Thread 717976246

>>717976246 (OP)
Kys xenotranny

>>717976246 (OP)
Tales of was always shit

>>717976246 (OP)
>By being the first good game in the series
sad

Is Odyssia even real?

>>717976246 (OP)
arise was easily a top 5 tales game. The series survived plenty of way worse games before it.

In the end the biggest thing that killed Tales was bamco.

>>717976729
Good sales =/= Good games

>>717976246 (OP)
The enemies felt very spongy in this game.

>>717976246 (OP)
I've never heard anything but praise for this game, why is it bad?

>boring plot
>completely one-dimensional characters
>horrible dialogue
>generic orchestral background noise soundtrack
>hallway level design
>roll slop combat
>5 damage sponge enemies copy/pasted in every zone
>buy DLC buy DLC buy DLC buy DLC buy DLC
Could they have crafted a worse game if they tried?

I thought it was passable until the timeskip and then it took such a hard nosedive that I didn't even finish it. Saw the last dungeon was full of the unstunnable large enemies and peaced out

Berseria 2 when?

>>717976246 (OP)
>Another episode of "If we kill them we will be just like them"
Good, let it die.

>>717976754
Yet everytime they don't sell you shift arguments saying it flopped for being a bad game duh

Rinwell
14 years old

>>717976820
It skipped the Switch plus FEtrannies not allowing other jrpgs to be discussed here

>>717977260
Prove the source i said that. Go

I don't get why people consider this such a "good game in the series" when it kinda not only undermines the advancements Xillia or even Berseria brought to the table, and ends up with a plot about discrimination bad that ends up downright farcical in how it goes about it, but ultimately was just incredibly boring. You get better executions of its ideas in shit like Eternia and that game wasn't even strictly about the discrimination.

Besides presentation, which itself is also a huge mixed bag and reeks more than ever of "Bandai Namco anime game budget limits" because of the sheer clash of higher fidelity with so many corners cut, it genuinely feels like a downgrade in virtually every single way to what the series has offered before.

i can't believe the "started as a not-tales" game posters were vindicated in the end
actually i can it was always pretty obvious

>>717978107
>series is so dead that the latest game was just some other project converted into it
>takes forever to release a follow up DLC
>gap between entries is widening again
Lmfao

>>717978271
That's just nips taking years to make new games. Look at Atlus, 10 years for P6
You are not gonna get jrpgs every 2 years anymore unless you want Atelier and not even that

>>717976246 (OP)
>>717976352
Both suck Rean's cock btwaybeit

>>717978327
Kys xenotranny trying to lelouch again

>>717976384
>By being the first good game in the series
Huh??? it has a horrible fucking story, lame ass characters too and bland world overall.
The only thing i liked is the battle system, everything else is mega forgettable

>>717976246 (OP)
All the blame goes to Zestiria.
Berseria and Arise tried their best to get it back on the ground but Zesty was so bad that it killed the whole franchise.

>>717978453
>Zestiria
Wrong Tales is still alive and well back in 2014

>>717978327
>My feces series is better than YOUR feces series : the post
lol
LMAO even

>>717978313
>Atelier
Or general falcom releases, but I get what you mean, though even fatlus still has other departments/teams making other RPGs (but they still take forever to release considering the fuck huge gaps for smtv or metaphor's announcement as re:fantasy)

>>717976384
For the first two parts of the game, fine, but it goes downhill very quickly afterwards. The last level is a slog, and you can’t wait for it to be over.

>>717978560
So like every Tales game? Symphonia, Abyss, and Vesperia did that shit as well.

>>717978271
after seeing the main characters for the code vein 2 trailer that came out recently I'm like 95% sure arise was originally supposed to be code vein 2

>>717976246 (OP)
Bandai Namco being Bandai Namco killed the series for good
Arise did well financially, so guess what they decided to do next? Take all the profits from it and pump it towards development of a gacha. Tales of Luminaria was officially the next Tales title after Arise, look it up if you don't know about it already.

>>717978601
It’s much more gradual in Symphonia and Vesperia (haven’t played Abyss). It’s a kind of slow, creeping boredom that sets in. In Arise, you suddenly go from “full action, plot twists, and an increasingly complex combat system” to “rehash of mobs, the story isn’t moving forward, and no new gameplay features at all.”

Enjoyed it more than Remake. Much nicer visual style and character design, and enemies with a purpose rather than being aimless meatbags, and with an actual ending. Overall 7/10. Despite their best efforts the series is still in that weird state where it has all the potential in the world but they just can't lock in. At least they seem motivated instead of just coasting on nostalgia.
I ended up playing this and XVI back-to-back and they were really solid. Again, lots of potential from both teams. I look forward to their next respective attempts.

>>717978495
>History revisionism

Zestiria killed it, all the games after is just the last gasp before death.

