Thread 718077019

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Female hapas won the genetic lottery.

>>718077498
What about us male hapas (cute)?

>>718077019 (OP)
>doesnt go along with your genocide plan
man, what a bitch

>>718077019 (OP)
How do I get a woman to look at me like this?

>>718077019 (OP)
What is with modern devs' obsession with making their characters filthy?

>>718077547
you're still female to me

Verso ending is the best and canon ending. You cannot change my mind.

>wait over 2 months to see if nu/v/ stops shilling this slop
>they don't
>still threads reaching bump limit
>decide to give a shot whatever
>fuck I hate turn based rpg slop so fucking much
>mfw 60 hours later
Thank fucking God I listened to /v/ for once. One of the best vidya I have EVER played. Verso did nothing wrong

>>718077695
Looks cool tbfhdesu

>>718077019 (OP)
>fell for it again award.jpg

>>718077695
It's unironically more attractive than creaming them up with synthetic cosmetics.

>>718077827
Based, E33 is cinematic masterpiece.
>Verso did nothing wrong
Correct.

>>718077498
>poop eyes
nah thx m8

>>718077019 (OP)
Did she kill trillions?

>>718077498
>hapa
>meanwhile she looks 200% asian

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>>718077019 (OP)
My wife

>>718077801
>>718077827
>>718078120
>genociding an entire world because you are le tired

>>718079854
>not realizing he was doing it to save Verso's family
Reminder he was painted as a near perfect version of the real Verso because of Aline's incredible love for her child. He made the same decision the real Verso made. Sacrificing himself for others.

>>718079854
The world of Lumiere is cruel in nature, it was going to end sooner or later anyway so it might as well end to save Alicia and heal the Dessendre family

>>718080782
I think that's mostly true, but the logic is flawed. Aline might be the best painter, but she is not the best judge of character. She is making a representation of how she perceives people. Look at how she made painted Renoir vs actual Renoir. Painted Renoir is an imposing uncompromising man who just cuts people's heads off without saying hello. Actual Renoir is a much more gentle figure who is more than wiling to compromise except in life or death situations. Even though he doesn't really believe Alicia, he still tries to compromise in her end.

>>718081521
Actually, Clea is heavily implied to be the best painter.

>>718081521
>Aline might be the best painter, but she is not the best judge of character
The Dessendre family is going to through grief and Lumiere is basically just a playground for them to express their feelings. Aline created painted Renoir because she wants to lash out and express her loss
That's why Lumiere is so cruel in nature, the gods who created the world are human

>>718077498
This but only if they get bred by BWC.

I'm going to be honest I cruised through the majority of the game just having Lune cast two spells (Immolation and Wildfire). Her ability to just fold almost any encounter on her first turn made her insanely attractive to me. Her parents' autism genes bred the perfect mage.

I’m going to kill your friends. Then your family. I’ll make you watch your brother die—just in case it might inconvenience me someday. After that, I’ll lecture my father on the meaning of family… before I kill him too. I’ll lie to you about everything—your actions, their purpose—because explaining the truth is hard, and I’d rather you unknowingly destroy your hometown, loved ones, and comrades.

Remember my sister? She wants peace. She believes we can talk things through. She wrote me a letter full of hope—one I’ll never share. I’ll convince her not to kill herself, all while making her life so miserable that staying becomes the crueler option. I’ve had 100 years to accept these fake memories of a man I never was, and even though you all support me as my own person… I’ll still kill everyone in Lumiere for the sake of the woman who created me.

You’ve forgiven me—again—for everything. So I’ll hesitate briefly. But Alicia once lied to Renoir after getting 16 years of chaos injected into her brain, so naturally, I must now kill you all. Clearly, there were no alternatives.

Now: suicide. It's morally grey, and totally for her. I mean, you saw what happened with Aline. The Dessendre tried nothing, and it didn’t magically work out. So that’s proof, right?
It has to be, otherwise I would have to think back on the time I gaslit and killed my girlfriend over a minor misunderstanding I did not even try to explain.

We’ll never know who’s right. Just endless fog, ambiguity... and a piano.

