Thread 717985502

why didn't it stop the cheaters in BF6? were we just blatantly lied to so they could make money off of us?

>>717985502 (OP)
this is him without his little cheating tool

>>717985502 (OP)
Yes, it was a trick to test the waters on getting people used to having their hardware locked down. Every single one of you cattle on windows 11 with TPM are enabling the death of the personal computer.

>>717985502 (OP)
Yes, developers know the average "gamer" is a fucking retard, they dont even see you as people just a walking breathing wallet.

>>717985886
>Yes, developers know the average "gamer" is a fucking retard
The sad thing is that it's true.

I didn't buy a single EA, Ubisoft or Activision game for like 15 years. Exception were Raymon Origins and Legends.

Damn uncs… the Jews are making so much money off a setting I can turn off in my motherboard to enable signature verification…

>>717985638
Big. Oof

Because preventing kernel modification is not the purpose of secure boot. You can add more keys to your MBR, boot whatever the fuck you want, and still have secure boot enabled.

>>717985660
>>717985886
>hardware locked down
You're dumb, secure boot is a good safety feature that you should use no matter which games you are playing or what you are doing.

>>717985502 (OP)
What exactly does secure boot even do and why is it so controversial for gamers to turn it on? Is there any real downsides to it being on?
Plus I know it doesn't stop 100% of cheats but if it stops even a little bit of them, doesn't that justify having it enabled? I mean what do you have to lose from turning it on exactly?

>>717986643
uhh just check the enrolled keys?

>>717987402
People love having a pissy fit over anything. Secure boot checks to see if the system being loaded is signed with the enrolled keys.
In short it prevents tampering with the OS

You do not want a anticheat system that's embedded in your PC's security processor. That would be horribly intrusive.

>>717987653
This is the endgame though. It will happen sooner or later, with backing from OS and hardware vendors.
Actually I think Intel had the tech for this, originally built for video DRM, but it's no longer supported.

>>717987402
Because no game is worth having to into my BIOS and fuck around in there.

>>717987402
Secure boot checks the pieces of software (bootloader, OS kernel, drivers etc) that load at start up against a database of trusted signatures. If any of them have been messed with (potentially maliciously) it prevents the system from loading.
>Is there any real downsides to it being on?
I'm pretty sure all new (i.e. last decade) PCs have had it on by default. Most people never have to interact with it. The only issue is that some people are running installs on older system that use legacy BIOS, whereas secure boot is a UEFI standard. This can cause Windows (if using MBR partitioning) to fail to boot if they turn it on as it disables legacy support. Windows has a utility called mbr2gpt.exe that can resolve this.

>>717985660
Name one downside of having secure boot on.

>>717985502 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsEMPCSWu1o
Millions of people are retarded. That's it. You fall for these claims you are a retard.

>>717985502 (OP)
>flag hacker men in your free beta
>wait
>hacker men buy game
>Ban them on launch day
Imagine the seethe.

>>717985638
That's shameful, lmao.

>>717988490
>fag acts like a fag
Not watching your boyfriends video.

>>717988426
no. you prove it's beneficial to have it on

>>717987613
>>717988241
Yeah I'm not really seeing any downsides here. I get being mad at kernel level anticheats but getting mad at secure boot seems silly.

>>717988510
> What do you mean I was banned.
> DICE, EA, NOOOO!! YOU STOLE MY MONEY!!
Based grift. Just like Nintentoddler indians/chinese who seethe and rage about not being able to pirate, hack and cheat on Switch 2.

>>717988558
Its about exposing the faggity fag behavior man. Faze Swagg fanboy.

>>717988671
How am I a fanboy for calling him a faggot and not watching his gay ass faggot shit? Fuck you and your e-celeb obsession.

>>717985502 (OP)
I'll never stop saying that we are gonna find out these kernel level "anti cheats" that all get beat in under a day are just a cover for something else in about 10 years.

Like their entire purpose was turning your pc into a bitcoin miner or something.

>>717987402
It makes it so that you can only install Windows and only versions the real owner of the PC (not you, whoever controls the secure boot keys) lets you.

>>717988702
You are the one obsessing over an eceleb being included in a video not me. oh no, anyway, you are a bootlicker.

>>717988757
Whatever you say you e-celeb addicted loser you can only make arguments by posting your favorite internet man.

But what even is secure boot?

>>717988830
You need to tie your laces before you consider playing such a video game

>>717988567
Preventing malware from running and altering system files during the boot up process.

>>717987301
>secure boot
>good safety feature
Good goy.

>>717988809
I bet you got banned cuz you were cheating in video games and now mad and salty, what a loser, at least get banned for based shit.

>>717988748
This isn't true. You can use Linux and secure boot.

It turns out that just being root malware isn't actually enough to stop cheating. What it did accomplish though is proving the goyim do not give a shit about their computers integrity.

>>717988748
>you can only install Windows
Weird, how am I running Linux with secure boot enabled then?

>>717985660
Spbp

>>717988426
I can't run whatever software I like.
It also gives the person who implemented secure boot on my motherboard control of my PC

>>717987301
Enjoy losing all your data the moment your mobo or bios chip dies, retard
People like you deserve to suffer.

>>717989139
What software can't you run?

>>717985660
>My TMP and secure boot is on
Laughs in CatchyOS

Secure boot is required by Microsoft to be enabled before you can address the TPM. The TPM is typically for storing cryptographic keys but in this instance is used to identify what hardware is used to cheat with. Should the cheater be banned, not only will the game and/or account have to replaced but also the motherboard and/or CPU depending on which manufacturer you have. It is not possible to get around this hardware ban as each TPM is signed by the manufacturer's EKCert private keys with only the public key being exposed when addressed. The only possible way around this could be to install a discrete TPM module instead which are relatively inexpensive and are compliant. Should cheaters massively go this route however, it would be possible to lock out these modules as they would be signed by other manufacturers (i.e. Infineon instead of Intel or AMD).

