Thread 718038259

genuinely the worst class.

>>718038259 (OP)
Yes.
>only played by queers and furries
>entire class revolves around holding m1 and spamming explosive flares
>the only skill you have to learn is how to right click on rockets
Everyone that plays pyro is trash at the game.

spy deserves more counters to pyro he takes far more skill, dedication, brain functionality besides pressing m1, and is more fun being a stealth class for a multiplayer game

>>718038385
i wish every tranny on tf2 would mass rope themselves

I loved playing a sneaky axe murderer.
>Whichever flamer it was that reduced weapon swap time
>Shotgun
>Default axe

>be sneaky
>chop chop chop
>airblast and flee if things go south
hell yeah

>>718038452
they genuinely make the game so much worse.

the last game i was in i was playing against a furry trans person who jerks off to skunk fart porn.

>>718038385
Why do furries always play the pyro in games, same thing with killing floor 1 and 2

>>718039170
Weirdos imagine that Pyro is some hefty woman or man so they latch onto him. I never understood the appeal because he's definitely some weird looking motherfucker under the mask.

>>718039170
>>718039320

well for pyro specifically
>low skill class, furries are trash at video games
>pyro is technically "genderless and faceless" so you can project whatever tranny fetish shit you want onto him (even though its obvious he is a biological man)
>pyro has a bunch of furry cosmetics
>not only is pyro low skill but pyro is also fucking annoying as shit, and furries love to annoy people and be downright awful.

>>718039397
It's easy for their corrupt, dying brain to play a character that takes low effort.
It also applies to their mindset of being genderless, they have so little spine that they are genderless and like to gendersway.
But, what conflicts with this spineless attitude is their "keyboard warrior" esque mindset, where they will go out of their way to defend their thought process, even if they are wrong.

I have 4k hours on pyro

>>718038259 (OP)
...not!

Imagine being so bad at the game you genuinely complain about Pyro being too strong when he get outmatched at short range by non-combat classes.

>>718038259 (OP)
Probably, but I enjoy playing him. I remember when he wasn't the "furries and faggots play this guy" class but the "kids play this guy" class

>>718039397
>You are playing 2fort, in a somewhat empty server. Stuck at a 4v5, a peculiar fellow joins the server named "Pixie the Fempyro Dragon", and you decide to play Soldier. You run into the BLU base, and steal their intel. "I'm doing it! I'm gonna cap the intel!" you think, blasting your way to victory, when all of the sudden an enemy pyro turns the corner. His degreaser is aimed at you, and he's got an unusual pink Brigade Helm with orbiting hearts. You fire a rocket, and you see the crimson lightning fly out of your launcher. It's a random crit! The pyro is done for! But all of the sudden, the pyro DEFLECTS the rocket, dealing a lethal blow to you. And in the killcam you see them do the Gas Blast taunt introduced in the Pyro Update, and a message appears in chat. Pixie the Fempyro Dragon: Oowpsie!!!! :3 I made a big stinky OwO You do not understand. You try to respond but your hands are paralyzed. A singular droplet of cold sweat streams down your nose. Your confusion turns into terror as you glance at their profile picture, which is a BBW-futa anthro fox. Your face turns red. White spittle is coming out of the corners of your mouth. You try to spam your lenny face bind but you simply cannot. The terror fades away, and what remains is a sense of existential dread. Nothingness. You give up on even trying to move out of spawn. Hours pass, days pass, and weeks pass. Engineers passing by on their way to the Intelligence would tell stories of you. "Say, Dell, you see that stone-faced fella at resupply?" "Why I have, Buck. What's up with him?" "Why I reckon he one of them AFK types." The Engineers try to unravel the mystery, but never come close. The secret remains buried inside of you, burning at your very core. As the Engineers, Snipers, and Demomen of Teufort leave, you are all that remains of the server. Your legacy is merely a whisper in the wind.

>>718038259 (OP)
I'M THE WOMAN HERE, MAGGOT

>people used to complain about this class before he even had airblast.
cant take any complaints about him seriously ever since.

>>718040957
IF YOURE TOO SICK FOR CRIT ROCKETS YOURE TOO SICK TO CAPTURE *MY* POINT

>>718038259 (OP)
I couldn't give less of a shit about Pyro if not for the fact that airblast is dumb but necessary.
>>718040386
I will also readily and happily fap to Fempyro.

>>718041175
Crit kek

>>718041191
Airblast is dumb how so?

>>718039170
>same thing with killing floor 1 and 2
do they really? i just like firebug because i like flame throwers, mass area denial and dealing with a lot of low tier enemies

>>718038410
Spy is an extremely powerful class, given that he not only has the abilities to disguise, turn invisible, and to literally cheat death, but also has the single most powerful attack in the entire game. i.e. can instantly kill any non-ubered player with any amount of health in one hit. The high skill requirement is itself the balance. If you make spy any easier or any more powerful, the game is unplayable. Afterburn has already been nerfed a bunch to the spy's benefit.

>>718041295
Hitboxes 'n shiet.
Just the source engine generally being a bit jank sometimes. Nothing really wrong with it.

>>718041117
Surely no one was that pathetic? At best I could maybe buy spies not liking him.

Even looking at the pyro update it's fucking stupid though. 225 hp backburner pyros lasted one month. After that point people were screaming "w+m1" over an update that literally gave pyro use for his m2.

>>718041360
Spy is only powerful against shitters. Once you develop gamesense spy is the cuck class, who occasionally pulls off a meme stab unless they cranked up their interp

>>718041497
>After that point people were screaming "w+m1" over an update that literally gave pyro use for his m2.
I fucking know dude.

>That demoman is a NEGA!
>G+2

>>718041360
Give spy a hoverboard instead of a cloak.

