Thread 718065625

>>718065625 (OP)
Only Shark Card addicted zoomers didn't like RDR2

now show what happens when you shoot yourself in the head

>>718065625 (OP)
Details matter
https://youtu.be/QK1wH1YHvaQ

>>718065696
This. G-fuel guzzling ADHD riddled tweakers hated the game because it at 100mph and has dopamine text sprinkled onto the screen every three seconds

>>718065625 (OP)
Having things being really detailed and realistic is neat but has nothing to do with gameplay.
At the end of the day RDR2 gameplay consisted of easy chases, races, and dead eye gun fights.
It was carried entirely by its graphics and story.

The more shit I see like this the more I'm convinced nu-rockstar cares more about visual detail than gameplay depth. The systems that would have been needed to make the world seem real are non existent but the horses balls shrink.

>>718065625 (OP)
that's not a good example of this game's attention to deets
just post a webm of the clouds

>>718066413
They need to hire new mission designers. Somebody like Looking Glass in their prime.

>>718066413
>The systems that would have been needed to make the world seem real
Name them.

>>718065696
>>718065896
immersion is only as good as the world it immerses you into.
In this case, its a California faggot's version of the Wild West. Not that compelling.

>prequel
>movie game
yawn

>>718066413
>The systems that would have been needed to make the world seem real are non existent
Like what?

>>718065625 (OP)
Se should deploy every zoomer boys & girls so we can start new generation with clone babys

cool, cool... now play a story mission

>>718065696
I didn't like the game because I wanted to play as a cowboy, not watch an old man be a cowboy. If I wanted that, I would've watched a Sergio Leone movie or something.

>>718066563
a mission system which doesn't put invisible walls around the mission area and doesn't punish you for using the wrong weapon.
Every item being lootable, having physics.
NPC scedules and every house being explorable.

But the normie mind couldn't handle any of that. They want their comfortable movie game.

>>718066951
does he ever sleep?

>>718067470
Okay, this made me think about a Bethesda game set in the West... Wait.

>>718067470
Wow, imagine a Rockstar game with good cop AI, schedules and missions that don't fail you for walking too far away or using the wrong weapon. What an amazing world that would be.

>>718067115
The camp system doesn't matter, cops are still psychic, missions don't allow for any kind of deviations etc

>>718065625 (OP)
I tried playing RDR2 but it was way WAY too on-rails. Game didn't let you do fucking anything. Maybe it opens up several hours in but I'm not sitting through hours of boredom to get to the good parts.

>>718068119
good job king

>>718067470
Don't disagree with you but take into account those elements would turn the game into an RPG like Skyrim. They probably don't want to scare normies.

>>718066951
i remember seeing someone compare an animation of some minor npc actually eating his meal in rdr2 compared to a similar animation in cyberpunk where he just eats the same food over and over and its like oh my god who the fuck cares, who watches that shit for hours on end. i swear rockstar fans care more about minor shit like that than good gameplay.

>>718068506
filtered

>>718066951
Ultima VIII had that shit figured out. Every single RPG with day-night cycle later copied it (Morrowind, Gothic, and everything following).

>>718065625 (OP)
Based. This is why Elden Ring, BotW and Cybershit 2077 haven't even sold half of what it has.

>>718068119
i played for a bit but i just found it boring.
it felt like GTA 4 with a wild west skin. i also don't tend to like AAA cinematic games in general

>>718065696
or people born before 2000 who played the original and other good games with good stories and gameplay and so had a reference point to compare with the heaping pile of horse manure that was RDR2.

>>718065625 (OP)
/v/ will pretend it cares about game design by shitting on RDR2, but then all /v/ plays is gacha slop, literal VNs like Danganronpa or tranny simulators like Deltarune.

>>718069089
/v/ is not one person, newfag

>>718068506
I care a little bit, though I partially agree with you that it's a bit overblown. To be fair though, a game like cyberpunk could've upped the levels of mundane details just a little bit and it'd be fine. Have you seen the plates of food they're eating? Legit N64 level of polygons and textures.

>>718067470
>I want the game to have real system
>okay what systems
>I want it to be like oblivion
I don’t even disagree that R* can refine their formula but Jesus Christ whenever I see people actually criticize R* its always midwits like you who want to add stupid shit instead of actually improve the game while keeping it a R* game

>>718069110
Yes it is.

>>718065625 (OP)
>oh wow what attention to detail... Let me just do something that's a little bit different than what the game wants and see how it react-AAAACK

>>718065625 (OP)
Yes.. Shooting arrows on a board is the sole reason for all those sales

>>718069251
nta but why do we need missions at all? RDR2's story was dogshit. And it was woke. It's the worst part of the game. The world is king. How much fucking money did they waste on story? Take that money and put it into the world and actually populating it with interesting fucking things to see and do. Refine the gameplay so the shooting isn't absolute dogshit that requires the abuse of Dead Eye just to be functional on controller (what it was made for). Give me good minigames. Give me cool weapons/customization. I don't give a fuck about some faggot failed writer and his 105 IQ story and characters. I really don't.

>>718069583
You clearly do, this os the board that has spent a decade crying that MGSV was a videogame and not a movie full of cutscenes, that constantly slurps up narrative-focused trash like Undertale and has never liked anything for gameplay reasons.

>>718069540
Sorry, Arthur put his left leg in front of him first when walking instead of the right one, time to restart the mission.

