Thread 718053301

Why couldn't Marika simply order Maliketh to use the rune of death on Godwyn's body?

>>718053301 (OP)
Because the TWLID stuff was thought of very late in development. It's the only reason why it doesn't make sense that everybody just let Godwyn's body grow and warp into a monstrosity and poison the Lands Between.

You expect a woman to be able to think rationally?

>>718053301 (OP)
cause he wasn’t fully dead, his soul was killed, his body was still “alive”

ignore this retard>>718053495

>>718053301 (OP)
She was in god prison and Godwyn being some undead freak didn't really matter that much for the longest time.

>>718053568
Could they just euthanize him?

>>718053301 (OP)
DAYYYUM, Fia fucks THAT?

>>718053495
Godwyns state is 100% explained by marika’s laws, maliketh’s oath, and golden order dogma
screaming “late development” is just cope for not paying attention

Was Godwyn always that big when he was alive, or did somebody come along later and put those gigantic bracelets on his wrists.

>>718055872
>Was Godwyn always that big when he was alive
no
>did somebody come along later and put those gigantic bracelets on his wrists
also no
the answer is the rule of cool

>>718053301 (OP)
why is half of his body a fish?

>>718056959
Because his body is alive and life comes from the sea.

>>718053495
fpbp

>>718057273
So he's a zombie?

>>718057596
Zombies are dead.

>>718057640
and yet they live

>>718056959
japanese folklore associated death with stagnant bodies of water, which is also why:
>the Deep in DS3 is fish and other aquatic shit
>The fishing village in Bloodborne is dead people (also Innsmouth reference)
>The Mibu fishing village in Sekiro is dead people (also Bloodborne reference)
>Crabs and other aquatic life get associated with Death a lot in Elden Ring

>>718056959
He was a merman in life

>>718057870
This is mostly true, but the water doesn't need to be stagnant.
It makes sense that a culture based heavily on fishing and seafaring for thousands of years has developed a folklore around the millions of people who have drowned.
A lot of famous kinds of yokai are associated with water, like kappa, umibozu, and funayurai (literally drowned ghosts)

>>718054257
Oooh I see, it's like that huh

>>718053301 (OP)
Recipe to fixing the final boss of the DLC:
>delete the idea of a consort introduced in the DLC, make Leda stronger and have her be the chosen elden lord of Miquella
>Miquallas secondary objective is to bring forth a shadow/rememberance of Godwyn, use it as a soul substitute and merge it with his body after coming back to TLB to eventually allow him to die a true death
>stronger Leda further entices players to summon for the gank fight instead of autistically refusing to do it
>after she gets btfo you fight a lone Miquella in phase one, Godwyns shadow/rememberance joins him for the second phase
>would have a mix of holy/light and dark attacks
>inb4 it's shit
>inb4 m-muh lore is already perfect
I don't care, I like it.

>>718058236
it is still mostly for stagnant bodies of water though because the folklore essentially evolved as a way of saying "hey don't fucking drink water that isn't moving because you'll die"
i forgot the specific term used for it iirc the term for this kind of folklore is definitely specifically about stagnant water bodies

>>718053301 (OP)
Rune of death was stolen

>>718055872
>Was Godwyn always that big
no, he just liked wearing ridiculously huge bracelets.

Why did they decide to reuse Radahn in the DLC, but instead of actually giving us prime pre-rot Starscourge Radahn, we get this young twink form? Doesn't it defeat the purpose since people wondered what prime Radahn was like since the game launched?

>>718064263
complaining about that is like asking why bloodborne’s dlc didn’t let you fight gehrman when he was a young badass hunter, because that’s not the story being told

>>718064263
Because that's supposed to be him in his prime

>>718056959
>>718055872

Because his power was shapeshifting while he was alive and no one fucking believes me. It explains why his body is so cancerous, it just doesnt stop growing and shifting.

Elden lorefags, redpill me on the Sun in ER. Is it the Greater Will? Is it something else? Is it even there?

>>718066021
lorewise, miquellas unalloyed gold and the haligtrees symbolism suggest the sun is ignored in favor of the erdtrees light, the golden order literally replaces natural cosmology with divine propaganda

Tell me why dark souls isnt elden ring in the future. The dark sign is clearly a rune

>>718066253
Yeah, but the Sun is still there. Or at least it seems to be. While the Erdtree is a very prominent lightshow in the sky, the actual daylight comes from the Sun, it is its light that casts the shadows.
But I'm more interested in the true nature of the Sun as a celestial object, rather than the object of worship in the Lands Between. Seeing how most, if not all, celestial bodies and other phenomena are related to, or are themselves some sort of cosmic beings. Surely it can't be just some boring old ball of plasma, right?