>>718038259 (OP)
degreaser detonator axtinguisher is a kino loadout

>>718041497
Ironically, W+M1 is really a shitter complaint because it's just really bad for Pyro as it often involve running into the enemy team, who are going to fucking delete you before your flamethrower does any real damage.
I spent an entire day playing with the phlog, and it's insane how easy it is to just get denied with that thing. Even if you survive filling the phlog meter, guaranteed flamethrower crits are fucking useless when the enemy can just kill you by keeping its distance. Against a decent team, it's just useful to pick off people turning around a corner.

>>718038259 (OP)
Whenever I want to play TF2 but I don't actually want to do anything, I load up the most popular 2fort community server and play as Pyro solely so I could spam the Scorchshot across the map to the enemy team's sniper spots.
I'll keep doing this until they leave or switch off of sniper, by which then I'd then switch to Spy and then sneak into the enemy intelligence and capture it but just do the default taunt until they kill me, repeating until I notice another sniper.

>>718041724
used to be. didn't they nerf the axe?

>>718041803
Not to mention this is the old flamethrower particles that actually caused you to do far less damage when running forwards. Literally one of the easiest way of beating enemy pyros as pyro used to be holding s+m1 when they held w+m1 because backpedalling while firing did far more damage.

>>718042020
It's still good. Powerjack is better but if you're playing pyro you're already aren't interested in playing the meta.

I used to play a lot of pyro but since I learned that the Scottish resistance isn't the only sticky bomb launcher I've been playing a lot of demoman

>>718039063
Last night I got into a lobby with some troonytune who got butthurt at someone on the other team having a racist pfp and a loose cannon named some dumb racist shit and begged the enemy team to votekick him, when someone on our team told him to STFU he tried to votekick him twice, after I told everyone to F2 he ragequit, but by then two of our payload checkpoints had gotten pushed because everyone was focused on the votekicking shit. Just fucking tiresome bullshit having to deal with these people in this game nowadays.

>>718038259 (OP)

I've learned time and time again: If you really, and I mean REALLY want to piss off people as pyro.... just approach and spam W+M2.

Relentlessly airblast them all over the place, they hate it.

>>718042841
I play a lot of soldier and pyro, and I love bullying inferior soldiers with m2.

>>718039170
You want the real answer? It's because he's barely a "human" character. By that, I mean that he's vaguely humanoid but you can't really tell for sure underneath the mask and of course, the cosmetics.
t. Non-furry Pyro main

And now he's here to fuck US!

>>718038259 (OP)
that's not engi

>>718040884
Alternatively, i have a shotgun.

>>718038259 (OP)
>>718038385
>>718038452
>>718039063
>>718042526
>woah cool gas mask
>woah cool fire
>big damage
>fun weapons
I hate that I can't play this class without feeling like a degenerate. When I was a kid, I thought Pyro was so cool, now I can't help but think of gay furries whenever I see him.

>>718043745
Furries will take a cool concept and make it the lamest, nastiest thing you can imagine
t. dragons, sharks

>>718038259 (OP)
Yes, but also the most fuckable.

God.. I miss the days of the late 00s.. logging into TF2 every night with all talk on on the community servers.

>>718038259 (OP)
you're seriously gimping yourself if you don't use the shotgun

>>718045365
You're seriously gimping yourself playing Pyro at all.

>>718045365
scorch shot is better in every way

>>718045552
Which makes killing non-pyros with that shotgun even more rewarding.

>>718045630
If you say so.

>>718040691
i started using the force a nature again and i genuinely feel bad for pyros. like i see a pyro now and i just
lol


lol

>degreaser
>flare gun
>powerjack

yep, it's gaming time at least it was before they nerfed it

>REEEE W+M1 NOOB
>REEEE PUFF N STING NOOB
I know the latter got nerfed long ago but still

>>718040884
It has been too many years since I read this.

Spy is

>>718039063
bet you lost to them too lol

>>718041534
>>718041360
If you've ever played against ***good*** spies, they are absolutely hell to play against and frequently feel like they beat you through exploits rather than by skill, even though it takes a lot of skill to pull off. But Spy's still the hardest to play and the weakest overall.

>>718042078
Man, I miss those old particles and the walk-back-to-win setup. Now they bug out with the particle lifetime damage shit half the time and you're better just wagglin' and wagglin' up close it seems like, and I still can't figure out how to properly corner peek sentries with it. Like you know how engies always build on the little courtyard shelf in 2fort? You used to be able to just look up at it and hit it with particles passing the lip of the floor but now they all just bounce off in your face unless you're actually in visible gun range.

>>718045901
Still is gaming time. Running around with the powerjack, sneaking up and flare punching people on 2fort is my go to past time.

>>718042113
powerjack is great because if you've resorted to melee you've probably done enough damage that you WILL crit a motherfucker and get a little bit of health back, and more importantly going faster is always fun and you can chase down both spies and medics with it even if they're facing away, and if they look back, you can see the fear in their eyes

>>718045365
>gimping
>Pyro
i get it

How do I go shiny as dental officer?

>>718046101
The Degreaser though... it's just not the same

>>718046225
I still use it purely so I can switch to my shotgun a bit more quickly.

>>718039063
so fvcking based...

>>718038259 (OP)
>mfw soldier and heavy are the only honest classes in TF2

>>718038259 (OP)
i play pyro because i hate soldier players and i cum big jizz when i kill them with their own rockets

>>718046225
You don't need it to be the same. Combos are perfectly doable even with stock, Degreaser just makes them stupidly easy.

Yeah but I still top score.
I wish the dragon's fury was at least as good as Pyro's secondaries.

