Thread 718033453

Wow...really makes me think

She's right. Quit feeling sorry for yourself and looking for excuses to not do things.

If the rumors of the 13 trilogy is actually true id be willing to give 13 another try just for the music.
13-2 and LR are also actually pretty good games that hardly any one played due to its connection with 13 and Lighting.
LR is unironically a top tier FF game, my expectations were actually blown away with how good the gameplay was.

>>718033453 (OP)
DESTINY IS DESTINY

>>718033928
this, all that wasted time from over planning
>>718034647
with slightly less above 90iq writers it would be good enough

>>718034647
don't expect anything beyond ports with minor gameplay changes

>>718034712
It will never amaze me that Square Enix put a lot of time into creating Fabula Nova Crystallis which would've been a new set of lore for the whole FF IP and they botched 13 with its annoying characters and bad exposition that it nearly killed the franchise.

To this day 13 botched release is still felt

>>718033453 (OP)
Isn't that just a barely retooled Yoda quote

>>718033453 (OP)
true
thats why lightning is incapable of being a good game protagonist

>>718035206
What I find funnier is how the project lead waifu'd Lightning so hard he didn't even care and basically ignored all criticism.

>>718033453 (OP)
Guys, you gotta understand.
Square Enix just HAD to produce blunders for the past decade. They HAD to fuck up their mainline franchise. They HAD to ignore your feedback and hire woke consultants to ruin everything about their games.
They HAD to focus their strategy at pleasing shareholders while completely ignoring their playerbase.
They HAD to.

>WTF THIS GAME IS A CORRIDOR WHERE ARE DA TOWNS AND CITYS?
15 years later
>WTF Y DOES THIS GAME HAVE A EXPANSIVE WORLD MAP FULL OF TOWNS AND CITYS
FF "fans" need to pick a lane and stay in it.

>>718035920
The problem with 13 for me was never the corridor. Once you hit Gran Pulse the game opens up a lot and you even have missions to do to keep you engaged and progressing.
But eventually the missions lead you to a literal fucking dead end. The game's core systems do not compliment each other.
All of the fucking budget went to Lightning's non-existent ASS.

That's my problem with 13. The game lacked a lot to round it out. The fact that it had a corridor for a story was not the problem for me. The visuals were great and still are to this day.
It's the gameplay's core systems such as the shop and upgrading and mission cieth stones that needed more work to really flesh them out.

>>718034647
About 40 percent through LR, I dont know if it would call it a top tier game so far. It is however really ambitious with a lot of cool mechanics. The sidequests mostly boring but things like the time limit and monster extinction mechanics are neat. Definitely worth playing. 13 2 is legitimately a very good game with possibly a better soundtrack than 13. Story is a bit rough however

>>718036342
13-2 had its moments definitely. The story was the worst part about it. Matsuda should have realized he's not a world-class story-teller after this game.
The trilogy getting a remaster has me really weary.
Square Enix as a company is washed. They're incompetent. I don't expect anything and I think they'll still let us down.
They simply don't learn from their mistakes.
They're too fucking stupid to learn.

What a shame to waste such an excellent design on such a crappy character and game.

>>718036459
I think a big problem is how much of the story exists in supplemental material. The sequel entries feel like an entire games plot is missing from them or in between them, and it causes whiplash with how different each game is. I didn't realize that they never explained why snow had a l'cie brand again in 2 until after I finished it and found out he got it from a cactuar fal'cie in a side story which is goofy as hell

>>718033453 (OP)
>becomes french
HON HON HON

>>718033928
That quote was Lightning being stubborn and pig headed. She was leading Hope down the path of revenge and making him ignore, rather than confront, his fears.

>>718033453 (OP)
all i want is a version of 13-2 that just werks

this has been sitting in my backlog for years. i hated 13 but picked up returns on a whim. is it any good?

>>718037543
Yeah, you kind of need to play FF13 2 to know wtf is going on because the entire plot of both games tie into it as a send off to the series.