>>718077019 (OP)
This whore had her pornofeet in my face the whole game wtf

>>718079854
>implying the world wasn't doomed already

>>718081521
>Even though he doesn't really believe Alicia, he still tries to compromise in her end.
renoir is just so fucking tired at that point, he went
>well, she's happy at least
and her suffering was worse than Aline's who took the drama queen route when her daughter was suffering the most.
Verso did what renoir couldn't, because Verso will always sacrifice himself for his sister.

>>718083432
>But Alicia once lied to Renoir after getting 16 years of chaos injected into her brain, so naturally, I must now kill you all. Clearly, there were no alternatives.
Nah, seeing verso get mindbroken throughout the whole renoir fight is hilarious, poor guy is just genuinely lost at times. Alicia being a lying, suicidal bitch was the cherry on top of the shit cake as far as he's concerned.

>>718077547
You lost the genetic lottery but you won the pleasure one.

>>718083881
Some people genuinely don't understand Lumerians had lost before the game even begun.
No matter what they do, their world is doomed, Alicia's ending gives them what? an extra 10 years since the piano concert since her paint marks are as bad as aline's late stage painter cancer?

>>718077827
>shilling this slop
Sandfall is a small company and cant buy any shilling campaigns, complete forced buzzword meme. After the first few weeks of culture war threads people started finishing the game, there was actual honest discussion about it and funnily enough these threads now are ~40% monkeys throwing shit calllng the game and the threads buzzwords while ~55% is actual honest and genuine discussion about the endings, or at times the game itself, and the 5% some waifufagging or random bullshittery. Its very ironic how /v/ larps and cries about dogshit gaming is now but an actual good game spawned and yet people still fling shit at eachother

>>718077547
you got a few paths
>mass shooter
>femboy slut

>>718083892
>Verso will always sacrifice himself for his sister.
our verso is more about killing himself than saving alicia desu

>>718084205
Now you remember the part where he sided with Alicia instead of Renoir when that makes no sense if his goal is dying. He legitimately priorized what she wanted and later her well being, dying is just a bonus.
Verso is 2/3 saving his family 1/3 I'm just fucking tired (and my family keeps suiciding because I exist).

>>718077019 (OP)
I was really confused by the way she killed Sirene (and the way Sciel killed the mask guy for that matter).

>>718084410
Sirene makes no sense, but sciel is simply a person who doesn't hide herself, so mask dude can't really do anything to her, she's way too open about how much she wants to die.

>>718077827
I was turned off by the overhype too and nothing was really enticing from an outside eye, but yeah turns out I liekd it
I'm actually surprised it's so popular because it has a lot of polarizing design and writing choices

>>718084164
>since her paint marks are as bad as aline's late stage painter cancer?
source: im a speedreader

>>718077019 (OP)
God this whore is fucking disgusting. You know the industry is in the shitter when "women" like this are put on a pedestal.

How long did you guys take to make the final decision? For me it was longer than I would ever give most games that offer a moral dilemma, but deep down I always knew the Canvas had to go.

>>718084651
Clea spent a fuckton of time in the canvas, you know, she did some real war crimes there and set up her monster factory.
And Alicia started with one single black eye.

>>718077019 (OP)
Do you think she regretted letting Verso nut inside of her womb, at this moment?

>>718084841
>implying verso didnt blast those feet instead
I know I would've

>>718084737
I thought renoir was absolutely right and deserved a happy ending, so zero thought put into it.

>>718077625
Betray her, earn back her trust, then betray her again. Bonus points if you creampied her between betrayals.

>>718084764
Clea barely spent any time in the canvas. She painted over her own painted version and that is what created the nevrons, and she painted over Simon. Clea treats the canvas like its a toy. Something to be outgrown and forgotten. She is literally the only one to handle Verso's death in a mature way, and in terms of sheer skill she mogs her mother.

>>718084737
Zero time, Verso all the way

>>718077695
They look like that when their HP is low. It's cool.

>>718084160
He won aside from getting HIV but nowadays that's not even as bad as diabeetus

>>718079854
M8, I don't remotely care about the genocide of actual palestainian children, why would I care about pixels that depict painted people (that aren't even real in the context of the game?)