>>717987301
>you You're dumb because you don't want a secure boot in your ass
Fuck you, go eat shit, faggot

>>717989183
My meme Linux distro's and BSD.
Also if I used windows I'd be annoyed about not being able to modify my OS at all

>>717989162
Secure boot has nothing to do with encryption and BitLocker. You can swap your hard drives between motherboards with no issues regardless of secure boot.

>>717988241
Secureboot doesn't prevent any kind of third party kernel drivers from loading, including of course malicious kernel drivers. It's a band-aid which solves no problem we can think off. It has almost always been the case that malicious kernel level code was implemented in term of drivers. The security expert consensus seems to be that it solves more or less nothing at all.

>>717987402
The real reason is that it makes installing other OS than Windows more difficult, and dual boot more difficult also. It's to make installing something else than Windows more difficult - and because only Microsoft have the primary keys, all OS must now be accredited by Microsoft. Which is the real sticker.

You literally can't install a Linux that hasn't been accredited by Microsoft if you have Secureboot. Thankfully, __for now__, it seems that Microsoft gives accreditation liberally. For now. At the moment. In the present. In this instant.

And of course locking the latest Windows behind Secureboot is to force everyone to adopt it. Once everyone has Secureboot on... well. Well.

>>717988426
No linux or customized windows.
So name one upside of having secure boot on

>>717988618
>bootlicking this hard
Your kind are even worse than jeets and chinks.

>>717988618
>pirate, hack
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

>>717988748
That was true maybe 10 years ago when secure boot was first introduced. Nowadays most major Linux distros support it out of the box and you can add support to the ones that don't. Hell, Microsoft even requires OEMs to let you either disable it or add your own keys to it.

>>717988809
>loser
You are wagealave.
And no, no matter how hard you cope being wageslave is not sucess

>>717988960
It only prevents shitty malware, there is malware that can infect bios

>>717989278
get another pc then retard. or a vm

>>717985638
I can't play CS to save my life but I can easily get an average 4.0+ KD with 30/40+ kills on any arcade shooter like BF, CoD, Destiny, so on

Just like the ONE clip going around of his "cheats", you're using ONE clip of his from the past to show his non cheats?

This tranny has literally mind broken you so insanely hard

>>717985502 (OP)
Because cheating tech is so advanced, no developer will ever do shit about it without sending a special inspector employee to your house who will watch how you play the game. If you're technically literate and know how your computer works, you will do orders of magnitude more on it than any dev-mandated software can do.
It is impossible to stop cheaters. That shit is just their impotent tiny attempt that bother honest players, which they do to please leadership and shareholders.

>>717989797
>>which I don't even use
No one cares or asked not your personal blog

>>717989852
MAD cheater

>>717989604
It's a lot harder to flash the BIOS without user interaction than it is to infect the bootloader. It's like saying disinfectant wipes are useless because that 0.1% of bacteria it doesn't kill could still make you sick.

>>717989817
No you can't.

>>717987402
secureboot allows the jews to hack into your computer and upload 20tb of bbc porn into your mainframe. do NOT turn it on it is a trick

>>717989312
>Once everyone has Secureboot on... well. Well.
I'm struggling to see what nefarious thing Microsoft could do with secure boot. Decide their root certificate can only be used with Windows? Then others will just distribute their own certificates. Or you know, it's one button to turn it off in BIOS.

>>717989312
Windows won't load unsigned drivers unless in test mode which obviously can be easily detected

>>717987846
why are you here if you're afraid of touching your BIOS? How do you even tie your shoes if you're afraid of clicking some buttons.
Does /v/ really no longer build their own PCs?
Or upgrade their BIOS?
Or update their memory profiles?
Or overclock?
Buy a console zoomie.

>>717990103
There was this time when some of their surface laptops can't have secure boot disabled, I don't really remember the whole thing but I assume you can't enroll your own keys either.

>>717989162
Holy retard, that's not what secure boot is at all. It has nothing to do with file encryption

>>717990206
Most of /v/ is retarded third worlders and children

>>717989935
Learn to read, retardo-kun

>>717990216
>surface laptops
>which is microsoft hardware
>doesn't allow you to fuck with the OS
No shit. Are you people actually retarded?

>>717989716
>buy another PC just to play some fotm multiplayer fps
Might as well just buy a PS5 at that point
>VM
These games don't work in a VM retard

>>717990216
I wouldn't buy microsoft hardware.

>>717990313
you're the newfag who misread my greentext

>>717990331
I'm not that guy in case you can't tell
Also the people who bought the computer and wanted to run another OS weren't too happy about it

>>717989162
God damn you are ignorant as fuck

>>717985502 (OP)
ea makes more with the palantir deal than with bf6 sales lol

>>717990374
>let me set up my gaming rig for....my Linux distro
Are you stupid? Why are you using linux on your gaming machine? You're actually thick as shit if you're not understanding this.

>>717985502 (OP)
>why didn't it stop the cheaters in BF6
secure boot stops a certain class of cheat, mainly ones that run "below" the OS and read other players positions from ram and whatnot.
these are undetectable by conventional anticheat, secureboot prevents them from being able to run at boot.

however, someone can easily whip up hax at application level to work during the beta, but it'll get banned in a week once anticheat knows what to look for.
the two aren't related, it's like asking why your legs are cold despite wearing a hoodie.

