Thread 718020591

They should've made it an immersive sim with Deus Ex-type schizo lore. Would've been kino

it was way more immersive than deus ex

>>718020591 (OP)
>Deus Ex-type schizo lore
Existing IP, retard-kun

>>718020591 (OP)
I do kinda wish it was more of a stealth and hacking game (although it already has plenty of that) because killing 30 heavily armed guys every mission and hundreds over a playthrough is breaking immersion, but it would lose too much market appeal.
They can't afford to limit their potential audience like that, not with the budget this thing had.

>>718021105
I mean, you can build your character to be hacker and stealthy.
>>718020591 (OP)
How is it not exactly that though?

>>718020693
>>718021374
As pretty as it looks, the map as nothing on it for how big it is. You can't even talk to random people or go to some bar with your buddies or stuff like that. It's only a big hub world for the gigs

>>718021374
I am playing a stealthy hacker and while it totally does work, it's clear that the game is not entirely tailored for it. Going through a mission stealthily can sometimes just feel like work, especially without ranged weapons.

>>718021374
>>718022118
stealth hacker is the most boring gameplay in any game ever, literally press button to win and there isn't even any kind of meaningful resource management or puzzle-like gameplay, the novelty wears off quickly

>>718022118
Yeah but that's sadly how stealth is even in games that are primarily stealth games though, it feels like work.

How can everything in gaming have evolved so much, but gameplay and level design are in the dark ages.

>>718020693
Not even close. Cyberpunk isn't not an immersive sim in the first place.

>>718020591 (OP)
Or MGS lore.
Super missed opportunity even. You had the whole "corpo" thing there. You could totally make that a covert operations organisation or something and have a drastically different set of gameplay elements matching those sorts of games.
Then leave the GTA shit to the other branches.

I was expecting this, instead they just shove V into the same story as the average gutter dwelling choom. What's the point of even having it?

>>718020591 (OP)
your father should've pulled out but here we are

>>718022541
It's ok, but it's not what it could be. It could be something more akin to MGS or Deus Ex.
You could just have some locations that force that sort of gameplay to happen. They sorta half do it, but then it breaks too easily and just becomes GTA slop.

>>718020693
Maybe, but not nearly as immersive as MGS. That still shits all over it.
I played that AFTER this game btw. They sorta start on the whole Arasaka crime gang shit but then it just sorta gets meh and the gameplay isn't nearly as good as MGS. It wants to be MGS at times but just flops. You have all of this detailing of the open world, but then the covert operation element is just sorta patched in and it doesn't quite click, when it really could be the main driver of this sort of game.

I think they focused way too much on the GTA shit.

>>718023268
Blame consoles ironically. We can't have advanced gameplay because their CPUs are holding everything back. When consoles finally get X3D CPUs we will see gaming innovation again.

its already kino

>>718023268
Because gameplay and designs are being nerfed by ESG and censorship to memory hole strategic shit and prevent trauma of children.
Which ironically is causing the complete opposite while making games duller than ever and while stagnating the economy in this industry, but other industries too. 25% contraction is srs bsns lost because of ESG and censorship. Perhaps it's time to stop.

>instead it's going to get worse because ekaren doesn't care if her kids starve and are raped IRL because of her laws, she's that stupid

There was way more rape before any of this form of media existed btw. Talking pre-20th century when sex trafficking was just normal cultural shit.

I would love if the sequel is a Deus Ex type of game. I know it won't be, it'll be yet another open world jack-of-all trades but still, its good to dream. You could do an entire immersive sim in just in one of the megablocks.

>>718025398
It's tame as fuck.
It's not even close to what it could be because it's formal industry slop. The industry cannot make anything remotely close to grindhouse-y let alone so grim and dark and sinister like our reality. Only real life can do that unfortunately.

Gotta break laws to do this too. I thought games caused crime, instead here's more proof that it ironically prevents it from happening in the streets.

>>718025136
>MGS
>gameplay
lol
You can pick any game from the series and present it as the apex movie game. When Kojima finally moved on to something else, he created a couple literal walking simulators.

jensen 100% should be a cameo in the cyberpunk sequel. if kojima is in then why not?

>>718025716
Eh, mgs v is just nonstop gameplay, almost to a detriment imo.