>>718077827
glad you fucking retards play the game and stop hating just for hating

>>718084923
>>718084841
i went with sciel, how's the lune romance? from my perspective it was weird because lune suddenly told me something like "wow you know if not for sciel we could have fucked" but showed no attraction at any other point

>>718079854
The world was already genocided and of the people left
>gestrals and grandis don't care
>verso, monoco and esquie want to end it
>verso's soul wants to end it
>sciel doesn't agree but understands
So, it's only Alicia "I love my brother so much I won't respect his wishes or sacrifice because I feel sad" Dessendre and Lune

>best ending is the game is destroying everything you experienced in it, all the characters, locations, EVERYTHING.
>it's done out of almost nowhere by Verso when he gets the one opportunity to do so
>this is almost a betrayal of the player as well
>somehow this is pulled off so masterfully it is not only understandable but literally the only proper choice
How the fuck did they do it? I wish more vidya could tell a story with so much emotional maturity without coming across as pretentious or forced. Just fucking beautiful stuff man.

>>718084737
I didn't spend much time thinking about it either, went with Verso. The only thing that made me actually sad was the group hug with the bros afterwards, but the rest of it was a nice conclusion and the only way for this fucked up family to move on.

>>718085187
It's a one night stand because she wants to vent out about her parents being pieces of shit, her and Verso really have no romantic chemistry in general.

>>718084737
5 minutes,and then i choose Verso,because everything has an end in this life,and this world has lived long enough

>>718084737
The official ending results are:
60% chose Verso ending
40% chose Maelle ending
Of the 40% that chose the Maelle ending, 50% regretted their choice after seeing the cutscene play out.

>>718085187
Virtually the exact same as the normal Lune route except for 2-3 lines

Zero compassion, pure satisfaction. The corpse will dance till I say it can stop. If the fragment of his soul wants to stop it'll do it of its own accord.

Play the piano, paint monkey.

>>718085243
>selfish piece of shit vs slightly less selfish piece of shit
>whole game has built up Maelle is someone who must be protected even against her will (happens at the end of act one, at the end of act 2 and you make it happen at the end of act 3)
>MIROIR DU TEMPS

>>718085321
>40% chose Maelle ending
>Of the 40% that chose the Maelle ending, 50% regretted their choice after seeing the cutscene play out.
Maelle trannies is the perfect name for the maellefags,the 40% is the cherry on top

>>718085206
>won't respect his wishes
She also doesn't respect Gustave's "For those who come after" by throwing the whole legacy away. When she dies, the canvas dies with her and everything drops into oblivion. Only when she leaves the canvas can she carry the legacy out into the real world, where it may continue until the end of time.

>>718085251
When he comforts Maelle as she is forced from the canvas, I unironically got choked up. Such a good performance from Ben Starr.

>you'll be okay, you'll be okay. It's all gonna be okay
>you have an incredible power to paint and you will never have to suffer a life that you don't want

>>718085321
>50% regretted their choice after seeing the cutscene play out.
Another 40% after checking verso's ending on youtube.
The sheer amount of regret and actual cope on people choosing her ending is skyhigh.

>>718077695
If you are on an adventure and you can't take a bath on a regular basis you are going to be filthy. Having characters look like models fresh out of the salon is a great way to destroy immersion.

>>718085475
>repeats the exact same words verso told her as he died after saving her
>except Aline had no way to know because she wasn't there so it came from his fake soul
He really was her masterpiece.

>>718085445
>When she dies, the canvas dies with her and everything drops into oblivion
No? The canvas continues existing without god meddling with them

>>718084737
Didn't have to think long at all about it. I didn't know the choice was coming up, but seeing Alicia lie to Renoir about leaving cemented she wasn't doing the right thing. It was easy to choose to stop her.

>>718085615
Yeah, try convincing renoir not to burn that trainwreck.

>>718084205
>our verso is more about killing himself than saving alicia desu
That's not entirely true. He has multiple paths to kill himself by Act 3. He could not show Alicia how to repaint, which guarantees a Renoir victory. He could demand Alicia unpaint him, but even after he sees her erase painted Alicia without hesitation, he never presses the issue. She wouldn't even have an argument against it except "no, i like you."
We can be pretty sure death isn't the whole story because he always lies, but one of the first things he tells the party when he shows up is how he doesn't want to live forever like Renoir.
Some of the things he hardly ever mentions is his need to help real Alicia, but his actions consistently align with his interpretation of that. He is the one who saves her on the beach because a promise to Clea, he teaches her how to repaint without compulsion, etc.
He wanted to help Aline, and then he wanted to help Alicia. If that means he has to die, so be it, but he is willing to give life a chance if it means Alicia and Aline are safe.