>>717990216
That's like complaining Apple doesn't let you install Windows on Mac.

>>717990458
Well yes, i don't care about secure boot

>>717990463
Linux has been the best gaming OS for 4 years

>>717990463
Proton is thing, retarded faggot

>>717990381
The intelamouse was good

>>717985502 (OP)
secure boot is just DRM. it doesn't help you one bit. corpos can get any kind of anti-cheat spyware signed so it doesn't protect you
thanks to secure boot you can no longer flash a newer OS or boot custom roms on android, which means old phones are left without updates
tl;dr secure boot is drm and bad

>>717990605
Cool enjoy. Then I don't understand what the problem is play BF6 on your Linux machine. Don't actually though because BF6 is dogshit.

>>717990605
Oh yeah, did you enjoy the BF6 beta?

Microjeet wants to have a walled garden like apple but all that will end up happening is that no one uses or wants to develop for their product except for a handful of boomers and other such idiots

The funny part is microjeet doesn't even manufacturers hardware

>>717990541
They do last I checked

>>717990686
I don't install spyware

>>717990463
>Are you stupid?
Says the retard who never heard of commas and proton

>>717987402
>What exactly does secure boot even do
It's DRM. It only allows whitelisted bootloaders, operating systems, and drivers to run. If big corpos haven't signed your OS, you're fucked.
You can supposedly use your own keys, but surprise surprise, corporations are not going to accept your custom keys

>>717990665
DRM usually doesn't let you modify and disable it.

>>717990665
This wasn't my experience when I enrolled my own keys, removed the microsoft keys, then set up a script to merge the kernel and ramdisk then sign them automatically, before enabling secure boot to prevent evil maid attacks, back in 2017.

>>717985638
link to full vid?

>>717990206
>yeeeeeeees goy turn on the DRM
fuck you shlomo
by the way, it also requires TPM, which is a DRM chip that doesn't have a single upside
>>717990806
>b-but you can disable it!
no you can't. you get locked out of running anything that demands it you stupid retard
the same thing happens on android, where whatsapp and pretty much any game and banking app demands safety net checks to pass. if you unlock your bootloader, they'll refuse to run. they intend to do the same on PC

>>717990583
>i-i didn't care actually
Lmao, raped faggot

>>717990821
it's possible to brick your computer if you change the platform keys
furthermore, anti-cheat software is NOT going to accept some rando's keys. or else that'd let you sign your own drivers and cheat you stupid retard

>>717990984
iirc you only brick your system if you have bitlocker drive since it relies on your tpm/secureboot key.

>>717990984
yeah I don't care for some kiddy game, just saying I have a real use for secure boot beyond conspiracy fodder

>>717990915
Then don't play it? Wow problem solved!

>>717985502 (OP)
>retards installing rootkits from gayming companies to play ai slop shooters
JUST

>>717990948
Turn on the tpm you bloody benchod it is mandatory

>>717991078
You're really bad at this

>>717985638
wtf is that reaction time

>>717991024
then you know nothing. some hardware will refuse to work if you use custom keys
the anti-cheat will also refuse to work without whitelisted signatures
it's DRM. just look at android, where you get locked out of banking apps, games, whatsapp, etc. if you unlock your bootloader

>>717991072
>dude it's a hecking rootkit!!!
fucking retarded subhuman gorilla nigger

>>717991131
You are not real jeet sar india is superpower

>>717987613
and how trivial is it to forge signatures?

>>717991078
OYYY VEYYYYYYYYY anti-semite. how dare you. the TPM is a protective hardware device you bigot!
>>717991072
Anti-cheats are not rootkits you anti-semite. they're just privileged programs with access to everything you do you bigot!

>>717988960
But it doesnt prevent ring0 anal probe from running

>>717991176
you're being too general. i'm being specific.
you same some hardware when i'm specifying the real reason. the computer wont boot because the drive wont boot because the drive is bitlocked and requires the same key if you cleared it then you dont have the same key obviously.

>>717991176
Why would you post some retarded framework forum post instead of the gihub issue he refences?

>>717987653
faceit is looking at my ai pony porn

>>717991270
sorry gevalt

>>717991280
>bitlocker
that's for windows. the screenshot does not even involve windows. you're just a fucking retarded indian pajeet

If you people hate Microsoft so much, why don't you just move to Linux?

Posting from my mint surface pro 7

>>717987402
Secure Boot is not an Anticheat. It's a feature of the Operating System, even Linux can enable Secure Boot without problems as it's part of it.

Secure Boot is the only component that can talk to the TPM in your motherboard , this TPM has a hardware key that cannot be changed or tampered with, this links all hardware components wiith encrypted keys to it.

The idea is to identify cheaters in the game and then ban the cheater by banning his user account and their TPM key from accessing the game servers.

The only way to bypass this ban is by buying a new computer and creating a new user account.
There are some more advanced tools to change the TPM key but this requires a BIOS flash with a custom firmware, then buying a new TPM module to replace the old one and reinstall the OS everytime you get banned, so most people won't bother with this and it is time consuming.

>>717991403
Your screenshot doesn't show anything other than a framework owner not able to boot his computer and his retarded theory about it .

>>717991403
you're being too general. which is a sign you don't know shit. be more specific. actually elaborate the uefi.

>>717991536
they HAVE to play the newest games but also HAVE to use Linux but also only have 1 machine and are too afraid to mess with their bios or learn how to use virtual machines and dual boot like it's 2012. Sad people really.

>>717991403
ESL retard.