>>718025716
>>718025891
yeah after 4 he took the movie complaints seriously and started making pure gameplay with peacewalker/5/deathstranding

>>718025716
>You can pick any game from the series and present it as the apex movie game
As compared to what?
CP77?
Lol,
At least when you're infiltrating places it feels like a proper infiltration (well more like it at least) than in CP77.
CP77 feels like a walk in the park compared to MGS2 even. It's too easy. It needs to be much much harder like a little slip up will collapse the house of cards.

But this is only for Corpo or Defense lifepaths. Don't do this as much for the others otherwise that lifepath loses it's distinction.
You need different gameplay for the other paths. More social interaction shit maybe. Trying to convince people to swing your way and make your way up in the world from the gutters.

Corpos shouldn't be that. They could totally just be a pure covert operations lifepath thing.

>>718026076
I haven't played 5 yet but it looks both interesting and also potentially boring at the same time like Death Stranding. He needs to synthesize the "opera" of the game better ay. So does CP77.

>>718022541
Is hacking still good? I played it at launch and heard it got gutted. Which is fair enough since you could x-ray vision a building, then 1-shot a whole mission with technoAIDS.

>>718020591 (OP)
It WAS an immersive sim

But that's what they did?

>>718026432
the game has a very tight loop. some people may find it repetitive, others find it addicting. personally I think its excellent once you get into it, you actually feel like you're boss when you learn the mechanics.

>>718020591 (OP)
They should've just finished the trilogy.
Eidos I mean.

>>718026507
I don't know, I played some time ago, maybe it's weaker now.

>>718025262
consoles are the reason for people being able to run AAA games on their shitboxes at all
>muh crysis (2007, pc only)
tech demo that no PC could handle at release
>crysis 2 (consoles and pc)
fps kinoludo with great gameplay and story
>crysis 1 release
people saw it for what it was, got panned by critics

>>718026621
No it wasn't and CDProject never called it an immersive sim.

>>718026621
The game generates the traffic and NPC locations on the fly and it resets every time you look away.
An immersive sim NEEDS elements of world simulation. It can't have fake NPCs and traffic.

>>718020591 (OP)
They really should have dropped the whole badlands part of the map, those awkward suburban streets and apartments and instead pumped the little effort they put in those areas and dumped it all into the City Center and the surrounding districts.

All City. All Neon. All Night.

>>718026892
I thought it looked addicting, but also tedious. I can see why people dislike it and MGS2 (which divided people too because it kinda jumped the shark with anime bullshit unlike MGS1 which somehow felt more grounded with characters).

Also this is a Deus Ex/ MGS thread now considering both franchises are dead and CDPR might be our only hope for another AAA covert operations/conspiracy shit game. I always love conspiracy bullshit games in their own universe with obvious parallels, they're my favourite genre and it's sad that people really don't like them much anymore because it terrifies them in the epstein-covid world. Especially uncanny ones.

>>718027113
Sure, it's not like they deliberately sabotage PC releases with neglect in order to force people to buy the console version, which is less easy to pirate.
Looking at you, Fromsoft, Atlus, E33 devs and CDPR.

In the old days, this was a consumer law violation.
Yet they always bitch about pirates to distract you from this. Hypocrites.

>>718026507
You need investment into it, and pursuing quickhacks. You also need to come up with a set of quickhacks and how you're gonna use em; decks and cyberware also.
The moment-to-moment mechanics in combat and in stealth can be simplistic, but there's a big side element of collection and buildcrafting around hacking.
CDPR have put in a great effort into making a cyberpunk setting work. Shit is *not* easy (as 1.0 showed).

I can't believe some anime and mass sunken cost fallacy was all it took to convince the entire gaming community that this the developers were perfect angels and that this game was a victim of pushy shareholders and console releases, and not the fact that they replaced most of their staff and overhauled the game half way through.

With them switching to Unreal slop and getting further absorbed by California, Project Orion will be doomed.

>>718020591 (OP)
CDPR didn't make any of the Lore though, some negroid did two decades before you were born.