>>718085393
>>718085243
i don't believe there's a "best" ending, they're both a matter of perspective
I liked that they managed to make them both bitter but satisfying, Maelle's ending is my favorite though because the cutscene is more kino and fucked up (than the literal end of the world)

>>718085565
As twisted as it is to cope with your sons death by painting a replacement version of him and making it immortal, the fact she created such a perfect version is really beautiful. She truly loved her only son, despite the fact he never even wanted to be a painter.

>>718085475
>>you have an incredible power to paint and you will never have to suffer a life that you don't want.
what a great sentence from Verso man,the dude straight up says to her that she can paint another world if she wants to,but leave his soul rest in peace.

>>718085662
>dead son
>absent wife, will likely enter canvas again
>youngest daughter in canvas forever
>oldest daughter on pointless revenge quest, will likely die
I mean if I were him I'd just cut my losses and find a new young french qt to impregnate, but he seems a good man so he'll probably try to wait it out until everyone else dies. And then what?

>>718078913
Devs confirmed she's hapa

>>718079854

>the entire message/moral of the game is about accepting reality for what it really is, regardless of how uncomfortable or even painful it can be to you.
>a delusional clinging to past memories will inevitably harm you if for no other reason than you're stagnant.
>You've got to grow up and deal with what you've got, not hide and live in fantasy.

I really do think I see why there's some resistance here to this game when its moral is unironically to 'touch grass'.

>>718084737

The very moment it was revealed what was really going on after the Paintress fight I knew what the correct choice was going to be. As much as I sympathized with how hard it was going to be on Maelle.

>>718085619
This game has such great eye animations, there is a moment right after she lies to Renoir that it shows Verso, and the look he gives Maelle tells everything about what he was thinking in that moment.

>>718077695
That's exactly how the character should look if they're getting into fights and traveling through wild terrain. What's dumb is when the character goes through all that and stays clean.

>>718085489
>How was I supposed to know the ending that went against the themes of the entire game would be the bad ending?

>>718085813
Renoir IS a family man first and foremost.
He takes Clea and they go both go beat the shit out of that junkie of a daughter, they take her out and burn that canvas in front of her and aline.

>>718085740
There is nothing right about Maelle's ending. It's even in black and white (clair obscur) and has ominous music and shots. Verso's ending is in color, with somber music, and shows a family grieving together properly.

>>718085851
I love how well the music is timed, they basically have the only ominous part of the song play as she lies to her dad and verso looks at her, because the song is super sweet otherwise.

How did they manage to make a character like this so fucking loveable?

how is maelle's ending the wrong ending when my nigga gustav is alive?

>>718078120
>the grief escapism will stop
>*proceeds to escape grief*
No matter which ending you like, the person who made that pic was ~20 IQ at best.

>>718086014
dude big hero six lmao

>>718086089
>so fucking incomepetent at her job she couldn't give him an arm
>or clothes
I don't trust she actually did it right.

>>718086089
Did you learn nothing? Bringing back the dead with your unique powers is a horrible way to cope with grief.

>>718086014

>I need you to go get me a rock
>Let me guess, it's in some barren wasteland surrounded by countless enemies
>Nah, it's just over there with my roommate

Genuinely got me to laugh, was sold after that point on mirror-universe Smough.

>>718085851
>the look
Pretty much, that look prevented the flawed Maelle ending

>>718086089
>gustav
>alive
>maelle's ending
kek
"Gustavs chroma is too old for me to bring him back now, and I wasn't able to restore Lumiere or most of its people, but I can definitely bring back Gustav. He's a real person. He thinks real thoughts and does what Gustav would do. HES REAL"

>>718086014
He's silly not lolsorandom. The latter is almost always insincere. The former works as long as it is sincere.
He is basically a Tom Bombadil figure. A character that most people would say shouldn't be in Lord of the Rings when they hear about him, but when they actually read him, they are laughing at his nonsense songs.

