlds and art design and new concepts they introduce, like pod racing, which is cool as fuck. The sequel's worlds and aliens are almost entirely forgettable or rehashes of the original trilogy. Naboo alone floors every single location in the sequels and it's not close.

>>717944739
default blender monkey.obj really went far in his career...

>>717946458
It's really funny too cause now you have this forever jilted subsection of Disney defenders that hate 9 since they are obsessed with the last jedi.
They're like what sequel fags think prequel fags are

>>717942924
>>717943830
The OT always had a plan, it's just that the plan changed over time. Very big difference. Early in the OT George planned that the first trilogy would end with Luke defeating Vader, and then Luke meeting his twin sister in the trilogy which would end with defeating the Emperor. Compare JJ who didn't ever think about how to wrap up any of the plot threads he created or how the trilogy would end.
The difference is that when George had to wrap things up with RotJ, he wasn't up shit creek without a paddle. All he had to do was say Leia was Luke's sister, kill off the Emperor along with Vader, and end the war.

>ewoks
They were going to be wookies but the crew found it easier to dress up dwarves and kids than find a bunch of super tall actors willing to get in dog suits.
But that's also like the least consequential decision here, RotJ could have been done without the Endor moon sequences entirely and it wouldn't have created any inconsistencies with the previous films like you're suggesting.

tl;dr To quote general MacArthur, "Plans are useless, but planning is indispensable".

>>717948245
Dude, the movie and toys were rad as hell. Nobody wants anything from the new trilogy besides the silver storm trooper.

>>717942184 (OP)
Probably trannyguard.

>>717949787
Supposedly Rey won cause when Kylo tried to get in her mind she just downloaded all his force knowledge instead

>>717949206
I really hated how they had to return the good guys to being rebellion underdogs for no good fucking reason
Dogshit writing

>>717942184 (OP)
I don't know because I didn't watch it lol

.

>>717949881
>Compare JJ who didn't ever think about how to wrap up any of the plot threads he created or how the trilogy would end.
A GOOD QUESTION
FOR ANOTHER TIME
^actual fucking line from the movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIKPqxLxXTY

>>717943279
ROTJ is a mediocre movie with a strong first act and a touching finale.

>>717943535
Not in the short term actually. Years after purchasing LucasArts and they still didn't make up the money the paid for it. Granted merch isn't included here, and merchandise is always how Star Wars made its fortune, but sequel toys were infamous shelf warmers.

>>717949780
>Kotor 1 and 2 get a pass because the story of Kotor 2 is better written than even the OGs.
KOTOR2 isn't. Kreia's ideas at the end of the game are insane - she wants to destroy the Force because it has "some control" over her even though the first movie established it's symbiotic. The Jedi have to all act like Mace Windu (and there's only three of them in the entire universe) because Avellone can't have the player sympathizing with anything besides Kreia's perspective. No one remembers the other companions besides Kreia. Kreia's assumption that the Force causes conflict and creates Jedi and Sith in equal measure is retarded just from what Phantom Menace already established (Avellone didn't pay attention). She wants to destroy the Force not knowing how many people will die when she claims that the Force causes people to go into conflict. Next she'll want to get rid of gravity and entropy because they have "too much say". Not to mention, you can't confront on any of this, especially when she doesn't entertain the idea that if the Force controls people, how would she argue it's not controlling her actions?

It's ludicrous given the rules Avellone had to ignore for his Force Marxist to exist in the story.

>>717949714
Knives out is shit actually

I feel like Star Wars was fucked by Marvelisation. Disney desperately wanted to repeat the MCU's success. So much of the tone, the humour and decisions ooze this sensibility. They wanted alternating sequel movies and Star Wars story movies. When it failed (TLJ/Solo) Bob Iger blamed Star Wars fatigue. But the Disney+ era just gave them a new excuse and so much of it was repurposed from cancelled Star Wars story movies. Many studios tried to copy the MCU, many studios have forgotten the formulas for success and many studios have failed at making their own universes. The Mandalorian was literally directed by Jon Favreau (who did Iron Man) and made as a vehicle for spin offs/cameos (Book of Boba Fett, Ahsoka, the cancelled Rangers of the New Republic) and is now spearheading their attempt to recontextualise the sequels with a big Avengers style team up on the horizon (Ahsoka, Mandalorian, etc all teaming up to stop Thrawn).

>>717949387
Did they say that in the movie? He did not look like Palpatine at all and they clearly weren't going for that.

>>717943226
>no retarded side stories

>>717949780
they're cool fanfics (well not really, they kinda suck) but not canonical

>>717949686
Honest to God the whole "can't tell which way is up" thing could have worked if Exaghoul was a gas giant with massively violent storms, and Palpy's base being in an artificial safe-zone creates by the dark side or something
Fuck, we even could have avoided the stupid breaking ground scene too, but chances are that specific scene is the whole reason the planet looks the way it does
Can't have shit for creativity in Disney

>>717949340
It cant even cut through the handle.

>>717950179
Also the two Ewoks movies.

>>717944086
FF15 is good and I'm sick and tired of pretending otherwise. Just because it wasn't Versus 13 doesn't make it inherently bad.

>>717949780
KOTOR1 gets a 100% pass
KOTOR2 had a lot of questionable shit in it and will forever remain unfinished but still better than anything Disney has shat out so far

>>717942184 (OP)
last of us 2

>>717949468
The horses btw running headlong into people shooting at them, meaning theh should have been mowed down like grass

>>717950301
>People keep saying everyone always hated the ewoks
>They get 2 movies and a cartoon
Growing up I don't remember anyone hating Ewoks and I don't know where this came from

>>717944086
>a sequel so bad it made people stop hating on the prequels
the prequels are still fucking shit, sequel trilogy being bad didnt make them good in retrospect or retroactively

>>717950301
I still don't understand what they were thinking with the second. The entire premise of the first movie was a boy (the main protagonist) and his sister saving their parents only for the second movie to come in and brutally murder the boy and his parents right at the beginning.