>>717991564
everyone ignore this man he is a jew trying to hack into your computer!!! secure boot is a rootkit that the jews are going to use to steal your credit card

>Secure boot is good for you .
No one is physically attacking your desktop machine .
Please touch grass

>>717991536
same reason people don't buy amd gpus

>>717991176
>some hardware will refuse to work if you use custom keys
so bitlockered drives

>>717991549
>mint
I shiggy diggy

Did mobo manufacturers ever fix the UEFI backdoor?

>>717989278
You can add your own keys retard
>>717989338
>So name one upside of having secure boot on
No tampering with OS before boot.

>>717987402
There are no real downsides. Just an extra step for security of the system. It also stops a few cheaters since gamers are too technologically challenged and cheat devs don't want retarded users fucking up their os and telling them "WAAH THIS CHEAT BROKE MY PC"
>>717991254
You can add your own

>>717989312
>It's a band-aid which solves no problem we can think off
OSes suck at security therefore bandaids
>Once everyone has Secureboot on... well. Well.
Literally nothing would change

>>717985502 (OP)
>Secure Boot
>mfw some retard out there actually turned it on so he could play slop

>>717987301
He lies as he breaths.

>>717991687
Rootkits exist

>>717992103
Name one disadvantage of me having it on.

Thankfully only retards who play easchlop fell for this

>>717992185
And are usually signed by Microsoft

>>717987301
Good day to you too, Langley.

>NOOO DONT TURN ON SECUREBOOT AND FIREWALL I NEED THOSE DISABLED!!
lol
sorry chinky, the secureboot and tpm stay on during sex

>>717992409
Why would I need a firewall when im connected to my home network?

>>717992514
>2025 /v/

>>717992409
Lol circumcised cuck thinks microjeet keeps it safe

>>717992567
You are already behind a firewall on your own LAN no matter what machine but that reddit cartoon really showed me.

>Just turn off secure boot bro
>oh and make sure you disable Windows Defender too
>that firewall needs to go as well, it's just more bloat

>>717992724
>implying windows defender does anything

>>717992724
Delete system32 retard

>>717992820
It does, it gets a melty every time you run something not made by microsoft.

>>717992225
>I know wearing a mask is useless against Covid, but name one disadvantage of me having it on
Yikers

>>717992820
I get disliking windows/Microsoft but his is just untrue. You're being retarded.

>>717992917
10 rupees have been added to your account

>>717992724
firewall? more like firejew. the firejew prevents aryan connections from accessing your computer

>>717992969
ebin

>>717992724
You think you're really smart but all of this is true

>>717993001
>reddity passive agressive tone
>muh /pol/
Who asked you?

>>717992409
>tpm
Enjoy losing your data.

>>717993109
>yes goyim, enable my firejew
nice try rabbi

>>717992820
it caught that cheating indian on LAN

>>717992969
>Microsoft is somehow paying Indians to get people to use their free anti-malware service

/v/ might be the dumbest board on this website.

>>717985502 (OP)
Even the secure boot logo has the battlefield color theme lmao

>>717993392
Enable the tpm sar it is very intelligents for you

You'll get a reply eventually bud just keep trying

>>717992085
It doesn't actually prevent tampering, its borderline placebo

>>717988748
Factually incorrect. I'm using a, self-, modified win 10 with secure boot.

>>717993256
>goyim
You are indeed goy.
Your mainstream, official narrative was written by pedophilic jews and their shabbogoys

>>717993757
Pajeet uses secure boot but installs fitgirl repacks on his shitty old laptop lmao

>>717993392
Its borderline placebo, retard

>>717993960
Anon... are you having a stroke?

>>717994218
Bloody benchod bastard you are indian

>there 1 cheater instead of 10000 like Valve games got
>"pfft see! It does nothing to prevent cheaters"

>>717994893
Why did you post this picture of me?

>>717992225
corporations will start requiring it
I don't want to be shackled like with cell phones because of retards likes (You)
because of retards like (You) I can't set up a firewall on my phone to block apps from raping my battery, privacy, and data plan

>>717995101
I agree with the sentiment but I seriously doubt desktops will get as fucked as phones are

>>717994309
Oh my bad, I didn't realize that your mother is your sister.

>account bans through mobo id is... le good!
>tpm2.0 and secure boot is the Apple tier security solution that I need to be able to sleep and night and make sure I don't mess up my Gaming Computer!
>trusting microsoft and their cloud is based!
>obsessing over m-muh cheaters when the real problem is from poor performance and locked down dedicated servers entirely superseding community servers moderated by actual players
>zoomers and alphies will think their computer is hacked if someone had big head mode turned on in UT
>the brownoid boogieman is reason enough to lose rights and controls over not only my rented software but my actual hardware too!
You dumb losers are better off renting hardware from the cloud and streaming games to a monitor.

>>717985502 (OP)
Humiliation ritual.

>>717995901
oyyyyyyyyyyy veeeeyyyyyyyyyyyyy delete his anti-semite

>>717995901
Just don't cheat, retard

>>717985638
Typical tranny.

>>717990206
>>717987846
>BIOS
This is the year 2025, lads.
Your PC has no BIOS.
UEFI replaced that way, way back.

I'll just buy it on ps5, not giving EA keys to my root kernel

>>717995901
>account bans through mobo id is... le good!
Yeah, it is.

>>717990005
god damn it i knew it was another bbc trick

>>717986643
>add more keys to your MBR
>MBR
retard

>>717987402
It checks if whatever shit you're booting is approved by fucking Microsoft.