>>717978983
isn't Arise the best-selling game in the series? Maybe second if you include Symphonia Remastered. Zesty was also a record-breaker. Interest in the franchise has only gone up as they've phased out of saturating the market with mobile/spin-offs/sequels and focused on wider release gaps.
Kind of ironic considering Xillia 2 is the best game in the franchise, but fuck it, that really should've been its own game.

Hoo!

>>717978754
>Luminaria
Actually never heard of this until now, what the fuck

>>717976246 (OP)
Has the game sold poorly and/or it's considered bad?
I played it blind without engaging with any of the fandom and I enjoyed it. Combat was good enough and story was melodramatic anime cliche nonsense, but I'm used to it and enjoyed the earnestness of it. Shionne is cute and Kisara radiates big sis energy.

>>717978754
That was developed at the same time as Arise, not after it.

>>717979302
The thing is Arise is yet another case of "consumers eat thing up because appealing and externally popular, and then no one actually ends up seeming to care about it in the long term because the product is incredibly vapid and empty". Same shit happened to Monster Hunter Wilds once you get past the PC performance controversy. Keep in mind that for such a "popular game", absolutely no one seemed to care for or give the DLC that came out two fuckin years later any time of day because it was mostly just an awkward extended epilogue retreading areas and fights anyway; most that cared for the game got their fill already and didn't even know it came out.

>>717979669
It sold really well, that's mostly the reason why it gets so much hate here because it's pretty different from previous games and people like this one more.

>>717979828
Jesus Christ you are never are happy
>This game flopped!
>Actually this game was ruined by normies!

Dog ears on Alphen
Cat ears on Shion
sunglasses on Law
Swirly Glasses on Dohalim
This is canon.

>>717979913
That post said neither of those things.

>>717979669
It wasn't on switch so you have the usual Nintendo cultist doomposting every thread.
>>717979913
It's what happened with y0, you get the usual jadded old fan larper seething about the success, or like haters with sh2, contrarians kill any discussion

>>717976246 (OP)
I always said this game was shit, hated it day one for being basically an anti-tales while people here we're sucking its cock

>>717979994
>Jrpg cycle
>Before it was xillia then Zestiria then berseria

>>717976246 (OP)
the game and especially the combat system is pretty fucking awesome

>>717979828
I actually knew it came out but
>mostly just an awkward extended epilogue retreading areas and fights anyway
and also it was really expensive compared to base game for the amount of content it had.
Either way developer is not entitled to sales on their shitty DLC for a game they remembered long time after everyone moved on. Make something worth buying.

>>717976246 (OP)
This game is the AC of JRPGs. Nothing about it is egregiously bad but I still wish I could get a refund on the hours I spent playing it.

>>717979828
I didn't buy it because it's expensive, was made as an afterthought, and the kid isn't Shionne and Alphen's.

>>717980623
Nips are retarded puritans, meanwhile destiny 2 had the destiny 1 characters having a kid

>>717980676
I don't care what the nips think or say, you can't tell me that Alphen and Sionne didn't spend a year in that shack banging all day after the marriage.

>>717980676
Meanwhile Rex fucked his harem and had mutliple kids and Bayonetta made yurifags kill themselves by having a daughter as well.
I think they didn't want to set the dlc too far apart from the main game so if they had a kid they'd be too young.

>>717979669
It's THE best selling Tales game ever.

>>717976246 (OP)
It was the phone game flopping + other big projects at Bamco flopping and forcing them to cancel lots of projects internally and restructure that killed the series. I know all Naruto games have been cancelled and the IP is frozen until further notice despite Bamco usually regularly pumping out shit for it, Tekken is effected by internal issues to some extent too, wouldn't be surprised if Tales games are being paused outside of remasters for now too.
I don't care for Arise but it apparently did well

>>717976246 (OP)

It died the moment the main artist(Fujishima) got caught for CP.

>>717976246 (OP)
I bought it having played Symphonia before and if a new game cones out I'll get it

>>717982018

Also the Zesteria incident with the heroine swap.

>>717982018
>Source : I made it up

>>717976246 (OP)
Damn, Arise did one thing right

>>717976820
the plot is beyond retarded even for a Tales game, they chose to gave it heavy themes to make it i guess "edgy" but forgot their writers can only do stock shounen stuff about how it's bad to do revenge on people who just committed mass murder right in front of you
every enemy has many times as much HP as it needs. i've never done this before but i had to turn the game down to very easy just to make it tolerable about halfway through and the enemies still had too much HP by far. also bosses don't react to hits at all so every boss fight just turns into an exchange of hits that goes on forever because, again, too much HP. note that the battle system doesn't have much depth so there's really no justification
it's just a miserable slog of a game. i think if the game was fun the story would at least be entertainingly stupid but it's not worth it
>>717977260
you can't point to other gay children and go "I'm just like them though!" like it's a big own

>>717979302
It's just usual "fastest selling" misinformation
>First game in the series launching simultaneously on multiple platforms worldwide had the biggest launch!
Wow, such an achievement!
Please ignore that afterwards it barely managed to crawl to Berseria's numbers while costing 10x more to make

lmao I remember the salesfaggots saying it was an unstoppable truck and Tales will now be bigger than ever. Only to be forgotten.
Man, the last third of the game truly was retarded. I'm used to gay jrpgs, or mostly jap shit anyway, going full retarded in their last dozen of hours, but this one takes the cake.

