Thread 717946460

Jesus Christ I've never played a game where exploration was as unrewarding as this piece of shit.
>check every nook and cranny
>here's your dime a dozen, worthless crafting material bro!
I don't know why people have been riding this game's dick so much. The world is absolutely fucking empty.

Wow it's almost as if /v/ is flooded by paid corporate shills around the clock and the dickriding of the entire soultrash series despite being pure jank and asset flips was never organic, to begin with.

itt: thread full of retarded faggots

>>717947064
Tranny hurt itself in confusion!

>>717946668
2 GOTY awards

Only ADHD retards need a linear corridor with a dopamine hit every 10 seconds. Back to tikitok kiddo

gib grabes blz

>>717947757
>implying goty means anything

>>717947757
>geoff keighley sucks off kojima on stage and behind closed doors, this must mean death stranding is the greatest thing since big chungus!

>>717946460 (OP)
It has an absurd bloat problem.
The world is far too big.
Traversal is dull.
There are far too many items and weapons because 99% of them are absolutely useless.

>>717946460 (OP)
>>717946668
Samefag tranny

>>717949440
Elden Ring is like the castlevania 2 of modern games.
>To proceed, locate the Key of Woe from Godrick the Graveyard Duck (tm).
.... ok then where the fuck is that?
>*npc gives you no other information*

>>717948950
Death stranding didn't even win!

>>717949440
>The world is far too big
It's about the size of a GTA map.

>>717946668
its almost like the entire internet is fake and one giant ad run by bots

>>717946460 (OP)
It really is stark how Miyazaki did absolutely nothing to take advantage of the open world. No towns, camps, or, human communities of any kind in the world you are fighting to rule over. No roaming enemies. No enemies who stalk you through the landscape. No climbing, swimming or any traversal mechanics apart from the horse, which just allows you run through the empty landscapes faster. Crafting only exists to thin out the rewards you find in the open world.

It's just so lifeless and mindless. Everything of interest is in the dungeons, which begs the question: Apart from the cool landscape stills that everyone loves looking at pictures of, why did they even make the open world in the first place?

>>717949767
I am sorry that someone on the internet doesn't like your favorite video game.

>>717949545
You've never played the game. To beat elden ring you beat any two 2 of 5 major bosses, 3 of which live in giant conspicuous castles and one of which lives in the heart of a fortress built into the peak of a volcano. Then you go to the giant tree that you can see from everywhere on the map, go into the big city and kill the boss there. Then you follow the linear path to giant bowl thatteleports you directly to the final dungeon. Every step of this is told to you directly through dialogue.

Not that there isn't a lot of shit you can miss or that's obscure or hard to figure out alone, but it's all periphreal.

>>717949739
>why did they even make the open world in the first place?
Normies eat that slop up with a ladle and call it lunch

>>717949739
Skyrim is a bad videogame and you should grow up

>>717946460 (OP)
empty and repetitive with same camps of mobs over and over, often just reskins in new areas. like last few souls game, they jsut do boss rush and soul farm to lvl 100 or whatever to be overlevelled. its a joke game design and ds1 was only good game from them.

>>717949807
You should be sorry about yourself, this isn't healthy

>>717949917
I have never played Skyrim. Are you bringing it up because it has all the things I mentioned? They all seem like pretty basic ideas if you're going to make 'what if outside, but big?' the selling point of your game.

>>717946460 (OP)
fell off after dark souls 2 really
des ds1 and ds2 were the only good ones

>>717949563
And GTA also has cars and planes to traverse that distance more quickly. In the case of V it has also has been criticized for most of the map being empty and devoid of purpose.

>>717950084
>I have never played Skyrim
Yes you have. In fact it's all you play, and you're mad From made a videogame instead of a Bethesda trademark faffing about simulator.

>>717950232
>And GTA also has cars and planes to traverse that distance more quickly
And elden ring gave you a double jumping horse. Even if you're just beelining from one ckeckpoint to the next you'll never be just travelling for more than a minute or two at a time, tops.

>>717949821
nta but that issue is majorly present in the side quests of the game, which are a huge part of pretty much any RPG

>>717950264
I have never played a Bethesda game in my life apart from an hour playing Oblivion on a friend's computer. I have hundreds of hours in From Software's games.