>>718043479
genuinely if you aren't playing with gunboats why are you even playing soldier

>>718046518
>Soldier
>Corner spam
>Heavy
>curving bullets around corners
Nah. This game has no honest class.

>>718046672
You can't just have the close range class be good at close range, are you mad?
What next? The sniper being good at long range? Absolute nonsense!

>>718038259 (OP)
I used to like combo Pyro, but then it got nerfed. So now if I play Pyro its just to do Phlog + Scorch Shot and try and spawn camp.

>>718046672
Dragon's Fury is the dumbest fucking Pyro weapon in his arsenal.

thoughts on the Dragon's Fury? The one primary that actually requires aim?

>>718046801
It's pure shit

>>718046801
It's my least favorite primary of his, and I think people who use it are big dorks. I am sorry.

>>718046801
Absolute dogshit, and not just because it's broken beyond repair.

>>718046801
I feel obliged to use the scorchshot with it because of its gimmick requiring targets to actually be on fire properly, and at that point im just spamming scorch shot most of the match

>>718046801
>>718046758

>>718046705
Gunboats or not, If i'm gonna have less health than a Demo by the time i reach the frontlines, i might as well play Demo.

>>718046801
did you know that you can reflect dragon's fury shots, and do more damage to the enemy pyro from the mini crit than he could ever even do to you, and he still gets stuck with the refire time penalty? there's no reason to do this, because dragon's fury users are already so close to mass suicide, i just think it's interesting.

>>718046801
Of course its nerf was among the last things Valve did before fucking off from all balance changes forever. Pyro couldn't have one (1) good weapon in that entire update, just couldn't happen.

>>718046664
>Degreaser just makes them stupidly easy.
It still does, yes. I was away from the game for a few years when it was nerfed and honestly didn't even notice it once I returned.

the optimal engineer loadout? why, it's the panic attack, pistol, and jag, of course

>>718046801
Literally worse than all of his secondaries and there's no reason to equip it as a primary, and this even applies to before they nerfed it to have a near flare sized projectile.

>>718046705
To shoot rockets at feet and robots, mostly. I feel so naked without that shotgun.

>>718046705
The enemy has an annoying vaccinator medic and I want to see if he can juggle rocket and bullet resistances quick enough.

>>718046941
>Why is it [Direct Upgrade], The secondary everyone forgets is good because they think the wrangler is OP, and [The Thing you equip to upgrade teleporters at spawn]
You're bad at engie.

>>718047034
thats fair but my usual go-to for a vacc medic is to just go for market gardens since there's no escaping that shit

>>718046801
>what if we gave pyro a weapon that's just worst than every other flamethrowers in every single aspect with no actual benefit?
I swear whoever came up with it just hated pyro.

>>718047070
still top scoring, chud

>>718047083
Most of the Jungle Inferno update was designed by youtubers and compfags who thought pyro couldn't aim.
Which is hilarious because everyone was getting fried by 2x damage pyros and they though the dragon's fury was too overpowered because people could hit followups.
Of course the correct response to this would be returning flamethrower mechanics to their "pre fixed" state and not what they did now where it's wildly inconsistent.
and people STILL die to pyro despite doing like 1/4 damage half the time

>>718046801
Just another thing that fucks Engineer in 2 seconds after he's spent 60 meleeing buildings

>>718047284
>and people STILL die to pyro despite doing like 1/4 damage half the time
It's amazing really.
It takes a whooping 5 to 15 seconds to kill someone with a constant stream of the stock flamethrower because beside the "continuous damage" gimmick is broken and reset at random, a fucking engi can wipe you out in a 1v1 with his shotgun because it's a lot faster and reliable.
And people still seethe uncontrollably from dying to pyro.

>>718047475
They seethe because, deep down, they know they're bad at the video game.

>>718047475
>>718047545
I mean you kinda have to be bad for someone to hose you down for 15 seconds straight and you fail to kill them

>>718045987
thing is they're also on my team and have 8000 hours on the game because they don't go outside

no going outside = no vitamin d = hormone imbalance = mentally illness = delusions = tranny = suicide

>>718044450
that's why gatekeeping in communities needs to be more enforced so the filth isn't settled in like bacteria

>>718046801
>DF sucks
>Gas Passer is unanimously considered one of the worst weapons in the game
>Hot Hand is unanimously considered one of the worst weapons in the game
>Thermal Thruster is borderline shit
>Chadnana is unanimously considered one of the best weapons in the game
The "Pyro Update".

>>718047923
The banana is like the sandvich
Vastly Vastly overated because of people being stupid about shotgun heavies.

I love watching pyros panic when I switch up my rocket cadence. It's like playing chicken. Once you trick them once it's over, they just fall apart.

>>718047923
>Gas Passer is unanimously considered one of the worst weapons in the game
It still kills me that, of all the throwables in this fucking game, the Gas Passer is the only one that doesn't start filled up, and cannot be refilled in a supply cabinet.
There's absolutely no reason for it to be like that when the literal jar of piss that mini-crit, extinguish teammates and reveal spies isn't.

>>718048162
Let's be real, sniper has the best non-stock secondaries in the game for literally no reason.

>>718048160
>Walk up to a pyro with the classic out
>Watch them spam airblast 3 or 4 times
>Swap to shotgun
It's funny every fucking time

>>718039063
ANON STOP GET AWAY FROM YOUR \TEMP FOLDER

>>718048160
I love playing either side of that interaction. You can basically do the same thing to some soldiers as pyro by playing airblast chicken.

>>718047070
wrangler is good if you're actually using your sentry and get entrenched. the shield alone is worth the pistol tradeoff.

>>718045991
>If you've ever played against ***good*** spies, they are absolutely hell to play against and frequently feel like they beat you through exploits rather than by skill
no youre just a dumb nigger. take five minutes to learn how trickstabs work and you will never die to them again.