>>717950368
>Neil's creative partner on The Last of Us 1 stopped his retarded revenge plotline from being used and helped make the first game a success.
>Guy left the company and all of Neil's vetoed ideas for 1 became the basis for 2.
Its like poetry, it rhymes.

>>717950416
>the prequels are still fucking shit
you tell 'em girl!

>>717949290
False.
Anyway, maybe TLJ was just an ad for Knives Out. It's good.

>>717950410
I suspect people got a general dislike of goofy side characters after Jar Jar Binks.

>>717942184 (OP)
WAIT A MINUTE
THAT
CARD

>>717942732
JJ abrams MO is to set stuff up any stuff up make vague references to things and have something shocking to keep people talking about it and then let other people work it out. It probably would have worked out better but Disney hired the one guy who would burn everything down and nobody thought to step in.

>>717950568
Which even the hate for Jar-Jar was mostly manufactured from that one angry guy's website.

>>717950204
>not canonical
Canon is whatever the fuck I want it to be.
ST? Non-canon. Kotor? Canon. Yuuzhan Vong? Non-canon. Republic Commando? Canon. Bad Batch? Non-canon. Labyrinth of Evil? Canon. Solo? Non-canon.

>>717949706
>Podradcing is there to show Anakin's innate use of the Force,
Doesn't mean it needs to be 15 minutes long.

>>717943756
I read this last year and, while cool as a book series, I don't think it'd work as movies that well.
J'baoth just slinging rocks at Luke is not a good ending fight, and Luuke is pretty hacky, also the clone force disruptiong thingy isn't great.
Also Thrawn deducing that the emperor was coordinating the empire via his force powers and needing a jedi for that was a bad idea
>>717944189
>>717946316
Also a minor thing that annoyed me as that we didn't get a moment of Thrawn showing understanding to his underlings until the third book while it would've made more sense to establish that side of his character in the first.
IIRC the part where Luke pulls that sick trick with his x wing inside the other ship in book 3, an imperial gets scared he's gonna get offed by Thrawn by fucking up but Thrawn comments that it was something hardly anyone could expect so it was fine to fail
It contrats with Luke escaping a tractor beam with a tricky maneuver in book 1 but Thrawn kills the dude their for saying it was a mistake.
IDK feels out of order to me; or at least both should've happened in the first book.
/rant

>>717944615
its also really weird because the damn thing has a diameter of like 100km, how the fuck is she even seeing all of it? it looks like an entire curved section of the outer hull so shouldn't it stretch across the entire field of view?

>>717942383
bingo
>>717948114
AHAHAAHAHAHAHAAH
most blatant asspulls out of nowhere in gaming, everything was asspulled

>>717950624
>hired the one guy who would burn everything down
the hero we deserve

>>717949787
>Rey just locking in and winning the fight against Kylo was also super hacky and again took me out of it
In all fairness here, kylo was fighting her while having a bowcaster shot in his stomach and had his swinging arm nicked from fighting finn. Even despite that, he was clearly the better fighter.

>>717942584
>First Movie of Sequel Trilogy
>The enemy has a Planet that can blow up entire systems and eats suns
>this weapon gets almost 0 build up and is treated almost as an after thought
>the way they destroy it essentially by accident
>they destroy the thing that should have taken 3 movies to destroy in 1 movie


It starts in the first movie the second they destroyed Starkiller Base they fucked up.

What could have been better.

>Movie They break into StarKiller Base and Damage but don't destroy the base it is the best they can do but we NEED Luke to help us we need a Jedi
>Movie 2 Kylo.is hunting them down after they were able to get a retaliatory shot off that destroyed the resistance base
>the First Order is now more threatening because although they have a damaged Starkiller it is still dangerous however there is friction because Kylo's recklessness means that was the only shot and it set things back more
>Kylo is out hunting down the resistance and Finn is searching for ways to destroy Starkiller and rally people to the Resistance but is having little luck
>the 3rd movie it shows the crew on a mission doing a favor or something to get help for the resistance
>Palpatine is like a ghost he isn't actually in the movie
>The climax is everyone in the Galaxy uniting to destroy Starkiller Base once and for all Ben does something to redeem himself and their

>>717942184 (OP)
Nigger

>>717950669
>Canon is whatever the fuck I want it to be.
Yes that's right, I and I want it to be the OT. Oh, and Dark Forces 1 and 2, but not the Mysteries of the Sith expansion or JK2.

>>717944440
you are making argument against yourself
lots of re-writing indicates not lack of planning but exess of it. as in lucas had plan but as he started writing he figured things can be made better and wrote it better. theres not a single good piece of great media which doesnt go through this, noone is so great he can write something incredible from the get go without "upgrading" his work in a process.

>>717942184 (OP)
Bioshock infinite

Rather than write a sequel, they decided to reset things back to underdog goodies vs powerful baddies, aka rebels (resistance) vs empire (first order). Many video game sequels have this issue where you need to start the next nerfed and lose all your powers at the start due to contrived plot reasons. The dagger shit is just the equivalent of how so many quests in games have no flow aside from go to place with x and do y.

>>717950739
He had to impress his older future girlfriend

>>717942184 (OP)
TOTK

>>717949326
>and decided to milk the nostalgia cow with series like Obi Won
The Obi-Wan show was sticking the bucket up the cow's ass and then wondering why isn't the milk coming out

>>717945637
>>717945097
I went to see it the day after it came out with the courage of a few stiff drinks. Constantly had to stifle my laughter in the theater.

Padme was the main protagonist of TPM.

>>717943779
that fits for the sort of reddit faggot that typically posts that image to try and cover their shit take

>>717950131
Seems like they just wanted to do the ol' "let's try and fuck with the whole conceit of a franchise for easy attention even if it fucks with established mainline info and can fuckup our own plot" schtick.
See it far too often these days
Also another example of classic balance vs chaos systems flanderized to yin vs yang in the sequels, also far too common

why would there be an ancient dagger and an ancient prophecy about a ship that only would have arrived there like 20 years ago?