>>718069583
RDR2's world is maybe the most detailed of them all, to the point where a Youtuber has dedicated his channel to making vids about all the shit and the lore of every place in it and after half a decade he's still making vids.

The reason /v/ has a hateboner for RDR2 is because you fags swore it would flop and it didnt, that's it.

For /v/ to like RDR2 it would need to star a woman, to have a character creator to make her pretty, and the story should be a hecking wholesome plot about cute lesbians.
Basically, its not feminine enough for /v/

If you want to get /v/ to play any game just think
>what would an angsty 13 year old girl like

>>718069583
>Why do we need missions at all
Buddy just wants GTA Online, really though a game needs a story and structure. Players like a series of progress and don’t want to be dumped in an aimless world with no real goal. Now there are many players who play sandbox games without ever engaging with the main story but every game needs an end goal. Even shit like Minecraft has one. People suck off GTA4 to no end because of its main story

>>718069251
I guess that's fair. You can enjoy your movie slop and I can enjoy my Bethesda slop. I just think it's a bit of a waste for so few games to fully realize what makes videogames unique: the interactivity and simulation.

>>718065625 (OP)
>>718066951
Specifically "sold" copies, but I can guarantee that 98% of people that bought the game never played it beyond the first hour. Literally talk to everyone you know that kept singing this game's praises, out of 20 only 1 will say he completed the game himself, others dropped it instantly, watched some cutscenes on youtube or a streamer's playthrough and that's it.

>>718067876
Name more, beccause those are 3 things, one being unrelated to systems, and only the 2nd remotely compromising the enitre experience to a significant degree. I'm sure RDR2 could have used for improvements, I can think of some, but most that bitch about the game literally just weren't capable of appreciating it.

>>718070209
>anecdotical evidence

>>718070209
>just ask other people
Let me guess, you are an American.

>>718070320
>>718070391
>40% completion rate of the 2nd Chapter of the game.

>>718066413
rdr 2 is 99% visuals, story, and details. the actual gameplay is so fucking terrible right from the most basic start; moving your character feels like shit. rdr 1 had a better story, better gameplay, and a better setting. plus, john marstons voice actor just sounded like that. arthur's voice actor is an irishman doing some insane fake american accent. if you look up the soundtrack to 2, the most popular song is "american venom" which is just the theme of 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-BIqqSe1nU

>>718069740
nigger why do you people think /v/ is one person? seriously get your fucking heads checked.

>>718066612
This

>>718069830
i hate the game because it is a bad game and an inferior sequel and yet everyone loves it. that's why i hate it, you faggot.

>>718070449
Because you are, this place is the closest to a hivemind on the internet and it never has legitimate opinions, its always about posturing.
Just look at the games /v/ does genuinely discuss and you'll see this place has the worst, most feminine taste in games on the internet.

>>718070505
No you dont, most of /v/ is around the same age as the first game.
/v/ bases its opinions on giving a certain impression.
/v/ will pretend to hate on RDR2 to feign a higher taste while playing utter garbage like gacha slop and Deltatroon.

>>718068119
It's not even that long till you get out of the mountains. People have no patience. Also, if you do get to the good parts, when it does open up, don't just start beaming through story missions, because those are where the game is most limited. Most of my time spent was not just in story missions. It's a thing I've noticed, that those who say the game is boring only did that. Why they do that I don't know, because it never occurred to me to box myself into that, I did a number of other things and found the game to be one of the better modern AAA game experiences I've had.
Many valid criticsims exist for this game's design, and the least of all of them is "MUH BORING".

>>718070589
AGAIN YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS /V/ IS NOT ONE FUCKING PERSON I'M 35 FUCKING YEARS OLD AND PLAYED RDR1 ON LAUNCH YOU FUCKING ABSOLUTE NIGGER JEW KIKE FAGGOTS

>>718068601
You have to be White to appreciate stuff like that

>>718065625 (OP)
That's cool and everything, but why does the game completely lack a cohesive and entertaining narrative? Why is there repeatable missions in its prequel and not in it? Why is there less variety of gameplay, too?

I had fun with RDR2 even if its slow, though exploring is more fun than the missions.
Uronically, the most boring games are the ones I've seen /v/ recommend, like Nier Automata, felt like MGR but gay and for women.

>>718070678
you have to be a nigger to be distracted by that to the point that you think it's a good game.

>>718068506
that's why it takes rockstar 12 years to put out a mediocre game. the "game" part is what they care about the least. you have awful character movement, awful shooting, awful horse riding, awful everything, but the graphics and details are unmatched. it's why i pirate rockstar games, and i'm bored and uninstall in 5 hours tops. looking at a mission list for rdr 2, i stopped after "good honest snake oil". that's around the half way point of chapter 2. the game is 8 chapters long. it's such an unberably shit feeling game to play.

>>718070645
You absolutely are, you girly faggots, go play some more The Sims.

>>718067470
>Every item being lootable, having physics
>every house being explorable
Why? Literally for what reason would you prioritize this over anything else?

>>718070689
>>718070780
The irony is that /v/ will say this and then insist MGS1, a game with the worst gameplay of the stealth genre and genuinely the lowest IQ plot in videogames, is a masterpiece.

>>718070645
I don't hate the game, but found it mediocre in the most vital areas of game play. It's especially galling because it obviously could have been so much more fun and involved.