Elden Ring is a mindless Dark Souls but bigger game, that does absolutely nothing of interest to take advantage of its open world.

Base game was ok but i absolutely regret buying the DLC giant waste of money i did finish it but it was a chore.

>>717946460 (OP)
The problem is even though they added "respecs" it's still too restrictive, too annoying to frequently due to artist vision being more valuable to FromSoft than player convenience and isn't unlocked until double digit hours for most players.

The game throws such a wide variety of shit at you yet realistically you're only going to be able to make use of 5% of it. In a game like Elden Ring experimentation should be convenient and infinitely accessible from the beginning.

>>717950381
Oh amazing, horse platforming, tysm fromsoft for the innovation in game design, they're truly visionaries. Incredible that nobody thought to include platforming with intentionally shoddy and unresponsive controls before. More to the point, if the solution to your game being an open world being tiresome to traverse is to just fast travel to the littany of checkpoints, then it really calls into question if the game should even be open world in the first place. Also you're still avoiding the point which was about the world being too large for the amount of stuff in it.

>>717946460 (OP)
It's a hack & slash game, made for the ADHD zoom zoom audiences, who don't give a fuck about world exploration, lore or even aesthetics.

The game is extremely half-baked, and proves that Soulslop only works in a small, confined, more linear form. And even then you're essentially just playing a slower paced Gauntlet clone for 50+ hours.

Hopefully Convergence mod crosses the finish line cleanly. What I've played so far in <10h gets rid of so much tedium and replaced plenty of dogshit with good rewards.

It's not going to be something like Mario Eclipse which imo replaces Sunshine but hopefully I won't need to play vanilla ER anymore.

>>717949739
I look at it like this: elden ring is the new dark souls 2. Completely mindless nip-slop with no reason to exist, piggybacking off of idiot consumers. You'll notice the ds2 defenders and elden ring defenders are the same people after a while

>>717946460 (OP)
hopefully you explored the world in the correct order else you will miss nearly every character's story. but good luck remembering who they are and why they matter, since the world is the content is so spread out, it might be 100-200 hours before the next leg of their story begins. you may not even notice you skipped them.

>>717950381
>you'll never be just travelling for more than a minute or two at a time, tops.
Tell me how long it takes to get from the stormhill shack to the dectus lift, cuck

>>717950426
>I have never played a Bethesda game in my life
And yet you want From to spend their time making a gay ass skyrim clone

>>717946460 (OP)
Game is shit. if I wasn't addicted to invasions I would have dropped the game after Leyndell.

I found tonnes of weapons and shit in this game you're probably just too retarded and low IQ to know how to navigate anywhere.

>>717950791
>with intentionally shoddy and unresponsive controls
You just suck at videogames. That's all elden ring hate ever boils down to
>More to the point, if the solution to your game being an open world being tiresome to traverse is to just fast travel to the littany of checkpoints,
It isn't. The solution was to give you a fucking double jumping horse that lets you sprint across the map.
>Also you're still avoiding the point which was about the world being too large for the amount of stuff in it.
I'm not avoiding it, you're just wrong. From should have included way more preupgraded weapons though

>>717951021
>You'll notice the ds2 defenders and elden ring defenders are the same people after a while
Yes, people of taste, rather than retard autists with gen 7 nostalgia

>>717951178
If From wants to make an open world with nothing of value in it and create no interesting mechanics for interacting with it, then that's pretty fucking stupid, and makes me think they're just mindlessly following trends. What was cool about Dark Souls was how different it was from everything else being made at the time. I have no reason to play 'Dark Souls but bigger and dumber' and I won't be playing what they make going forward if they can't convince me it has a good reason to exist.

>>717946460 (OP)
You haven't explored the right bits bwo

>>717951172
Like 5 minutes maybe? And that's crossing all of Liurnia without stopping once, not even at places speedrunners would visit like Iji

>>717951413
>with nothing of value in it
Your idea of value is wrong (and rooted in nostalgia for Skyrim)

>>717946460 (OP)
every time a new game releases it has less features than the last, eventually games are going to be hyper realistic pacman with you walking and eating glowing orbs for no reason

>>717951519
Whatever helps you cope, I guess.