>>717943779
you are just reddit nigger faggot or paid shill with zero taste

>>717943779
The first movie was OK. I didn't watch the rest but from what I've read they sound retarded.

>>717951541
Jedi and Sith have prophecies and can see the future.

>>717949896
This just reminded me too that the new stormtroopers just look uninspired and bad.
The og stormtroopers had that imposing look to them
And, in all honesty, even as someone that prefers the og trilogy, the clones are just cooler than the stormtroopers and work even better as kid magnets. The colors, the variety. They have that same "your dudes" appeal of space marine chapters. Made the prequels fucking perfect for video games.

>>717942924
OT also had a Lucas, Lucas wranglers and the luxury of not having a 40 year old franchise behind it

>>717950418
MY FAMILY'S DEAD WICKET
and the fucking diabeetus guy too lol

this is one of the coolest character designs I've ever seen and it was fucking wasted on a dogshit star wars tv show

>>717951643
>Bro what are you making?
>Trust me bro. A evil ball sack face guy's granddaughter is going to need this dagger one day
>Oh yeah? Can you make it so she has to use it like The Goonies? I love that movie that not real yet

>>717951635
first move was completely terrible tho and set everything to fail because it didnt bother to write setting (as in why the fuck first order has so much power and why there are still "resistance" when they are in power? who the fuck they are resisting? themselves?) and characters (mary sue annoying shit of a main character full garbage vomit).

>>717949780
KOTOR 2 is literally just Babby's First Book of Philosophical Debate.
>DUH WHAT IF BEING GOOD ALSO HAD CONSEQUENCES??? 11/10 BEST WRITING EVER
You can't live your life by succumbing to the logic of a decrepit granny. Not every action has a consequence, that's just ridiculous, especially considering that being good and doing good things is far, far more difficult than being an uncaring asshole IRL. Now, there does come a time where too much help can be a bad thing, like a parent that coddles their child too much so that they end up ill-prepared for the real world, but if the question of "If I help this person, will they become weaker for it as a result?" prevents you from helping people in need (from holding a door open, to assisting someone who's fallen and broken their leg), then you're just allowing some old, cynical crone to think for you. It's honestly such a obnoxious debate that the fact people are still arguing about it just tells me that people just want to justify their negative behaviors without having to think too much about it.

>>717949167
No. Kids loved the prequels. Teens and adults gave tpm a soft pass contingent on the quality of the next movie. The sequel was attack of the clones. even worse despite its attempts to fix some of the flaws of tpm, as it was written by someone who was only vaguely aware of how people talk.

>>717951339
Why not have the bad guys on the run while Luke, as a heroic antagonist, hunts them down just as relentlessly as Vader did the Rebels?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqHBPkf8_4k
That's different from the prequels and the OT.

>>717943175
The plan was to maintain the fan interest and find new fans along the way so that multiple projects can be coming out for a lot of money all around. The drops in ticket sales alone for the new trilogy was a cause for concern because it was raw feedback that people were getting bored. Why would you want to make television, games and merch for something that people are losing interest in so quickly?

>>717951830
Those pants look silly.

>>717951830
this is a terrible design, half of his body is unprotected

>>717944884
rejt

>>717944347
>>Andor S1-2 were okay but too little too late
dumbest shit i read, even non star wars fans think andor is good

>>717951863
yeah and it still deeper than entire star wars with brilliant twists like
>force is ultimate evil
your point?
gonna seethee?

>>717951842
u wouldn't understand unless you were an oracle...

apologize

>>717951951
KYS yidsney shill

>>717951146
Ok, did forget about that
Honestly my biggest issue might just be the insanely long pause she did as she locked in, I remember it lasting forever

>>717951906
>>717951905
they have greaves on too the picture is just cut off
breeches look sick shut up

>>717952003
No but obviously you are if you're pretending as if I said anything to justify the existence of the dogshit sequels you fucking retard.

Question: if rey is palpatine's granddaughter because her dad is his clone, then wouldn't that mean these kids are jango fett's grandkids?

>>717952021
No, fuck you, George, for selling the work of your life to the Mouse.

>>717952021
He's the reason the theatrical releases of the OT never got a proper re-release and he's the reason Mickey got his filthy gloves on Star Wars, in the first place.

I don't think I can enjoy anything star wars after the masterpiece that was Andor.

>>717952021
George-sama..... I kneel, was blind you multi-decade vision.

>>717952175
Aside from the prison episodes, Andor was shit and I won't pretend otherwise.

>>717952065
They will also call themselves Skywalker

>>717951882
>Why not have the bad guys on the run
Personally I think the bad guys should have been small in number but completely fanatical, the kind of guys who would kamikaze themselves. Pure unhinged loyalists. Rather than have Luke hunt them down or make Empire 2.0 they should have had them infiltrate and appear to bring the New Republic, straining at the seams, down.

>>717952060
it looks fucking stupid

>>717942795
>Dagger lines up perfectly with a spacestation that was affected by gravitational forces and water

>>717947104
>take on meeeeeeeee
>ON ME

>>717946646
To be fair it's a Nord ruin so this puzzle is well above their average IQ

will there ever be a good star wars game again

post kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7YGwTyvd-g

>>717952309
you look fucking stupid, thats why no woman will ever love you

>>717952115
dark side always gets the sickest looking shit

>>717942383
>i must kill the reaper!
>no chippledipple! you must find the 4 thing that makes the crucible!

>>717952452
>barren womb
>women's health
LOL

>>717952115
>we want the souls audience

>>717951876
I haven't met any kid that "loved" the prequels honestly. It's always the other media like the cartoons and games.

>>717952568
It does.

Personally star wars was never that good and overrated, star trek was far superior

>try to make long reply
>keeps getting blocked as spam
Fuck off hiro you stupid useless gook.

