Thread 717975623

Why the FUCK is this series dead?
Just beat pic related and thought for sure there was more to this, but nope, apparently this is the last game they ever made in the series.
That last boss fucking kicked my ass, when he summoned exact copies of himself and rained down meteors it tore my asshole apart. The last phase was actually easier.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPDaP79BhcI

The pro strat is to have Denam with the stinky set on and one single dragon with the damage reflect skill on and let him eat 4 auto skill cards and let the boss kill itself. You should do this if you’re going for the no kills title too.

>>717975623 (OP)
>himself
I meant my team. Fuck. Thread's ogre.

>>717975798
>stinky set
Like just garbage armor?
Also yeah, Dragon Scales 3 (or 4, was max rank?) was a real son of a bitch. Kinda made me want to train a hydra.

>>717975623 (OP)
maybe play the preceding games then?

>>717975916
I will, but I kinda got filtered by the Ogre Battles combat. An RTS with a controller feels like bizarro world. But I'll try it again. Got any tips for it, you know, beyond attaining skill?

>>717975971
Lucky for you, the first game in universe chronology plays the same as the one you already played

The third-last fight against the two dark knights was way harder than anything the final boss threw at me. Two fast bastards who can hit for 1k each that dodge everything, never miss and come fully carded-up? Fuck.

>>717975908
No, the stinky set is a special armor set you find in the POTD. It makes enemies and bosses target everyone else but whoever has it on, unless they’re the last one alive in your party. That’s why that strategy works, the dragon takes all the aggro and as long as they ate 4 auto skill cards, the scales will proc every turn. Works great for the final boss and any battle you just want to breeze through.

>>717976109
Oh, fuck, didn't know about that one. I'll check it out. Thanks Anon!

>>717976137
Neat, never found that set or thought of that strat. But the Dragon Scales passive seemed ripe for abuse somehow. Still, won't your dragon just die after a while? The scales mirror damage, sure, but the dragon still takes that damage too.

>>717976184
Yeah, the dragon should have 4 full potions in their inventory and Denam should have the lobber skill to throw more potions at them if necessary. I’ve never had to use all of that but the dragon does need to survive long enough to grab the cards and survive the attacks.

>>717976314
That makes sense. I'll try that strat on my next run solely to see if I can pull it off.
I did actually do a bit of a meme-run with the against the boss after I beat the game the first time and tried Lord Denam only. It was a total RNG-shitshow. I stacked the passive cards, like you recommended for the dragon, and I spent most of my turns waiting for that deflection proc from Sword Master, Berserk, First Aid and one last skill I now forget.

Totally works though.

>>717975623 (OP)
Because Square Enix is the most retarded company on this planet and would rather shit out the doomed-to-flop Adventures of Elliot instead of anything fans actually want.

>>717977120
>doomed-to-flop Adventures of Elliot
It's gonna be another million seller.

>>717977208
My man they didn't even bother pu pulishing the trailer on their official Youtube account. They know it's a flop.

>>717975798
You did not beat it.

>>717975623 (OP)
>Why the FUCK is this series dead?
Because Matsuno (and many other nip devs) were wanking over Star Wars at the time so he numbered Ogre games in meaningless numeric order (like Episode VII or something) when he never had plans to make more than a few
Because Quest was bought by Squaresoft in 2003 (Knight of Lodis being their last game in 2002) and devs started making other games
Because Matsuno sperged out and quit S-E in the middle of FFXII's development (only to never develop anything worth of mention beyond maybe Crimson Shroud until he crawled back to S-E and started making FFT and TO related projects, and even then it was only because Minagawa - another ex-Quest dev - was there to arrange stuff like development of both TO remasters), so there was no higher-up to let ex-Quest devs work on Ogre series again
Because even FFT is dead (FFTA2 came out in 2007 and that was the last new Tactics game) and Ogre series was even less popular

>>717977373
it's gonna be another million seller

>>717977739
I don't remember her wearing this outfit

>>717977782
you have to be an M to unlock this route

Use generics.

>>717975623 (OP)
Did you beat potd and coda, too?
>Why is the series/genre dead
SE focused on milking ff online, ff7 and actionized games like ff16 and stranger of paradise.
>last boss
Idk, just the throwed grenades at him.