>>717994893
>games 20x more successful got more cheaters
no shit retard

>>717992724
>enables Secure Boot
>removes Microsoft keys
>"NO NOT LIKE THAT"
fuck off, William Henry Gates the Third.

>>717985502 (OP)
Secure boot is not an anti-cheat, it just blocks one possible vector of cheating.

>>717987402
There's no real downside unless you're trying to dual boot linux maybe. The main hurdle is that secure boot does not work with older MBR partitioned boot drives, and converting MBR to GPT requires a little bit of effort. Normies get scared whenever they have to open command prompt and/or enter the BIOS.

>>717997791
How does Riot Vanguard's cock taste?

>>717985638
You don't hate trannies enough. You think you do, but you don't.

>>717987301
>secure boot is a good safety feature that you should use no matter which games you are playing or what you are doing
why?

>>717996429
cringe

>>717999319
If it bans cheaters like you, then I'll gladly suck cock.

>>717988960
>Preventing malware from running and altering system files
Holy shit malware is still a thing? Have we gone back to the start of the millenium?

>>717985502 (OP)
>why didn't it stop the cheaters in BF6? were we just blatantly lied to so they could make money off of us?
Secure boot makes it much harder to run cheats, the majority of cheats needs secure boot off to run, with it turned on its much harder, its now not as easy as run a program prior to launching the game its a bunch of other bullshit you have to do, EA should just IP, VAC and hardware ban all in one anyone cheating in BF6 that would put off 99% of them

Do retards really risk losing 60 dollars by cheating?
I thought cheaters were only rampant in free games like TF2. Charging a dollar for a hat would have fixed the bots that still infest that game.

>>717989554
>You are wagealave.
A fucking what :D:D:D:D:DDDDDD

>>717999851
It's not about cheating. Do you really think companies like riot actually gave a single fuck about cheating and not gathering info from people's PCs to sell?

It didnt stop cheaters cause secureboot and tpm doesnt stop a dma. It would only stop the free tier hacks of which no one uses

>>717989817
Hello tranny, please join the 41%

I don’t need secure boot to know that trannies are insecure

>>717999537
Vanguard doesn’t ban cheats there’s plenty of scripting losers on league of legends who never miss their spells because it predicts where your going
Kernel level is about spying on you

>>717999851
>Do retards really risk losing 60 dollars by cheating?
it puts a lot of cheaters off, its why f2p games have the most cheaters as you can always get another account instantly unless they do this >>717999597
which would make it even more harder

>>717999537
Except you game is still full of cheaters and you caught AIDS from that cock. No refunds.

>>717985502 (OP)
Secure Boot isn't an Anti-cheat. It's a setting that prevents anything from executing before the OS, such as malware or cheat software to prevent them from hiding from the OS/Anti-malware or anti-cheat software.

Secure Boot is a good thing, the problem is it creates a transition issue for a number of users who are still using MBR partitions instead of GPT on their boot drives and can't switch to UEFI to enable SB. Btw, you need GPT for any drive over 2TB and in 2025 that's extremely common. Sooner or later people will need to make the switch, if not Battlefield, it'll be something else.

>>717999952
>Do you really think companies like riot actually gave a single fuck about cheating
Yes? That shit can kill multiplayer communities. It's a legitimate risk to their business interest.

Cheating is only so prevalent now because the beta is free. Turd worlders aren't going to risk bans when the game is three months' pay.

>>717985502 (OP)
>how comes this Operating System which is very well known for decades for being full of holes makes it possible to run anything despite it being locked down and labeled SECURE?
Gee this will stay a mystery forever.
But maybe you can solve the puzzle if you read about shit that happens fairly regularly.
Like Microsoft them selves digitally signing malware so it can run on Windows without hassle.
https://www.bitdefender.com/en-us/blog/hotforsecurity/microsoft-approved-and-digitally-signed-malicious-drivers-used-in-ransomware-attacks

*hacks my arm* what now, kernelcuck?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9alJwQG-Wbk&t=833s

>>717999537
>taking it up the ass to "own the chuds"
cringe and gay as fuck

>>718001169
>it's a good thing
you're jewish we get it
>can't run blacklisted drivers. did a software vendor blacklist your drivers? get fucked
>can't boot unapproved operating systems
>there are programs that refuse to run without it
it's DRM
if it's so good then why do people have to be forced to use it? could it be that it's only corporations who benefit?

let us add a kernal driver to your system bro you hate cheaters don't you?

>>718003527
Anon would refuse to install software from credible developers who refuse to pay microsoft the gorillian dollars it takes to get the installer cert registered to not flag the "this could be malware!" warning. Meanwhile all the other verified programs from corps will mine your data before you even create an account.

>>717992869
Wow, just like insecureboot

>>717989296
Secure Boot takes screenshots every few seconds and sends them to Collective Shout so they can see if you're doing anything naughty.
Just use linux. It doesn't even have a GUI to take screenshots of, so they can't see you reading Smurfs erotic fiction in pico.

>>718005183
you don't get it anon. programs themselves will start requiring secure boot, making it impossible to use anything but goy-approved operating systems. just like jewgle made it impossible to use anything but vanilla android

>>718004297
shut up chuddie just consoom and stop talking

>>717987727
Kill all competitive fps retards

>>717988720
It's to steal your data retard

>>717986383
what compels a man to such levels of faggotry

>>718006910
that's not what secure boot does. why is everyone on /v/ so tech illiterate?

>>717990915
>the same thing happens on android, where whatsapp and pretty much any game and banking app demands safety net checks to pass. if you unlock your bootloader, they'll refuse to run. they intend to do the same on PC
Yes, that's what's so frustrating about this discussion. The dystopian future is already here on mobile devices, but people deny that the same will happen on PCs.

