Thread 717974635

>go to shmup fest
>ask them if its roguelite twinsticks or shmups
>"they're good shmups sir"
>look inside
>roguelite twinsticks

Bro's I'm hallucinating after looking at the screen, my vision is autoscrolling. I'm stuck on stage 3 in mushi

>>717974635 (OP)
Steam tags are a crime.

Ok this looks more like a proper shmup thread.
Bomb

>>717974635 (OP)

Gradius III SNES>Gradius III Arcade

Hueg chaining progress, all the way to stage 7 until pic rel, and I was at full extends too.
But final boss gotta final boss so it's not 1cc yet. Still, that was a full run. I'm so fucking close I can feel it.

>>717975160
Lol, when I play danmaku a lot I sometimes see moving small flashing lights when I close my eyes. Not autoscroll though.
Anyway, figure out a route by practicing the stage and paying attention at how things move. I vaguely remember there is some very large enemy in that stage and a lot of moving side to side, not much else.

>>717977869
>a full run.
a fun run*
I fucking wish I could get both 1cc and uninterrupted chain in the same run, that would be one hell of a result.

>>717977869
There's always a wave of small fry that swoop down and pincer me between bullets and them.
I also switch from normal to maniac which I find much more manageable

whats about 3 shmups you'd recommend? i havent played one since i was young

>>717978142
Hellfire, Elemental Master, go play Mars Matrix.

>>717978142
>Mushihime-sama
>Deathsmiles
>Batsugun

>>717978142
>Mushihimesama
>Deathsmiles
>Dodonpachi Daifukkatsu

>>717974635 (OP)
Wow, you're so cool. Please post this tomorrow again as well, I love seeing this daily post.

>>717978142
Have one for each style instead:
>traditional(vertical): Raystorm
Unless you really hate the 3D graphics I guess, then you just play Rayforce.
>traditional(horizontal): Gradius Gaiden
Best in the series by a long shot, but do check the older ones and the salamander/parodius series, especially the latter.
>danmaku(vertical): Dodonpachi DaiOuJou Black Label
It's a classic for a reason. The og, usually nicknamed "white label" was harder if you really want that.
>danmaku(horizontal): Deathsmiles
You will get used to familiars and switching directions after a little while, don't worry too much.
>non-conformist: Twinkle Star Sprites
Better if you have people to play with since it's a competitive one, but singleplayer is still kinda fun. It's a highly tactical game, don't go in expecting to just shoot and dodge well.

>>717974635 (OP)
The SHMUP Fest from 2023? You've been mad about this for 2 years?

>>717974635 (OP)
Shmup? Is that like vampire survivors?

>>717978462
>>717978598
Bought some since there was a good bundle sale on these.

>>717979894
you're gonna have fun with these

>>717974635 (OP)
>genres in 2025

After this shit I need to play a game that doesn't have a final boss at all lol.
Gradius series did that iirc, but Parodius looked more fun.

>>717980351
ENTER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDPRbGzB98o
the intro is also cool as fuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvNFgWjy6Jw

>>717979894
thats the holy trinity of shmups on Steam
start with deatsmiles bcause its easiest, then mushi and then ddp to push your shit in (only play black label tho)

>>717984175
>thats the holy trinity of shmups on Steam
You mean of CAVE shmups on Steam. There are many non-CAVE ones, Gradius Origins just came out on Steam.

>>717984225
cave's library are pretty much the only stgs worth a damn. the entire gradius series is a snorefest, it's a shame m2 wasted their time on it

>>717984446
Play more games

>>717974635 (OP)
is this a vein reference to Mark?

>>717984175
Thanks for the play order. I was kinda wondering but didn't wanna sound retarded.

>>717974635 (OP)
Frankly i blame the obsession over having "content". If they made an actual shump you wpuld have idiots complaining "uhhhh, excuse me this game is not 80 hrs long, are you tryinh to scam people"

>>717984446
After a while you get tired of cave autism fests and want to play a normal video game for a change of pace. The gradius collection is very good for that - especially Salamander 2 and the new Salamander 3.