>>717975623 (OP)
but unicorn overlord only just came out last year

>>717975798
>no kills title too
What's this?

>>717977739
Ravness...

>>717977814
Always and always

>>717977959
For me, it's agrias.

>>717975623 (OP)
Are there mods for reborn or other versions? New classes, quests aso?

>>717975623 (OP)
Legit 10/10 game. God-tier soundtrack also.
Square is fucking retarded.
That is all.

Sex with Deneb, Ravness, all 4 shaman sisters, 2 generic witches and a female shopkeeper all at the same time

>>717978536
Reborn or psp?

>>717978492
True
True
True

>>717978492
AFAIK there's a new srpg like fft and to in development.

>>717978740
I think the rumor came from Matsuno saying there's 2 things he's worked on that will be 'announced soon'. One is most likely the FFT remaster, but it's still open as to what the other one is. Could just be some dialog in some XIV update, or could be a full new game.

>>717975623 (OP)
square is retarded, if they combined the best parts of Reborn and LUCT they would have made the best version of Tactics Ogre

>>717978740
Let's wait and see before we celebrate Anon...

>>717976109
best tactic ogre

The Hanging Gardens was a chore. Their, I said it.

>>717975623 (OP)
it is inferior to the gba one

>>717977801
>ai slop
I sleep

>>717979297
Is it? The GBA one must be a masterpiece.

>>717977913
There is an assload of conditional titles to collect in the game. I think you dont get anything from them but they are a nice ultimate challenges.
I 100% this game last year - excluding titles.
Great game. Great fun.
>>717975623 (OP)
If you havent played it, play FF:T next. Its turbo matsuno kino. Or wait for the remake maybe. Dont know how good that will be.
The maximum matsuno kino is FFXII though. Going in blind and discovering it on your own is one of the greatest things in vidya.
Every dude who played FFXII and didnt love it, is a filtered retard.
Is it that easy.

Should I play Reborn or just boot up psp version?

>>717979410
personally I think psp version is the worst of all and I even bought og game and psp just for it
you can mod it but its still not great
honestly every version have its minuses

>>717979410
They're both good. In different ways. No wrong answer.

>>717977461
I actually tried Crimson Shroud as one of my last 3DS games ever.
Meh.

>>717978454
For me, it's Ozma

>>717975623 (OP)
The GBA game is a completely new entry and better than TO1.

>>717976109
I was so fucking pissed when I found out that this reborn game didn't bundle Knight of Lodis in too. Probably my favorite game on the GBA and the best Ogre game

>>717980279
better system too
both psp and reborn is too bloated, psp is extra bloated, they trow too much fft into that(plus extra grind)

>>717980279
Knights of Lodis isn't even canon strictly speaking
it's considered a side story and it didn't have any of the key members from the earlier games involved like Ogre Battle 64

Lovely art but the game is boring as fuck

>>717975623 (OP)
I ragequit after learning the hard way about perma death. I should probably return but I'm just so bad at it and don't want to build my party back up.

>>717979932
Yeah, that's why I said "maybe", because at least it's not
>2006
>Final Fantasy XII - writer, original concept, original director
>2009
>MadWorld - writer
>2010
>Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together - game design, scenario
>2012
>Crimson Shroud - game design, scenario
>2014
>Terra Battle - "The Death of Shay and Arionne" scenario
>2017
>Lost Order - director (unreleased)
>Final Fantasy XIV: Stormblood - "Return to Ivalice" scenario
Last real game in 2006, passable story for P* game in 2009, TO re-release #4 (after Minagawa made the arrangements) in 2010, scenario for mobile crap in 2014, unreleased mobile crap and scenario for FFXIV (after Yoshi P personally asked him) in 2017. Oh, and there was another unreleased mobile crap on Kickstarter (Unsung Story) either in 2014 or 2015.
Crimson Shroud isn't great but it's his only new OC work from 2006 to 2017 that's worth any mention.

Vagrant Story you absolute nigger, fantastic script, absolute kino camera work, the story scenes are so well directed.