>>717952260
andor was such a fucking shit I genuinely dont get it how people hype it so much, must be because its much better than all other slop
>force prison labor to assemble some I assume precise machinery for death start in s1 which cannot be manufactured in future because plot demands it
>let retarded senator give speech in s2 and speech itself is retarded
>meero not neutralizing main guy but needs to give him villian speech so plot can happen
>main guy is some retarded colonel which betrayed his people he was supposed to lead into battle cos he felt bad about children but also ruthless and cunning when plot demands it
>his trainee is such a fucking super assasin she just walked into facility guarded by elite internal security units and just shot everyone full on mary sue style
>whole clerc side kick meeros husbands plotline, he just goes wherever plot needs him too
it was genuinely not great. not to the level of I want watch it and it had some good moments and impresssive writing (mostly start of s1) but its mid at best. the fuck?

>>717942184 (OP)
>movie was so bad I don't remember that part

>>717952682
based

>>717942383
honestly not that bad of an answer.
>starchild
>leviathan dlc
those seem straight out of disney wars

>>717944347
>>717945107
Season one is fine, the second season just sucked.
Both seasons are improved if you skip almost all of the Mon Mothma scenes.

>>717942184 (OP)
Wait a minute that card...

>>717943290
kek some random boonie jedi rogues take off his arm. Lord vader himself, kek, these niggahs really stupid writing shit up like this

All star wars content should have 2 be blasted on 4chan for all the niggahs to review if they want to make any good shit, for real

>Andor was bad akshually
Name 2 pieces of media that were Star Wars related that were better than Andor that released after the Disney acquisition. Go.
Pro Tip: You can't

>>717942584
>You can't even really blame the 3rd movie for shitting the bed so much
You absolutely fucking can. Most of TROS's flaws are of its own making.
>didn't need to bring Palpatine back, especially not in the worst way possible (a fucking Fortnite event, "The dead speak!", "Somehow Palpatine returned.").
>dagger was dumb.
>Rey being a Palpatine was dumb
>Chewie's fake death was dumb
>horse scene was dumb
>I'M DUH SPY was dumb
>Rey calling herself Skywalker was dumb
And overall it's just not a well-made movie. Outside of the really bad moments there's nothing memorable about the movie. TLJ for all its flaws had a lot of standout scenes. TFA had its moments despite the nostalgiabaiting. TROS is just a piece of shit.

>>717952463
But I wear pants

>>717952596
>health is only genitals
Why are gooners like this? It's not like they will ever procreate themselves.

>>717952786
does the last season of clone wars count

>>717952879
>t. barren roastie

>>717942184 (OP)
Whenever the villain says "Ah you killing all of my men and beating my ass was all part of the plan!"
As much as I love him, Liquid Snake. Literally his whole plan hinges on everyone else being a stormtrooper and either fucking up royal, or intentionally letting themselves be killed. Still a great game, just makes me chuckle when I think about it in hindsight. Every game over I got was probably accompanied by liquid going "FUUUUARRK" and reprimanding the shit out of his subordinates.

>>717944834
>>717949537
Let's not forget that each one of these star destroyers has a planet ending super laser
No, not the weak ass shit on the 10 times larger Eclipse that could only delete ships and it still took most of the hull to fit the thing
That little shit stuck to the keel can blow up planets

>>717952672
>THE VERY EMBODIMENT OF THE DARK SIDE
>its just a femcel with BPD

>>717952682
star trek is mad gay, star wars has cool mofo bad guys who kill niggahs for breathing up their air. They got saucy niggahs with blaster boots flying around dabbing on top level niggahs. They got old man type of niggahs sitting in chairs killing other dangerous niggahs with lighting. Star trek got lizard guys, forehead freaks and they space pussy aint even diverse, where the shawty with talkin about two long as hornes where dem tatted up bitches with death sticks? Fuck star trek

>>717952786
All of post-Yidsney SW is bad

>>717952786
>name two dog turds that were better than dog vomit ever since the dog got food poisoning

>>717952774
and then Vader murders them, they always hype up his opponents only for them to lose. Its not exactly interesting to read when you know there is no tension.

>>717952248
>>717952723
The prison episodes seem to come out of nowhere. Like they got too many episodes and needed filler.

>>717942732
>Don't ask questions just consume the sloppa and get excited for the next round of sloppa
It's free entertainment to watch them shoot themselves repeatedly in the dick and wonder why their pants are stained red.

>>717952979
He do be spittin doe
*chirp*

>>717952997
I accept your concession.

>>717952953
Why the red lines?
Makes it look like the New Republic built it

>>717952723
>>meero not neutralizing main guy but needs to give him villian speech so plot can happen
She's shown to be prideful and in it for the glory, she wanted to gloat to the man who she had bested. That was a character arc.

>>717953064
Accept my dick in your mouth

>>717949340
yeah and in ANH obi wan gave a total fucking retard teen a lightsaber and told him to swing it around and somehow the kid didn't vaporize a limb or something

>>717952979
No one on the history of mankind has ever said that outside of your overtly cartoon strawman characterization
>I'm dat black Star Wars nigga doe
Post hand with timestamp then.

>>717953019
Getting thrown into prison isn't really something that's built up to. Plus, it gave the main character a more personal reason to fight the empire.

>>717953019
yeah I felt the same
overall pacing in entire show is very wierd in a way where they put characters out of action in a very unnatural way so plot can happen and its very visible. same with the start of s2.
I would have been fine with prison episodes if they were also less convoluted rather than
>hey we need prison labor to assemble this extremely easy to assemble pieces which we cannot make machines to assemble despite having machines to deliver that shit to prison. its just so fucking overcomplicated. just make them mine some plot minerals for those things or something.