>>718048162
>Give up your shotgun or flare gun to gain the ability to light people on fire as Pyro
>Also you need to wait a full minute before you can use it

>internet is out
>play TF2 offline with bots
>spy frontstab me
THEY'RE LEARNING

Is this the thread

>>718038385
Trans Rights

>>718048147
The Banana makes a Medic almost unnecessary if you play smart with corners and ambushing.

>>718038259 (OP)
W + M1

>>718048579
And because you have to give up your secondary to use it, the only way to set doused enemies on fire when you don't have any teammate nearby is to use the flamethrower.
Truly the secondary of all time.

>>718048561
Stopping as a Spy rounds a corner then strafes back out 2 seconds later to stab at air and shooting him in his stupid French face literally never gets old.

>>718048561
ive literally been stabbed in the face looking right at a spy on flat ground as he runs straight at me, the game just sucks and rewards being brazllian with rng kills sometimes

>>718038259 (OP)
>degreaser, flare gun, backscratcher
>regular flare gun makes snipers rage, is truly more fun than any other pyro secondary
>backscratcher lets you restore almost any missing health with most med kits, combined with +25% damage makes it easy to stay alive after sneaking off alone behind enemy lines and picking a a part of the enemy base as your territory
>kill enough people that half the enemy team has to redirect their forces just to cornering you
I get he's low skill ceiling, but he's just so darn fun! And you WON'T stop me from playing!

>>718048659
So does taking the five seconds to learn where health kits are on the map.

>>718048789
You are the slowest thing in the game. A health pack trip takes as long as respawning.

I joined after not playing for a while and got perma-banned off of a community server for some reason. It was for the wario ware like games and the ban was an automatic ban for "aimhacking with heavy's fists".
Shit sucks since I never had a chance to try other game modes like the smash one since they're the same community that run the populated servers for those.

>>718048147
yeah sorry shotgun is pretty shit on heavy. especially compared to having full health at every engagement and every corner without a medic anywhere.

>>718048617
That depends on what your definition of "is" is.

>>718048893
TF2ware is alive? I haven't played that in ages, I was sad the new in-map coding stuff didn't revitalize it.

>>718048975
Oh
You know

>>718048751
>ive literally been stabbed in the face looking right at a spy on flat ground as he runs straight at me
and by straight at you you mean strafing in front of you

>>718049031
It's cool but it's MOSTLY just a port of the old shit from SourceMod.
Cool you can fire up a server of it in game and just load it off the workshop
Less cool that it's just the same thing from back then and they Redesigned the map and kept the faux Mario Galaxy design.

>>718046712
>>curving bullets around corners
?

I still don't understand how the flamethrower damage calc works

>>718049216
Distance + Particles = please do shit damage
Basically. Sometimes it accidentally DOESN'T do shit damage and those are the times pyros do like 200 damage in a second.

>>718049038
god i wish that was me on the left

>>718049216
It's bugged and doesn't work. Only way to consistently get the max damage is for the flames to bounce your flames off a wall with an enemy near it. In all other situations your best bet is having a seizure and spinning your mouse across your mousepad as fast as you can.

>Right clicks
>Deletes every projectile in the game for free in a radius the size of the sun
>"Muh Wrangler is so OP"

>>718049438
Actually if your enemy is against a wall you're mostly guaranteed to do minimal damage.

>>718048743
I've gotten so many hackusations from shit Spies because I have basic game awareness. My most recent one was from a Spy who sapped a Dispenser when the Engi loudly announced near the point, "Spy's sapping my dispenser!" and then tried going for a backstab while disguised as a Scout.

>>718049498
Not from my experience. Flamethrower will randomly do way more damage in cramped areas like stairwell on upward last.

>>718049484
>Becomes useless the second a sniper sees you

SEX WITH PYROUS'sS

>>718049538
Unless they are using the Huntsman or Jarate which in that case lol get deleted dumbass I have a dispenser right here that you can't destroy because a rocket hasn't come near it in 20 minutes.
Perfectly balanced like all Engineer weapons.

>>718049484
> for free
Soldierfag detected

>scout disguise makes you faster
no it doesn't
>it doesn't slow you down
neither does medic
>it displaces your hitbox
no it doesn't
>it makes you harder to headshot
aim a head above the scout disguise's head
>what if he's not looking at you
above the duffel bag
>but disguises don't fool people anyway
certainly not scout disguises

>>718049671
Current Spy meta is to disguise as your team's scout unless you need to exist around a sentry and pray he's not wearing a stupid bright outfit
Fuck compfags and youtubers for asking for respawn glows.

>>718049484
I feel like such an asshole whenever I use this thing lol

>>718038259 (OP)
>t. Mad soldierfag who keeps mindlessly firing rockets at him

>>718049484
>nerf metal regen on dispensers
>disable metal regen on payload carts
That's all you need to do to balance it. As annoying as Razorback is, at least it only blocks one stab before you have to run to respawn or wait 30 seconds.

>>718049817
That's the only way to fire rockets since they buffed Pyro's airblast hitbox to make reflects even more impossible to fail at.

>>718049763
The real meta is disguising as your team's Heavy and pretending to be a friendly.

>>718038410
But people hate spy, so its good that he's shit, as it discourages people from playing him

>Run unimpeded behind the enemy lines
>Now you are trapped behind enemy lines without a secondary and the entire enemy team knows you are going to be coming from behind or you wouldn't have needed to use Bonk to get past them in the first place
I never understood the use case of Bonk.

>>718050518
drawing fire from sentries

>>718050518
You seriously can't think of a practical application of on-demand invulnerability?