Play Twinkle Star Sprites.
It's available pretty much everywhere, and PS2 had a sequel too

How come none of you mention any touhou games? Are they secretly bad?

any shmups that have build in side missions that teach you about the game mechanic like in Jamestown?

>>717987510
>secretly
They are pretty openly bad if you ask me. Just watch a video about some arcade shmup that's not too old and a touhou one, tell me which looks more attractive to play.

any shmups that have build in side missions that teach you about the game mechanic like in Jamestown?

>>717987510
games are good and fun but if you mention Touhou the retarded fans will flood the thread (they dont play shmups) and starts spamming

>>717987615
>any shmups that have build in side missions that teach you about the game mechanic like in Jamestown?
Sexy Parodius has that, but it doesn't really teach you anything. What it does instead is decide which stages you will play, and whether you can get the true ending.

>>717987514
>>717987615
Does this count?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX-IIV80b7c

>>717974635 (OP)
touhou niggers killed shmup communities

>>717987840
oh nice, i have Gunvein in my backlog since 2023, time to fire it up i guess

>"This shmup looks so cool!"
>play it hardcore for a week
>impossible to 1CC the 4th stage
>drop it
>"This new shmup looks so cool!"
>repeat

>>717987510
I hate touhou and don't consider them shmups anyway.
I hate how so many artists wasted their fucking time on making porn for this fucking shit back in the days too. It's not like those girls are hot anyway, and nobody played the actual games anyway because if they did then shmups would be a much more popular genre at least in japan, so you just know 2hu's popularity literally had nothing to do at all with the games themselves, truly fuck everything about Touhou.

>>717984225
How is origins? I'm interested but I always approach shmups on steam with trepidation.

>>717989135
Exactly what you expect from a M2STG port.
It's good. Unfortunately it only goes up to Gradius 3, would have been perfect if they put Gaiden in, maybe V too even if they aren't arcade.

>>717985159
I never want to see games made for these retards. There is years of content in a single game if it's challenging enough. Literally only a handful of people have fully beaten some of these games.

>>717988769
A week is too short to 1cc anything unless you are already decently skilled and use targeted practice(i.e. save states or stage select). Or you are Jaimers I guess.

>>717978142
>Classic
Under Defeat
Einhander
Gradius V

>Bullet Hell
Gunvein
Ketsui
Blue Revolver Double Action

>>717987510
Serviceable doujin shmups but not up there with what real devs produced for cabinets. The characters are cute despite zun's art

>>717989093
problem is that a lot of people think shmup = bullet hell.

>>717989504
Do they? I would at least think about stuff like Galaga or even space invaders first.

>>717988769
>a week

it took me 8 fucking years to 2-ALL DDP DOJ

>>717989568
People who think about those games are old enough to have thought of them as "shooters". I doubt they know what galaga is.

>>717989568
>>717989675
By they in that last sentence I mean modern gamers.
I wish there was a way to get zooms to at least try old shit like galaga or 1942. I used to play them all the time as a kid.

Where's uhhhh
Border Down
Can we get a port?

>>717991768
>Can we get a port?
Ok but you get a whole IRL minute of input lag, you can't rebind controls, and you can bet there is no practice mode.

Waiting for the Coom Shit Angel spammers to begin beating people over the head with their vaporware because it has kindergarteners with tits.

Thoughts on R-Type Final 2?

>>717992554
Where can I preorder

>>717984446
Typical shmup “fan.”

>>717978142
Blue revolver double action
Ginga force
Cosmodreamer
Gradius V

>>717992959
As a fan of the series it was nice to play through and see all the references and homages, some stages had neat gimmicks too
The DLCs piled up over time but I loved seeing old stages reimagined, only a few disappointed me (where did the Final 1 ballsack boss go)
However the director pretty much spat on everyone that supported and crowdfunded the game by taking snoy money and re-releasing the game on PS5 right away with an entire exclusive campaign
If you want the full experience, you need to buy it there and of course none of your saves or DLC purchases carry over, complete bullshit and kinda sours my experience of it
Don't pay full price for it on other platforms

>>717993945
Yeah, was shitty what they did with final 3...