>>718035720
>They HAD to ignore your feedback
You can accuse SE of everything except that.
>People demand FFVII again
>make XIII, a game that is aesthetically derivative of VII to the point where Lightning is nicknamed "Female Cloud"
>everyone hates it

>people hate your new MMORPG
>literally cancel it and spend years redoing it

>everyone hates the stories of the last few games but loves the story of XIV
>get the XIV staff to make XVI
>everyone hates it

>>718033453 (OP)
Sage

>>718033928
PREACH FELLOW TESTOSTERONE WARRIOR! MENTAL HEALTH DOESN’T EXIST, PEOPLE WHO KILL THEMSELVES ARE WEAK COWARDLY BITCHES, IT’S EITHER DO OR GET OUT OF MY WAY!
OH DON’T FORGET, THE LOCAL RAM DEALERSHIP IS HAVING THEIR PUNISHER SKULL GRUNT STYLE SALE SO YOU CAN OWN THE SMALL-CAR PEASANTS!

i like sera but never played the game

>>718038241
Anon if SE listened to Feedback they wouldn't have FFXIV burning to the fucking ground right now. They wouldn't have made 16 a fucking blunder that it is. They would have stuck to turn-based combat if they even tried to listen to what people wanted.
They have nobody to blame but themselves. You're taking a small minority of retards and equating them to what SE was already thinking of doing.
The consumer always knows what they want. SE thinks they're way smarter than they are.

>>718039315
This. If SE was smart (which they're clearly not), they would've given us a Dissidia Duodecim HD a longass time ago.

>>718033453 (OP)
Literally self-referential garbage lol

>>718034647
I never playex 13-3 but since you are saying 13-2 is a good game, you basically confirmed that you are full of shit.

>>718039315
>The consumer always knows what they want.
You're speaking on the franchise that invented ATB.

>>718034647
>XIII-2
>good
No, the game that stripped out a bunch of mechanics, has a retarded plot filled with plot holes, and locked old party members and the true end behind DLC is not good. Fantastic ost though.

>>718039657
Lightning Returns is actually pretty good. Time limit is a deal breaker for some people and the story is kind of ass, but I found it fun regardless.

>>718033453 (OP)
Lightning and her games are the worst things to happen to the Final Fantasy IP, bar none. Completely killed any and all interest until they finally decided to move on.
Still in disbelief that there are people defending and even praising this when the ending to the trilogy is: "and then Lightning became a real woman and moved to Paris to become a model."

I enjoyed 13-2 despite its flaws. It was the last non-MMO FF I played that I enjoyed.

>>718039691
ATB isn't even their biggest sin: It's cinematic gameplay. Thank you FF4 for starting that bullshit.

>>718033453 (OP)
worst FF ever made

>>718034647
The best part about the 13 remake is knowing how it'll sell even shittier than 7rebirth or 16. It isn't an unknown new final fantasy everyone knows it sucks, the remasters will finally give us the garbage numbers this garbage game always deserved. Cannot wait for it to release and everyone who loves it to kill themselves

>>718033453 (OP)
I'll play a remaster if they add an official naked Lightning option.

>>718039927
It fixes a LOT of the design problems that 13 had, regarding side quests and explorable areas and the 15 hour combat tutorial and the story being told out of chronological order (hugely ironic for a time travel game).
I think the best play order is 2 > 1 > 3. 2 first so you can get into the simplified combat system right away and explore, then one so you can get the story of how things got to where they were in 2 but with more background understanding, and enjoy the combat system at it's peak, and then 3 to wrap things up and get "town exploration" and more side quests and a fun and unique battle system.

>>718038241
XVI was a product of all the "extra" talent on XIV and everyone they could cut loose from endwalker after it released to try and polish a turd conceived by staff that had been uninvolved with the game for almost a decade

>>718040278
> and everyone who loves it

>>718033453 (OP)
basically just "do it or die trying" reworded

>bro gran pulse
>hallways gain a couple of pounds

>>718033453 (OP)
Do, or do not. There is no try because every single thing is a fucking mistake.

>>718034647
LR's gameplay is kinda fun but I don't like global timers in games and it's so transparently low budget.

>>718041229
There's tens of people who love it and they will seethe forever when their flat assed darling finally fails forever

>>718035920
Rebirth was so damn good with the towns and regions. But bad faith shitposters just spammed the same webms and black people screenshots lol.

>>718033453 (OP)
She quoting yoda? Disney sue this twitter post.

>>718041229
kek