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> the company revealed that it had begun full-scale development of the new engine in 2019, with a re-boot happening in 2020. Assembling a team of over 50 engineers headed by former Ubisoft and Square Enix technical director Julien Mercenon as CTO, Bandai Namco Studios set out to build an engine capable of large-scale development, including open-world games.

Julien Merceron was behind MGSV's Fox engine. We're so back bros.

https://automaton-media.com/en/news/bandai-namco-is-still-working-on-new-in-house-game-engine-update-reveals/

Good news but we will only see the fruits of this labor in 4-5 years. Meanwhile enjoy UE5 slop fest.

>>718026184 (OP)
Fox Engine was the best. Sad it is left to rot.

>>718026282
just in time for tekken 9

>>718026184 (OP)
>>718026282
the launch title for the engine will be a brand new tales games. until its ready, they're remastering the tales games. the xillia games are next btw.

can't wait to play all 3 games that will use it

>>718026282
Not sure, some Bandai Namco games already used some kind of internal engine (the ones that they made for Nintendo so Smash bros, Pokken and I think Pokemon Snap).
This might have been an early fork of it.
But yeah you're probably right.

>>718026417
I'm honestly surprised Namco hasn't struck gold with the Genshin\Wuthering Waves but Tales clone.

>>718026184 (OP)
>build an engine capable of large-scale development, including open-world games
so the points they are highlighting are the ability to outsource efficiently and produce open world slop
how lovely

>>718026293
Why didn’t Konami use it for other games?
Was it just to spite Kojimbo?
The investment was already made and MGSV ran well even on potato pcs

>>718026417
there's no way the tales drought will last until 2029

>>718026696
Given they tried to spawn that Metal Gear Survivor after Kojumba departure. I think Kojambles wasn't the only guy fired at that time, they lost the entire team that had know how on how to do games in general. After they noticed this issue went for the pachinko shit for a while. Now they decided once again to rebuild their gaming division with Silent Hill stuff.

>>718026696
When Kojima left, some key developpers followed him at Kojima Productions. Merceron quit out of respect since Kojima was the one who personally contacted him and gave him the lead graphics engineer role and went to Bamco.
And without the staff knowing how to use the engine, it's no use (see what happened with Forspoken when most of the Luminous Engine team dipped when Tabata was fired)

>>718026704
they're aiming for a remaster each year. last year was graces f. this year is xillia. next year could be possibly abyss or legendia.

>>718026184 (OP)
I could have sworn that harada said at one point that tekken 8 was supposed to be one of the first games to use it back during tekken 7

>>718026696
fox engine was used for a couple of PES soccer games then they switched to unreal engine and got slammed hardcore for it

>>718027216
Namco had to switch to Unreal because their own internal engine was facing issues/delays. Tales of Arise is a big example how they had scale back from open world to the linear Unreal game it is.

>>718026879
>>718027096
Thanks anons, I'd forgotten how many folks left with Kojumbo
It’s a real shame
I did think it was neat that Metal Gear Survive had some references to the team

>>718026696
All of the it's programmers were fired or went to Kojima Productions and Bandai Namco.

>>718026184 (OP)
honestly, thank god, EU5 fucking sucks

>>718026184 (OP)
Nice. Can't wait for RE Engine 2.0!

I wish Idtech and Cryengine were spread again

>>718026184 (OP)
i better see a fixed klonoa remaster this time

>>718026184 (OP)
This been known for years OP Bandai said they work on own engine back in 2021. They also at same time work on some big AAA new IP that will be using that engine and Harada is executive producer on that project.

>>718026184 (OP)
Capcom is also progressing their REX Engine. It should be ready by PS6 launch.

What is currently the best propriety game engine?

>>718028235
i wish too anon, but modern gaming have become and endless spam of temporal jobs of 3 years at most, when you cant retain a work forced there is no point of creating your in house engine even less teaching people how to use it, that’s why almost all westers studios are moving to EU5, because is easier to contract some person in Indonesia to do the work than to keep people with the experience necessary to use personal engines.

>>718028505
Decima and nothing comes even close.

>>718028505
That's kinda of subjective. Best at what? There's different components to a engine.