>>717946460 (OP)
So don’t. Unless you’re playing as a jack of all trades who regularly uses every tool at their disposal, including item crafting and spirit summons, why would you even bother to explore from a narrative standpoint. You’re just shooting yourself and then complaining about being shot.

>>717951667
Sounds like From Software should make worlds that are fun to explore.

>>717951319
Oh okay you're just retarded, got it. Good arguments bud you really got me. I love the cope from elden ring fans that people only dislike parts of the game because its "hard", when besides a handful of poorly designed bosses its by far the easiest of the souls games. Not that they would know this because its the only one they played. Yes the shit horse controls are intentional to filter players and an open world being boring is actually a good thing. Mmm yes Miyazaki-sama let me slurp your nip cock more. Please actually kill yourself or at least learn how to read.

>>717951413
>What was cool about Dark Souls was how different it was from everything else being made at the time.
Dark Souls in itself was a rehash of DeS you pathetic cuck, do you really think From was special for making a janky Metroidvania? Things like Curse of Darkness existed for years before that.

>>717951667
Okay so you do you know where to find the things that would fit your build then? Retard wiki reader, try playing games with being handheld for once

>>717948950
Kojima's games have been infinitely better than whatever slop you play lol

>>717951847
So are you upset that I don't like Elden Ring more or are you saying I should like it even less than I do?

>>717952087
From the main story quest, retard.

>>717951791
Sooo, keep doing what they've been doing?

>>717950685(me)
>>717951278
How are invasions are they actually fun or is netcode fucked and you get teleport faggots like in older games ?

>>717951319
it is pretty unresponsive. the clearest example is the delay between pressing jump and the character jumping. in all games I love jumping on everything, old habit from playing platformers as a kid. the delay on elden rings jumps is gross, but all of their games have sloppy jumps.
it also feels like they added more delays and penalties to switching weapons. it takes to long after an action before it accepts and input to switch weapons. And often the act of switching to early will prevent you from switching when its safe. Also not a great feel when stored inputs still exist with weird and inconsistent delays. like trying to jump or attack, but some other input cancels the action, then randomly the character does the action inputed 2 seconds ago. yeah sure, activate the ash of war two times.

This kind of thing also doesnt play well with how they design enemies to read player inputs. its all a bit to obvious when you use slower weapons. if you try to heal, lots of enemies have attacks to punish the player for trying to heal. loads of other scenarios where it feels like they timed the players actions, and made sure an enemies response would be fast enough to attack before the player regains control. enemy combos dont mesh well with this combat syle.

>>717952252
No, I'm just saying you're a derangement shitposter with a sore sphincter and you've been like that for years by now, making these garbage threads on a daily basis multiple times per day because the only thing that can bring some semblance of relief to your ravaged asshole is posting ragebait on /v/.

>>717951529
Features Elden Ring has that DS3 doesn't:
1. Open world map
2. A mount with double jumping
3. Mini dungeons
4. Actual puzzles
5. Interchangable weapon arts
6. Infusions and spells that don't suck dick
7. Enemy knockdown as a universal mechanic
8. Great runes
9. Spirit Summoning
10. Stealth
11. New status effects
12. The ability to freely jump
13. The wonderous physick
14. Poise that actually fucking works
15. Crafting
16. Consumables actually worth using
17. Estus refilling from killing groups of enemies
18. Some areas being actually kind of dark
19. Changing you appearance not being tied to a fucking respec

Features in DS3 that didn't make it to elden ring:
1. Covenants
2.

>>717952513
I'm not the OP. You seem upset that I don't like one game, while saying a game that is a direct predecessor is a piece of shit, and you are proud to call it such. I would like you state your opinion on Elden Ring clearly so I can know where you stand, that's all. If you're unwilling to do that, there's no point in going further with this.

>>717946460 (OP)
I think Elden Ring is a very good and fun game

I know this isn’t a Sekiro thread but I just started Sekiro lately. Is deflecting supposed to be this hard. I’m playing on PS4 base and it feels like the frame rate is fucking me up. It feels like it doesn’t actually deflect until half a second after I press deflect. This is okay with single attacks but with rapid attacks I can’t deflect. I can do the first one and then I’m forced to block the rest otherwise it won’t deflect even if I rapid tap deflect. Is this a console problem or do I just suck?