>>718053495
I believe this to some extent because how deathblight is handled in this game is extremely sloppy.
There are revived creatures that are harmed by healing incantations (wraiths/revenants), but resist holy damage. There are revived creatures that are unaffected by healing incantations, but are weak to holy damage (skeletons). There are skeletal creatures that are obviously too old to be related to Godwyn that are still consistently associated with his stuff, like gravebirds or death birds or the skeletal beastmen. Some of which are even supposed to be agents of Outer Gods.
The second dancing lion boss in the DLC uses deathblight for no justifiable reason. What the wormfaces are is basically incomprehensible.
One could interpret that deathblight is older than Godwyn, but then they'd have to explain why everyone thinks it came from him, then.

Godwyn's entire thing is extremely underdeveloped and either was coherent once and was then made incoherent because too much square shaped stuff was jammed into the round hole of TWLID, or it was just always a grab bag of all weird and disconnected things.
>>718053301 (OP)
Maliketh had to stay physically locked way in Farum Azula with no contact because if he got out, he'd hunt Marika down and kill her.
What about Guraanq in Dragonbarrow? He's really not exactly the same thing as Maliketh. It is similar to how in the Ranni questline you meet the Baleful Shadow and Blaidd in two different places at the same time, and one of which is way stronger than the other. Gurranq is to Maliketh what Blaidd is to the Baleful Shadow. The more 'sane' and 'repressed' persona that exists parallel to the other who is more of a sleeper agent for the Two Fingers.

>>718053301 (OP)
The Rune of Death brings about destined death. The ritual made Godwyn's destined death non-existent.

>>718066480

its not the greater will, the theory is that its probably a probably a leftover from the fire giants age, tied to the fell god, when marika took over, the erdtrees glow replaced it as the “sun” of the lands between, thats why in places outside the erdtrees reach (caelid, mountaintops) you see weird red/burning suns (old power bleeding through)
the real sun is just the buried eye of a defeated god

>>718066021
The Sun is most closely associated with Godwyn, if anything.
His skeletons all carry the Sun Realm shield and the Eclipse that was supposed to do something (revive him/kill him/whatever) is also commonly associated with his followers, like the Mausoleum Ghosts. Castle Sol might have the last bit of the Haligtree talisman locked away, but the Castle is/was probably dedicated to Godwyn more so than Miquella. That being why it's covered in Banished Knights ghosts and houses the Church of the Eclipse.

In terms of cosmology, we get nothing.
Maybe its the Greater Will or something, but we can only say that because we have examples of other celestial bodies being Gods, and not by anything literally said in the text.
But otherwise the Sun is mostly used as a symbol of guidance and the concept of Grace has replaced it as meaning 'light' for most people. Goldmask and the Dung Eater both wear suns on them, but those suns represent Grace instead of the celestial body. Maybe Godwyn being associated with the actual Sun rather than it as a symbol of Grace is meaningful here. His ending does seem to dim the Erdtree, which would make the Sun more obvious as a light source.

It's interesting to me that in both Shadow of the Erdtree and Nightreign they started with this concept of a bunch of total randoms coming together for a single purpose and both times they didn't really do much with it. I guess the nature of how those games' mechanics work pretty much necessitates everything happening offscreen which results in a piecemeal hollow plot but "rich lore". At least they both actually have the event happening at the time of the game rather than being a zombie janny centuries after everything interesting happened like all the Souls games.
But I don't think you could realistically do having an actual cast of characters you journey with in a soulslike. Their engine certainly doesn't support it for one thing, but even if they somehow got around that, how would it work mechanically? Armoured Core just has fuckers bleating in your ear which is kind of a cheap way around it.

>>718067330
I haven't played Nightreign, but the set up to Shadow of the Erdtree really is one of its strongest assets. And the first few hours when you're meeting a lot of these people for the first time and getting a feel for their personalities and stuff is a good one.
Then they have the standard Souls thing where they all vanish and appear in random locations and often require you to do a quite specific series of actions to get something useful out of them which is all extremely rote by now. At least they talk about one another, which is better than usual FromSoft writing.
The final battle is a good one, however. Even if some of the fighters have a better build up than others.

>>718067173
Speaking of Grace. I remember there being some lore fluff in the DLC saying that Marika "took the gold and made it hers" or something like that. So, it can be assumed the whole Grace of Gold inherits the Gold concept from a more ancient power. And Gold is often associated with the Sun, like Silver is with the Moon (although I think it might be the other way around in Japan).

>>718066670
I always thought it was the usual "one of the 6 billions outer God is trying to insert its influence into the world", with Godwyn just being the turning point from "it's seeping a bit through the cracks" to "oh god it's flooding everywhere and getting organized".

>>718066764
>>718067173
What looks like solar worship is really propaganda for the Greater Will’s replacement of the real cosmic order. Godwyn becomes the “Prince” under this fake sun, and his half-death is a literal rot inside that imposed order.

>>718066670
>Maliketh had to stay physically locked way in Farum Azula with no contact because if he got out, he'd hunt Marika down and kill her
She could call for him before breaking the ring

>>718070132
Even just thinking too hard about it sets off the Shadow, it seems.
Iji locks Blaidd in prison when Ranni sets off for Nokstella, and she hasn't managed to get even close to the Two Fingers to kill them by the time that he invades as the Baleful Shadow.