>>718028505
it depends, for regular tunnel shooter i will say RE engine is amazing, but it shits itself with open worlds, for open world i would go with cryengine which seems to run very well open worlds, but it demands a bit more for the pc, EU5 is like the worst at the moment, it just runs horrible compared to EU4, and unity was ok for small budged game, but since it decides to shoot itself on the foot I have no idea who will keep using it.

>>718026696
Because all of the team that work on fox engine left with Kojimbo, talk about loyalty to the man

>>718028505
Hitman’s

>>718026184 (OP)
Huge mistake. Unreal and Unity are proven and effective, and any in-house engine is likely to be buggy and underpreform.

>>718026184 (OP)
Hard to care with the way Scamco goes out of its way to scam people.

>>718029018
Unreal is why Tales of Arise sucked so bad.

>>718028235
>Cryengine
god no

>>718026696
>Why didn’t Konami use it for other games?
Because the engine team respected Kojimbo more than Keknami.

Keknami only used it for PES (and the "Metal Gear" Zombie game, that [Everyone Disliked That].jpg'd), and then went Unreal Engine Sloppa like everyone else.

Honestly, they should just give the Fox Engine to Kojimbo, out of respect for the amount of money he got them.

>>718028812
No it isn't.
>>718028837
None of those engines have a single game of the quality of Death Stranding 2 or Horizon. The sheer quality of the lighting, materials, foliage and best of all, the performance. There is no engine with games that look anywhere near as good as anything made on Decima and let alone running at solid 60fps on console-tier hardware. Not to mention Death Stranding 2 blows the fuck out of anything even modded and maxed out on PC.

>>718028235
Doom/Quake (fuck calling it "iD Tech") engines died when Carmack left. Let it go, anon.

>>718028505
Whatever TOTK uses if it wasn't stuck on an underpowered hardware
If you want the worst one, that's Koei garbage engine, Katana I think

>>718028505
Decima.
You can (deservedly) shit on Horizon's character design but the games are beautiful and most importantly, optimized. Didn't played Death Stranding yet but the games must be beautiful too.

>>718029249
>>718029393
Decima is ass on PC. Its good on PS5 pro .different graphcis apis.

>>718028745
Thinking on it, I agree. Kojima basically has Fox 2.0 with it. Whoever is in charge at Guriella needs a raise because of the black magic in that.

>>718029419
>Decima is ass on PC
Your PC must be ass or full of bloat

>>718029385
Team Ninja doesnt know how to use Katana lmao. Dynasty Warriors Origins runs well and looks well too considering how many models there are on screen at same time.

>>718029419
>Decima is ass on PC
Bro, upgrade from your 970 bro?

>>718029571
That's their own fucking engine you'd hope they know how to use it well
Nioh 3 looks worse than 2 and runs much worse as well on better hardware

>>718029703
Yeah thats why I said lmao. Its geniuenly retarded how well Origins runs in comparison to Team Ninja games. There is some magician inside Omega Force or Team Ninja do not know what the actual fuck they're doing.

>>718026184 (OP)
I hope it isn't shit and succeeds. I don't really play Bandai games though, I seriously think the PS2 .hack games were the last.

>>718026184 (OP)
Just give me bare feet that don't look like shit in the next Tekken game, that's all I care about; because the feet in T8 are fucking atrocious and 7's were lightyears better despite being on an older engine by devs who were still learning the ropes on it. Fucking embarrassing

>>718029886
FE Three Hopes on Switch ran way better than FETH despite having way more units on screen. Really wondering what's going on at this company , feels like you have departments full of clowns and departments full of senior members.

>>718030087
Bandai are kings of Japanese AA shovelware. They can shit out SpicBallZ asset flip at any moment and sell 10 million copies.

>>718028745
crazy that if kojima wasn't fired that shit would be wasted in the horizon slop games

>>718028505
Depends what you want you the engine to do but i believe technically nothing comes close to RAGE

>>718026184 (OP)
Best decision made.

>>718029249
i have yet to play death stranding, so i will take your word.