>>717984446
Tranny hands wrote this post

>>717984446
Play Gundemonium Recollection, thank me later

>Cave shit
*vomits*

>>717978142
Dariusburst Another Chronicle EX+
Dodonpachi Resurrection
Earthion

CAVE is good. But other shmups are good too, the former only does one style so you might want to see something different

>>717987510
Shmupfags are notoriously salty about Touhou after touhoufags destroyed them at their own competition and made their forums unusable.
They never mention Touhou because it makes their games look terible in comparison.

>>717996908
No, everything outside of Cave is just derivative trash at best.

>>717996908
>the former only does one style so you might want to see something different
Me when I don’t play Yagawa shooters

>>717997126
Have you played Dangun Feveron? Ibara?

>>717997126
CAVE is derivative of Batsugun

>>717997203
Yes, great games. They are brave enough to try something different while maintaining their roots.

>>717997335
Batsugun is cringe though.

>>717997354
Ok but did you actually played them? Do you have any screenshot, clips or replays of those games?

>>717997457
I do

pls help me 4chan in finding old childhood arcade games
>one was about a plane, it had a lot of different maps and was kind of a platformer bullet hell, it wasnt 1943 because it also played horizontally, it had niceish graphics and variety
>the other one was some sort of metal slug like but with more gritty realistic design and had more basic graphics, i remember it having a gun that shot big balls, one that shot a big fat red laser, at some point you could save your family members but not everyone and you get rewarded weapons drops for it, the final boss was a freaky giant skull with guns

>>717974635 (OP)
I'm trying to find an old shmup I played as a kid, probably 30+ years old.
All I remember is that the ship followed along a circle shooting inwards, while enemies flew out from the center.
I'm pretty sure the arcade cabinet used a trackball. Any of you hear of it?

>>717997886
What I mean is that CAVE has always paid tribute to other companies and their games, from Ikeda being amazed by the difficulty of Salamander's loops, how each song title in DaiOuJou gives a nod to different shmup companies, and how they invited Yagawa himself to make several games, the most different ones being those based on Ikeda's vision. don't you think these love letters are for a reason?
The genre is so big and you choose to be stuck with a fraction of what the genre has to offer, the same mentality as 2hufags
Go play Mars Matrix

>>717998753
>pic
CAVE should have made their own TSS clone but danmaku instead of letting Z*n claim that.

>>717998551
That looks like Tempest.

>>717998551
Gyruss which was also on the nes. Or Tempest.

>>717998753
>Go play Mars Matrix
lol no

>>717989348
>>717988769
Uh, try Devil Blade Reboot, I Normal 1cc'd in 53 minutes (2 runs). It's a fair shmup. No "gotcha" moment.

>>717998753
Truth nuke. 2hufags and Cavefags act the same tbdesusenpai.

>>717998026
1. Boogie Wings
2. Midnight Resistance?

>>717978142
Disregard everyone and start from the beginning if you have no experience with shmups. Space Invaders, Galaxian, Xevious, Gradius, then you're free to try later stuff when you can actually appreciate what they're doing

>>717999991
Slander. I got into doing actual shmup runs(as in, instead of just feeding) mainly through CAVE and still very much appreciate older titles, or non-danmaku styles.

>>718000360
>CAVE
*vomits*

>>717974635 (OP)
>try to hold shootemup fest in america
>someone shoots it up

>>718000498
NONPLAYER WATCH OUT!

>>718001124
Why are they called shmup if shooting is automatic and the only thing you need to focus is to dodge? Where is the shooting skill? Game for this feel?

>>718001312
>Why are they called shmup if shooting is automatic and the only thing you need to focus is to dodge?
Have you played the last stages?