>>717950131
>she wants to destroy the Force because it has "some control" over her even though the first movie established it's symbiotic
The movies reference destiny and the will of the Force and letting the Force guide you pretty frequently. It's a two way street, you wield the Force as much as the Force guides you. That's the symbiosis. Kreia is mostly just skeptical about how benevolent this guiding force actually is.
>The Jedi have to all act like Mace Windu (and there's only three of them in the entire universe) because Avellone can't have the player sympathizing with anything besides Kreia's perspective.
Zez Kai Ell and Kavar are both sympathetic when they meet you. It's only once they get back together with Vrook that they start getting sanctimonious again. Vrook is pretty much the embodiment of the judgy Jedi Council behavior that Lucas harps on in the prequels.
>Kreia's assumption that the Force causes conflict and creates Jedi and Sith in equal measure is retarded just from what Phantom Menace already established (Avellone didn't pay attention)
Well going by Phantom Menace, Anakin was immaculately conceived in order to bring balance to the Force. In other words, the Force literally created a person to act on its need for balance. But even Force Jesus got seduced by the Dark Side and ended up destroying the Jedi. That raises a lot of questions about the nature of the Force and its apparent will.
>how would she argue it's not controlling her actions?
She can't and that's what makes her so mad. Kreia is a hypocrite and she basically cops to it if you point it out to her.
In the end, Kreia's true goal was always (you). She manipulated you into destroying the Sith and Jedi (or gathering the Jedi so she could destroy them) so that the slate was cleaned and it was just you. That included killing her too. She believed that you, who was able to truly abandon the Force, were the only person worthy to decide the fate of the Force.

>>717951289
Wait a minute, that card.

This.

>>717943779
>inject leftist identity politics in a series initially devoid of it
You got it backwards. Star Wars has always been a very politically charged series. The sequels had no politics whatsoever. They were rehashes of the originals without any understanding of their nuance. People get this mixed up because they think Disney's social media posting
>The Rebellion says trans rights!
is the movies being political, when it's just a corporation virtue signaling (except in China and Saudi Arabia because they have no values besides money). Lucas meanwhile said the Emperor was Richard Nixon, made the ewoks the Viet Cong while the stormtroopers were Americans and had Palpatine's subversion of democracy in the prequels be a take on the Patriot Act.

>>717951901
>bored

It was that the movies were garbage.

>>717946646
Thought the puzzles were more about keeping the draugr in than to keep others out. The real security measure was the dragon key which would have been kept secure but have gone missing over the centuries.

31 year old here who never really cared for space opera fantasy stuff
Why are stormtroopers both bad guys and good guys? Is it some kind of template that prints them out and either side hires them?

>>717953286
>Lucas meanwhile said the Emperor was Richard Nixon, made the ewoks the Viet Cong
cringe
>and had Palpatine's subversion of democracy in the prequels be a take on the Patriot Act.
based

>>717953224
Boy I aint got no candy for yo ass, NO CANDY

>>717952952
>key to a nuclear weapon system
>it's literally one piece of plastic that acts as 3 different keys if you know the trick
>know that and get the piece of plastic and you're good to go on launching nukes
>also there's no way the US government can verify whether or not they have the ability to do it
Worst nuclear security system ever.

>>717951863
>game has a railroaded scene to say "don't just automatically pick the good boy or bad boy option"
>makes people seethe eternally

>>717952723
The way Luthen was taken is fucking stupid
He is 100% the guy who has a thermal detonator lodged up his ass ready to blow because he can't risk capture

>>717953142
it was handled in too obvious way. I wont bother if it was normal starwars but entire andor supposed to be gritty and realistic, thats tone they went for. Whole meero scene screamed satarday cartoon villian falls for most obvious outcome. Cannot supress my disbelief.
There were really masterful scenes in contrast where guy kills his informant which asks him to be rescued in exchange for information. That felt completely natural.

>>717953345
They're brainless mooks that are stand-ins for the SS under Space Hitler's control, whether or not some turn and defect against space Hitler depends on how they feel as they whatever atrocities they are witness to at that time. Most of them exist just to be blasted by the heroes as cannon fodder.

>>717953425
The fuck off nigga, This is whyte boy territory anyhow.

>>717952723
Holy shit this post is so retarded as you are repeatedly wrong.
>>main guy is some retarded colonel which betrayed his people he was supposed to lead into battle cos he felt bad about children but also ruthless and cunning when plot demands it
Because you will cope and seethe and demand where you were wrong i'll answer one. he wasn't a colonel you retarded speedwatcher

>>717953345
please respond

>>717953286
This.
The fact that the sequel trilogy had basically no politics at all was one of its main issues.
We get no understanding of how the New Republic worked and why it failed.
If anything TFA went out of its way to avoid politics by blowing up all the Republic planets. They saw all the people who called the Senate scenes in the prequels "boring" and overcorrected by removing all the political intrigue.
Yes we get blatant "First Order = Nazis" symbolism but that's the lowest common denominator for writing villains and it doesn't actually reflect the First Order as a whole because it's still incredibly diverse. Meanwhile in the original trilogy the Rebels were diverse (in Empire and Return at least) and the Empire was consistently nothing but white guys.

>>717951901
Ticket sales going down for each convective movie in a trilogy is pretty normal. It happened with the OT and the PT with return and revenge doing worse than new hope and phantom respectively.

The main difference was online perception between movies. That's what really brought down ticket sales this time around.

>>717953345
In the prequels they're clones Obi Wan found so they use them to fight robots
Then it turns out that the Emperor hits a switch to turn them on the Jedi and then the empire uses them as troopers

>>717953649
they are explicitly on one side since their inception. The people they serve just swap to an imperial rule.

>>717953427
"Now snake, by my estimates the nuclear launch protocol for REX has been completed!"
"Nah, I lost that card a while ago."
"Where? HOW?"
"It's a tiny card, dude. Probably just misplaced it. Sorry."
"BUT YOU WERE TOLD IT WAS IMPORTANT!"
"I dunno, he said there were two more. I'm sure I'll find those fine enough. I used to mush wolves, I'll be fine."
"What do wolves have to-"
>live action footage of wolves running around
"Yea, wolves. They're like dogs, only more favored by furries. The history of the wolf traces back to the ancient times, where people saw wolves."