>>718026586
arise was basically that and it flopped
by now it's not the time to release shit like that anymore because the gachaslop bubble popped, they should just return to the pre-arise formula

>>718030391
Another sheep, mindlessly following the "UE bad" bullshit with no explanations whatsoever

>>718030720
UE bad

>>718028505
ID Tech 8. ID Tech has always been the best engine and will always be the best. The release source code every few revisions and when they do every engine on the market gets a sudden upgrade from merging the changes. All modern engines are derivatives of it and it runs better than all the forks. Sorry that's just how it is.

>>718029249
It looks nice, but does allow for anything interesting gameplay wise?

>>718030720
We could maybe use some explanations as to why it is bad, but the fact that it's bad can be simply observed.

>>718030787
What the actual fuck are you talking about. Last time ID released code to ID Tech was to IDTech 4 back in 2010 lol.

>>718026282
Homie is Bamco, when the fuck have they not shit the bed with any game they make? There will be no fruit.

>>718028505
Creation Engine.

>>718026696
If you didn't notice Konami basically stopped making games when Kojima got fired

>>718026184 (OP)
Tim Sweeney on suicide watch.

>>718031630
I don't think so.

Proprietary engines are so sovlful, just look at Warframe. Shit looks AMAZING and runs on a potato.

>>718026184 (OP)
>ex Ubisoft
Grim
>ex Square Enix
It's over...

>>718028505
Whatever Monolith Software touches.

Dark magicians.

>>718032978
XCX really impressed me on Switch. Weird that it looks better than 2/3 (ignoring the different art dir)

>>718032665
>money
typical non gamer take

>>718032978
they have lost their touch with xenoblade 2 & 3, i hope they regain it with their new xenoblade

>>718028505
Creation Engine 2.

>>718028235
>RenderWare will never make a comeback because EA went full jew in the early days trying to corner the market with it
Just one of their many crimes against vidya at this point.

>>718028505
The one that Taleworlds uses for Bonerlord. The game still sucks ass but no one else can render that many units onscreen from the ground level like they can. With a strong enough battle potato you can have two forces circle strafing each other numbering in the tens of thousands while still being capable of not eating shit or tripping up on their own feet. For the most part at least if you don't box them into ravines and cliff faces.

>>718030720
Optimize your game sar

>>718028505
Lunchpack (TotK), Evolution Engine(Warframe), RE Engine (when applied correctly)

And they cry that making games is expensive. I wonder how many thousands of engineering hours were spent because of NIH syndrome in the game industry. A Blender equivalent for game engines is needed, badly.

>>718029318
the reason of why 2016 and eternal were retardly optimized was because they hired the Cryengine devs to work on it and to run even on toasters.

>>718026184 (OP)
I was wondering what took them so long. Haven't heard any news about it in years now. Then again I suppose it's the nature of developing game engines.

>>718028505
How has no one said the RAGE (Rockstar) game engine yet? That shit is still far above most other engines, and we haven't even seen it used since 2018. GTA 6 will be on a whole other level.

>>718029595
I was told pc parts last multiple console gens making pc cheaper. You're saying they LIED?

>>718028505
RAGE And DECIMA
Every other engine isn't quite up there yet.

>>718026184 (OP)
Whats the point if their game are still trash

>>718026184 (OP)
WHERE THE FUCK IS THE TALES REMAKE ANNOUNCEMENT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN THIS SUMMER

>>718037872
>DECIMA

>>718026184 (OP)
>Play vidya for years now
>Never run into games with "pop-up" textures and models so horridly until I started playing UE shit

Why is this shit a thing and WHY do developers use it if if clearly has that issue, playin FFVII Rebirth atm and that shit wasn't there in Remake on PS4, what the fuck is their problem? It's like they don't give a fuck about optimization nowadays.

I'm sure THIS time they'll make an engine that's maintainable and extensible, instead of dumping it in a console generation. Surely. Hope they fucking bankrupt.