>>717999298
>>717999641
Thanks a lot. Looks like it was Gyruss.

>>718001408
Why can't you aim or rotate the ship? That design seems archaic.

>>718001783
Zero Gunner 2

>>718002017
Yes, that's a happy game

>>718002017
Looks interesting, but what's with the Mixed Steam reviews?

>>718001124
If Ketsui got released today they’d call it the Dark Souls of shooters

>>718002665
There's only one way to find out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLb4NQ-7rb8

>>718002453
It's a horrible port. The only way to play it properly is from a Dreamcast

>SHMUP Fest
Yuck. Here's some actual shmups you can play RIGHT NOW

PACK POST!
Original(kept for legacy reasons): archive.org/details/shmupg-pack
Leinyan certified version(Enhanced, recommended): archive.org/details/mature-dot-dodging-games-gaiden-v-1.0.7z
A mame fork with more accuracy for CV1000(https://wiki.arcadeotaku.com/w/CAVE_CV1000) games: https://github.com/CoffeePope/mame-sh34

>2hu where?
nyaa.si/view/1743411
And more doujin shmups at vector.co.jp/vpack/filearea/winnt/game/shoot
https://freegame-mugen.jp/shooting/
https://www.freem.ne.jp/win/category/2

>B-But piracy is illegal!
Faggot shmups.wiki/library/Free_to_Play

Temporarily pasted anon's suggestions from some threads ago here:
pastebin.com/ZzHxJ38H

>>718001783
Under Defeat. Controller only but the Steam port is excellent

im very close to ikaruga normal clear, beat easy mode on saturday. getting better at chaining and got 14m in normal before dying to stone-like. this game really is as good as people said.

Threadly reminder autistic bullethells will never be real shmups

>>718005517
Yes, that's an underappreciated gem.

>>718006232
You will never be a shmupchad capable of enjoying all kinds of bullet density, hitbox sizes, obstacles and screen orientations. As long it feels good to shoot and dodge, why would it even matter?
Bet you haven't played shit in the last decade.

Hey guys

>>718000151
1. nope, the best that i can also remember is that you were always playing as a plane, a jet fighter and it was kind of "realistic", the most memorable scene was one were you go into kind of an underground factory and you have to avoid terrain to not crash, it was also somewhat new-ish so it could be from the late 90s
2. hell yes, that was the one, thank you anon

>>718008435
Is it 3D or 2D?

>>718008707
2d

>>718008846
I meant the artstyle, of course
Were they hand-drawn, pre-rendered or fully 3D

What's the oldest shmup you can have a good time with? For me it's Slap Fight.

>>718009320
To play very occasionally out of absolute boredom? Actually can go as far back as Space invaders and galaga.
Actually think that it still holds up well? Gradius 2, I suppose. Not the first because honestly I'm not so hyped to see Big Core in every single stage, also it's kinda easy.

>>717978142
zeroranger
mushihimesama
radiant silvergun

>>718009007
not really sure, best i could describe is that it looked like an area 88/un squadron sequel with no npcs and slightly darker atmosphere (in general color tone)

>>718010126
I'll do a lightning round
Blazing Star?
Carrier Air Wing?
P-47 Aces?
Fantasy Zone?

>>718007329
Becuase bullethells aren't about shooting and dodging, they are glorified miniscule maze memorization games

>>718010680
OK, try playing a bullet hell without shooting at all and see where that gets you

>>718010539
>Carrier Air Wing?
yesssssssssss, also found it while scouring wikipedia list on my other tabs, thanks anon

>>718010539
>P-47 Aces?
Bumping game mentioned.
https://streamable.com/5ldgkn
No, I have no interest in running this. Don't expect me to ever talk about 1cc'ing it or whatever.

>>718010756
Some madman actually did it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oxGZUfeo0c
It's not very playable as you can expect, indeed it's TAS

>>718010756
There is no mindful shooting in bullethells

>>718011101
>there's no mindful shooting in bullet hells
Dodonpachi.