>>718065696
Seethe more boomtard. I'll keep playing GTA Online and I will buy GTA 6 on Day 1.

>>718070863
As silly as MGS1 is, it's got a more engaging and entertaining plot than RDR2. The gameplay has aged poorly in some area, but in other ways it's still very direct effective in what it set out to do, and does it exceedingly well.

>>718070174
Me being able to swing a plate around like an tard and staring at an NPC go to sleep for 8 ingame hours is not the precipice of interactivity and gaming. GTA4 let me pick up and throw a brick on the ground but I never used it because it’s a novelty not an actual game mechanic. You want to improve a R* game, target its fundamentals. Like I don’t know, not making the combat feel so mediocre and actually reuse Max Payne 3’s combat so combat isn’t always a slog but a reward. Or go back to adding meaningful rewards to side content so I would do them. I deliver pizzas in a classic GTA game and I get a permanent health upgrade, I spend hours getting 50 submarine parts in GTAV and I get $57 as a final reward. What’s the point. Put unique items and vehicles in locations around the map to make it worth exploring. Stop making the missions so braindead easy. Make money actually do something instead of just fashion funds. Put preconditions in missions to so I can engage with the side content(like Saints Row 2 and respect) but in a sensible way like I need $100k to start the mission or need to own a certain type of business. Everything in a R* game feels so disconnected to eachother and it’s sucks

>>718070847
You prefer shrinking horse balls?

>>718070320
>>718070391
you fags are the same as soulstards
defending shit

Never played RDR 2, but pirated RDR 1 when it got a PC port and didn't really like it that much. It's a good game but at a certain point I just wanted to be done with it, Mexico took all the wind from my sails.
Had I played it on release it would have definitely been a favorite of mine.

>>718070863
it is a masterpiece. it's presentation, music, cinematic nature, and especially voice acting were literally groundbreaking. all that wrapped into a really fun to play game, with lots of replayability. 2 improved on it in every way, and then 3 did the same. rockstar has had the exact same ass missions since gta 3. that's literally 17 years of making the same boneheaded, nothing missions. guess what gta 6 is gonna have after 10 years of development? the exact same nothing missions where even walking 5 feet from the set path instantly fails you.

>>718065625 (OP)
>OP when you have to cook healing items one by one for several minutes because "realism"
>OP when he has to watch geriatric old man hands peruse a book instead of having a drop down menu because "realism"
>OP when he has to redo all of his equipment because he rode his horse for 20 feet because "realism"
>OP when a civilian magically teleports into the world to tattle on you for self-defense because "realism"
>OP when every action Arthur/John makes needs a half second of lag because "realism"
>mfw Redemption 1 will always be better because it didn't forget to be a video game because it needs to make sure I watched every superfluous animation RockStar whipped their nigger slaves through 100 hour work weeks to make multiple times

>>718071096
>rockstar has had the exact same ass missions since gta 3
Nah that's not fair to Rockstar. They've been getting worse with every game.

>>718068119
I played almost 400 hours of Red Dead Online but can't for the life of me get into the story mode. Too bad R* doesn't care about RDO.

>>718070956
No its not, MGS1's plot denotes whoever wrote it is genuinely stupid.
What the fuck are "soldier genes"?
Why the fuck is some guy threatening to nuke the US because he (and likely the writer) has no idea how recessive genes work?
Why is this war veteran I'm playing as going "uwuu i didnt know girls could be so cute" like some teen in a Japanese VN?
Why does it have forced action sequences despite having the worst shooting mechanics ever made in a videogame?

>>718071096
The music? Thats the worst one, why the fuck does this military game open up with this gay almost romantic and completely jarring song?
I played MGS1 for the first time in 2019 and it was a miserable experience, its a badly made videogame with one of the most stupid plots ever.

>>718070847
Could make for some fun dynamic gameplay moments where you take some citizens hostage or escape the cops through some houses or can use improvised weapons to fight off people.

>>718071193
And I forgot about the constant dumbass toddler humor that permeates the entire game like it was some shitty Marvel movie.
MGS1 feels like somehow they gave a 12 year old the reigns of a game studio.

>>718071193
>why the fuck does this military game
you missed the point entirely. it's not a military game at all. the game practically screams "war bad" at you as often as it can. the game fucking starts with a disillusioned soldier that wants nothing to do with the world's problems.

>>718071353
>expecting RDR2fags to understand how stories are written when they need lines like "I feel you're going to betray me someday, Arthur..."

>>718070967
The side quests not mattering is how gaming market has responded to terminally online generation. If side quest gives permanent meaningful upgrades like max hp, this generation HAS TO do them since thats what minmax guides on internet/"did you know?" clips on TikTok/YT say. Hence they grind 50 pizza deliveries the point they become available, then leave a negative review since "the game was too heavy on repetitive side content and too easy (after spending 30 hours grinding from 100hp to 800hp)". The side quests are optional content for those who still want more only if they offer money and exp.

>>718071353
And? It's still a military themed game, is just it feels closer to a fucking teenage high school drama.
The entire plot reeks line it was written by a kid.

>>718071452
You say this when MGS1 unironically has shit like
>HURR MY LIFE BELONGS ON THE BATTLEFIELD
or, again, "soldier genes"?
The fucking game says the US government unironically thought a guy being a good soldier is genetical.
MGS1 has one of the dumbest fucking plots ever, it all happens because every character, much like Kojima, has an average IQ of 80.