>>718038092
>Why is this shit a thing
Mostly because of rushed dev cycles.
>WHY do developers use it if if clearly has that issue
Because most studios don't have enough money to also have a dedicated Game Engine engineer team. Not only that but if you allow your gameplay programmers to work on the Engine to begin with, then your game isn't getting made.
Gameplay Programming and Engine programming are two different things, and by outsourcing the Engine part to another team (like UE or Unity) you can pretty much bypass a large chunk of your problems and handle them to someone else.

I'm not saying it should be this way but, this is what you get with a hyper competitive market that is afraid to be left behind.

That's cool. Tekken 6 is best Tekken, by the way.

>>718038261
It fucking sucks, because, unlike older games, they TRIED to mask things in a soulful way (RE Loading doors, Silent Hill fog or just how they designed the enviroment), or in worst case scenario, 3D objects would start to fade int as you got close to them now they just don't give a shit "Yeah, the player will see shit pop in an instant, we don't care".

>>718028505
Northlight (Remedy), Decima, REengine, RAGE, Glacier (Hitman), and The Dragon Engine. All of these engines excel at different things but all of them can do cool stuff that Unreal can't.

>>718037743
>I was told pc parts last multiple console gens making pc cheaper
Not since consoles started achieving parity with the a/v/erage PC build this gen.

>>718038403
I do agree with you but sadly feels like nowadays people really don't care about "soulful solutions" because they are too busy getting hyped over DLSS or whatever new tech comes around. And the bare minimum requirements a lot of these games have are pretty insane now, you need to have all the latest and cool tech otherwise your game is going filter a large portion of people playing it

>>718027112
I had no idea Graces was remastered. How does it compare? Better than emulated or should I stick with the PS3 version with the patches?

ue5 superpower

>>718026184 (OP)
God I love Jun so much. Why couldn't I have been born in Japan?!

If any Japanese anon reads this, please start having more sex in order to raise the RNG chances of being born in Japan, arigato.

>>718026282
F

>>718026184 (OP)
New engine means jack shit if you have to spend half a decade training the staff to work on it just to use it for few years. Tekken also has mediocre character modelers and a new engine won't change that.

>>718026293
Fox engine was completely mediocre and worse than UE3-4 at everything

what's wrong with using unity, though?

>>718043682
Nothing, but most devs don't bother learning how to actually use the engine and optimize their games for that particular engine

That's cool. I hope and pray it's good.

>>718027096
Honestly this same shit happened with Halo's Blam engine, which continued on not only to Infinite despite the Slipspace rebranding, but Destiny all the way through to Marathon. Most of the talent that knew Blam left 343 so all those new contractor hires stuck on for 18 months had to learn a proprietary engine from the ground up, understand other people's bullshit in using it, then get rotated out for repeating the process. It's not much wonder amidst their rebranding that they swapped out for Unreal Engine 5.

Meanwhile whatever the fuck is happening to Bungie's murder now with being maimed into a support studio likely inclines that whatever talent left with their branch of the engine isn't going to be sticking around much longer either at this rate, so I simply can't imagine much new stuff continuing for long, or Marathon getting back up off the ground after that disaster, not without a severe mutilation. Proprietary engines are an absolute nightmare risk in today's day and age with so many publicly accessible engines, and the potential brain drain that can leave projects floundering about.

>>718029703
>Nioh 3 looks worse than 2
blind

>>718043682
You need to pay the unity company

>>718028505
UE4 or UE5.
Players basically get to mod and fix their game however they want.
It's much better than the lazy devs doing nothing and telling you to deal with it every fucking time something goes wrong.
Poeple saying custom engines are better are fucking delusional, and most of them are just stuck with outdated hardware that can barely run the PS4 era DX11 games.

>>718032665
They only make shitty Yugioh-Card/Pawa-puro gachas if you didn't know.

>>718026282
Goods news but nothing anon.

>>718026696
They didn't make any other games except soccer slop.

>>718026184 (OP)
bro these fucking idiots can't even make a good game and they want to try competing with renowned engines from the technical first world

all I'm saying is if capcom still can't do it after years and years and gaping their ass for technical support from foreign contracts you just know bamco could never manage it

>>718027096
but /v/ told me Kojimbo is a dumb ass and a narcissist which I kinda agree with, why did them staffs love him so much, to even quit the company and follow him?