>>718020591 (OP)
they already did that and its better then deus ex in every way that counts. sucks to have such shit taste as (you)

>>718028419
everything is priced in, they don't have to sabotage shit, PC is just a dogshit platform to play most games on

>>718028646
>only 3 of the classes from the tabletop made it in and very soon after you start the game they just get fused into one
>tabletop establishes how far surgery has come and how much society has abused it, it's gotten so bad that some people don't even look human anymore; the only thing the game does is give everyone new pupils, robot limbs and chrome skin
>no flying cars
Bro...

>>718028497
I did hacking, it's ok.
I like the perk tree. I've heard it was kinda nerfed but I only played the game post liberty patch.
It really could be more covert ops orientated though. Hacking in itself is a form of infiltration, why not concatenate that with stealth physical infiltration gameplay more? That's what hacking really is designed to do.
I mean, I guess it does do that a bit, but it still doesn't go far enough and the world design kinda makes it far too easy. You can get away with murder far too much.

Then again, in MGS2 you just enter a door and everything resets (yet I found this fun.. strangely).

>>718028616
No, CDPR lied and so did the Journalists. Just as they did in The witcher 3 and will for Orion.

And you retards fall for it every time.
Everyone who fell for almost a decade of hype and lies deserved to get scammed by CDPR.

Anyway i pirated every CDPR game since TW1 and i have fun with CP2077 suck my dick.

>>718028774
You forgot that inspite of how degenerate Night City is supposed to be there's only 2 or 3 prostitutes and theyre both ugly with little to no sex appeal - in a world where surgery has gone off the rails.

Oh, and in a game that made a point to add genital customization, the sex scenes are rather boring

>>718028646
It's crazy how a black writer was already critical of diversity policies back in the 80s and 90s.
Oh wait it caused the LA riots to a degree from memory.

wuthering waves is doing a cyberpunk collab next year but i have no clue how a adult game is related to a game for teenagers.

dont kid yourself
the whole setting, cyberpunk in general that is, is completely aesthetic and performative at this point.
it exist purely so a bunch of theater kids can safely play revolution in their favorite media slop.
You will never hear anything remotely transgressive from that genre ever again.

>>718028864
Play Honey Select if you need to goon so badly.

>>718028785
Shadowrun: Dragonfall and Hong Kong (which we might be seeing in Orion btw) do this thing with their levels where you can solve a level-wide social/hacking puzzle to completely sidestep the combat of the mission. It's tons of fun and gets you a lot of flavor and story.
This sort of thing is present in 2077, but somehow doesn't work as well. Probably because they cheap out on it and just put in random doors or other little skillchecks that are merely some extra loot or a side path. I guess having the level "evolve" more like it does in Shadowrun would be too expensive in terms of assets for a AAA 3D game. I do hope they figure it out with Orion.

>>718028864
Yeah, AAA just has no freedom ay.
Doesn't help when you have right winged mouth breathers pushing their censorship laws down our throats and then also left winged mouth breathers doing... the exact same fucking thing.
It's like winged politics is a lie and both wings are rigged by the establishment in order to control the masses or something.

Hang on, where have I heard this plot before?

>>718029057
There was nothing transgressive about the Cyberpunk genre since Neuromancer bucko.

>>718029012
Gacha shit, like dlc and pay to win, needs to fucking die. It is actually killing the game industry and is 100% the reason why the industry contracted so much over the past couple years. More than the impact of covid and AI. People see games like slot machine gambling because of gacha now. I don't blame them, so do I a bit now too. My sister is paranoid about her bf's obsession with games because of gacha. She used to play games, now she avoids them.

>>718029482
i like gacha games because it gives me joy like yugioh

>>718029057
>You will never hear anything remotely transgressive from that genre ever again.
Mainly because of cucks like you, afraid of breaking the law.
God, do CDPR pay shills to say this utter garbage nowadays?
Sheesh.

You'd expect a corporation that already committed mass consumer law violations to have some self awareness, but I guess not.
>btw this is the entire modern gaming industry, the laws are meaningless at this stage

>>718029265
some 90s anime/manga managed to tackle the philosophical side of it here and there
but most was just coomer shit really
I'd even say that DE:HR made an interesting attempt, but the whole aug thing just fell flat as a gimmick in the end

It's always just the same shit:
>erm... corpos are ... le bad??!?!

have never heard that one before. very interesting, thank you.