>>718050518
It was more useful when the sandman functioned at all and the Force A Nature didn't get assraped by the changes to airblast mechanics.

>>718050729
Oh and before I forget to mention
>LOUD ASS STUN SOUND ANNOUNCING YOUR EXACT LOCATION SO YOU CAN'T "STEAL" A KILL FROM A YOUTUBER BY DRINKING BONK

>>718050103
Didn't they nerf it?
Instead of the massive square it used to be, it's now an actual cone?

>>718050518
>block sentry fire
>eat spam in chokes
>draw attention away from your team's push
>get out of jail free card
>bodyblock ubers
>cross sniper sightlines safely

>>718050889
The cone is for airblasting players. They removed the cone in Jungle Inferno and used the cube for airblasting players too until they added the cone back in 64 bit.
The cube for airblasting projectiles was made bigger in Jungle Inferno.

I used to really like playing Scout 15 years ago, why does every weapon I used to use feel like ass now

>>718050518
Its good for playing discount spawn camp Spy on Payload maps before the last point.

>>718051182
If your primary was Baby Face's Blaster, I'm so sorry

>>718038259 (OP)
>genuinely the worst class.
I mean Spy exists but Pyro's probably down there too
But one: if it has a flamethrower I will use it
And two: if it has dumb gimmick garbage I will also use it
Plus I'm a contrarian faggot who loves to use perceived weaker/gimmick characters/loadouts in games
>t. uses the backburner and thermal thruster a LOT more than someone should to okay results and loving every minute of it

>>718050596
Only as an escape tool when Scout's entire inventory is escape tools that also double as weapons.
Even as an escape tool you are effectively dead the second you run away from a fight anyways because you aren't contributing anything. It's literally better to go down peppering an enemy with boolets than to drink your babby juice to run away and live to shit your diaper another day.

>>718051242
Blackburner's my favorite too, I tried it with the Thruster but it just felt too clunky to be practical in a firefight.
I prefer just using the Powerjack and speeding through flank routes to ambush them. That way I can keep my secondary.

Killing pyros as heavy is so satisfying they making it so easy for you

>>718049204
Notoriously, Heavies have been known to kill people from behind walls and corners due to lag and delay, hence the curved bullet joke.

>>718051454
They just need to reduce the deploy and holster speed, or just holster speed at the very least, and the thermal thruster would feel much better to use
Maybe also give it slightly better air control while we're at it
>>718051562
This but the inverse using the panic attack after you set the heavy on fire
Even with a medic healing them you can chunk a heavy incredibly fast

>>718051454
>>718051684
The problem with the thermal thruster is there's VERY RARELY anywhere you're going to need to clear the distance you can with it, detonator is good enough for most of what you'll want to do, and it's a usable secondary.

>>718051789
That's also all incredibly true
The detonator is the far better option and it's not even close
That being said, landing stomps is very satisfying, and the increased distance and height can get you into places you have less right to be in faster and more reliably
But yeah the detonator is still the superior option between the two for mobility

>>718041803
Phlog and pocket medic is pure cancer THOUGH. that's the problem, fast+no need to aim or reload+Uber+guaranteed crits is just not fun to fight against.

>>718038259 (OP)
i main pyro and engie. and i main pyro specifically because i enjoy killing soldiers

>>718052443
No better feeling than reflecting a crit rocket back into the enemy team

>>718052301
There are some cases when an ubered phlog is absolutely necessary though.
Namely against those turbo Sentry nests.

just shoot him lmao

>>718041360
all that power is fucking gone if you have a mic
your own team fucks you up

Fempyro makes my pp hard
Ergo best class

>>718052868
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>>718038259 (OP)
>go to castaway
>Get my hands on the unfucked Dragons Fury, lay absolute terror on the enemy team, coupled with the unfucked Axtinguisher and Detonator.
>Pyro completely fixed and a fucking threat

Holy shit ive been Redpilled on Valves Balance changes they completely fucked the game up.

>>718053145
>Please join my server... Valve ruined the game....
It's still shittier than the shotgun, sorry.

>>718053145
wake me when it has the airblast penalty removed

>>718045365
while this is true, shotgun is pyro's best weapon and he is the 3rd best shotgun class, 4th if you count scout.

>>718053201
lmao no it isnt, DF>Shotgun any engagement even against other pyros and Iam talking about the nerfed version of the weapon.
>>718053284
I dont think thats gonna happen, people already couldn't handle Pyro having a effective Primary on par with soldier which is why it was nerfed, the amount of complaining soldier fags would do would be astronomical.

DF remains the BEST overall Pyro Primary its just super hard to use now which is overcome with skill.

>>718047475
dying to pyro requires such a massive calamity of errors that having your death to a pyro weapon appear in the killfeed might as well be a public humiliation to the entire server. You are blind and walked into an enemy, your brain shut down and you decided to stay and fight the pyro instead of simply walking away where there is nothing he can do to stop you, you panicked and missed at melee range - likely multiple times.

>>718041534
Retards will watch a stabby stabby montage and then think that every spy is constantly pulling bullshit stabs, completely ignoring that 50 times your stab magically misses against a standing still f2p engineer. People only care about the peak epic moments and not that most of gameplay being pure suffering when encountering anyone with an IQ over 100.

>>718053671
Well now I have to assume you're a complete retard in addition to a social undesirable.

>>718042292
The Niggie bomb launcher is so fucking annoying when used right

>>718053691
>you panicked and missed at melee range - likely multiple times.
The fact that Pyro doesn't have enough health to survive a random melee crit is hilarious to me
Getting in your "optimal range" is just as dangerous to you as it is to whoever you're trying to kill

>>718047034
>and I want to see if he can juggle rocket and bullet resistances quick enough.
Most likely they can because the average fag using the vax is a 3000 hour player that can press M2 and R at the same time.
Thank god nobody plays Medic and most players pick default because it's the most braindead one to use.