>>718086089
The moment he even has some kind of natural accident she's bringing him back and making him immortal.

>>718085321
>50% regretted their choice after seeing the cutscene play out.
>play Maelle's outtro like a horror story
>play Verso's ending as a bitter-sweet goodbye
The writers' bias was clearly on display. They could have played Maelle's ending as a fucked up one, that still had a positive side.
The only bad side for those inside the painting was Verso being forced into a life he didn't want, but I don't see how geneociding the people in Lumiere is necesarily better option (and the "they aren't real" argument is shallow at best).

>>718085936
That's not what clair obscur means. This painting is an example of clair obscur. It's the contrast between light and dark (light-dark is also the literal translation), not black and white. Both endings are clair obscur and your incessant compulsion to put one over the other means you've missed the point.

>>718086189
>"Gustavs chroma is too old for me to bring him back now"
no one says this
gustav was killed by renoir, his chroma was weird. Those killed by nevrons got fixed up instantly because nevrons fuck w/ chroma in a very specific way. They say as much at the start.
>>718086230
based
>>718086132
tha'ts like, your feelings, man
>>718086171
arguable, but i argue that it's God's obligation to look after Her creations.

>>718086245
>how geneociding the people in Lumiere is necesarily better option
Come on, count the number of people in lumiere that were alive by the moment you made a choice and how many suffer and/or die if you do her ending.

>>718086245

There should have been a 3rd, secret ending where Maelle will willingly leave the painting for awhile, Renoir won't burn it, Aline is given enough antidepressants and deals with her shit and Maelle and the family can come back to the world later to appreciate the Canvas and all that in memory of Verso without it becoming a crutch.

>>718086328
>tha'ts like, your feelings, man
So why didn't she restore his real arm? Because she's playing by memory and he's basically a glorified verso 2.0.
>oh Gustav's essence doesn't include having an arm
said no one, ever.

>>718086465
That would go against Maelle's character writing throughout act three.
She's not leaving, EVER, from her first line
>actually, I prefer maelle
she's a walking red flag.

>>718086465
the canvas can be seen as an allegory for antidepressants

Maelle's woman moment could've been fixed with a good dicking.

>>718086337
No one. They were all dead. Sciel and Lune are painted recreations of themselves based on Alicia's interpretation of them. The original artist was already out of the canvas by that time.

>>718086564

If the requirement was for you to 100% everything before kicking Renoir's ass you could probably justify it that Maelle got a proper fill of the fantasy world, and some time to think things through without being too hasty. She sees how absolutely fucked everything is, and the negative repercussions whatever.

I don't see her initial interactions with Renoir when she wakes up to who she really is as entirely disingenuous. She's just traumatized and it's hard to blame her when she has a life as a burned up mute with one eye to look forward to outside the painting. But I interpreted it as intellectually she probably knows her father is right, other than burning the canvas (which is a pretty drastic step however justifiable.) It would just be a matter of convincing her to deal with it rather than hide away.

>>718086473
it's not explained
but your headcanon guess isn't correct.

>>718086807
Your being obsessed with sex could be fixed by losing your virginity.

>>718086465
There is no happy end to grief.

>>718086465
pretty gay, the juxtaposition between the 2 existing is good enough already, this is just a 'safe' ending where everyone lives happily ever after and all the writing the 35 hours you played becomes whatever

>>718086969
post tits

>>718086465
An unequivocally good ending isn't always necessary.

>>718086465
That woudl have been a better choice for almost everyone.
Renoir gets his family together, even if his younger daughter spends most of the day in VR.
Aline would get over her grief yet still experience a very lifelike Verso from time to time, no more different that a parent watching a video of their lost son, that still brings a smile to their face.
Verso would stop being a selfish fuck because "he's tired" and instead bring joy to Aline as well as making the life of people in Lumiere possible.
Hopefully as Maelle grows she will learn to cope and eventually let go of the painted world.
The people of Lumiere live happily ever after, until one day when they go to sleep but never wake up, becuase Maelle finally shut it down.

