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>>717953308 (OP)
dump the wads

>>717953308 (OP)
this or hexen?

>>717953884
Heretic is much better than Hexen in every way. Hexen is terrible. Fans try to pretend that it's just a matter of adapting to the level design, but the problem goes beyond that. The design of the monsters and weapons is not as balanced as Doom and Heretic.

>>717953884
They're very different games but if I had to choose, then Hexen.

I only play Hexen with Walpurgis nowadays. Never was a fan of hp bloat monsters.

>>717954529
>Hexen
>hp bloat monsters
What?

>>717954593
Baratus needs 3 punches to kill an ettin or 2 Timon Axe's strikes. That's okay. Now count how many mace strikes Parias needs. Plus slaughtaurs are absolute no fun allowed enemies, and yes, I know flechettes work but if you played DD expansion at least once, you know how cancerous their placement there is.

>>717954725
And nobody uses the mace after getting the Serpent Staff. HP bloat is not a thing in Hexen, at all.
>slaughtaurs
Two axe chops/hammer swings, 1 poison flechette and walk away, 1 wraithverge shot and everything dies, 1 frost shards melee+flechette, 1 arc of death and walk away. A literal non-issue.

>>717953884
Heretic always over Hexen, but I am curious to try their rebalanced retard-friendly Hexen since I might like it more. In fact I was feeling fucking schizo with the weapon balance in Heretic until I heard they apparently rebalanced stuff there too, and thus far I'd say it's an improvement. Might be making it a little easier but the weapons stand out more compared to Doom counterparts and largely feel better than they did

>>717953884
Hexen is a game I enjoy in concept more than actually playing it. I like looking at it, and hearing its music, and I like its themes and vibes, but every time I actually sit down to play Hexen, I have a bad time.

>>717955069
The best way to play Heretic is to use a wad called Wayfarer's Tome on top of your other wads that rebalances a lot of stuff. I wonder if their current rebalance is inspired by (or just straight up ripped off of) Wayfarer's.

>>717953884
Hexen any day of the week.

I like Hexen 2

>>717955257
I'm still pissed they cut Necromancer being able to actually raise dead from the game in production

>>717955240
They said in their Quakecon stream that Wayfarer's Tome was officially implemented in the remaster.

>>717953884
Heretic.

>>717953884
Hexen all the way

>>717953884
honestly with the new nightdive version it's hexen > heretic no contest
the changes are all very good
heretic is just a fantasy doom reskin

>>717953884
I prefer Hexen. It's got a Metroid feel to it and makes it a very unique experience.

>>717955327
No fucking way

>>717955178
How come?

>>717955467
5:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pANcjjPnzgw

>>717955736
Good lord, that dude put on a lot of weight

>>717953884
They aren't really comparable. Heretic is just Doom but better. Hexen is like if you built a dungeon crawler on the Doom engine.

>>717955636
Real shit? Because I have a bad sense of direction and I don't like that each class only gets a couple weapons.
>>717955736
That's the sickest shit.

>>717956087
Hexen isn't for everyone. Anyone who doesn't enjoy exploring meticulously just for the sake it won't like the game. I just can't stand the "It sucks because I got lost" crowd.

>>717953308 (OP)
so are the new update/restoration/remake whatever worth playing over the originals
I've played doom wads for like 20 years but never played these before lmao

>>717956264
I have other problems with it other than "I got lost".
It gives you classes and they aren't really anything other than different weapon sets, which for a lot of people sets an expectation that the game doesn't deliver on. You can tell because fucking every Hexen wad desperately tries to shoehorn in "RPG Elements" because clearly that's what people thought Hexen was supposed to be.

I find the melee classes to be underwhelming. People fondly remember the Cleric but I feel like it's because the mace is cool in concept, but the Wraithverge is just such a sick weapon that it's insanely memorable.

Hexen is very cool but if I'm gonna sit down and actually play a game it's gonna be Heretic or Doom. Or fuckin like, Daggerfall.

>>717956491
People forcing wildly incorrect expectations isn't the game's fault. Haivng classes doesn't mean it's an RPG and Raven never implied Hexen was anything but an FPS with three different characters to choose from. Doom originally was going to have multiple character choices, RoTT had different characters, nobody looks at them with such expectations.

>they aren't really anything other than different weapon sets
What else are you expecting? Besides each class having an entirely unique arsenal from the others, they also have different max AC, different run speeds, different jump heights, and certain inventory items function differently for each character.

>>717953884
Hexen is a rare game that gives you an actual sense of adventure. It's the only doom engine game that doesn't feel like it's just a reskin. Heretic is a lot of fun too, but I like Hexen more.

>>717955178
Yeah, Hexen's graphics are the best the Doom engine has ever seen. The atmosphere is decent, everything has a "cool" vibe to it. The design of the monsters, weapons, heroes, everything is beautiful and incredible, the best the Doom engine has ever seen.
But the game is torture. It's terrible. Within 10 minutes of adventure, you'll be in those metal corridors hunting switches like an idiot. It's so bad it's painful.

>>717953308 (OP)
what a shit game

Heretic is 10/10
Hexen is 10/10
If you disagree, you're wrong.

>>717953884
>another doom clone or a game that actually tries something new?

Hmm
Hmm

>>717953308 (OP)
This looks worse than dogshit.

>>717961783
But enough about your mom

>>717961783
Turn off the mirror HAHAHA

>>717953308 (OP)
It's honestly pretty incredible how dull the lack of hitscanners make Heretic. You can just spin to win

>>717954529
>HP bloat monsters
I literally never heard this until a popular Youtuber started saying that about Hexen a few weeks ago

>>717957871
Hexen 2 and Heretic 2 was just as wonderful as the first.
Can't wait for Nightdive to do Heretic 2 and Hexen 2 together. Hexen 2 is at least playable on modern machines using a source port, but Heretic 2 is a fucking crapshoot.

>>717953308 (OP)
those alpha textures look so fucking ugly, there was nothing worth salvaging from the raven vault, unlike Doom

>>717962704
weak comeback kiddo