>>718053727
the only retard here is you, I dunno where the fuck you got the idea that hitscan Damage> Projectile Damage. maybe if youre playing casual but not in above average community servers filled to the brim with tryhards.Ive killed many a pyro with normal flamers and shotguns with the DF without much of a problem, and usually its them ending up having to run away.

Take your L retard peacefully.

>>718048789
Lol
>Finally after 15 seconds reach healthpack
>Scout with 120 Hp mindlessly touches it
>Forced to wait at <100 Hp and get killed by random enemy
Nope, lunchbox items all the way.

>>718054014
>Scout with 120 Hp mindlessly touches it

>>718038259 (OP)
I stopped playing tf2 because they stopped adding new weapons. I dont care about cosmetics. I think they're gay.

>>718054014
what are your thoughts on the Dalakos ?

>>718049281
>those are the times pyros do like 200 damage in a second
It's so fucking bullshit, sometimes as a Heavy I just mow down the f2p 12 year old pyro and sometimes I get fucking melted in 1 second from 300 health, fucking broken class.

>>718054103
Still better than the shotgun, only good for extinguishing your medic or something if the enemy team has 7 pyros, still a useless gimmick-

>be pyro
>ambush heavy from behind
>set him on fire
>he turns around to find me
>still torching him
>he finally find me
>still burning
>he slowly rev up his minigun
>still going at it
>minigun is all the way down and he's about to shoot
>still setting him on fire the whole time
>instantly delete me
>Heavy had 150 HP left
"close" range class

>>718054347
heavy played better by not being at half health. if you were good you would have ambushed the heavy when he was at low hp.

>>718054347
>be pyro
>affront heavy from the front
>set him on fire from the maximum flamethrower range
>he starts shooting
>melt him before he gets you down to 50 Hp
"close" range class

>>718054347
some things truly never change

>>718054347
That's why you use the panic attack if you decide to hunt heavies
Or be prepared for a degreaser flare axtinguisher combo
If you're not doing either of that, don't bother with heavies

>>718046712
>This game has no honest class.
Scout is a true and honest class.

>>718054481
Doesn't this comic predate the addition of the airblast

>>718054347
small skill issue, if you're using the regular flamer shotgun his ass to death as he burns, Panic attack is great at blasting niggas from up close I think it deals like 100 damage pershot .

>>718054608
yes

>>718054347
You gotta pick em off with the regular flare gun. takes four flares at most to kill a full health heavy if you dont light em before hand

Imagine if Valve's pet class, Soldier, was nerfed nearly as bad as Pyro was
>the rocket launcher is too strong, nerf the damage, he's not supposed to kill Scout in 2 hits, now if he want to hit for his base damage, he needs to hit the same target 4 times without missing
>he's not Demo, remove the AoE, it's too strong
>rocket jumping? That's OP, he can reach spaces no other class can go to, so now his rocket launcher have +200% draw time, there's no knockback on self hit

>>718054871
Pretty sure Sniper's Valve's pet class
>Gets multiple items that completely hard counter the class that's supposed to counter him
>Can also be immune to Pyro's attempts at harassing him with the Danger Shield
Funny how those two classes are also some of the worst too

pyro huge cock bulging out through his rubber suit send post

hear me out
>pyro gets a knife but it is a 1 hit kill from all directions
>spy gets a flamethrower to create absolute chaos after he has infiltrated an enemy group

>>718055136
>bulging out through his rubber suit
dumbass, he IS the suit
it just hangs if he forgets to hide it

>>718055136
the suit stays on

>>718053759
And how does one master the Quickie bomb launcher exactly?

>>718055258
Get drunk

Post em

>>718055172
>living costume pyro
my mind has been opened to an insanely based idea i haven't even considered

>>718055258
1. Hold M2
2. Press M1
t. drunk

>played pyro almost exclusively since 2008
>post f2p literal trannies descend onto the class for whatever reason like locusts and "claim" it for themselves
Granted I stopped regularly playing TF2 somewhere around 2012 or 2013 but still.

>>718055258
Learn to use the fast charge speed to snipe every medic who enters your sight

>>718055397
Combination of being a faceless character they can project all of their fetishes onto and being the easiest class to play.

>>718055452
>Pyro
>being the easiest class to play.
That's Soldier.

>>718055258
Learn to snipe, it's better than stock stickies imo

>>718055397
Furries claimed Pyro ever since the Pyromancer's Mask

>>718053759
Up there with the Direct Hit as a weapon you'll only see used proficiently once in ten thousand rounds, but when you do it feels impossible to play against.

>>718055172
But if he is the suit, how am I supposed to imagine him taking off his boots and smelling how fucking suffocatingly rank they are?

>>718055630
Direct hit is not hard to use, people say it's hard because unlike the stock rocket launcher, it doesn't let you shoot at the ground and wipe the enemy team.

>>718055703
You can talk about how easy it is all you want but I still only see someone who's actually good at it once in a blue moon.
Most people who think they're good at it get killed by any decent Scout.

>>718055792
>Most people who think they're good at it get killed by any decent Scout
The weapon is literally Scout Be Gone, just flick, it's that easy.

>>718054103
was the best roaming heavy secondary along with eviction notice before valve gutted them.

>>718054103
Dalokohs Bar + Natascha is a great roamer loadout

>>718055826
I miss when the Loch n' Load could one shot Scouts
Gods I was good at Demo back then

>>718055932
>Natascha
>roamer
Sounds like cancer to use, I'd rather run the Brass Beast and hide in some random alleyway waiting for my prey

>>718055932
Thats more of a defense loadout, you basically use those two and become the massive fucking stopgap against the enemy team.

