Thread 718068998

Just picked up SF6 on the Steam sale. How do I become proficient at this? Do I have to buy a stick? I don't really like the automatic mode included in the game, it feels kind of cheesy to play.,

Another noob picking ken, great

>>718069263
I mean there's like 6 characters in the base game, who the fuck am I supposed to pick

>>718068998 (OP)
>Do I have to buy a stick
nobody uses sticks anymore. Use your keyboard as a ghetto leverless, once you're comfortable with that and if you're still interested in playing you can buy a leverless controller.

>>718070187
Are normal gamepads just shit?

>>718068998 (OP)
you are playing the worst sf game and i'm not even joking. refund and just play guess strike on fightcade

You don't need a stick, it's literally just a controller. Many people find them more comfortable (largely oldfags who got used to fighting games by playing them in arcades) but blowing hundreds on a stick isn't instantly going to make you good at the game.

I suggest you go through the tutorials, then find a youtube video explaining the different character archetypes and pick out one or two you like (for example if you want to play a character with unga offense and gigantic damage try Marisa, if you like the idea of controlling the screen and preventing your opponent from doing anything try Guile and so on) and then just play the game a bit in single player and figure it out. When you think you're ready, find a character guide online and learn some basic combos, then head online. Bear in mind when you go online you're going to get your fucking ass kicked, it happens to everyone. Stick with it for a few matches, go into your replays and see how you fucked up each time, learn from it (in training mode if necessary), then go back online and try it out. Do that over and over often enough and you'll start to pick up wins.

>>718068998 (OP)
Of all the games you could of bought you decided on this shit?

>Do I have to buy a stick?
Nah you can play with the pad if you like. Even some pro players are on pad.

>>718069338
did you not get the season 1 and 2 bundle? that shit is 20 dollars more than the base game and saves you money cuz both season passes are like 60 bucks together

>>718068998 (OP)
also yeah modern is a meme, pad is doable and even good; if you're gonna get a stick go for a Haute42 leverless instead, much cheaper and much more efficient input-wise
I've been playing Honda which is even more reviled than Ken kek. Ken's cool, don't let others push you away from him if you like him. I'm just waiting for Alex to come out so I can get my main back.

>>718070291
i don't have experience with them myself, but pads seem to be just fine for fighting games these days, you even see people make top8 at big tournaments with it - so it can't be that bad.

>>718068998 (OP)
>How do I become proficient at this?
Play matches, practice stuff in training, especially things you found difficult to deal with in matches. Check replays and watch how others are playing the character you like. In general, approach the game as problemsolving and find the solutions to the difficulties you face.
>Do I have to buy a stick?
It's nice, but no. It won't magically make you better, and you'll in fact be worse at first since you have to get used to it. Play with whatever you like the most.
>I don't really like the automatic mode included in the game, it feels kind of cheesy to play.,
Modern is a controversial topic, but it can be useful for a beginner if you don't feel like practicing motions and combos. However, to optimize Modern, you'll have to learn motion inputs and manual combos at some point, so you'll mainly be moving the workload to a later time. Past a certain point, it's just an alternative control scheme that sacrifices (sometimes key) normals for instant reaction super and antiairs, and autoconfirms depending on the character.

>>718068998 (OP)
>Do I have to buy a stick?
Absolutely not, controller or keyboard is fine
>How do I become proficient at this?
You can play the arcade mode if you want
If you just want to hop online, follow these instructions
>pick a character that looks cool
>go to training mode (optionally do some character tutorials)
>press all his buttons
>find an attack that goes really far forward, typically MK or HK or HP - this is your "footsies" attack
>find an attack that punches or kicks upwards - this is your "antiair" attack
>if your character has a projectile special move, learn this
>understand the concept of "blocking" i.e. holding back or downback to defend attacks
>go online
>your goal is to walk forwards and backwards just out of range, and land your footsies attack
>if your opponent jumps at you, try to land your antiair
>if your opponent is far away, throw your projectile
>if your opponent does something big that you block or misses you, land your footsies attack
Now you just play the game and have fun
BUT, and this is important
>whenever you get blown up by something new and crazy, stop and go look it up, then spend <5mins practicing against it in training mode, then keep playing
This is literally how you get better at the game, just 5 mins checking out something when you see it, repeated over and over
When I started I picked Guile, and all I did was sobat kick, cr.MK and sonic booms, and I had a lot of fun, and even won matches here and there. Then I gradually started learning more stuff ("they keep jumping at me" - learned to antiair, "I need to do more damage when I get a chance" - learned a simple punish combo, etc.) and I got better and better, and it was still fun the whole time
The whole "you must spend over 9000 hours in training mode to have fun" is bullshit and cope