>>717978490
I didn't see much of interest, but there's supposedly a fantastic overhaul mod for LUCT.

>>717978490
i dont think its mod friendly, and modders swear on psp version like some cultists so...

>>717978490
>>717981880
yeah, "One Vision". released in 2017, last update this april. insane autism there.

>>717975623 (OP)
>Why the FUCK is this series dead?
My guess is that it's unpleasant to work with Matsuno and nobody wants to work with him on a new project unless it is a port or remaster. Check his track record.

>>717978483
Isn't it obvious?

>>717979032
After 30 years, even se might get the message. Looking at elliot, it's ridiculous how bad their indie department is. From what I learned, getting into se is extremely difficult, near impossible without help. One would expect that such a preselection of 'talent' leads to the best games imaginable. I'm confident that we will get a tactics game closer to fft or to, than to triangle strategy. No generics, no buy.

>>717977739
>>717977801
How come my Ravness doesn't look like this?

>>717979387
Beating the game killing no one? Are there other ways to get this? Seems like dragons are the only way to get this.
>great gamthere aren't games like fft or to. Shame, seem simple enough to implement.
Are there mods for to or tor? There are plenty of good ones for fft.
>>717979410
Both are decent, sure. Reborn looks better. One of the few remaster that look better than the original.

>>717983194
sounds about right

>>717978490
The mods that exist for the PSP are mostly messing around with data and formulas for better rebalance. One vision just takes it to the extreme and rebalances the whole game. For more vanilla tweaks you could make your own custom cheats.

>>717982143
>>717981880
>>717982124
Psp has its a cult alright.
>>717982143
Just checked it. They did improve itemization, skills and classes, it seems. Story changes? Potd access? Are there stat charms, too? Looks like I might play that next.

>>717979410
Reborn is more streamlined if you want to just play through the game. I personally hate it though.

>>717983780
they didn't cut enough psp bloat, and worst they fucked up formulas and never fixed them, game is just abadoned at this point

>>717983710
I mean, I could, but one vision seems alright. They upped magic vfx, too. Did you mod your game?
>own mods
How could I access source? I like the look of reborn. If it's not too much work, maybe I could make a small custom campaign?

>>717978490
There's like five different modders making their own version of a Reborn overhaul, they're all a work in progress.
https://www.nexusmods.com/tacticsogrereborn/mods/15
https://www.nexusmods.com/tacticsogrereborn/mods/12
https://www.nexusmods.com/tacticsogrereborn/mods/11
https://www.nexusmods.com/tacticsogrereborn/mods/8
https://www.nexusmods.com/tacticsogrereborn/mods/5
https://www.nexusmods.com/tacticsogrereborn/mods/6

>>717983458
skill issue

>>717983931
I used this one myself, though it seems I forgot I was playing the game. Better finish it before FFT comes out.
https://www.nexusmods.com/tacticsogrereborn/mods/6

>>717983861
One Vision is ok. It changes more than I would like personally but it's well thought out at the very least.
What did you mean they upped magic vfx?
There is no source just spreadsheets and data tables. If you are really skilled you can implement asm hack routines to change things but I haven't seen anyone do something as ambitious as a new custom event/map etc.
You can start with something like this for simple stuff:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1h84Yx96qkg5Wq8hcsqQ-k01yx7_XIvRb
It doesn't cover things like Batttle Data which you'd have to hex edit the relevant .bin file to make changes to (like editing enemy spawns and drops).

>>717980730
Terra Battle 1 was very good.

>>717984096
I played through it a couple times with that one then later another mod, TORTOISE looks cool but it's years away from reaching a state where I'd want to start another 200 hour playthrough. I wish some of these modders formed a team and worked on a single project since they're all trying to accomplish the same thing with varying numbers.

>>717984096
That barely qualifies as a mod. Rogue isn't a good class either.
>>717983931
If people would combine their effort, we could get a new game in no time.

>>717984532
>200 hour playthrough
This man doesn't use Cheat Engine's speedhack. I highly recommend it.