>>717953659
sperg letter media and its consequences

>>717953659
>We get no understanding of how the New Republic worked and why it failed
we do, in books and comics no one reads.

>>717946796
algorithm spying this thread and showing me videos of some guy laughing at the sea of star wars toys rotting in walmart...

>>717942184 (OP)
the witness

>>717953713
>>717953725
Wait so like
4 5 6 are the first ones right
I watched them back in the 90s
and then 1 2 3 are later on?
So the stormtroopers start out as good guys but are bad guys in the latter trilogy?
Why is there aim so bad then, couldn't they have cloned someone not shit?
And why do they use armor? It doesn't stop blasters or anything so they just instantly die, may as well wear nothing?
Also do like mini lightsabers exist? Like a lightshiv or something.

>>717953545
I would expect his entire shop to be mined, yet even his terminal for spynet werent

Disney fumbled it so hard that not even zoomers and alphas feel nostalgia for the sequels.

>>717953639
I dont remember what rank he was what I remember is how he betrayed his people when they needed orders and somehow this portrayed as a good action while in reality its the most despicable and treacherous thing to d, to leave your men to die when they rely on you the most.

>>717953850
It's even sillier when you consider that suicide tooth tech was already canon in SW

>>717953838
>Why is there aim so bad then, couldn't they have cloned someone not shit?
>Arguing the realism and logic of media plot devices
Incredibly reddit coded.

>>717953950
nah

>>717953838
no they are bad guys by the time 4 - 6 start and they are no longer using the clone template to make them.

In 1-2 and parts of 3 they are specifically all a clone of one guy whos known to be able to kill force users with guns ect. Basically the bad guy changes the politics and turns himself into emperor by creating an a fake threat in the galaxy through civil war and trade wars ect. Once that army was fully setup and accepted by the people, he frames the jedi into looking like they are trying to usurp his position. Jedi are marked for kill on site from there on.

>>717953950
>X coded
Stop speaking like Twitter cunts

>>717953828
people fighting over starwars slop when this is the only post answering OP

>>717953938
He wasn't the officer, that was someone else, and he was having a full blown ptsd moment over what they were doing.

>>717954053
OK that makes more sense then, thanks. Really confusing overall to be honest. Has a single stormtrooper ever killed a jedi in the movies though? And how was that guy so good he could kill 'em but the rest suck?
Thank you though

>>717954054
Retard coded.
Might even be overt.

>>717953345
>Why are stormtroopers both bad guys and good guys?
The clones from the prequels are not the same as the stormtroopers. The former were cloned from the best bounty hunter in the galaxy and were actually incredibly proficient. In spite of that, they were actually only a few degrees of seperation from droids and were equipped with chips that allowed anyone with clearance to switch their allegiance at will, which the Emperor did with Order 66.

>>717953639
and I can even give you example of this trope being used right
in dd2 champion old sergant guy is a general of the army which is wrecked by guilt over leading his men to the slaughter when he was yound and inexperiences and full of himself. its such a powerful and tragic backstory. and very realistic too.

>>717953838
>Why is there aim so bad then, couldn't they have cloned someone not shit?
on the deathstar its because they want them to escape, so they can track them, the rest is because the rebellion is sabotaging their gear. As for the clones they were expensive, and when you got a leader who doesn't really care about lives, you can just human wave tactic.
>And why do they use armor? It doesn't stop blasters or anything so they just instantly die, may as well wear nothing?
Movie shit, they got to seem defeatable.
>Also do like mini lightsabers exist? Like a lightshiv or something.
Yoda's lightsaber in your hand would seem like one.

>>717954135
Stupid fucking turbo nigger-coded post

I don't give a shit if it would have been woke or shit, Finn should have been the MC and should have became a jedi. How they botched this shit is beyond me especially when it would have been cool to play as him more in games

>>717954131
They do when they are order to turn on them. I guess them catching the Jedi by surprise and having numbers helped.
They supposedly wiped out most Jedis but then it turns out all kinds of Jedi survived

>>717954131
yes they killing hundreds in raid on the jedi temples. You can write off the bad aim in the later films as a lighter tone for a family movie. The prequals have a drastic change in tone and are little more serious. Main reason he added Jar Jar to the series was to lighten it up. They also have some gay lore reasoning being that troopers no longer come from the OP guys DNA and are just regular retards with guns

>>717954185
Now you're getting it

Lucas' idea was better

>>717954145
That's pretty fucked up
why would the Jedi do that? Like aren't they the good guys? mass-producing clones with switches to control them?
>>717954181
very funny lol
>>717954232
>>717954235
Ah I guess. I always figured there was like
10 jedi niggas in the world and that was it
shame they're just regular tards with guns

>>717954079
so? he needs to deal with that shit and then do his buiseness when battle is over. not backstab his men. its his duty.
not to mention that having ptsd during action goes completely contrary to his charatcer which is ruthless and doesnt allow himself any indecision.

>>717942184 (OP)
Nothing can match the massive retcon of decades of lore and the lack of a conclusion to the Abeloth saga.

>>717954286
>mass-producing clones with switches to control them?
Palpatine did that all on his own, the jedi were not aware of it.

>>717952021
I still hate JarJar

>>717954302
DUDE HE WAS ACTUALLY THE SILLY SILLY FRUIT AND HIS POWER WASNT RUBBER IT WAS THE ANYHTING YOU WANT TO DO POWER!!

>>717954187
Honest to god I thought he was going to be a parallel to Luke and was so excited when he pulled the saber on emo boy, but then actually the movie is about Rey the most boring literal Mary Sue i've ever seen
Also he was the only person in the movie even trying to act, fuck Disney so much

>>717954293
They aren't his men, he is a grunt... That ruthlessness you talk about don't come till afterward.

