Thread 718040951

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>>718040951 (OP)
tried playing this game a few years ago, and it's an absolutely average boring doom clone, hexen was much more interesting just to figure out my way out of the map

>hohoho
>hahaha

>>718041345
I'm thinking about going straight to Hexen. I'm at e3m2 now and it's not very fun.

>>718041345
Yeah Hexen's a lot better. Heretic's enemy variety is insanely doggy doo, but the maps are sorta neat. Once you go Hexen you'll never want to go back.

>Damn you, D'Sparil!
>DAMN YOU

>>718040951 (OP)
soulless

>>718043938
Wrong game, m8.

>>718040951 (OP)
it seems that the mongoloids at Nightdive recorded Heretic's soundtrack with the SC-55 and forgot that the game was composed on Soundblaster AWE32 thus the soundtrack in roland loses some notes and sounds quality.
And this is because Doomworld called this out for years.
Also Hexen soundtrack is muffled and it isnt using the CD Digital Audio that uses Roland SC-88Pro Recordings

What went wrong?

>>718045565
Nothing.

>>718045565
Nothing at all, the retards just screwed the soundtrack, but everything else is great.
Watching zoomers opening their eyes over years of being lied to about hexen and heretic being inferior to doom finally came true, and the new episodes are Serpent levels of hard

>Griffin Chapel is mirrored
Threw me the fuck off.

>>718044995
So what would be the best setting to use from what's available?

>>718044414
there were demons in the liminal pools the entire time

Wtf?

>don't talk to me or my altar boy again
>>718045947
>Serpent
Surprised to see people know it, it was a great mod

>>718040951 (OP)
This game bombed

>>718040951 (OP)
WHAT THE FUCK !

>>718040951 (OP)
>run in circles until the enemies kill each other: the level

I loved Heretic. It was Doom+, all these little cool tweaks and additions. Along with more colourful and interesting art. Good stuff.

But past episode 3 it was a boring slog with monster closets full of bosses.

The miggers did it.
They made the sky red.

>>718056661
I think the worst part of the expansion was every level being an annoying scavenger hunt where you press a switch and then try to guess what it did. Or looking for a random linedef that opens a secret door or something. That shit really made the two episodes feel longer than they should have.

>>718056941
I was a bit put off by E4M1 plopping a big fat maulotaur in the second room

>>718057794
You can pretty much ignore/circumvent him so he's not that big of a problem. The six (or seven? Can't remember) iron liches in the level are a much bigger issue.

>>718041345
The tweaks to the remaster do help it a fair bit. Weapons are more consistent in damage, slightly more effective and maybe enemy health isn't so spongy, not entirely sure yet, so it's a lot snappier in pacing. Same goes for Hexen really; it's still a slow start with little mana and your basic weapons at first, but in general enemies are a lot less painful to fight in terms of how much damage you can deal when playing smart.

>>718041345
I prefer heretic over hexen
The puzzles are lame

>beat hexen, love It
>Check back in DOS mode
>Arrow controls, no mouse aim, tank controls, fucking run button, SOUNDBLASTER
No Wonder I breezed Through the game when I wasnt piloting a crippled ferrari

>>718040951 (OP)
>secret level of the new expansion is slaughtershit
Fucks sake

>>718040951 (OP)
I think I just reached that level yesterday. I've played Heretic before, but I had forgotten how tanky most enemies feel. Doom has much better pacing in its combat. Still enjoying it, but it's not as good as I remembered

>>718059273
They expect you to use Tomes of Power to plow through bigger groups of enemies. Most levels have multiple for that reason.

>>718041978
Heretic is a Quake 1 situation in which you're probably better off just skipping the original campaign and going straight to the new original episode and community mods.
It has not aged well at all and the fact that they had to buff all the weapons and nerf enemy health to make it less of a boring slog says a lot.

Friendly reminder that if you do play Heretic/Hexen without tank controls, you DID NOT beat the game

>>718040951 (OP)
why is the new music so shit
it worked fine for doom

>>718060061
Yeah, but that doesn't feel good to me. It sort of relies on you know what you're up against, and that a harder pack isn't just around the next corner. Don't get me wrong, I use tomes fairly liberally, but I'd honestly prefer Doom-styled powerups that are triggered automatically. That way I wouldn't feel the pressure of trying to figure out when the optimal time is to use it. It's like consumables in RPGs that you never end up using because what if the next boss is harder and I'd want to use it then? And just because the tomes exist doesn't mean weak weapons are any more fun to use. I'd rather not have the tomes if it meant all weapons did 15-20% more damage by default. The alternative firing modes you get do nothing for me

>>718061205
Friendly reminder that if you do play Heretic/Hexen without your parents arguing loudly and threatening divorce in the next room, you DID NOT beat the game

>>718041345
I'd rather play a Doom clone than a boring game with endless switch hunting and confusing levels

>>718040951 (OP)
This game used to give me horrendous motion sickness back in the day.

>>718058883
You should see the new Hexen secret level

>>718040951 (OP)
Game too fast for me. No, not even the game. Just character.
I'm too retarded to find secrets, on second map I managed to miss 5 out of 7 secrets, despite running the map multiple times. It feels even worse than Blood and Enclave.
Auto aim feels off, manual aim looks like shit.

>>718062469
>Another stairway opened on Seven Portals.
AAaahah!