>>718007132
>>718006398
if microsoft made it impossible to use anything other than windows the entire tech industry would gang up on them with anti-trust lawsuits

>>718007281
Laughs in NVIDIA.

>>717988830
it's the opposite of Loonix, which is insecure boot

>>717989251
>a cheater modifies his hardware
>but the cheater can't modify the serial numbers

>>718007281
why is jewgle not being sued for (((safety net))) then? why is crapple still allowed to lock down ios outside the EU?
btw, jewgle give devs a checkbox that if ticked forces people to install apps from an (((official appstore))), so sideloading is effectively gone from android

>>718007281
And how did that work out last time?

>>717985502 (OP)
>why is my mandatory spyware not protecting me?

>>717989312
>it makes installing other OS than Windows more difficult
good
Games are for Windows.
Windows is the default and works.

>>718007281
>linux foundation would gang up
>loonix foundation is funded by Microsoft
>Microsoft would gang up
meds

>>717989251
>TPM module
you mean DRM on a chip? fuck that noise. no one wants a repeat of (((safetynet))) and (((play integrity))) on PC

>>718007721
>stealloading
just pay for the stuff you use, cheapskate

>>718007740
Addendum: I actually think anti-trust is the appropriate way to approach this, but it needs to actually happen. You shouldn't count on the government to just do it without any pressure.

>>718007814
Loonix supports TPM, therefore DRM

>>717985502 (OP)
>MSFT demands you have secure boot
>EA (shortly others) demands you have secure boot
OK what the FUCK is going on?

>>718007982
Nothing.
You accepted Valve assfuckery 20 years ago.
It's just some more assfuckery on (((PC)))

>>718007760
if it's the default and just works, then why is windows 10's marketshare almost larger than 11's despite the former hitting EOL? it's almost like windows 11 is much worse dogshit than 10 is

>>718008085
I dindu nuffin.

>>718008201
>Windows is winning
>that means Windows is le bad

>>717987402
As some other anons have pointed out, it's just DRM for your OS and hardware that Microsoft most likely holds all the keys for, it just checks your hardware configuration and then ties that to your TPM "key" so that your PC can be identified by anyone who checks it, it then goes through a whitelist of "known goodboy software" during OS boot and if any "badboys" are found among them it either terminates the boot thanks to a kernel panic or it simply skips loading the "bad" software.

You can technically make your own DRM using it but if your using your own "version" of it then MS and it's partners can just block you from accessing their stuff and worst case scenario is that, since they were a major pillar during its design phase, they most likely have the master key to it, so MS can just brick it or change it without warning.

It is also a part of the "replacement" for the old BIOS standards known as UEFI (Which MS is also a MASSIVE contributor towards), which, surprise surprise, has been known to be "bugged" when used by Microsofts bootloader in such a way that it used to randomly brick GRUB if you were dual-booting Linux, it just happened to be fixed by Microsoft in an update recently but it took them about a fucking decade to fix the "issue".

>>718007945
no one in their right mind would use a TPM. they have keys baked in at the factory, making them useless as a root of trust

>>718008450
oh yeah, forgot to mention that TPMs and secureboot enable PC bans
this means that corpos are turning secondhand hardware purchases into a minefield, just like buying a used switch is a bad idea thanks to irrevocable console bans

I think a lot of comments in this thread are missing the bigger picture here. Secure Boot in-and-of-itself is not a major problem and is arguably a boon for security (albeit an overrated one that comes with some risks). The real problems come from what it enables:

Measured Boot -> Secure Boot -> Remote Attestation
Measured Boot: The TPM records each component of the boot chain.
Secure Boot: Same as measured boot but the TPM also enforces signatures on each component.
Remote Attestation: The TPM can prove to a remote third-party (e.g. a multiplayer or license server) that your computer is operating in a specific configuration.

It's remote attestation that is the real problem. With that, companies can start demanding that you run only a very locked down OS in order to use their software or service, with the OS itself providing DRM or intrusive monitoring. You can see a version of this on mobile devices today.
Ask yourself this: if secure boot provides such minimal benefits to EA, why are they insisting on it, even knowing that it will cost them some single-digit percentage of customers? The only answer I can come up with is that they're willing to take the hit in order to help construct the infrastructure of digital control.

>>717985638
is that his screen or a demo? replays are notoriously shit at playing back what the game sees vs what people actually saw during the game.

>>718008617
>Secure Boot in-and-of-itself is not a major problem
I don't want your anticheat spyware rootkits, or (((play integrity))) on PC. secure boot and tpm enable just that, on top of permanent computer bans. and lastly, TPMs and secure boot make it impossible to mod games (anti-tampering)
fuck off shlomo
>It's remote attestation that is the real problem.
and what do you think these programs rely on retard?

>>718008949
Reading comprehension failure

>>718008949
>I don't want to get banned for cheating permanently

>>718002645
Stfu linix tranny

>>718009483
>yes goy just let us identify your computer uniquely, something that even jewgle forbids (they implemented (((advertisement IDs))) and banned any devs who collected IMEI numbers)

>>717985502 (OP)
>were we just blatantly lied to so they could make money off of us?
Short answer: Yes.
Long answer: Yes, they want to syphon your data and this kernel level cheat simply gives them access to all your system information. They are going to see this information to info brokers and make extra profit and they will say that they need this anti-cheat to protect you from cheaters. The cheaters are still here. The company is doing this for their own profits.