>>718011101
>There is no mindful shooting in bullethells
Ketsui

>>718010680
please kill yourself memorization schizo

>>718011101
Deathsmiles
Or basically, just play CAVE.

Speaking of hilarious shmup playthroughs, there were some with an AI(supposedly based on the one in touhou 9?) manages to get some 1ccs. The gameplay is fucking funny.

>>718012414
Post some examples?

>>718011578
>play CAVE.
Ewww! I would rather not.

>>718015429
Don't have a link unfortunately. They get streamed on Twitch

Ran fucking dies
https://streamable.com/aurcnm

>>718013762
Minuscule hurtboxes destroyed good shmup design.

>>718015691
Ketsui does have 1x1 bullet hitboxes no matter how the sprites look like.

>Cave shit
*vomits*

You gonna cry about CAVE for the entire thread, bitch?

>this is considered good design according to bullethelltards
Oof...

Play a real shmup, not that bullet hell TRASH

>>718016129
CAVE games are too hard for him, please understand

>>718016581
Post the rom, bitch

gradiass sucks ass haha

>>718016713
It's floating around, you can find it.

>>718018425
Post. The. Rom

>>718016585
All shmups are hard. Cave games are just badly designed and unfun unless you have no taste.

>>718018695
>cave games where you can beat every challenge on raw skill and reaction alone? unfair
>memoshit like raiden II? uhh dude what are you complaining about
fag

>>718018495
Spoonfeeding like what you're begging for is what gets shit taken down in the end because bootlicking retards see it as well and then try to ruin it for everyone. The ROM can be extracted from the Steam game since that's actually just using an emulator to run the game itself. If you actually care about this enough to not want to just play the Steam version directly then just spend the minimal amount of effort to look up either how to extract it yourself or to find the already extracted ROM.

>>718019440
>>cave games where you can beat every challenge on raw skill and reaction alone? unfair
Now let's not exaggerate.
Although it's true that older shmups tend to do more cheap shit with very fast sniper bullets or the infamous psikyo spreads.

>>718019440
>cave games where you can beat every challenge on raw skill and reaction alone

>>718018495
archive.org/details/earthion-world-en-aftermarket

>>718018695
>Cave games are just badly designed and unfun
Point out your complains, anon

>>718020406
Something something memo that's totally worse than getting slapped with a single small bullet in the face and something something small hitboxes that because uuuuuh ...

>>718019486
Faggot
>>718020310
Based

>>717978142
Hellsinker
Radiant Silvergun
RefleX

>>717974635 (OP)
>shmups
opinion discarded, kike

Also if you're a 100% Orange Juice fag you should totally buy all their games (not just because they are fun shmups but because you get characters in 100% OJ).

>>717987946
>touhou niggers killed shmup communities
I respect them simply because of how insanely cancerous they are. I've legit never seen anything like them.

>>717989135
Fine arcade ports with some cool historical extras and variants, no home ports, great Salamander 3. If you're a stickler for cohesive collections, no home ports can be a deal breaker for some, but for someone that prioritizes arcade accurate ports, you're golden. Just lacks things like Gaiden, Parodius, and 4/5, plus no SNES 3.
At that point the question more becomes, "Do you prefer continue-where-you-die shmups or are willing to tackle the checkpoint system?" And even then the collection has a bunch of extra settings to help you adjust and master the games, like save states, rewinds, a training mode to tackle specific level sections at your discretion with your own power ups and loop points designated for the practice, etc.

>>717987946
good, fuck retarded niggers who use the jewish term "shm*p", kill yourself faggot

>>718021902
>"Do you prefer continue-where-you-die shmups or are willing to tackle the checkpoint system?"
In the case of Gradius the issue is more about starting with no powerups right in the middle of the stage that was designed only to be played with powerups. Recovery shouldn't be more difficult than beating the game on no miss.