>>718070807
On the current Steam sale it's cheaper to get the separately, at least in my region. There's no discount on the bundle. Should I get the passes?
>>718070405
>blowing hundreds on a stick isn't instantly going to make you good at the game
The point isn't really to get good, it's just to get a more comfortable controller that makes the game more fun. I never got into fighting games back in the day because the D-Pad on the Playstation and Nintendo controllers is mushy and giver inconsistent inputs. Right now I'm using pic related(do not redeem), the D-Pad is nice and clicky so I'm having a much better time with the specials even though I'm obviously not very consistent yet. Also my thumb kind of hurts and I'm only a couple days in
>>718070508
It's more about having enough of a playerbase that I can get into online matches, I don't live in NA or Europe so anything but the latest big game isn't going to have very many people playing

>>718068998 (OP)
>Do I have to buy a stick?
No, Input device is all about preference and in modern fighting games stick is technically the worst input device
But personally I like to play with stick because it is correct* and the most fun way to play fighting games. Think it like playing a rhythm game with keyboard vs plastic toy guitar.
>I don't really like the automatic mode
based. Modern is ass and easily worst part of SF6.
Using modern is like playing with training wheels. auto combos and 1 button specials won't give you edge against players who know what they are doing but it will allow you to skip good 100 hours of fumbling around if you are okey with never learning how to actually play.

>>718070291
Depends on the pad really, and specifically on the quality of the d-pad on the pad so xbox controllers are pretty bad but loads of people get along just fine with playstation controllers.
Some psychos can play with the analog sticks but I wouldn't recommend it.

>>718068998 (OP)
Play with a keyboard desu.

>>718071504
I would say that a stick is more comfortable and more fun than a controller, spreading out the inputs to more fingers and doing movements with your whole arm makes it easier to play for longer and cranking out 360s and half circle specials on a stick is really satisfying.

>>718071504
Ah shit well, no worries then. In my region (US) the bundle is definitely cheaper. Season passes are absolutely worth it if you can get 'em. Four characters total, and usually in-game a new character costs about 12 bucks for some reason so buying the pass is often the cheapest way to do it. I personally use my Humble Monthly discount to get them all 20% off which is why I have the ultimate versions.

>It's more about having enough of a playerbase that I can get into online matches, I don't live in NA or Europe so anything but the latest big game isn't going to have very many people playing
Also yeah this is fair. SF6 is a very fun and approachable fighter, too. It's pretty early on in its lifespan so it's kind of going through what SF5 did with a lot of controversy surrounding it, but the dev team are the people who fixed up SF5 in it's final seasons so I'm certain they'll be able to patch 6 up too later on. It's biggest problems are a lot of corner carry, which leads into insane corner pressure which can win entire games, and throw loops. It's not as bad as it sounds and can still be fun.

>>718070368
> play solved old slop with brazilians instead of the current fighting game everyone is playing
You really want him to fail don't you

>>718068998 (OP)
Here's your gameplay I'm gonna give you then add onto it from there
Fireball
Cr mk into fireball
Tatsumaki through fireballs
Jump hp into st hp into shoryuken and/or into super
Grab or st mp cr mp into shoryuken or tatsu on wakeup

>>718070368
>>718072210
Truth be told Third Strike is fucking awesome and totally worth trying, but also Street Fighter 6 is totally worth trying too. I love Third Strike, but 6 is a very very lively game with a ton of discussion surrounding it. It makes it very exciting to practice and get good. Third Strike's a classic though and one of the coolest fighters ever, and obviously getting good at that is gonna be fucking hype too. Win/win either way truth be told.

any alexbros here

So I took way too long to do shoryuken consistently, and honestly my problem was trying to use a stick because I thought “serious” players needed to use them.