>>718011840
it's not just that. tpm and secure boot
>let corpos block mods (game won't launch without vanilla files)
>let corpos ban your computer permanently (and then share the banlist). this is terrible for the second-hand computer market
>let corpos dictate what drivers and operating systems you can use
>cause stutters (countless complaints about the issues)

>>718012315
>>718011840
>secure boot steals your data and blocks mods from running on your pc
Is there some youtuber telling retards that shit? Where are you even getting this from?

Anyone who enables secure boot just to play a game deserves to be trashed by cheaters.

>>718011323
>What's the problem with cheating?
t. small dick

>>718012315
you allowed and welcomed American-made Steam-slop.
You got only yourself to blame.

>>717990206
its sad. most zoomies dont know what a bios actually is. hell, many of them dont understand basic file structures or how to even find shit if its not saved to their desktop.

I will never enable secureboot because idgaf and it shouldnt be required, even if i have tpm 2.0 compatible hardware. ill spend hours in my bios finetuning every voltage and performance curve though.

The biggest reason though is that zoomers are particularly bad about doing anything on their own in fear of breaking it. Theres no curiosity and no desire to experiment. They are so averse to making any sort of mistake they'd just rather not do anything. They think if they go into their BIOS they can break their computer. Honestly as long as you're not touching voltages you cant even break anything in bios that a CMOS clear wont fix. Doesnt matter to them though. Could break it, wont risk it.

>>718013076
>They think if they go into their BIOS they can break their computer.
you literally can, retard.

>>718013170
ok zoomie, without touching voltages how can you permantly break your computer with bios settings?

oh wait, you cant tell me because you dont actually know fuckall about computers.

>>718007652
Not sure what you're trying to say but no you can't fake valid EKCerts.

>>718003527
You are genuinely retarded and have no clue what you are talking about and are just regurgitating hearsay bullshit.
>can't run blacklisted drivers. did a software vendor blacklist your drivers? get fucked
Has nothing to do with SB, drivers load after the OS you retard. SB is for execution before the OS.
>>can't boot unapproved operating systems
Secure Boot is for Windows. I don't know what the fuck your talking about by saying "unapproved OSs". You wouldn't be running SB if you aren't on Windows anyways. Works perfectly fine on my cracked W10 OS, which is by definition "unapproved".
>there are programs that refuse to run without it
Moot point unless they have a non-Windows version that requires it, which means the software developer is a fucking retard.
>if it's so good then why do people have to be forced to use it could it be that it's only corporations who benefit?
Nobody is "forced" to use it shit for brains. You can still use your PC without it. Currently there are barely any contemporary programs that require it, BF6 is the first large time the concept of SB has infiltrated the normie-sphere. It's a good feature because it helps protect the user. And yeah protection of the user is also in the interest of MS and gaming companies because they want to make money from you and unsecured and hacked computers are bad for business you fucking mongoloid.

>>You're Jewish
I'm a WASP. Go back to /pol/ you seething, tech illiterate brownoid.

>>718013323
>you can modify program code and data
>you can't make software return another serial number

>>718013317
>don't touch these

>>718013323
You might be able to proxy them, though.

>>717985502 (OP)
Because secure boot was made primarily to make it more shitty and difficult to install and run os's that are not windows, and those boot sector viruses that were patched out years ago anyway.

>>717990463
Welcome to the 2020s fag, proton exists.

>>718013785
yes, voltages - the one thing that is common sense to anyone with half a brain to the point where old bioses even had warning saying do not touch this one specific setting if you dont know what you're doing. Modern ones will hit you with multiple warning messages on the voltage related settings saying - hey if you dont know what you're doing you can actually fuck something up here, are you sure you want to make a change? Not to mention the voltage settings are usually burried somewhere that you actually have to look for them.

Literally every other setting it just lets you do whatever because its impossible to fuck up your system from bios.

Once again youre just exposing the fact you're a retarded zoomer who doesnt know shit about computers and is scared of them. Outside of voltages, that have build in warning messages, there is literally nothing you can do in your bios that will break your computer to the point a quick CMOS clear wont fix it.

>>718013371
this thread demonstrates how genuinely fucking stupid the average /v/ermin is, the shit i've read here is fucking retarded

>>717985502 (OP)
nigga, did you really change your bios settings to play some AAA slop? nigga, you stupid

>>718014094
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface/Secure_Boot#Implementing_Secure_Boot

>>717987301
> We have to make sure that Mossad is the only one with supervisor level CPU backdoor
What an odd thing to say.

>>717985502 (OP)
bricked my motherboard when i turn on secure boot. ended up having to remove a CMOS battery.

>>718007982
>MSFT
It's just a standard nowadays, even Linux devs agree to this and find no issues with it.

https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot#What_is_UEFI_Secure_Boot_NOT.3F

>>717985502 (OP)
>>717985660
>>718007563
>>718014919
Retards you have no idea what secure boot even is
You can even use with your own keys on linux

>>718013371
>you're not forced to use it even though the prompt requires you to turn it on
least obvious ea shill

>>718014308
It's the endless summer. 24/7 access to the Internet has filled it with drooling retards who just regurgitate information without a modicum of thought or verification.

>>718015184
>yes goy just accept the keys baked into your hardware that are signed by some shady CA that's outside your control
can you fuck off?

>>718014308
the funny thing is that you are probably dumber than most of the posters ITT

>>718015808
go ahead and explain

>>718015772
No, but you WILL be locked outside of your games and operating system, even Linux is on it, there is no way out

>>718015872
no thanks. someone with the level of your iq won't understand. just take it at that

>>718015943
LOL yeah figured, another retard who's too afraid of saying what he actually thinks because he's afraid of getting made fun of on an anonymous imageboard

This is how every game will look like from now on. Also, older games will receive an update to make sure you have it enabled.

