Thread 718041184

>>718041184 (OP)
We never knew how good we had it

I don't think he said that.

Uh no sir,we only have the Very Masculine but secretly sub silent protagonist with the very punkish romantic interest that will eventually become lesbian.

>90's character
>upbeat, believes in god, knows he will win, defeats fake god

>25' character
>downbeat, hates god, always cowering in loss, defeats god that was just trying to help
what happened

uh, yea... I'll have what he's having

>>718041501
remove the lesbian shit and im sold

>>718041184 (OP)
>And don't forget nothing that challenges my preconceived notions of how the world should work.
>video games are supposed to “challenge your notions”
Making this an explicit goal rather than a possible secondary effect goes a long way towards explaining why modern western games suck.

>>718041184 (OP)
you're baiting for people to say "actually I like that!!!" but 90% of this sucks and anybody who enjoys it should kill themselves

>>718042035
Well said.

>>718042035
I mean, Japanese games always try to make some bold statement with their games too. Look at any Final Fantasy game. In fact, almost every Japanese fantasy story has strict atheistic messaging. But there's always a charm to it, like a middle-schooler trying his best on his writing essay, as opposed to the cynical nihilistic pretensions of Western writing

I'll take a harsh, over-the-hill mentor who is quickly won-over by the protag's heart

>>718041184 (OP)
Yes, I've also seen starship troopers.

Silent protagonists have pretty much died out. Even the creator of Dragon Quest has admitted that they don't work anymore and look like idiots due to modern graphics and animations

>>718042346
I get real sad for Dizzy whenever I think of that movie.

>>718041184 (OP)
This but unironically. A solid story is ok though.

>>718042054
You first, lead by example fag. Don't forget to record it for internet attention grabbing. Not getting shamed into thinking thats a bad thing just because your dad left you.

>>718042632
Nioh 2 and Lies of P probably look the stupidest with their silent protagonists

>>718041184 (OP)
>I'll take a clinically-obese caucasian woman, whose fat face looks like the team leader, with third-person cinematic "gameplay", a cast of mid 2010s stereotypes, including the aggressively unlikable older woman with conspicuous laugh lines, the pure and wise negro with has no faults whatsoever, white male enemies with no coherent motive, no themes more complex than a Harry Potter book, a script that sounds like it was written by Joss Whedon at gunpoint, extra embezzled money with a yiddish twist, make the community manager cry, burn it and let it flop.

>>718042253
>Look at any Final Fantasy game.
What is the strict atheistic message of the chosen heroes of the higher force of Light saving those in need from the forces of Dark(usually an evil human getting corrupted by some evil force, sometimes outright demons)?

>>718042253
>Anon starts bashing on JRPGs
>Always just brings up Final Fantasy
have you no experience with JRPGs at all?

>>718043614
one of the greatest games ever made. Still love it.

>>718043614
It's athiest because it's against cults and worship. That's basically anti-religion, you know!

>>718041184 (OP)
>no deep or complicated themes
Name 1 deep or complicated theme.
Then explain why the complexity is part of what makes it well written instead of the nuance and exploration of that theme.

>>718043614
The church is almost always depicted as evil in Japanese games. Not really a big thing in Final Fantasy specifically, but XIII is definitely an example

>>718043614
That anon took the most retarded franchise imaginable as an example, FF, being a western pandering franchise, only has 1 game where the message is "religion bad", and thats 10.

>>718043946
Can you name a few more?
And for what it's worth, I'm a Christian and understand perfectly that portraying a church as a corrupt political entity in media is not only reasonable but entirely grounded in reality.

>>718043614
>>718044126
Actually you two are just retarded and misread what I said. I said 1, Japanese games always try to have profound melodrama, with every Final Fantasy being a perfect example. And I said 2, that most Japanese fantasy games always have an anti-religion message. I never said Final Fantasy had an anti-religion message, you just got confused

Why was bubble bass such a jerk?

>>718044231
Some people are just like that.
One can't help but notice that Bubble Bass is very much in his thirties, fat and presumably unmarried thanks to his winning personality.

>>718044159
Bloodborne, Dark Souls, Elden Ring, Berserk, Xenoblade. And I'll just casually be watching an anime like Kaiji and a character will go on a monologue about how retarded religion is. Japan clearly has a very secular culture. It doesn't have the same nostalgic fondness for Christian idealism as even secular Westerners have, they see it as purely absurd

>>718044223
you should further clarify future posts so anons do not arrive at erroneous conclusions

>>718043126
>go back home
>start playing vidya
>they forgot the debra wilson

>>718044231
hes fat

>>718044894
Why are fat people such evil horrendous monsters?

>>718044419
That's because of Japan's history with America's attempts to force Christianity on them.
https://sengokuchronicles.com/christianity-in-japan-forced-conversions-and-cultural-clashes/
They view organized religions that way because that's how history was to them. It demonstrated that organized religion was just a tool to leverage a person's morality and virtues to gain control of a nation.
To add to this, institutionalized religion usually spits on the religion itself by forcing a type of worship.
And despite all of this, Japan has a pretty nuanced and unbiased view of religion with many games promoting their own fictional ones or at least not bashing them.

>>718044916
most of them are miserable and want to spread it to others

>>718044916
Being selfish and lazy makes it pretty easy to become fat.

>>718044419
>Japan shows that religions can have bad people in them too.
>Anon thinks that means japan says religion bad.
Wearing a cross and having a bible on your bedside table doesn't make you a good person.

>>718045062
That it does not.
I don't suppose that guy has ever actually met very many Japanese people, either.

>>718044947
>And despite all of this, Japan has a pretty nuanced and unbiased view of religion with many games promoting their own fictional ones or at least not bashing them.
I've heard a Japanese woman say it pretty succinctly that over there they tend to "care more about what you believe than what you believe in."

>>718042712
I cry every time. Movies don't typically make me emotional.

>>718044947
>>718045062
But the message is never "religion can have bad people in them too". The message is almost always "the religion ITSELF is bad, because the god of said religion is either evil or doesn't exist and people are just deluding themselves when the morally correct thing to do is to be an atheistic Ubermensch". I honestly can't think of a single positive depiction of religion in Japanese media period. And I'm not criticizing Japan for this btw. It's just an interesting cultural observation I've made. I like Japshit, and if being atheistic is a fundamental part of the Japshit style, then keep the atheism coming.

>>718044916
too many stairs, not enough fork lifts

>>718044894
>>718044916
>>718044996
>>718045027
>>718045651
idk, I'm pretty nice.

>>718045505
>The message is almost always "the religion ITSELF is bad,
Wrong, you refuse to acknowledge context and think the evil character represents religious organizations as a whole. That's usually not the case, and they are usually a manipulator using people's good faith against them.
If anything it's a cautionary tale to not blindly follow a leader just because they have the same values as you.

>>718045830
oh, sorry.

>>718046361
no problemo.
Santa will forgive you.

>>718042253
>strict atheistic messaging
Sweetie did you forge your media literacy degree?

>>718045875
>What do you do in the game
Kill god?
>What are the themes of the game
Killing god?

>>718045505
the message i see is "power corrupts, dont blindly trust leaders".

>>718048367
Most intelligent religious person.
Even non-religious folk have more respect for your ideals than you.