>>718086853
Yeah, the problem is that she's not leaving.
She lies, manipulates and even if you say
>when she wakes up to who she really is as entirely disingenuous.
She literally goes
>daddy will do what I want because he's weak to me!
the moment she wakes up.
She goes from idealized heroic girl to a realistic junkie in a minute.

>>718086807
I don't know about "fixed". She would become absolutely OBSESSED with anyone who shows her unconditional affection, like "I don't want you to be employed because that means you have to leave me for 8 hours every day and I don't care if that means we're homeless" obsessed. I've seen it happen and it's not pretty. But it won't literally kill her so I guess that's an improvement.

>>718087152
>Alicia: i prefer maelle, though
>verso: i think i do, too
He realized immediately that the Maelle he liked was basically dead and gone and only a deranged Alicia was left.

>>718087393
>your sister is a nice, cute mute
>your "real" sister is a girl who deals with grief better than her mom, you feel GREAT, this is fucking done!
>... alicia enters the stage
Verso would have gommaged himself if he could at that moment.

>>718077827
buy an ad faggot

>>718087152

I suppose that given the situation it's hard to imagine Maelle coming to a mature conclusion and deal with her problems while still inside the Canvas. The actual help she needs isn't even likely outside, either, if they're in vague early 20th century magic Paris, it'll be years before mental health treatments would be in a good position to unpack her shit. Guess she is fucked.

>>718081363
>POV: you're a teenage white boy

>>718087683
She's getting free orgasms if she requests it and you tell me she's fucked?

>>718087719
Gustave's apprentices are lucky growing men

>>718086465
>>718087683
>>718087065
Sometimes people are just broken and they don't get a golden ending. Sometimes the best they can hope for is being properly heartbroken because at least that way they're functioning.

>>718087792

>Thinking you could pay a doctor enough to finger-blast Alicia when she looks like she does.

She's pretty much stuck with peanut butter and the real world Monoco, Anon, I hate to say it.

>>718077019 (OP)
thousand bwc stare

in what precise moment Maelle stops existing and is replaced by Alicia? i don't remember exactly when that happens.

>>718077547
Elliot...

>>718087027
I see.

>>718087886
Just get her look like painted Alicia, mask and all, she's a cutie.
Also her family is obscenely rich, look where their manor ir.

>>718087664
nintendie mad

Did Aline really spent around 67 years of griefing inside the canvas ? That's just insane and "failure to assist a person in danger" for Renoir. Not to mention we don't know how long a year lasts inside their universe. This situation requires drastic intervention.

>>718087921
The exact same moment she gets "gommaged", after that it's just a prolonged larp so the player keeps thinking she's cute little maelle.

>>718087886
You are literally homosexual AND heartless if you wouldn't

>>718087792
More like she gets her clit chopped off.

>>718088024
Actually, Aline spent like 30 years in short burst larping with her fake family until they stopped being short bursts.
Then they spent 67 years arguing and Aline literally went insane, the paintress has the movements of a demented person who can't tell what's real when you meet her at the monolith.

>>718085187
>>718085280
Honestly the romance options in this game fucking suck, Sciel would be happy to put a bag on your head whuoe you fuck her and pretend you are Pierre and by the time you can romance Lune, I just don't care about the dark and broken Winnie Poo world.

>>718087905
Based

>the pieces for a "good" ending are there, where everyone could get what they wanted, but it can't happen, simply because the characters involved are too imperfect and selfish and flawed and have failures in communication
Actually a refreshing take. RIP Painted Alicia and Renoir though.

>>718088065
I want to makeout with her eyehole and rub my cum in those scars.

>>718088212
>Sciel would be happy to put a bag on your head whuoe you fuck her and pretend you are Pierre
That's why it works, Verso would do the same with her and Julie. It's just two depressed people in love with someone else fucking each other.

>>718088173
This, some people miss that Aline actually left the canvas every once in a while in the beginning. She says as much in her journal. One day she probably stayed too long, Renoir came after her and started deleting shit like the petulant child many people accuse Alicia of being, caused the Fracture, and then both were stuck in there

>>718086116
Ironic, considering your room temp iq post.

>>718088312
Yes, Renoir is a control freak, we know.