>>718015389
>You can even use with your own keys on linux
okay but why would I want to, specifically on linux

>>718014179
>every other setting
>it's impossible to fuck your system from bios
meds

>>718016670
zoom zoom. learn about your computer.

>>717989278
>trying to dual boot linux on the same drive as windows
Idiot.

>>717985502 (OP)
>SecureBoot
Literally only relevant for insurance purposes in buisness ventures. It has no value to consooomer whatsoever -- if you catch yourself bootkit as consooomer, you have bigger problems than the bootkit itself.

If a rootkit kernel-level "anticheat" requires SecureBoot, it's a massive red flag, because the "anticheat" itself can be then used to circumvent SecureBoot. To expect consooomers to enable a hardware feature that has the potential to brick a system is bad, to expect consooomers to enable a hardware feature that has the potential to brick a system to facilitate a corporate rootkit is just ridiculous.

The entire "anticheat" topic has been solved decades ago with community run servers and community curated ban lists. I'd take getting banned by a butthurt badmin over installing corporate rootkits and enabling hardware "security" features that at best are completely unnecessary and at worst make me more dependant on corporate (e.g.: soon-to-be-expired certificates).

>>718016670
>don't put windshield washer fluid in your car anon, if you pop the hood you may put sand in your brake fluid reservoir and remove your spark plugs and put cement in your engine by accident!

>>718013639
No, because you'd have to break into Intel or AMD headquarters physically to get their private keys.

>>718021367
Terrible analogy. It's more like:
>installing an additional lock (= SecureBoot) to your ignition that's indepedant from your original set of car keys
>in order to install a proprietary, intransparent corporate blackbox (= the rookit "anticheat") ontop of that lock
Why should that "anticheat" require or even interact with SecureBoot? It's completely self-defeating. The very moment your PC successfully boots up, there's no benefit to SecureBoot in regards to "anticheat" measures, unless the "anitcheat" is actively messing with its funcitionality. In which case whoever created that "anticheat" can brick your system if they push faulty code.

>>718008450
>It is also a part of the "replacement" for the old BIOS standards known as UEFI (Which MS is also a MASSIVE contributor towards), which, surprise surprise, has been known to be "bugged" when used by Microsofts bootloader in such a way that it used to randomly brick GRUB if you were dual-booting Linux, it just happened to be fixed by Microsoft in an update recently but it took them about a fucking decade to fix the "issue".
For real? How was that even prevented before?

all this going to achieve is ring -2 cheats

>>718022309
>you need to break encryption when you can simply modify what an API returns

>>718013076
Don't fix what isn't broken, many people online report accidentally bricking their own computer trying to get this shit dealt with. Their electronic device went from working to not working, and they don't know how to make it work again. The inner workings of computers both physically and digitally are not a hobby, they are not fun. They are a means to an end, they are the gears that turn to make the machine do what it is meant to. I cant relate to people who view fucking around with the guts of computers to be entertaining anymore than I can relate to people who like to do mechanical work on vehicles for shits and giggles.

>>718024175
Here you go lil buddy, some light reading for you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-key_cryptography

>>717985502 (OP)
you get a free pass if you're a tranny

>anti cheat doesn't stop cheaters
>gamers are cum gargling retards that will defend blatant cheaters
>developers take away tools from the player to combat cheaters
Just fucking bring back community servers

>>717985502 (OP)
>v tranny mods are deleting all cheat posts
They didn't delete this one because that fucking puke tranny motherfucker isn't named in the title and their disgusting vtuber avatar isn't in the OP.

>>718024303
>when you control literally everything on a computer, you can't change code to return TRUE, you need to break le safe encryptionerino
nope
you are a zoomer and you are retarded

>>718024303
>to get my password, they would have to break encryption
no, I will grab you and waterboard you until you give me the password

>>718025713
>anti cheat doesn't stop cheaters
BS
You see it with Fortnite.
Fortnite has not many cheaters.
Counter Shitted is full of cheaters.
>but when you can't get rid of every single one immediately, it's worthless
bullshit

>>718027126
>>718027228
The cryptographic vault isn't even used in this case, and the issue isn't that you need to retrieve a password but a valid key pair response that will only be valid with the private key. Next time actually read it.

>>718027126
>you can't change code to return TRUE
Correct, because the "code" is physical circuitry. Have fun rearranging the atoms, badass-kun.

>>718027480
>it isn't even used
I accept your concession.

>>718028171
>the code is physical circuitry
Even your CPUs contain microsocode (similar to your micropenis), which is literally software, which can be changed, dumb fuck

why is every one of these threads the past few days just 2-3 trannies replying to the entire thread while spamming the equivalent of "she's not hacking get gud lol"

>>717987301
It sure is. Except BF6 doesn't work with self-signed secure boot with the Windows kernel added to the DB as permitted.

>>718028329
Wow that's crazy why didn't Intel think of that?

>>718028578
they are called INTEL for a reason, dumb fuck.

>>718028519
>BF6 doesn't work with self-signed secure boot
you sound retarded cuz it worked fine for me

>>718028254
It doesn't use it because all it needs is the signatures genius, but that's literally in the original post >>717989251
>>718028329
While maybe theoretically feasible, the EK cert is immutable and signed during manufacturing, it would require state level funding to tamper with with the help of the manufacturers.

>>718028370
because that's what it is
the whole purpose of these faggot zog war games is to frustrate, humiliate and enrage the player who plays them.

>>718028741
>my PC masterrace will expire 2050
lmao
PC "yes, master" race