>>718040957
IT'S MAMGOT

>>718056172
That's why it also works for when you don't have a medic up your ass. Getting more recovery out of health packs when you're roaming is nice too.

>>718055662
If he can hide the cock, then there's mild shapeshifting at work.
His boots reshape into the feet.

the whole team appreciates a pyro that hangs back and spychecks to the point of people thanking them for doing it
pyro is very powerful - reflecting, wrecking ubers, trap card reflecting kritz from demo/soldier
their jetpack if used by someone with 2 brain cells is also very powerful
not sure why pyro got the fucking phlog, though

>>718056745
Pyro got the phlog because it's actually very very very easy to kill a pyro that can't airblast.

>>718056745
everything pyro does either sucks or can be done better by another class with the sole exception of trading his life to airblast an uber
Reflecting? Short circuit
Spychecking? Scout
Flanking? Soldier

>>718056840
Short circuit doesn't reflect
Scouts tend to not be near their teams to spycheck, and if your scout is hanging back there, why bother playing scout? Plus all pyro needs to do is which some fire around to see who's a spy
Yeah soldier is definitely better at flanking

>>718056840
short circuit only deletes, not reflects. short circuit won't give you the erection you get when the enemy soldier's gay pocket medic hits kritz and you just got four shots of nuclear missiles to redirect into the rest of his team

>>718038259 (OP)
i miss phlog pyro before the nerf

>>718038410
Both Pyro and Spy suck donkey dick
You're thinking of Sniper

>>718056840
>Spychecking? Scout
t. yet another faggot who can't play pyro as well as some brazilian with 200 ping booting the game up in 2007 and thinks spychecking is shooting the spy after he has already backstabbed the engineer and sapped his buildings
Spychecking means shooting some of your 200 flame particles that pass through players and don't need revving up or reloading at your teammates or in areas where you think an invisible spy might be, a job easiest done by the pyro because he has tons of ammo to spare, can cover space easily by just wiggling his mouse a bit and pressing a button, and doesn't need to reload or slow down to shoot.

>>718057001
>Pre nerf phlog pyros are encouraged to run directly at the enemy team and loudly announce their presence
>Nerf makes pyros conceal their presence using voicelines to cover up the taunt and actually use it in semi sneaky locations
>It's now a shittier back burner if you don't have a medic shoved up your ass if you aren't playing mvm
>Still WAY more annoying to the people who complained about it in the first place

>>718057170
And why the FUCK did I even have to type this shit? Because somehow people who play TF2 these days are actually too retarded to fucking spycheck as Pyro. They get so lost in their retarded combos and bullshit that they don't do the single job they're expected to be doing.

>>718057340
Nowadays everyone compulsively spychecks, even fresh installs because they look up the first "Become good at TF2 101" tutorial and the first thing they're told is "SPYCHECK YOU RETARD".
Problem is these retards do not spycheck common spots and neither do they extinguish.
Anyway, Spy is a class countered by common sense.

>hang out with engy, defending
>kill/chase off spies while protecting the sentry, dispenser, tele
>you win

>>718057549
>Spy rage switches and goes demo, therefore ACTUALLY helping his team instead of getting uncoordinated epic trickstabs

>>718057549
Iam gonna be honest the homewrecker is retarded and pyro shoud've never been given it. Playing spy is aleady hard enough as it and its even worse when a pyro can simply invalidate all your hard work.

Its a weapon on the same tier as the fucking crocodile shield for sniper, super gay.

>>718057543
>Nowadays everyone compulsively spychecks
People keep saying this but every game I join has people playing with their audio off with gay porn on their second monitor and the spatial ability of a toddler

>>718057701
i exclusively use it since its so powerful countering spy saps and i agree, it should have never been added

>>718050518
and now they have a scout, the best duelist class in the game if he's good, behind them. free to bully teleporters, pick off people outside of sentry range or pounce on spawners unless they get rid of him.
not saying bonk is amazing but a good scout behind your lines is not a good thing.

>>718050518
the use case for the bonk has always been the scouts kamikaze option for sentries. you basically take your sippy and run into the sentries sightlines taking all the fire so that your team can safely take the sentry down. its basically a mini uber once every 6 seconds its very powerful but requires team coordination

>>718038410
spy can outdamage pyro with the revolver if you use the spycicle thanks to its fire damage reduction

>>718054347
Use the Backburner or combo with the Degreaser + Flare Gun/Panic Attack + Axtinguisher. Also use the airblast to disorientate them

is it too late to play this
i feel like every valve game is some kind of 'you had to be there' time capsule and half of the fun is stuff you cant experience anymore because they removed it or there was some ARG webcomic thing on a website that doesnt exist anymore
i only just played portal recently and found myself doing a lot of wiki digging on the things that were changed, added in updates, easter eggs and arg teases

>>718043745
Just don't wear furfag-coded shit in your cosmetic slots and don't have a furfag pfp.

Pyro and spy are noob crushers. They are aids for noobs to deal with because they basically offer "cheat" ways to get easy kills without any skill. But incredibly ineffective against higher skilled opponents. Terrible design and should be completely removed from game.