>>717951003
Shush

>>717954251
Sounds kinda dumb, but I honest to god have more faith in Lucas executing his dumb vision than the soulless husks at Disney fucking around aimlessly.

>>717953649
>It's over Scoob

>>717954251
>Darth Talon, who was in the comic books
Hasn't Lucas said on multiple occasions that he never uses stuff from the EU?

>>717954302
Ehh, they mostly said that the whole thing would end up with Luke and Leia finding the dagger of Mortis and would use it to kill Abeloth, who would end up recovering way faster than they thought

>>717953950
How can you take over a galaxy with shit aim?

>>717954542
in lore they dont have shit aim. Its just obviously they can't gun down the heroes.

>>717954490
No, he said he doesn't follow the EU canon, not that he doesn't take ideas from it.
Things like Coruscant, Aayla Secura or the idea of lightsabers being able to block Force lightning come from the EU.

>>717954302
>Abeloth
Post 19ABY EU was hilariously bad and I'm tired of pretending it wasn't.
For me the EU ends at Jedi Academy.

>>717954542
Because the writers wrote it that way, and everyone loved it, and it made a literal billion dollars.

>>717954187
>Finn should have been the MC
Really should of when you realize hes the only fucking one with a backstory.

>>717953345
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVz637-p9Ho

>>717953734
lmao

>>717954490
There are like 4-5 Lucas sequel plans that float around only that one is the most reposted.

>>717953774
We do know why it failed from the movies though
>send barely any help to solve a problem
>problem escalated to you getting nuked instantly
If the location of Luke was hosted on one of the republic planets, the first order would have to.invade first to get it because Snoke would order them to. They failed because they were retarded.

>>717954628
I assure you that if Abeloth appeared exactly as she's in the novels the waifufagging would never stop.

>>717954671
>>717954187
You just know after this released, the bean counters called a meeting with the writers about concerning numbers in China...

>>717954671
>the "TRAITOR!!!!" guy
So much missed potential its not even funny

>>717948245
I'll admit when I was a kid it was the Genndy Clone Wars cartoon and Lego that I really loved. The movies were cool but it was more that I liked them because I liked the cartoon and stuff, not the other way around. Worth noting that this applied to the OT too. I warmed to the movies over time and eventually loved them as a whole, but the 2D Clone Wars is still the core of what I love about Star Wars.

>>717954286
The whole thing was the Emperor (back when he was just Chancellor) engineering a proxy galactic war in order to distract the Jedi while he accumulated political power. Once the Jedi had caught on to him right as the war was ending, he flipped the switch, eliminate the Jedi, and declared himself Emperor.
Bonus propaganda points, the Jedi had basically tried to assassinate him right beforehand, so he got to flaunt the scars to portray the Jedi as traitors and win public sympathy.

>>717945986
She was the nu-trilogy Boba Fett, only her thunder got stolen by one of the nameless stormies and then she died anticlimactically anyway.

>>717943179
Except Irvine didn't have amnesia, knew them all from when they were kids, and just... never mentioned it.

>>717952953
I always wanted an animation of the heros backup arriving at exogaul, only for all the star destroyers to fire that massive canon at once, turing them all to ash instantly. It would be great

>>717954810
haven't really thought about it but damn yeah
that has got to be the most positive iconic moment from the sequel trilogy (every other iconic moment is just some dogshit moment that people laugh at still)

>>717954187
>1st movie has him do some pretty cool stuff even if it doesn't make much sense, along with potential to set something up with Phantasma and that random Stormtrooper later on but primarily gets sidelined for Rey
>2nd movie completely gets shafted by spending most the movie hunting for some dude that amounts to nothing in the end except having a small scene with silver stormtrooper bitch
>3rd movie has him get turned into comic relief where he does nothing of importance beyond just screaming for Rey
Why though

>>717945637
I skipped the movie after being turned off by the first and second. News filtered through to me that it disappointed even further so I assumed I was correct not to bother with it. I thought nothing of it for years. Now seeing this thread I'm curious. Expected mediocrity in line with the first two. I didn't expect... this.

>>717942732
Disney was high on their MCU success at the time. Kathleen Kennedy complained that Star Wars was harder to develop than the MCU since there was no source material to pull stories from like the MCU had.

>>717942924
George had the general feeling of what he wanted to do. He had all these ideas bouncing around in his head and in various treatments and it was just matter of putting them together in a way that made sense in his head. Even when he had other people direct V and VI, he was still involved and he still got the final say. Pic related. The audience are the blind people, Star Wars is the elephant, George is the only person with working eyes.

>>717944615
>>717944780
This idea comes from before Disney took over. It is stupid but I maintain it's a cool idea.

>>717954658
>[Rasputin plays in the background]

>>717953019
>>717952723
it was decent before they got to the prison
I'm just not gonna watch S2

>>717955042
Doesn't even make sense coming off the MCU since the MCU only steals a handful of broad notions from the comics and then largely does its own stuff.

>>717955102
>The Falcon is watertight, because it's airtight, so it can go underwater, right?
Someone hasn't watched Futurama

>>717948245
Pretty much. I still remember watching Phantom Menace in theaters and hating anything that wasn't Darth Maul. Didn't like Clone Wars or Revenge of the Sith either, however the Gendy Clone Wars specials and the series that came after it? I'll watch those, but that's as far as I'll go with anything Prequel.

>>717954810
TR-8R could have been what they wanted Phasma to be. They wanted a cool Boba Fett character and tried to force Phasma to fill that roll, while never doing anything interesting with her. Then our boy comes out of nowhere, smacks the shit out of one of the MCs, and just dies. Fans decide who the next Boba Fett is and Disney refused to listen and cash in.
Imagine our boy being part of Finn's original training squad, rising through the ranks, and being the final obstacle that Finn needed to overcome to prove himself as a capable soldier in the end of the trilogy.

>no New Jedi Order
>New Republic is a basically the Canadian government with its "if you kill the enemy it wins" shit, then gets insta killed by Death Star 3
How boring and lame can you be.