>>717984603
I have done about one and a half runs with 5x speedhack on, it is the best thing ever for this game. I was just going by the save file's estimation instead of actual playtime because somebody's probably going to call bullshit if I said a full playthrough with postgame was 40-50 hours long

>>717975623 (OP)
people realized they weren't as complex as they present themselves

>>717975623 (OP)
Because inspiration for games like this doesn't come easy.

>>717984124
>What did you mean they upped magic vfx?
One vision has decent graphical effects for spells. I assumed the mod creators improved the look of spells

>>717985157
>>717985105
Doesn't it look wonky? I acknowledge the need for speed here.

>>717987113
Raics helped with this in general. Spell vfx are still low res but icons and things like summons depictions are improved.
https://forums.ppsspp.org/showthread.php?tid=26100

>>717987178
No, when you play with speedhack on for long enough eventually the game without it will look bad.

>>717987302
Interesting.
>>717987264
Won't load on the phone, will check later. What's the forum entry about?

>>717988172
HD UI for the PSP
https://imgsli.com/MjAxNjI1

>>717975623 (OP)
because you didn't buy reborn

>>717990924
Oh come on it sold 200k on PC alone. That's gotta be something for a fucking multi-decade old remake.

>>717990924
>people buy WotL release on PSP
>it sells well
>nothing happens out of it
>people buy LUCT release on PSP
>it still sells well (even if majority of people pirated everything on PSP by then)
>nothing came out of it
>people buy Reborn release (after 10+ years of nothing since LUCT)
>it sells okay per platform (but overall probably good considering the amount of platforms)
>nothing comes out of it
Using Capcom's methods, are we?

>>717991365
Thanks for reminding me that I hate Capcom.

>>717980709
Perma-death is always reason for a visit to the Chariot, Anon. Especially in the last segment where nothing is walled in and you can casually be pushed off edges by crits and shields. Fuck that.

>BROTHER PLEASE BEND ME OVER AND BREED ME IN FRONT OF THE WHOLE KINGDOM OR I'LL RUN OFF WITH THE BLACK KNIGHTS INSTEAD
What did our sister mean by this? A woman moment?

>>717991774
She 100% wanted her brother's dick

>>717975623 (OP)
>Why the FUCK is this series dead?
because Yasumi Matsuno left for Square Soft, created the Ivalice universe and is now costing in life.

>>717992059
>end of the game
>oh boy, a queen needs a king, huh, brother?
>of course, sister, i'm sure you will find one
Can't blame her for having the woman moment.

>>717975623 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fEOvZq2HpM
I am MAD they fucked this up in Reborn. New version SUCKS ASS.

>>717992372
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvqoyNr37RM
Whoops, i forgot 2nd link.

>>717992465
Jesus christ. I'll also never forgive them for Impregnable Defence.

What's the best version of this game to play?

>>717991774
The actual woman moment is
>you have exactly the same options for her questions no matter what you did in the story
>the outcome of whether or not she survives varies on correctly answered questions
>the answers that count as correct change depending on whether you fought her or not

>>717992925
>best version
>SNES
>Saturn
>PS1
>PSP
>PS4 / PS5 / Switch / PC
There is no definitive best version

>>717993247
Why not? Though I suppose its usually pretty safe to go for the original.

>>717983467
>Reborn looks better. One of the few remaster that look better than the original.
LOOOOOL

>>717993345
They all suck in different ways. My choice is PSP with HD UI + cheats to reduce the idiotic grind, like 100% crafting chance (you can already savescum it).

>>717993345
Because devs keep changing shit and adding/removing stuff with each following release

>>717988275
Good to know!
>>717990992
I think is decent. It's really off putting for non fans, so 200k is a lot for a console game.
>>717991365
Suits are idiots.

>>717991587
I rememver that you had 3 lives per unit, this was just scrapped. Units are now gone forever. Lame.
>>717980094
She's hot. Has the best portrait of any women in vidya.

>>717993623
>>717993550
What's wrong with the original?

>>717992372
Better than the fft remaster, truly.

is the snes version worth playing? I want to play this on my 3DS

>>717994998
I can't really get over Ozma and Oz's weird relationship and Ozma condoning his psychopathic antics. She's a bit of a psychopath herself as well.