>>718071472
Those "minmaxers" are an extreme minority, legit 0,01% of players, most people just don't borther with anything but following the story.

>>718071452
Arthur never betrayed the gang. He was stood with everyone who still believed in the gang and werent just trying to grift. Its Dutch who betrayed the gang. This is good writing, lampshading his growing paranoia without being clear-cut with the information you had available at that point. Way to miss basic story beats if they arent spelled out for you retard.

>>718070604
I did all side quests and skinning upgrades, I can confidently say that rdr2 is the most polished ubisoft openworld game I have ever played. There is never a point where the world "opens up" past you helped a guy build a house or help a workers strike on a railroad. Meanwhile I go on a fucking rampage in Valentine in the main story and come right back afterwards with no bounty and the town as populated as it ever was, I can suck poison out of one assholes leg everywhere on the map all the time. I got excited when I built johns farm thinking "finally they'll let me do something other than shoot and gamble" sure enough I can dump milk on the ground and play an animation of moving hay.

>>718068506
Who cares? You fags are still simping for that ice melting part in MGS2 anyway.

>>718065696
>Demanding gameplay in your video game is bad actually.
Not to mention the whole "Zoomers only like fast paced games!" meme is fucking retarded, but I'm expecting too much from the average /v/ermin.

>>718065625 (OP)
The gunplay is the most basic thing in the game... also combat, inventory and equipment management.

>>718071760
Doom Eternal had plenty of gameplay, and yet it completely mindbroke this place.

>>718071589
>The fucking game says the US government unironically thought a guy being a good soldier is genetical.
1. that's not what's said at all, the second greatest soldier ever produced by america was cloned, because the logic is "one snake good, lots of snake better". but the original defected in a cataclysmic way, so the clones were altered to die young to stop that from happening.

2. the us military has literally researched psychic abilities. they still do to this day.

>>718071608
Its not about minmaxing per se. They dont understand the mechanics, they just do what guides tell them. Google "do you play games blind or with guides" and most results have overwhelming majority saying they do. Then use wayback machine to check the same result from 2005. The replies are overwhelmingly negative.

>>718071472
Devs can’t compromise to shitters, it’s what made games so damn boring. Regardless of how you feel on Souls shit they never fully compromised to bad players and now it’s more normalized to not have braindead gameplay. R* is in a position to sell on name brand alone so they can actually make the game more engaging and complex without losing money. Compared to GTA3 you can play GTAV and RDR2 with your eyes closed

>>718069740
>MGSV was a videogame and not a movie full of cutscenes
But it sucked as a videogame, with unfinished and buggy mechanics?

>>718065625 (OP)
>>718065696
The game has a, generally, pretty good story with great acting and a lot of interesting immersive elements but the gameplay is just not that good. Too much of it is riding and talking and then missions where immersion is ruined by shooting 1,000 people. Overall I liked the game, but if someone told me it was too slow for them I wouldn't assume they're dumb. The pace of the game is glacial. Slow things are not inherently more intelligent, and even with the good acting a lot of the game is still just cowboy tropes. Not like it is some intellectual deconstruction of the Western like Unforgiven or something.

>>718071958
>that's not what's said at all, the second greatest soldier ever produced by america was cloned, because the logic is "one snake good, lots of snake better". but the original defected in a cataclysmic way, so the clones were altered to die young to stop that from happening.
They say the Gulf War Syndrome happened because they injected Big Boss genes on people thinkinh it would make them better soldiers.
It's the most stupid shit ever.
Plus, its obvious Kojima has never actually met any war veterans, because none of them act like one.
They certainly dont behave like little kids like Snake does.

Let her vote.

>>718071906
That’s because Doomfags are autistic fucking contrarians with a “one cake” mindset when they’re blessed with a quality line-up of titles other fandoms would kill to have the longevity of.

>>718072109
And previous MGS games were even worse, boasting the very bottom of the barrel of stealth genre gameplay, with by far, the worst shooting mechanics ever in a game.
You fags have never cared about gameplay, you just want le hecking plot even though the plots you do like are utter garbage like MGS, Undertale or that emo twin incest "game".

>>718072115
what is your complain exactly? that metal gear solid isn't a boring real life portrayal? neither is red dead redemption 2. arthur morgan is written like a man out of time. his entire belief system in everything he does was plucked out of modern times, which is actual insanity for what the game is trying to be.

>>718071589
There is a genetic component to a good soldier. High physical strength (protein synthesis coding genes make this more likely) and willingness to obey orders despite personal danger (component of certain developmental disorders that both humans and dogs have, albeit for different genetical reasons. All dogs have this disorder, that is what separates them from wolves: they are desperate for your in-group leadership but are aggressive towards outsiders) for example. And before you go all mental acrobatics on me: sure, having genes promoting these traits wont 100% mean you'll become super soldier, but far higher fraction of people with said genes will become good soldiers than those without (random sampling ie normal draft)

>>718072404
Pretty sure Arthur’s final message to John was to give up on being a criminal and work an honest life with his wife and kid. Not sure what’s insane about his outlook in life

>>718072404
RDR2 is a realistic details sim when it’s convenient
And just a game/story when it isn’t
That’s how it always goes with Rocksharts

>>718066413
Shit like this leads to gameplay depth though. You would be able to hit enemies behind thin cover like this if you used improved arrows.