>>717951817
>when besides a handful of poorly designed bosses its by far the easiest of the souls games
You've never played it. Not that ER is all that hard (it's just a decent challenge) but DeS and DaS are baby games.
>Yes the shit horse controls
They're great actually. Probably the best horse controls of any game ever
>>717952436
>the clearest example is the delay between pressing jump and the character jumping.
There is no delay.
>if you try to heal, lots of enemies have attacks to punish the player for trying to heal.
Yes. You have to learn to deal with that. In some cases you can intentionally use it to bait and punish.

>>717952393
PC latency was always bad but it got worse after the first year, now it's basically unbearable but even if latency wasn't bad, the quality of invasions on PC is just really bad because the seamless baby mod took out most of the casual players from the invasion pool so you are stuck with griefers for the most part.
Console latency is pretty good and invasions seem okayish but if you are a long time invader then you know what late stage invasions are like for the most part.
Overall, it's definitely not worth buying for invasions anymore although the Tarnished edition will probably revitalize the game for a few months so if you consider getting the game for invasions and have a Switch 2 then wait for that.

>>717952721
You are OP

>>717952721
The only thing I'm mildly upset about is that mentally ill people like you are not in an asylum where they belong and are also allowed to post ragebait while hiding behind anonymity to further feed into their worst habits.
You keep making utterly ridiculous statements with no basis in reality and the try to weasel out of your own blunders by making appeals to the emotions of the people who expose you deranged behaviour.

Again, you've been doing this for years by now, your little crusade never went anywhere, the game sold 30 millions and will sell even more once the Switch 2 port release, you're not going to change any sort of public opinion, nor could you ever given you lack the acumen to actually make any sort of convincing argument.

>>717946460 (OP)
It's ok
But to me the worst thing is that there's no point in NG+

>>717952984
eat shit retarded faggot

>>717946460 (OP)
>shazamtrannies STILL, TO THIS DAY, crying about this game
Unbelievable…

>>717946460 (OP)
I'm sorry you got filtered

>>717953061
>I am having a melty because you don't like a video game in a series I proudly call janky garbage
Good luck overcoming whatever is bothering you.

>daily transvestite sperg out on the catalogue
one day it'll end and that's when i know you'll have killed yourselves

>double jump autist btfo so hard he's schizoposting images
SAD

>>717952984
>there is no delay
Bait.

>>717950002
Yes and posting your worthless reply is healthy

>>717955489
It's not delay, it's negative edge. Retard.

>>717952182
Kojima didnt make mgs. Cope seethe and dial 8 troonpedo

>>717952312
>main story quest
Which is?

>>717957045
Tell us more

>>717946460 (OP)
interesting spots have decent shit

dont be surprised when there isnt gold behind every fucking corner

>>717946460 (OP)
ER would unironically go from a 6.5/10 to an 8/10 if they axed the open world entirely. No other content outside of maybe short transition routes that connect the legacy dungeons, just remove the open world and redistribute shit across the legacy dungeons.

>>717957156
Follow the golden light, retard.

>>717950381
>Even if you're just beelining from one ckeckpoint to the next you'll never be just travelling for more than a minute or two at a time, tops.
This fucking liar. You must have fucking adhd or some shit if you're stopping to smell the flowers every two minutes.

>>717946460 (OP)
i started with DS3 and loved it
took the plunge on this and have dropped it 3 times already
no loot, and all the builds feel trash/samey

>>717952716
Now let's remove the shit that sucks, isn't necessary to the experience, and the straight up lies:
>Features Elden Ring has that DS3 doesn't::
1. Three new status effects (only 1 actually matters in pve, and just barely)

>Features DaS3 had that ER doesn't:
1. Covenants
2. Quality infusions and spells that don't suck

>>717949440
The world is actually too dense for most of the game.
It should have been bigger and emptier so you felt more lonely and isolated.

>Start a new playthrough
>Accidentally find the hidden platforming section under beastial sanctum
>Find unique item
>Still feel like there should be more exploration in the area

>>717950971
I am pretty excited for it, too.
Last I checked it was mostly just giving you a checklist to speedrun through that gave you a reason to visit weird places, which was pretty good. But expanding more on that is only for the better.

>>717951278
I genuinely cannot understand how you can enjoy PVP so much to play literally 1800 hours of it and yet hate the game.
This is utterly outstanding if you're being real.