I miss the "FOR THE REPUBLIC, DEATH TO THE EMPIRE" NR that didn't fuck around.

>reveal the plot twist of your new film by doing a fucking Fortnite event
what were they smoking

>>717953345
So, there's one set of stormtroopers called clonetroopers that are fighting for the good guys in the prequel trilogy. They are clones that are printed out for combat.
The main bad guy of the original trilogy took control of the good guys and turned them into the empire. The stormtroopers you see in the original trilogy are the successors to the clonetroopers. Instead of being clones, they are just regular people who sign up for military work.
When the empire fell, a smaller remnant of it later rose up to try and fill it's place. This group kidnapped children to train them up into a new set of stormtroopers.

>>717954960
>>1st movie has him do some pretty cool stuff even if it doesn't make much sense, along with potential to set something up with Phantasma and that random Stormtrooper later on but primarily gets sidelined for Rey
He is the joke character. He literally states later in the movie that he worked in sanitation. Undercutting things with a joke is the Marvel influence shit.

>>717944794
>but ask anyone to sit down and fully watch through PT and AotC and they'll find an excuse not to.
PT isn't good but it's enjoyable
AOTC is the worst movie sequels included and I say that as someone who loves the Geonosian parts

>>717955326
Did the majority of Fortnite players even care about Star Wars?

>>717955212
It's even worse when you add in the shows and you get this weird picture of the New Republic as being nosy and bureaucratic. Motherfuckers have space traffic cops prowling around the Outer Rim.

>>717948869
It was especially pointless since the EU was never truly canon. It got retconned by movies and tv shows all the time. They didn't need to dump out the whole thing when it was only ever canon by default for stuff that wasn't contradicted by bigger media.

>>717947816
I still don't get why ME was so loved, its just space opera slop without anything original going for it and a bunch of cliche tropes.

>>717954960
Organisational schizophrenia due to trying to balance different incommensurable flavours of woke as well profitability.

>>717955441
II is a good story told badly. VIII is a bad story told in a mediocre fashion. IX is a bad story told badly.

>>717955643
I always thought of it as Lucas using a bulldozer, tearing down what he didn't want and making way for what he did.
Disney just torched the entire town.

>>717944202
I was annoyed they didn't bring back Lando earlier since he was part of the main cast even if he didn't appear until midway through Empire. Then they do because they killed off everyone else and he just looks like a confused old man and is also the father of Finn because I guess there's only two black families in the entire galaxy.

>>717955727
as well as*

>>717955856
I hate it when they do that
>oh by the way this random character is the child of that guy, you remember that guy right?? anyway he's old now, oops he died hehe

>>717948869
>I still can't wrap my head around how they threw out the entire EU, employed like 10 Star Wars lore experts to keep the new canon consistent and that's the stories they came up with
To play devil's advocate I think it made sense. Star Wars has expanded media going all the way back to the beginning and fuck, even comics got messy when the OT sequels came along and changed things (like Vader being Luke's father). It is hard to keep it all straight. Rebooting the EU didn't erase those stories from existence. Just made it so that they wouldn't have to always pay lip service to various things and could have a fresh start. In theory this was a fine strategy if they had actually decided to play to the strengths of an EU reboot.

Now the issue is that the people they employed were politically active and decided to inject their politics into all these nu-canon projects (do we need an ABC squadron and non binary characters?), that and they couldn't even keep the nu-canon straight because they began contradicting themselves (Kanan comics were contradicted by his appearance in Bad Batch etc) and the nu-canon explanation of the Resistance was retarded (the New Republic demilitarised for reasons and Leia had to make the resistance?) The stories they wanted to tell with the new EU was just plain awful. And they stopped paying old EU writers for a while and that became a thing.

>>717955856
>and is also the father of Finn
Nah Lando was the father of the black woman in RoS.

>>717942584
If it were up to me I'd just make it the biggest slop mark fantasy ever then add two year timeskips between every movie so the side media crew can fill in the blanks with whatever the fuck they want

>>717946486
I cannot fathom why would anyone want to read even a single page of rat "canon" novels

>>717945078
Basically the new season of Andor gave an origin story for his funny robot buddy from Rogue One, the director not caring that they had given the robot buddy a completely different origin story in a comic book like 7 years ago. The guy supposedly in charge of keeping Disney canon all in order, when asked by a fan about there now being two contradictory origin stories, in effect admitted that live action directors are allowed to ignore and contradict anything established in the comics or videogame stories or books whenever they damn please. Thus in effect saying none of the Nu "expanded universe" which Disney made such a big point of saying is all super-canon, is actually worthless and can be thrown out at any time on a whim if the writer of whatever new season of the Glup Shitto show on Disney+ feels like it.

>>717955102
>'What if the Emperor's chamber had crash-landed after the second Death Star explosion?' That doesn't make any sense

>>717942584
It got dealt a shit hand (at least half of which JarJar did to himself) but the end result is so abysmally terrible no amount of hackson fuckery can excuse it

>>717955102
>>717956790
Worst part is it didnt even crash on Endor, but on another moon.

>>717953734
>The history of the wolf traces back to the ancient times, where people saw wolves
fuck you I lost

>>717956724
The Acolyte couldn't even keep from contradicting its own canon, let alone external material so that's hardly news

>>717954628
If you had taste you'd end at The Unifying Force.

>>717944307
>Death Star wreckage
>When one of the most famous and reprinted frames in all of cinema history, known by people who haven't even watched the movie, shows the Death Star being atomized into microscopic particulate right in front of our eyes.

I'll take this moment to shamelessly shill Mauler's very long videos on the Star Wars sequel trilogy, those being three of his Unbridled videos, "Star Wars cannot grow up" and his multipart critiques of TFA and TLJ.
He goes scene by scene, dismantling everything in them meticulously, it really shows just how fucked the whole thing is.
>BUUHHH TOO LONG
Who the fuck would watch the whole thing in one go? That's on you if you do that.