>>718058695
Just install it, jump in and decide if you're enjoying it or not, what is this 'too late to play' bullshit

>>718058695
casual queue is a mockery of quickplay, but if you can stomach having to wait like 3 minutes between games its still a good time. the game is still fundamentally good and they'd have to do some seriously retarded changes to make the game not fun anymore. you can also find a few fun community servers to play on, generally the players on there will have a much higher skill level than casual but that will just force you to get better faster. avoid skial servers like the plague, uncletopia can suck to play on but is still better to play than casual queue, and if there are no other servers with players on them the furry servers are decent vanilla servers if you disable sprays and decals, and mute everyone on the server. you'll still have to deal with gay messages of the day and automated chat messages, so its understandable if you dont want to play just because of those

>>718049671
>aim a head above the scout disguise's head
And if people are bad and don't do this its still an objective bonus to the scout disguise
Its still a bad decision but there is at least one upside

>>718038259 (OP)
dragon's fury and scorch shit are fun, though
it's not optimal but it has so many different playstyles that it's still fun playing him

>>718058695
Valve servers are objectively worse than they were 9 years ago, but the game’s fundamentals haven’t changed much, there’s still a lot of fun to be had

>>718059005
Scout is only "situational" if you are bad. A good Scout can easily keep Demos and Heavys in check.

>>718059532
OK so what does a 'good' Scout player do when attacking the last point of Dustbowl

>>718059593
Disconnect and play koth.

>>718058456
Heavy here.
Was airblasted, did not disorient me.
Pyro is dead, not big surprise.

>>718059593
Switch classes.

Reminder that the lower you look down as Pyro, the higher the enemy will go when airblasted. If you look directly down, any enemy around you(even behind you) will fly in a straight line into the sky, which can leaves then open for a combo or for a follow up airblast to send them away.

>>718058695
Nah, you’re not too late. You missed a lot of fun stuff, but the game in its current state is still very fun. It’s very easy to get into, too.
TF2 also has a wiki that can show you where to read all of the fun update webpages they used to post and all of the comics.

>>718059005
demo loch n load with tide turner is OP as fuck i dont understand how i keep going 70+ kills a full game using only that combo

>>718059728
I know you're memeing on me, but you do it anyways even if your target doesn't get disorientated. Because you can launch your enemies into the air in a specific trajectory to make it easy to land a flare or something, and unlike with say rockets you can't easily airstrafe it because of Airblast mechanics.

>>718046801
It's fun but very janky, still fun to delete entire engie nests, heavies and scouts with it. pairs well with the scorch shot as well, it lets you set up kills better. Certainly not optimal for sure, it could use a buff or a revert.

>>718046923
99% of pyros don't know this, and the few that do can't reflect it properly anyway. I can count the times someone successfully landed a DF reflect on me on one hand.

>>718048762
The back scratcher really is underrated.

>>718039687
are you good? got vids?

i have killed so many children due to pyro valve should pay

>>718038259 (OP)
playing pyro just to fuck with tryhard soldiers is very satisfying.

>Kill engi
>Sap his whole nest
>Die because there's like 4 people around
>All my efforst undone because ONE (1) pyrofag decided to equip homewrecker

>>718043745
>I hate that I can't play this class without feeling like a degenerate
Use the Dragon’s Fury, Gas Passer, and Neon Annihilator.

>>718065596
its actually terrible. i was shopping for unusuals for him and he has no good hats

>>718065968
stout shako

>>718055326
Imagine living costume Pyro takeover

>>718038259 (OP)
8 years
98 months
408 weeks
2856 days since Valve released Jungle inferno. An update centered around Pyro in which they fucked up his damage ramp up and decided to leave his gimped damage as is.
Reminder that nuvalve can't bother to make nor fix their existing games.

>>718066873
that update dropped and i didnt even really care. i looked at the changes awhile later and thought hum thats cool. the things i took for granted

>>718065968
I like Your Worst Nightmare and that's it.

>NOOOO YOU CANT HAVE FUN YOU HAVE TO BE A TRYHARD SOLDIER, SNIPER, OR SPY
Faggots!

>>718038259 (OP)
>can counter soldier and demo spam
>assrapes spys and demoknights
>can stop Uber pushes
>flares are so good at dealing with snipers that sniperfags bitched to get the danger shield turned into the “fuck pyro” tool
>good a defending sentry nests and protecting important players
Why do people say pyro sucks? Because just W+M1 isn’t that strong.

Has anyone thought Pyro is literally, canonically a tranny? It makes the Official source filmmaker movies really funny.
>no I'm not talking about that freak, alright? He's not here, is she? from scout
>one one shudders to imagine what horrors lie behind that mask from spy
Blatant 250 pound man build and voice. But he also has purses and stuff in his locker in 2fort. All the classes hate him and think he's a freak. Meet the Pyro is comedically anti tranny. He even has a delusional internal world view.
Valve constantly implies he could be a man or a woman and then calls Pyro an it freak delusional maniac, and then the class ingame is played by trannies.

>>718067891
No. I always thought Pyro was an alien.

>>718068082
he was always Trashcan Man from The Stand.

>>718038385
Reflect takes very little skill, the hitbox is actually insane and the rockets auto target where they were shot from so no need to position to land it

>>718067891
Pyro is whatever I decide.
Since I am horny, Pyro is a woman.

>>718065174
Nope.
4k hours and still can't airblast. I main medic now.
https://youtube.com/@pip6852?si=E0ogmAXCWJXU9P5F

>>718046801
Dragon's Fury demonstrates how dumb complaining about aim with pyro is.
>make a "flamethrower you need to aim with"
>set it at the same standard set with demo/soldier, it fires projectiles that you have to land
>everyone finds out that landing projectiles at flamethrower range was never hard
>valve had to then make it so the centre of the projectile has to make contact with the hitbox for the extra damage, thereby setting pyro to a standard the other projectile users are not expected to meet

>>718068923
youre cute though. let me holler at you

>>718072042
bbg... give a white boy a chance

The Death Korps of Krieg cosmetic set is Pyro's best set

>>718059593
kill people, presumably

>>718069063
Not to mention DF has way way less range than any other projectile weapon

>>718066592
Hot