>>718029707
>muh corporations

this is the exact shit I'm talking about
get some new material you uncreative fag

>>718022097
I mean you can't in Deus Ex either. Or most games. It's not Bethesda.

>>718029576
And this is why the industry will become a dying medium like the Hollywood film industry.
I guess AI is all we have left.
>oh wait, that's becoming gacha too
I guess pajeet slaves it is-
>actually pajeets are notorious for baiting people and giving inferior produce and quality to make a buck

Fuck we're doomed. The world really is finished now.
Time to make cyberpunk real then I guess?
>it already kinda is nowadays and I hate it

>>718029845
Die corpo scum.

>>718029159
>be me
>be 10ish
>play GTA
>get a hooker because... of reasons
>mfw they just sit there in the car and the car just bobbles around while sound plays when you press the reverse cam button

I felt so ripped off.
Nowadays, some kids actually want censorship, it fucking disgusts me. When I was a kid, all it did was make me want to burn the house down.

>>718030045
Corporations are the ultimate stage of economic organization, they provide us with affordable high quality goods and services.

>>718030414
>a house costs $500,000
Oh how times have changed

>>718030045
the funny part about silverhand is that he'd probably have a field day with you theater kid faggots.

As I said, the entirety of cyberpunk writing nowadays, it's all aesthetic performative crap repeating patterns for safe consumption.
If you are such a stuck up twit that you can't go beyond that routine, you'll never get anything transgressive or interesting. After all, how would you even get there?
You will just remain as gay as you are and consume the same slop over and over and over again.

How about a cyberpunk story from the corporations side?
Oh no you can't do that cause those guys are le evil and they gotta be le evil or the retarded fanbase is going to cry.

Next time maybe stick with Disney Star Wars... seems to be more your range of permitted creative engagement.

>>718029767
>>718029845
>>718030525
>Well if billionare corporations are so bad then why don't you just become a terrorist and overthrow society HUH?!?!
Retards

>>718030842
that's an interesting level of reading comprehension.

How brown are you?

>>718030525
>maybe stick with Disney Star Wars
Andor makes for better revolutionary larp wank material than CP77, anyways.

>>718030414
>Corporations are the ultimate stage of economic organization
No they're not, they're the end stage of late capitalism and cartel corruption.
Armies are the REAL peak of economic organization.

>Germany nearly won that war with far less manpower btw
Fucking economists TO THIS DAY try to deny this.

>>718030483
Yeah our reality is more like Brazil.
Worse than a totalitarian nightmare at times.

>>718030525
>the funny part about silverhand is that he'd probably have a field day with you theater kid faggots.
I've broken up knife fights at gigs so we're not that far apart I guess, for now.

>>718032890
lmao your 1000 years reich lost to an industrial/commercial powerhouse you faggot
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/edc5GA1irN4?feature=share

>>718030525
>You will just remain as gay as you are and consume the same slop over and over and over again.
Mainly because it's >>718032959 or MGS in practice because the economy is so heavily invested in the MIC to the point where citizens lose their freedoms and liberties. Worse than CP77 in many many ways. Far worse.

In CP77 the population isn't being genocided in gross and wilful negligence for mere vaccine/disease experimentation at least and quarantined at gunpoint.
Oh wait I think it is in some ways, just not universally like our reality.
Yeah this is the problem, it's hard to enjoy cyberpunk now we live in Unit 731, courtesy of the military industrial complex and the increasing involvement of pharma-technocrats.

>>718033076
>lmao your 1000 years reich lost to an industrial/commercial powerhouse you faggot
pfft, I wish, maybe their sleeper agents wouldn't have genocided my family.
Death to the EU and Germany.

Reminder that most of pharma have literal links to nazi Germany. Sleeper agents.

Bet that fucking spooked your glownigger asses.

>>718022097
Which other games let you do that?

>>718022541
You can't do this anymore. Now most of your hacks are traceable and you have to manage the trace progress.

>>718037102
And what does that entail? Does it prevent you from hacking from outside the building and jumping from camera to camera and cleaning house?

>>718037102
You can Memory Wipe someone and then all hacks in the queue afterwards are untraceable.