>>718072090
In ideal world, devs shouldnt compromise. But then again, in ideal world something as absurd as communism would work.
Companies arent your friends trying to make as good games as possible for you to enjoy out of goodness of their hearts. They exist to make money. If something hurts their bottom line it has to go. If majority of players are casuals (they are) who enjoy simple toys, thats what you cater to.

>>718070678
I disagree, that's what fake whites do.
Real whites go hiking, I have a local spot that I enjoy personally and tell no one (and especially internet fags) about and then a couple times a year I'll have a trip to the PoT for an eclipse or a mountain and do some hiking there.
I've seen niggers play tons of RD2, I saw 0 niggers at colchuk lake above leavenworth

>>718072404
That it's pure non-sense, nothing about it resembles real life, nothing about it is plausible even though it tries really hard to comment on war, but nothing comes out of that.
Might have to do with the main characters being literal manchildren who believe in Santa Claus or the endless toddler humor, might be related to Kojima being basically a toddler in a grandpa's body.
This dude just has absolutely no idea what he wants to tell, even though he'll waste the entire game's run on narrative dumps.

And I don't care about RDR2 because I just wanted Blood Meridian, not a prequel to the utter non-character Marston is.

>>718072485
No, but thinking genes are the sole key to being a soldier is utterly retarded.
The game just has no idea how genetics work.

>>718072498
arthur morgan will go from women's rights to beating the shit out of a sick man in front of his wife and kids in a heartbeat. at best, he's poorly written. at worst, he was written by a schizophrenic that forgot what he wrote a day later. arthur's writing is literally an on/off switch that exists for the coinvinience of the writer.

>>718066391
Same thing with GTA IV, yet /v/edditors will call you a filtered zoomer for pointing it out

>>718072134
>This and the one womens right mission made /v/ go wild for good half a year
>In-game this woman is purposefully obnoxious and painted in bad light, while in mission Arthur says the ladies are gonna get killed for doing such stupid stuff, their leader does and no one bats an eye, they had it coming

This is Rockstar's real masterpiece (Bully is 2nd)

>>718071906
Now that I think about it, how are zoomers the ones being labeled adhd dopamine addicts when arcade games, fighting games, quake, unreal tournament, ect were all the rage back then? Faggots here will probably claim zoomers were fragging out in our dad's ballsacks. The fact that those genres and franchises are all dying in favor of battle royals that see fire fights every 20 minutes and corner staring simulators like cs2 and valorant should imply the opposite really. I only see the zoomer adhd argument specifically as a scapegoat when defending R*'s Horse Ass spectator game.

>>718072734
This is a core problem with a fleshed out player character, if you allow them to have b and c plots of character development Asynchronous from the main story you will have wild swings in the characters behavior in events. Events that, from the players eyes, seemed to have taken place hours apart or within the same day.
I believe the wokies call this ludonarrative dissonance.

>>718072852
You fuck young boys, anon?

>>718072647
>But what about the money
Pretty sure Elden Ring sold like 30 million+ copies. It likely would have sold less if it was more compromising on its difficulty

>>718072725
>No, but thinking genes are the sole key to being a soldier is utterly retarded.
holy shit you double nigger that's literally never the point. the logic is if you take a top tier soldier, and give them big boss's genes, that should give you the hypothetical best soldier ever, and a process you can repeat forever. it's standard super soldier logic. the main villain is obsessed with this, because he was used as a test subject, and a child soldier. he was never stable at any point in his life, and his goal was to be exactly the opposite of what the government wants, that same big boss defection. turns out, liquid was literally the super soldier he didn't thin he was, and solid was the runt. you're the person that screams media literacy, while being media illiterate.

>>718072852
Rockstar were the secondary developers on this game.

>>718072725
(-485 here)
Yeah, the game doesnt have in-depth idea how genes work, but thats understandable considering the game came out in 1998. Internet wasnt exactly commonplace then and even wikipedia was 50% bullshit back then. The basic idea is there however and its shown that the soldiers also go through training and conditioning, so there is definitely also a social molding part. In my opinion its a fairly good premise coming from 1998. I think that you're adding to the script: they talk about creating army of super soldiers in the sense that their army will be superior to all other armies that are based on draft/voljnteers with heterogenous soldier quality, not that their armies will be full of soldiers taking down 30 MG Rexes for fun. Hell, this is shown by mere fact that they intend to use them as massed soldiers, not individual spec ops infiltrators with massive resources and multiple people watching over each individual.

>>718072976
it's 100% ludonarrative dissonance., and it fails catastrophically for niko bellic, 2 of the 3 protags in gta 5, and arthur morgan. it works great with claude speed, because he doesn't speak, and is a criminal as soon as you start. it also works great for tommy vercetti, and cj, because they're also both total lunatics. when you randomly kill tons of people, they shit talk them. they're comically psychotic.

>>718072734
Ah yes the telltale sign of a person who actually didn’t play the game but just vomits out shit points is the “he’s super pro women’s rights guys” that shit is like a retard magnet because he doesn’t go there to support the women he does it so he can get in good graces with a family to rob. Why do people like you even comment on this shit. What do you gain from lying

>>718072734
>at worst, he was written by a schizophrenic that forgot what he wrote a day later. arthur's writing is literally an on/off switch that exists for the coinvinience of the writer.
Committee writing in a nutshell. Take Two is a publicly traded company.