>>718026184 (OP)
Cum inside Jun

>>718026184 (OP)
Badass. Can we get a new Ridge Racer to celebrate?

>>718026184 (OP)
>large scale development of open world games
>let's hire the guy behind "12 enemies max or the engine's fucked" Engine

They've been working on this for 5 years already. Oh well can't be worse than RE Engine.

why is unreal bad?

>stutter, pop-in, 2 fps
good devs can account for this and load shaders at startup and disable shit like nanite

>>718026184 (OP)
If that new engine turns out good, it'd be good if they licensed it to other devs, just as UE and Unity. More competition = better.

>>718026184 (OP)
>bandai namco
>capable coders in any shape or form
>able to build their own inhouse engine
>thinking having a single stakeholder that worked on another shit engine will help

Must be nice to have that much free space inside your cranium, I bet you never get headaches

>>718030270
Instead it's wasted on walking simulators.

>>718028505
RAGE
Decima
Glacier 2
Source 2 (2 more weeks)

>>718028505
Decima, probably, every single Decima game runs well.

>>718055918
Every game I played that had a UE4 release and a UE5 sequel was objectively a downgrade in terms of performance and visuals.

>>718056406
smooth 30fps cutscenes on a single player walk sim?
those are not real games, you know?

>>718056432
nobody gives a fuck about your favorite indie trash.

maybe that's why Ace Combat 8 is taking so long.

>>718056772
Project Aces are comitted in their UE5 dependency. AC8 took too long because they just started development like 2022 or something.

>>718026586
Arise was supposed to be in-field combat initially. They also could have done that with SAO FD but they took a really fucking weird update approach when they could easily reuse a lot of Fatal Bullet assets and upgrade the assets from the old games.

>>718028505
>sonygros saying some noname console engine
It's id Software's stuff, they are the best by far.

>>718026184 (OP)
>Bandai Namco might actually save AAA game development
Weirdest timeline.

>>718026184 (OP)
>2019
>re-booted
>Still working
I bet the history will repeat itself, some old japanese suit will be assblasted after a quarterly report and will cancel it, this time without releasing MGS5

>>718026184 (OP)
Oh wow Bamco is really anti-semitic.

>>718043682
It's fine if you don't mind getting assfucked by surprise fees.

>>718048420
UE5 is a shit tier engine created to cater to the lowest common denominator of software developer, with a shit ton of performance-sucking abstractions active at runtime to simplify and streamline the devtime experience. Basically, it's the poster-child of cost-cutting.

>>718060827
Everything has the same soulless look as well.

>>718038987
The remaster is 120+fps (unlocked fps) on PC along with various QoL additions like Vesperia remaster. So it's the best way to play it. It also seems to be running ontop of Unity Engine so it's mod friendly.

Maybe we'll get a new Soul Calibur on the new engine Probably not but I still like to dream

So when are we getting God Eater 4?

>>718054082
Don't mind if I do

>>718060827
UE5 primary purpose is movie cgi, most of its features are tailor made for that.

>>718026184 (OP)
I always said japs should enslave some wypipl for engine development.
Even if you can pay 2 japs or 10 indians for the same wage, this was never fruitful

>>718027096
Forspoken wasn't an engine problem, surely there was nobody passionate about that esg grift. As much shit you can give SQ, there are still one of the better looking jap games with decent performance.

>>718026879
>rebuild their gaming division
It never left, konami shifted their focus to make Japan only games like PowerPro and Momotetsu
>With Silent Hill stuff.
All of silent hill stuff are outsourced

>>718029147
elaborate

>>718028505
depends on the priorities. Nobody here knows how easy it is to work with and how versatile those are.
Overall...UE. There is a reason CDPR is moving over to it. Performance issues is a small price to pay everything else considered

>>718026184 (OP)
Crapcom did that and now we get dogshit like DD2 and MHWilds

>>718066684
>DD2 and MHWilds
They were morons that tried to force an engine made for linear corridors to do "open" worlds.

>>718066684
>>718067990
MT framework was the right way to go, they just fumbled the ball.

>>718028505
Creation and only shitters disagree

>>718028505
frostbite 3