>>717946460 (OP)
I loved finding random dungeons everywhere. Elden Ring nailed the table top exploration experience. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't great game.

>>717958568
Take your Adderall

>>717946460 (OP)
I have plenty of hours logged in ER but somehow I don't have the mental sense that I "played" the game. That's open world vs. Dark Soul's paths.

>>717946460 (OP)
Give us an example of an area in the game that you fell was unrewarding

>>717960554
I like the game.
But the Snowfields suck. The Mountaintops aren't much better.
If you aren't doing Ranni's quest Nokstella sucks.
If you aren't doing Fia's quest Deeproot sucks.
Dragonbarrow is just a pointlessly high scaled shithole with nothing in it that only serves to kill noobs with its crazy level scaling.
The DLC areas have an issue where they're so intricately designed but often don't have a lot of useful loot in them, that you spend a lot of time running back and forth looking for what you missed. Sometimes you did miss something, most of the time you didn't but they feel like there should be more there than there is.

>>717946460 (OP)
Mexicans love this fucking piece of shit.

>>717947064
>itt: thread full of retarded faggots
Before your post, there was only OP and someone else, so...

I'm sorry you dedicated your life to such an awful work of art. Please keep defending this until the day you die. It's entertaining.

>>717951021
I love DS2 and dislike ER, the open world is shit, stop that meme

I thought the vistas were rewarding enough desu. I love the art direction and the sense of scale is so good despite how small the map really is. I know, onions onions onions

>>717947757
its all geopolitical wanking, dont kid yourself
just like the oscar winners are all the slave or holocaust movies... shit like that

>>717953684
Maybe the game feels fun to play, I don't know, but souls has probably the ugliest and most garbage presentation of a game I have ever seen. How goofy everything looks, the spam rolling, and animations look all stiff, and the movement like ps2 levels. From a technical and presentation point of view, I simply cannot see how anyone can look at it and think it looks like anything but a pile of shit. If word of mouth never existed, I am positive this game series would never have sold nearly as well as it would have, even if it were ultimately fun to play.

>>717946460 (OP)
Filtered and you're brown

>>717946460 (OP)
yeah it's a Miyazaki game, it's brutal and fucks with you. now here's your fucking crab eggs

>Still causing daily seething threads 3 years after release
Game of the decade.

>>717946460 (OP)
I love oldest ring.
It's my favorite soles game.

>>717949739
>No towns, camps, or, human communities of any kind in the world you are fighting to rule over.
Too true. It's the personification of 'rule over the ashes'

I like the waifu who has the gamer neck

>>717946460 (OP)
is it fun, for someone who doesn't play soulslikes? I've played a few hours of nioh and nine sols.

>>717966667
>is it fun
Yup, unless you are contrarian

>>717966667
Probably not but I guess it could depend on what you don't like about typical Soulslikes.

that's what I love about playing Elden Ring on PC. There are so many mods that add in cool new shit or reward exploration. I've been playing through the ER Reforged mod, and in addition to new/updated bosses etc., they have a really cool "Runic Trace" system that rewards people who look in every nook and cranny and allows you to get additional small passive buffs like the Mastery system in Diablo 3.

>>717968185
>mods fix it
dare I say... Skyrim 2?

>>717968271
oh no, it's just like....one of the most iconic and prolific games of all time!

I hated how the best rewards they could come up with for the cookie cutter catacomb dungeons were stinky ashes you never want to use anyway. It should be a unique armament every time.

>>717968743
The reward was the dungeon itself
why do you zoomers need to constantly be given more and more loot just to make something worth it

>>717968795
>The reward was the dungeon itself
You're thinking Raya Lucaria. Pivoting the camera around every junction to look for imps is not rewarding.

>>717968795
sorry gramps, concepts like "delayed gratification" and "enjoying the journey not the destination" are foreign to the dopamine-addled zoomie mind

>>717968795
>>717969072
I'd rather light roll through Blight Town than do another catacombs.

>>717946460 (OP)
I found it kinda depressing. There's nothing roaming the earth except insane monsters and a few scattered sane NPCs that invariably meet horrific fates no matter what you do because screw you I guess. Why does out character even want the throne if he's just going to rule of ash and monsters and nothing more?