>>718065625 (OP)
Their games are still shit thoughbeit

>>718065625 (OP)
>>718065696

Horse balls was the thing that made sell besides onions morgan

I didnt like rdr 2 cause it was a shit prequel of RDR1 that i prefer playing as dutch javier etc with the gta 5 dynamic and a more wild west timeline just how the game starts as oregon trail scape knockoff and blackwater was totally skiped

>>718073308
happened with kratos too. every scene where he goes
>BOY, CONTROL YOURSELF
one nano second later the game goes
>MASH TRIANGLE TO GO SPARTAN RAGE SICKO MODE
and i just wonder if these writers are present. not at work, i just mean present in real life.

>>718072115
Yeah, injecting genetic material into people with the goal of a positive change but it actually causes adverse effects. What a fake and gay plot.
So, are you Pfizer-senpai or moderna-momma?

>>718071130
RDR1 poker >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RDR2 poker
This shit is proof their games get downgraded and nobody cares because nobody actually plays or finishes their games

>>718073034
>give them big boss's genes
And that's when the story goes from typical anime bad to Saturday morning cartoon show-tier.

And Liquid, the guy completely obsessed with genes, has no clue what a recessive gene is.
Nothing about this game's story, which I was told is a masterpiece, makes sense.

It has no idea what genes are, it has no idea about how war veterans are or how geopolitics work.

Anyone that insists MGS1 is good must have played it as a kid.

>you're the person that screams media literacy, while being media illiterate.
No I'm not, that's a term used by the kind of people who think the Star Wars sequels aren't trash.

>>718066951
>blows the sawdust away
Kek, that's actually a neat detail.

>>718071130
Beyond based

>>718073415
The idea of using gene therapy to transfer a "soldier's skills" is genuinely the dumbest plot point I've seen in any media, yes.
I just have no clue why Kojima keeps insisting on going on about shit he has no clue about.
This guy's understanding of the world must have come from reading the first paragraph of Wikipedia articles and action blockbusters.

>>718073397
kratos fits cause after all he experienced its impossible he achieve 100% chill status without jesuschrist miracles, arthur its the moralist smartfag that always complains, do nothing to leave or fix it and that problem bite his ass at the end ( ragnarok kratos writing sucks that i agree)

>>718072890
Average attention span has gone down. This is indisputable fact. However that isnt the real explaining factor, only a supplementing factor. The issue is that old shits (like me, 42 lmao) see these zoomers in workplace doing bare minimum without their "work ethic". What we old fellas blissfully ignore is that at our age we got personal training in our jobs (usually a fucking WEEK of someone watching over you and helping so you get up to speed) and the money you got went a lot farther. In my first summer job I made 21$ an hour adjusted for today's wages working at a warehouse. That'd mean I could cover my university tuition, housing and other expenses simply by working part time. And the work was EASY with tons of lazing aroung. The work felt worth it. Nowadays the wages in similar positions have gone from 11$ to 12,50$ while everything costs so much more that its closer to 7$.

What I'm saying is that if I got 7$ instead of 20$ and had to work twice as hard with zero training, I wouldnt be interested in doing my best either. Its not ADHD, its the work not being rewarding enough to give a shitm

I liked a playthrough, but I can't do a repeat; too many slow sections.

>>718065625 (OP)
>8 years in the making
>Game doesn't have a custom cursor
Yup it's shit

>>718072725
>I just wanted Blood Meridian
I can tell you haven't even read a page of the book

>>718074073
You can't tell jack shit.

>>718073648
Oh, so that other anon is right and you're hyperfixating on one thing without understanding the rest of the plot.
OK, here's how you can get it:
>take your meds
>play the game
There's a reason the clones are going through training. It's because they still need training, the genetic foundation is just a foundation.
You're also applying $CURRENT_YEAR knowledge to a game from 1998. Do you hate madmax for not having hybrids and EVs?

>>718073946
Its a story game, like an interactive movie. Watching same movie again would be boring too, unless it was an exceptional movie
Playing RDR2 way later was such for me though. I picked up tons of shit in story I missed in the first time around, like Micah not being just paper-thin bad guy, but instead this was intentional plot device underlining Dutch's personal shortcoming of being borderline narcissist who wants to be a "good leader", ultimately leading to gangs downfall. Without Micah's influence on Dutch's personality traits is driving the downfall, and he was ultimately just a rat looking out for himself. No one in gang liked Micah except Dutch. He was willing to look past all red flags because Micah's cocksucking fed his narcissism and "no one else was clean either". Its not just "this guy bad and Dutch is stupid/goes crazy". There is intention in the writing.

>>718074291
Because it makes this "masterpiece" of a plot completely fall apart.
>There's a reason the clones are going through training.
Its irrelevant, the only way for MGS1 to make sense is to introduce a plot point saying that Liquid and the people in charge of the US military all developed brain damage way before the game's events.

>current year
Nigger we've known about recessive genes for almost 200 years.
It's just Kojima and whoever wrote that game are a bunch of uneducated morons, which is fine, everyone has the right to be stupid, but at least dont pretend you aren't one, and you fags stop saying this pile of non-sensical drivel is some kind of masterpiece.