>>718060284
Original Quake is still fun unlike 2

>>718061984
You know that only one of each item carries over to the next level? There's no point in hoarding them

>>718062526
Pretty sure the auto run is on by default

>>718061205
I couldn’t beat D’sparil on black plague with mouse aim.

im just going to say it. i hate nightdive. they ruin everything they touch.

>>718063707
What was wrong with their Doom 64, Quake 1, Powerslave, Rise of the Triad, System Shock, Turok, Strife and releases?

>>718050368
what did you think they were liminaling against?

>>718063707
Their only flawed releases are Blood and Blade Runner

>>718060284
wtf there's nothing wrong with quake 1
What are these new godly original episodes and community mods that I've never heard of?

>>718062469
what were the hexen devs smoking?

Just play both games in Gzdoom
I'm more hopeful about them brining back Heretic 2

What's taught there? How's the campus? What are they cooking over at the Silent Refectory? How much of a fright is the big guy with that third mana cube during exams? Any alums that can share some experience with the seminary? Is there a tuition, and does it cost an arm and a leg?

>>718062469
This is some Dark Souls shit and something i wish it was build for skyrim as a mod

>>718044995
I'm super disappointed that Hulshult's version of Heretic's docks music and E1M9 doesn't have the electric guitar, that shit was cool. Still sounds fantastic, though.

>>718066663
i mean check the AWE32 soundtrack vs the Roland one, you will notice that all music sounds better in AWE32 than Roland that is missing a few notes, a good comparison is The Crypts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idIGaJPDJ7Y&t=6623s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJEpSfzK894

>>718064392
That's from the new expansion.

>>718068764
oh yeah I had no idea this thing existed. How do you even learn about this?

>>718062661
But I don't know how each level plays out until I've beat it. Maybe there's another maulotaur in a monster closet, and I'll end up regretting using a tome on a room full of mid-tier enemies

someone host a kickass hexen 2 coop lobby because these games are trash

>>718041345
The item inventory makes it kind of tedious, and the enemy types do little to stand out. Magic + Doom could have been a lot better.

>>718070037
Pretty much

>>718069924
Hexen 2 is objectively the worst game in the series.

>>718072483
Filtered

>>718068816
You have to flip secret switches and collect some items to access the level

>>718070037
You now have the option to assign the items to keys which makes the game much easier to play

>>718073036
you already had that option for decades with gzdoom...

>>718070037
While that's true, this game came out like a year after Doom. At the time there was only so much they could do by having a bunch of imp variants since there wasn't much else to go off of.

At least Maulotaur and Iron Lich are interesting to fight.

>>718073540
They could have cut the inventory system entirely if it didn't play well, and added the powered-up attacks as alt fires or as additional weapons that occupied the same slot (like the SSG)

I felt there was something off with the new balance but can't really place it. Bigger enemies are less tedious sure, but the gargoyles have instead become the most fearsome on the hardest difficulty. They don't die to a full crossbow, not sure if that was always the case and have HP almost like the other enemies. On top of that all shooting enemies are so fast at the highest difficulty that doors don't even have time to open halfway before you get completely curbstomped by a barrage of projectiles.

>>718062537
Shut the FUCK up Korax

People who hate on Nightdive are probably just purists eho think that if you didn't use Dosbox or chocolate doom you didn't beat the game

>>718073180
Except that's not true.

>>718041345
It really is literally just Doom but with a magic theme rather than sci-fi. However I like the game a lot for that. It was meant to be this way.

Did they fix the Fighter's sword? I remember that being the most disappointing of the final weapons.

>>718075317
yes?

>>718076432
There's nothing to fix. In fact the one that needs fixing is the wraithverge beceause outside of its cool factor the ghosts will half the just wander off and despawn and waste your ammo. Pathing is worse in general because ettins get stuck all the time and can't move and enemies can hit you through closed doors.

>>718076664
That only really happens if you fire it from a long distance. The ghosts are typically very good at clearing a room and often kill enemies in adjacent rooms as a bonus.

>>718040951 (OP)
Dickhouse

>>718064275
>>718062620
quake1 is garbage with its bullet sponge enemies and shit weapons

>>718077174
S K I L L
I S S U E

>>718060284
>Heretic
>skipping episodes 1 and 3
Fuck no, episode 3 is still the best one to this day.

>>718075000
if your gaming box doesn't have a turbo button you're cheating. simple as.

>>718076432
It's better than the mage one which actually got nerfed

>>718067034
Definitely a big difference

>>718070037
Probably would have been better if Heretic went in a sort of RPG light direction in hindsight but I still like the game. Pretty good idea could have been between each level you upgrade things like health, the wands and all that shit. Then the spongy enemies wouldn't have been as noticeable if you could upgrade your favorite weapons into their tome counterparts and have a permanent powered up weapon.

>>718067034
Maybe it was done on purpose so that the hacks "enhanced" music can sound even better to people by comparison

>install this shit with GZDOOM
>boring af on splattermeister or whatever difficulty
>switch over to Doom II ultra-violence with bolognese gore mod
>having a great time
ya, Heretic and Hexen both just suck ass

>>718080029
Gayest post on /v/.

>>718079301
In AWE32 the crypts opening feels like a choir as it was recorded, in Roland its off and distorted, and is missing tones later

>>718077352
nah, Quake 1 is just shit, and none of the trannies at slipseer will change that