It is so much easier to do the dragon punch motion on a d-pad. Also, if you done want to mess around with complex inputs, charge characters mostly have simple inputs that rely on timing.

You can do the basic Ryu gameplay (fireballs from a distance and shoryuken if they jump at you) as Guile (sonic boom at a distance and hurricane kick if they jump at you).

I’m still really bad with combos, but the basic explanation is it’s when you can hit your opponent again before they have a chance to react. If you can “chain” a bunch of moves together so your opponent can’t block or fight back, you can turn one single opening into a massive chunk of damage.

>>718068998 (OP)
Its easy. Just make a custom character and do their story. That way you learn horrible habits on a character who can't fully copy a real character's moveset so you learn nothing of value and waste your time completely.

>>718074172
I hate custom characters in fighting games, I didn't even like the Miis in Smash

>>718074146
Stick took me ages to adapt to. It's insanely fun to fling a stick around, but it's actually a somewhat common opinion nowadays that they're the worst between pad and leverless. Leverless felt like the best of both worlds to me between keyboard and stick, personally. Have recently swapped over and I can't imagine going back. I hear pad is real nice though.

>>718074578
Do you have to map a specific button to diagonal input in leverless/keyboard? Like if you're doing a shoryuken, do you have to press [down], [diagonal down-right], [right]+[punch]? Or is the diagonal just a combination of the vertical and horizontal inputs?

Also it's kind of amusing that even though fighting games have historically been this console and arcadey experience, and it turns out the best way to play them is just an array of digital buttons which a keyboard can easily stand in for. If I'm not mistaken even Smash was found to be most optional with leverless/keyboard

This is the only game i am always on the fence about. i wanna play a fighting game thats not fingerhurting like guilty gear but the artstyle of GGS is way better.
Also im a newish player to fighting games and i don't even know how to do combos or what dlc should i get and coming to a game thats combo heavy makes me wanna turn back since GGS kinda showed me i can keep getting combo over and over.

base game is like 30 bucks right now but 60 gets me everrything. Prob is i don't have that money

>>718074847
Same as it'd be on keyboard. Right, down, down-right, right. The motion you described there is a Hadouken/QCF actually but that is indeed what you'd do. Also yeah, kek, when I first started I started out on keyboard over pad and very much so enjoyed it. Smash getting it's own box was very surprising, especially so with how good and effective it apparently was.

But yeah as far as inputs go I use a Haute42 T16 Crystal, which has 16 buttons. Gives you room for your drive rush/drive impact shortcuts and stuff. The speed boost you get from having those is insane, much easier to do them on reaction.

>>718070291
some of the best sf6 players in the world use controllers

>>718068998 (OP)
If your set on playing classic do the combo tutorials. You will NEVER figure it out by just button mashing

>>718068998 (OP)
Drive rush aggressively and do jumpscares every three seconds.

>>718075048
Truth be told, with your tastes I might wait on it, but that depends on how you feel about SF6's combos. SF6 with it's drive rush mechanic and how it lets you spend resources to cancel attacks mid-combo to outright further your combo might be daunting. Granted, the game only has you running into people who do that in higher ranks of play if you're doing ranked. Combos still won't be as insane as classic Guilty Gear though; can't speak much for Strive but I have heard it's slower generally. In SF6, there's a 5 frame input buffer so you can do your inputs just a bit before the actual window and still do fine, which makes execution very easy.

6 is a wonderful first fighting game in my opinion. It's not my first, but the ranked does a good job at putting you up against people you can learn from and it's very approachable overall. My thoughts are that if I were you, I'd rather wait and do a bit of research while you get the extra 30 bucks, because at the moment if you buy the base game you're kind of getting ripped off since you'll have to buy the passes for 30 bucks a piece later on, which is way more expensive.

>>718075358
Good advice. Combo trials don't always give you the most optimal combos, but they do teach you how all of your moves link together and get you started on how to use your kit like a sandbox to do fucked up shit.

>>718075417
In all fairness Dee Jay has one of the best rushes in the game.