>>718072852
lol retard

>>718065625 (OP)
>start a mission
>use your bow to kill an enemy
>select a non-default arrow
>MISSION FAILED

this is the life...

stopped playing the second you enter saddies home at the start and have to loot it for shit.
>dude just spend 10 seconds inspecting each and every object
the game is fucking bloated and boring

>>718065625 (OP)
a detail no one will ever notice organically is not why the game has sold 75 million copies

also that's not gameplay

>>718075412
this but with a woman tied up instead of the deer

>>718065625 (OP)
>muh immersive detail
>missions spawn thousands of enemies for Orthur to slaughter
>nothing changes outside the mission after depopulating multiple towns several times over
the gameplay is diametrically opposed to the Herculean effort spent to make the world feel more immersive, to the game's great detriment

All rockstar needs is more open ended emergent missions. If the mission is to kill a guy just have him spawn in the overworld doing whatever routine he does and let me figure out how to take him out. You can't even go 5 metres off the path in rdr2 it's much worse than even Gta4 ever was.

They can still have set peice missions but if 70 percent of the game was here are the tools go figure it out it would actually make for a good game.

>>718073775
Based middle age anon with self awareness.

>>718065696
Yeah or maybe i wanted to play as a killer badass cowboy outlaw similar to rdr1 not a dei mess with a crying pussy as an outlaw.
Economy in this game is trash and you get too much money from everything, camp upgrades are pointless, wanted system is shit, only good missions are where you are conning or robbing, i don't want to save native americans, i don't want to be part of a feminist rally or help out some autistic retard to get a gf, i want to rob, murder and the character not crying about it and have a feeling that even though i keep robbing i am not getting shit so i would have to turn to highway robbing, stagecoat robbing, etc..

I just can't get into the game immersion when the character is a complete faggot and i have zero interest in his story or any body else's story in the band for that matter, it's so over the top woke slop; i regret finishing this game expecting something to throw at me but this game is not worth it at all as a cowboy simulator but it is perfect if you are a left leaning basedboy that is very sensitive and hates 'fascists' then this game is perfect for you.

>>718067470
>>718068119
also i think this, i've been spoiled too much by games where you can choose instead of linearity where most "older games" are, the selection of how you can progress is such a refreshing feeling and you notice it instantly when a game is too 'on rails'
>>718071868
I actually agree, guns feel meh after a while, but honestly rockstar always had 'meh' guns and sounds, nothing like cyberpunk guns for example.
>>718073213
Yeah man for sure they didn't put the mission there because they are a woke company but because it is completely realistic and part of the story to put a mission where all we do is just drive a wagon and hear feminist crap and laugh at the men being dumbfounded by this and arthur not being against this at all, him being always a proponent of equal rights.

>>718079093
>Yeah man for sure they didn't put the mission there because they are a woke company but because it is completely realistic and part of the story to put a mission where all we do is just drive a wagon and hear feminist crap and laugh at the men being dumbfounded by this and arthur not being against this at all, him being always a proponent of equal rights.
Btfos in one image

Cinematic third person AAA movie games have got to be the most dogshit genre in existence. Made exclusively for the retard masses.

this game completely BTFO'd broccoli zoomie faggots

>>718080107
based 'tism dad

>>718080107
>>718080195
>>718080257
>"game" is made for geriatrics
LOL

>>718065625 (OP)
nu-gamers don't want to play videogames, they want little gay open-world simulators to have little lives on and escape their "anxiety"

>>718080257
>>718080275
those geriatrics whould blow your nappy nigger head away

>>718073775
Blue collar jobs and apprenticeships are still like this. Most retail or office jobs though expect you to do like five jobs for one paycheck with no training and these businesses wonder why they go under

>>718080107
>>718080195
>>718080257
>>718080359
based old timers
too bad my dad isn't into vidya at all, born in 56 and grew up watching westerns, this game would blow his mind but it's just not his thing sadly

>>718079685
>oh yeah i don't care i'm just a driver
>proceeds to care and do a bunch of shit
>whole game points to arthur multiple times being against 'opressors' and pro western modern values just like the whole dutch gang.
if you can't see it, it's your problem but i cannot see a robber trying to lay low becoming the driver of something that would never happen in the middle of nowhere, honestly i would understand if this rally would take place in saint denis but in some backwater small town? that would never happen nor would those women go out to some rally and then back to their husbands. Even then though, it's missplaced and unecessary and it's obvious that they added that just cause they could and it would be funny, again this is very appeasing for left leaning americans that are pro gay, lgbt and all that, other people just let it pass and it doesn't stick, for others that can see clearly what is done here, it breaks game immersion and atmosphere.

>>718074675
>"masterpiece"
Who are you quoting?
>wahh, everyone is retarded except me. All the characters and the gubmint and (you) and everyone!
Yeah, totally man. Did you know you have to be 18 to post on this site? Why don't you sit here while I find your mother
>recessive genes
True, a monk realized the ratio between dominant and recessive genes in peas. Peas make it much easier as many of their characteristics are only controlled by one gene, while humans tend to be much more complex. Once you get to 9th grade they'll also teach you the human genome wasn't fully sequenced until 2003. Isn't that cool!

>>718080257
kino battlestation to be quite honest

>>718080658
Btfos your entire arguement with a second image. It’s easy when you play the game

>>718080728
Yeah good job you chose the antagonize button, show me now how he responds to the eugenicist/fascist that is against niggers.