>>717946460 (OP)
Better than Skyrim.

>>717969917
Technically ruling the throne lets you change the laws of reality which is exactly what the different endings are.
The world is fucked for sure which is all the reason change needs to happen.

>>717947757
GOTY Award to /v/
>meaningless when awarded
>spams up the board with shitty threads predicting GOTY when awards show is close

I cry evrytiem

>>717958824
Everything I said matters and is true. Also DS3 spells and infusions suck dick

>>717960746
>If you aren't doing Ranni's quest Nokstella sucks.
>If you aren't doing Fia's quest Deeproot sucks.
In what regard? Deeproot in particular is super neat. I do wish it had a boss without Fia's quest though

>>717946460 (OP)
Soulsdrones are literally the bottom rung of gaming hierarchies. That's how.
The only reason the series gained traction was because dark souls came out at the peak of moviegame era and retards thought a game with a single fucking button was 'hardcore' and for 'real gamers'.

No, spending 10 minutes spamming roll and nipping at a bosses' heels is not 'hardcore'. It's just fucking tedious.
It's why Elden Ring, which was a downgrade in every way to previous souls games, was not only accepted but praised, even though all they did was add a Ubisoft-tier open world inbetween actual points of interest. The entire game was just adding a shitton of filler caves and dungeons and people saw this as a good thing.

Soulsdrones are not human.

>>717946460 (OP)
souls shit reminds me of call of duty or assassins creed games. they are genuinely fun for the first or two entries. then you ultimeatly realize that the franchise is milking the formula and they are going for the newer generation of gamers.

>>717971037
Which franchise isn't essentially milking its own formula?

>>717971037
This was exactly what happened to me.
Didn't have a console to play Demon's Souls when it came out, so I didn't try it.
Played Dark Souls on release, had fun.
Played Dark Souls 2 on release, got tired about halfway through with how repetitive and unfun it was, forced myself to finish it.
Played Dark Souls 3 quite a while after release because of Souls fatigue, got like... 5-10 hours in before I got bored and uninstalled.

It's always the same shit.
Hilariously, Sekiro was the only one that tried to change the formula a bit (and have an actual story) and it's one of the least popular games in the 'series'.

>>717970981
Elden Ring is the best game in decades and the best Souls game partially because it lets you just beat the shit out of enemies and bosses rather than being forced to dodge and hit. Also,

https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/filename/1503419360953.jpg/

You're a tremendous faggot.

>>717971185
Final Fantasy, for as much as you either love it or hate it, does try to change things up with new entries.
So does Metal Gear.
So does Zelda.

There are lots of franchises that aren't just milking sloppy, generic sequels.

>>717971219
>Elden Ring is the best game in decades
I really hope you're underage or close to it, otherwise I legitimately pity you.

You have zero standards and should've been gatekept out of my hobby.
Go play Nightreign.

>>717946460 (OP)
>check every nook and cranny
>here's your dime a dozen, worthless crafting material bro!
Sounds like every other fucking open world game ever released.
Regardless, I don't care.
Will continue play ER and all From games.

>>717971314
Final Fantasy has been milking its formula for more than a dozen games straight. Its only when it got too outdated for the current gaming market that they started reluctantly changing things. other than that almost every franchise is just more or less the same game, but with upgraded graphics and polished mechanics. Any fighting game, any shooter game, every Monster Hinter game etc. with minor changes are essentially the same game over and over again. AC and COD are being mocked mostly because they release titles way too often, like every year, while other take about 3-4 years to make a new one.

>>717971363
Name one better game

>>717972845
Demon's Souls, Dark Souls 1, 2, 3, Bloodborne, Sekiro.

>>717949440
You joyless fucks do it to yourselves, adult men pissing their pants and blaming the pants

>>717974050
That's at least five games.

>>717974050
Only Sekiro is better out of those. Possibly Bloodborne too, but debatable.

>>717974050
Elden Ring is better than Dark Souls 1, but inferior to every other game in the franchise. Demon's Souls on the PS3 was so fun and unforgettable that you could play it twenty times all over again and love it every time. But then Elden Ring is so tedious because of the open world slop that isn't even used properly that you just want to do 1 playthrough and leave it behind.

>>717974428
Dark Souls 1 aged like milk