>>718068998 (OP)
play the tutorial and the character guides

>>718076004
GGS is combo ability heavy. Y is the only button worth clicking and its like playing MK1 against a subzero player who only spams freeze

>because at the moment if you buy the base game you're kind of getting ripped off since you'll have to buy the passes for 30 bucks a piece later on, which is way more expensive.
really?
Is the game so barren without the dlc. May make the jump cause terry is in the game

>>718068998 (OP)
Just use a fucking gamepad to play the game, game player.
If you've never played fightan before, use modern and have fun. Ease yourself into the motion inputs for the extra damage. From there, you can switch to classic, but dont feel you have to.
Have fun. See you in the streets, king.

>>718070807
>pay 20 dollars to save money
that sentence is why fightans suck, it all comes down to that

>>718075048
What character are you playing? What do you like and dislike about them?

>>718077497
I don't have SF6 and am thinking of getting it but its between base or the 60 buck one. If your talking about GGS i like badguy and bridget...reason? simple

>>718075048
With all due respect, if Strive is finger-hurting to you SF6 won't be much better since it requires a bit more finesse in terms of execution.

>>718077705
I was looking it up. doesn't it have modern controls for retards like me

>>718076624
It's not horribly barren without the DLC (sorta); you still got some good characters but you're missing 8 of them which is a good amount. Either way, base game on sale is 30, then the standard pass for season 1 is 30 and the season 2 one is also 30 if you were to get them later on. Total of 90 bucks versus just puking up 60 for the game with everything as is. Can highly recommend it and also Terry is sick as shit. if you actually are buying. It's just more savings that with the bundle as is, total. Really dumb they did it this way and it'll probably get ironed out in future seasons I imagine, once they realize they can't bring back day one buyers when the game costs over a hundred to pick up again. There's just no upgrade pack right now so you buy the base game and get ripped off.

Last few days I've struggled to find any ranked matches. They tweeted about the issue yesterday but no word on it since. Sucks because it seems only some people are affected.

>>718076637
yeah, and SF6 is piss fuckin greedy about it; that PLUS in-game monetization with the sleazy fighter coins doing freemium mobile game currency manipulation to make you buy more than you need is awful
really fun game tho at least

>>718077780
Modern controls don't really help past the very casual stage, it's something that might ease you in at first but also robs you of the control you're gonna inevitably need in the future if you want to do anything but single player nonsense.
If they feel comfortable to you then by all means do use them, but keep in mind that if you're serious about getting into fighting games they are nothing more than training wheels.

>>718077904
Question
could i not just buy terry and m.bison and akuma only.

>>718070291
if this is your first fighting game pad is the best way to go, guaranteed compatibility, dual shock is cheap/easy to replace and every fighting game for the last 20yrs has been designed around pad

>>718077636
I recommend checking out dustloop. It's a very useful resource for getting better at Arcsys fighting games.
https://www.dustloop.com/w/GGST/Sol_Badguy/Starter

>>718078162
You can but they make doing it really annoying
You have to buy the shitty monopoly money, then use that to buy individual characters all from the in-game shop. There's no option to just buy individual characters directly with real money through steam or whatever.

>>718079413
yea. someone just told me that each person is like 5 to 10 buck each. wild

>>718069263
>Worst shoto in the game now
>People still complain about him
>>718069338
Just play who you want to play.

>Last played SF6 when Rashid released
>Bought a fight stick almost 3 years ago as I kept getting carpal tunnel on my controller
>Never learned stick
>Only character I somewhat know is Guile
>Know no combos as Guile
>Was Silver last time I played I think
Best way to practice on a character and fight real people?

>>718082838

Just jump in ranked.

Alternatively you can fight that "smart" ai ghost in the battle hub which is better than the CPU otherwise

>>718082838
The carpal tunnel thing is so strange to me, you would think its a fightstick exclusive thing but people seem to get it from every peripheral.

>>718068998 (OP)
How do i become good at manon though?

>>718084517
>Walk back and forth rly fast all the time
>Never jump
>Do overhead kick special alot
>When they catch on, do the double forward sweep
>When they catch on, start spamming throw
You should have a win by then, if not stagger some poke into the vaccum string then just pick either overhead/low/throw.
GG see you in Masters