I know what i played and your out of place screenshots are irrelevant and you are not making any points besides those out of place screenshots, make your point of argument.

this game released in 2018 which is 7 years ago, and there is not one game that can rivalize with it in terms of how huge, beautiful and detailed the world is at the same time
only games that scratch that itch to me are BOTW and TOTK but it's a different game philosophy, not really comparable
game is literally more next gen that any of the stuff we got since 2020 on the pisstation 5 and shitbox series x

>>718080728
if you think this is somehow calling women dumb as a sex, or is somehow based, you might be a retarded 15 year old chud who still thinks Trump will save the west. Kill yourself, you insipid nigger.

>>718080930
all 3 of those games are terrible slop for normalfaggots who don't know what video games are and are easily distracted by superficial bullshit.

>>718080919
>Mc should support eugenics and should hate niggers
Your need some serious help, take your meds schizo

>>718070430
>but I can guarantee that 98% of people that bought the game never played it beyond the first hour.
R E T A R D

>>718072668
>I saw 0 niggers at colchuk lake above leavenworth
Of course not. None of the niggers are in that area. They're all in Auburn, Kent, Renton, Tacoma, Seattle, Federal Way, and Bellevue.

>>718065625 (OP)
That is unironically incredible. God I love this game.

>>718080919
>>718080931
The funny part is that is the greeting option and the antagonize option are the same. Only difference is that antagonize starts with a “Nobody cares”. This is Arthur’s true option on it

/v/ermin will complain all day about how modern games don't have "cool tech" anymore, then you pull out RDR2 and they go "DUUUUH BUT WHAT'S THE POINT?"
Fucking subhumans

>>718081338
Uh oh, actually evidence from the game instead of Anon's retarded headcanon? His reality is shattered, what is he gonna do now?

>>718081098
See that's how i know you are a brainlet.
If you give me option to appease and be kinda pro feminist movement by using the greet button i expect that i can do the same to the racist but this game obviously is left leaning one sided ideologically, you cannot do go outside those terms and the argument would be 'why would you do that?' but the question really should be, why can't i?
>>718081338
lol
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46uJ_lHVr9w

RDR2 is a straight-up marvel of engineering, and it's a little dispiriting that so many do not see that.

>>718081693
the most impressive part is how they manage to make it run on a fucking Xbone FAT
Absolute hardware/software wizards, and it's not like the game look like absolute shit on previous gen consoles either

>>718081576
No sorry I’m actually correct see :45 he chooses greet
https://youtu.be/38hMucPd9h0?si=OWa8cTlBnIeYF28K
Arthur’s true option is that voting is a waste of time.

>>718081693
>guy at the end doesnt shoot because the player would feel less badass

>>718072793
it's almost like /v/ is purposely trying to be outraged so they can bait for (You)s

>>718072793
It’s funny to think about how your average CoD and Madden normalfag who plays this game doesn’t think Arthur is some woke feminist. A lot of /v/ is actually dumber than your average normalfag because the normalfag played the game and didn’t just mindlessly repeat a incorrect talking point

>>718082217
He's been shot and looks like he's struggling to aim. Feels believable.

>>718066498
>they need to hire a bunch of MIT STEM nerds that are white and like fantasy stuff
Yeah, that would make every game better, but studios don't hire those types.

>>718069740
MGSV has the best gameplay in the series and is the best MGS game because of it.

this has to be a new shilling campaign right?

>>718084379
No need, game already is the top 10 selling games of all time. In fact I wish it was a shilling campaign because R* refuses to upgrade the game for current gen despite selling so much

>>718065625 (OP)
I'll never understand getting obsessed over details like that, if you want to emulate real life just live your fucking life instead of wasting it on a videogame

>>718084525
I didn’t know that I could just get into gun fights in the 19th century in real life

>>718084694
Don't bother talking with disingenuous shit heads.

It's hitting 80 million by years end. Rockstar is in league of their own.

>>718066951
I assume eventually this resets and the planks dissapear and the npc starts pilling them again?

>>718085195
they probably vanish the moment you move a certain distance away

>>718085095
>Rockstar is in league of their own.
More like WAS in a league of their own.
The best people are gone, games will only be made if they can be chock full of micro transactions to rival GTA5s's online.
You just know GTA6 is going to be an unoptimized mess full of greed and politics.

>>718081693
IS IT WRONG THAT I WANNA GET IT ON TIL I DIE?

>>718085062
I hate those titles, algorithm chasing has made YouTube so obnoxious to use

>>718085930
Yeah man they kicked out Leslie Benzies, the guy went on to make Mindseye to compete with GTA6

>>718072110
No it doesn't. A good story does not need to reiterate 50 times every plot point. They had to fill the constant horse riding between missions with something. They chose dialogue. You hear the same plot points repeated ad nauseam by the same handful of characters. Imagine if your favorite movie had an additional 50 seconds of exposition. All 50 have the same characters repeating the same lines of dialogue about the same issue while walking from point A to point B. That's not good writing that's being bad at writing.

>>718086414
50 scenes*

>>718081693
too bad it isn't actually fun to play

>>718086312
I mean RDR2 as a whole is very not replayable. RDR1 is the only R* game that’s even close to a beginning that sucks to replay