>>718022168
I still can't believe people defend it.
When I 1cc'd Gradius forever ago, dying at the last stage was just
>Yeah restart
because there's no fucking way you're doing it naked. Like even the Speed Ups are so crucial. I understand it's an arcade game from the mid-80's but it's still just incredibly bad design.

>>717987510
bosses in touhou are fine but stages are boring dogshit and I don't like to play games where I'm bored half of the time

>>718022635
Gradius is one of those oldbie staple cases where it's known for being brutally unforgiving in a completely different way than the rest of the genre came to be, not demanding as much in terms of moment to moment gameplay but instead on extremely harsh punishment for fucking up at all. Considering this is the same company that thought Haunted Castle was a good idea, it's not that surprising, but Gradius was at least competently made enough to persist for a while despite this.
Probably why some fans really prefer the Salamander games ditching the checkpoints and traditional power-up systems though.

Threadly reminder that making the base game easy but then demanding 1CC or NMNB to get real endings is why everyone else calls SHMUPs gay. Just make actually reaching the end actually hard no matter what, and don't rely on all that homo bullshit

>>718023731
why

>>718023731
What's the problem with having an easier base game but making it hard by having the clear condition involve a low amount of mistakes? Anything is harder if you're not allowed to mess up as much
Or are you saying you want a super hard kaizo maso-core shmup like troonshit such as Celeste?

>>718023731
Have fun playing arcade Gradius III or Mushi on Ultra then

>>717988769
why do you need to 1CC? cant you just aim for a 5CC? or 2CC? why is either perfection or giving up?

>>718026198
because if you were playing these games in the arcade as a kid you wouldn't have 5 credits

>>718026610
i would have way more than 5 credits tho

>>717997085
Unironically how do you even survive the shit at 0:25? Even assuming these bullets have 1px hitboxes each this garbage is just pure luck, there's no actual skill involved.

>>718027120
CAVE's TLBs are resource checks, whether that's a good design or not depends on how you look at it

>r-type delta hd boosted
>it actually increases the screen size without stretching
well, this looks interesting

>>717997085
I don't see how you can reliably get through this shit when there are 0 gaps you can actually see. Touhou doesn't do that except the big bullets with small centers

Cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNDps-Fi6dw

>>718028427
Legit one of the best games of all time. Not just shooters, but just in general.

Please don't fuck this up.

>>718028427
>chris huelsbeck arranging the soundtrack
wow thats sick, wonder if he'll throw in any of the c64/amiga music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlvd0nJJPI8

>>717974635 (OP)
a proper shmup is probably the closest thing video games have to being art

Bombs?

How are you guys feeling about Earthion? I can't see the bullets, I feel old and gay

>>718033237
It's pretty good!
Hard is kicking my ass, I now have something to keep me busy for a week.

>>718033237
It's just kind of a bit too much, honestly. Tons of damaging foreground, bullets and enemies flying everywhere, sequences meant to squeeze you in, and that brief pursuit monster just makes you eat a hit or two if you took the wrong path to avoid it. They use the player's regenerating shields like a crutch to such an absurd degree that I can't imagine playing the game without getting the adaptation modules to hit shield upgrades. It's a technical masterpiece for what it's managing as a Mega Drive game on full tilt plus an expanded rom and all, and I think that stupid Exa-arcade exclusive mode might be an interesting concept, but the base game is kind of way too much style over substance.

How do you feel about Zakichi's shmups?

>>718033237
It's alright. Some of the enemy/ boss designs are pretty cool, the first time I got to the chase I thought it was pretty fun. I'm not a huge fan of the shield system and how many hits Im tanking all the time. Yuzo Koshiro is pretty cool he should make a new etrian odyssey next. please.

Bouncing between mushi and ddp dfk. I don't like where the hitbox is in relation to the sprite and your shots is in dfk. In mushi it feels intuitive and dodging comes naturally, but in dfk you've got this glowing box in front of your shop so the hitbox is way in the back of the visual profile of your character and it always trips me up.

Next time make OP with Mark on it, retards