>>717982895
talking of the last third of the game i can't be the only person who finds the name "hevrekt 35", and the fact they just casually start calling him that as his name, just the funniest shit

I had more fun with Zesteria than Arise

She will save Tales

I would have bought it on a sale if I didn't have to pay extra for in-game music.

>>717983578
With her Anus

>>717976246 (OP)
it has 87% positive review on steam. the only bad part is the ending

>>717986641
>the only bad part is the ending

>>717986641
The game is journalist bait. Which is incidentally why it's garbage. It's tailor made to make a good first impression and everything else is half assed or worse. It's basically a scam

>>717976246 (OP)
ITS KIRITO AND ASUNA!!!!!!!!!
ME LIKE ROM COM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>717979302
>isn't Arise the best-selling game in the series?
Keep in mind it came out during Peak Covid Lockdowns. If it hadn't, there's no way it'd break even half the numbers it did.

>>717976993
This. I liked the game sans the shitty damage sponge enemies but the second half of the fake is when you can tell Covid kicked in during development because the game turns into a slide show.

>>717976820
It's a game made for tourists and casual trash. So the same as modern Fire Emblem, Trails of Cold Steel and FFXIII/XV/Remake/Rebirth. It's garbage.

>>717976246 (OP)
This was such a disappointment after Berseria. Putting dumbed down gameplay aside, the characters were really fucking boring compared to what they had before, besides maybe the two main characters. They had nice chemistry, unlike
>boring daddy issues loli
>boring angsty twink
>brick personality pajeet king
>even more brick personality personal knight of the king

>>717992295
Tbh i dont get why people were enjoying any games after Xillia.
It was at this period where the games really took a nosedise, getting up and down in between.

Levels design were shit, most of the dungeons were big hallway, it got so much worse at Zestiria.
Gameplay not even as much fun, the attacks or artes are lackluster, even the bosses dont have an impact compared to the monsters.
Story went downhill when they have gotten too bleak or edgy on their themes.

>>717992295
female main characters are a crime against humanity

>>717976246 (OP)
>le racism is... le bad???
good ridance

>>717992295
>Liking Berseria
>Characters are boring
Pot calling kettle

>>717976246 (OP)
I quit when I washed ashore on a beach or something?
I'm not even sure if it was a genuinely bad game or I've just had my fill of Tales games, I couldn't get into Vesperia either which I had played beforehand.

>>717993616
No one in the Berseria cast could be described as boring besides maybe Laphi and even then the context of Velvet seeing her brother in him fleshes him out as a character along with the interactions between them.
One must be mentally ill to think that Velvet's charisma loses to Alphen's sad boy vibes or to think that either Rinwell, Law, Kisara or Dohalim are interesting characters when compared to the likes of Eizen, Magilou or Rokurou

The best part of Arise are Alphen and Shionne and honestly the game would have been better if it wasn't called Tales Of and if they removed every main character except for those two, making it a more personalized adventure with room for growth between them.

>>717987830
This is the thing that people ignore most.

>enemies now all have superarmor that you have to break first if you want to hitstun them
>artes are now separated into two categories, ground and aerial, vastly limiting your combo potential
>if you want to keep an enemy in its break state, you’ll find yourself forced into doing aerial combos even if you probably won’t want to, making the aerial and ground play feel even more homogenized
>the amount of differing effects an arte can have has been drastically decreased and combine this with the lack of ability to cancel out of overly long animations as well as the hitstun issues and you’ll be finding yourself sticking with the same basic artes just so you won’t eat shit
>bosses are now just glorified DPS checks with barely any interesting mechanics and interactions whatsoever outside of Ganabelt’s Indignation and you can’t hitstun or combo them, not even humanoid bosses
>since humanoid bosses can’t be juggled or comboed, your aerial artes are fucking useless against them and since jumping has a much higher height compared to past entries, you’re basically a sitting duck.
>AI customization is now party-wide instead of individually tailored like past entries, leading to more dumb deaths on the AI’s part
>Boost Artes/Strikes all have a singular answer and don’t particularly open up for interesting combo routes and gameplay applications
>enemy design is godawful, consisting of nothing more than recolors and enemies from other goddamn franchises
This game is a fucking mess.

With Harada in charge you'll never see another tales of game because he knows the game will fail without being on a nintendo platform.

>but arise

Majority of sales were PS4.

>>717976246 (OP)
And it wasn't even a bad game, truly saddening.

>>717994610
No, it very much was.

>>717994380
You nailed all the issues with the gameplay for me. When I first played arise after berseria the game felt way too restricting, spamming the same artes over and over because nothing else worked really fucking sucked but that was the way to go.