>>718088312

Renoir literally did nothing wrong, besides not being able to suplex his wife out of the painting in one go.

>>718088312
>One day she probably stayed too long, Renoir came after her and started deleting shit like the petulant child many people accuse Alicia of being
Anon, renoir wouldn't do it just because she spent too long one day, she spent years living with her fake family before the fracture, that probably makes for at least 3-4 days in the real world.
Renoir was right and she was lost in the canvas.

>>718086465
That's actually where I thought the story was going, but after beating Renoir you get thrown to destroy the canvas or save it.

I thought Maelle would be the final boss after the expeditioners realize they need her out of there after Renoir's reveals

Total Painter Death

Do we have any estimation on how much time irl elapses when a year passes inside a canva ?

A major problem Maellefags don't talk about is that ultimately the canvas is a completely separate world from the real(?) world. That alone is why she should stop living in a fake world and get proper real help, she is still literally a teenage kid and processing her grief in such a terrible way would be mental death for her. Living decades in a fake world for a teenage kid, playing make believe, forcing others to do what she wants, in essence her utopia becomes a dystopia as she becomes disattached from reality, forcing Verso to suffer, but even worse when inevitably, Renoir steps in again, and another war starts out, or, if Alicia is convinced to go out, she wakes up to reality that she is still just a kid who cannot speak and can see only from 1 eye, her grief is completely unprocessed and made terribly worse. Yeah I cant get the words out of my mind exactly but choosing Verso ending is the best possible option for Maelle because she is forced to move on in an actual proper, human healthy way.

>>718088402
>Renoir literally did nothing wrong
..except desecrate his dead son's memento
>>718088434
She's a grown woman and can make her own decisions. He does it for the selfish reason of "muh she once saved me wah wah"

>>718086465
That would literally ruin the game and no one would still be discussing it. You're a retard.

>>718088358
Explain what's wrong with it then. I did.

>>718088534
>He does it for the selfish reason
Yes, because he loves her and she's his wife.

>>718088576
So let her work out her grief her own way. The person most of the fandom paints as relatively rational, Clea, even says it's not that dire

>>718080782
It wasn't cruel until Renoir and Clea turned up. It was a child's playground.

>>718088654
she's LITERALLY dying in the real world.
Aline was never leaving that canvas alive
>oh dear it's just some more heroine, let me do it my own way!
For fuck's sake she made herself an immortal family.

>>718088065
Fuck this bitch, give me painted Alicia.

>>718088540

So long as its hard to get the ending, probably through 100% everything, or completing new game + 33 times it would feel earned and even Kino. The message becomes that there are mature ways to deal with grief without having to do something dramatic like destroy the last vestiges of the lost love one, it just requires a lot of work.

>>718088065
>female
>into writing
>wearing pants
If it wasn't for her obvious onii-chan issues I'd believe she was on the path to becoming turn of the century lesbian.

>>718088868
BAAAAAASED

>>718088534
>..except desecrate his dead son's memento
Aline already did that by adding humans and a fake dead son.

>>718088491
They made siding with Verso way too easy, the entirety of act 1 and 2 is inside the painting to show you that it's a real world with real people, but they got sidelined way too hard in act 3 I almost forgot I cared about it.

The people in Lumiere were fucked anyway, but watching their hopelessness when they realize there's no one coming after and their sacrifices were worthless is something that was missing in act 3. I needed more scenes like Lune's frustrating and angry stare in the Verso's ending.

>>718089059

It kind of feels like there was a discussion in the writers room about whether Maelle should have her own romance arc with Verso and it was dropped, doesn't it. Though it would have worked best if Verso was extremely uncomfortable but couldn't explain why.

>>718088875
Verso's ending IS the mature way to deal with grief. You let go, and it hurts, and it never stops hurting. You want something where everyone is happy in the end but that's simply not something that happens, as anyone who has lost someone they love dearly can tell you.

>>718088764
No she isn't. Renoir spent just as long in there and he seems fine, or at least (You) and others siding with him paint him as fine. Clea says it's not that dire and they've spent longer in other Canvases. She also says if her mother "wants to numb herself" inside the canvas then that's her problem, and that she would've said the same before Verso's death. Only Renoir mentions that she's "literally dying" and then shows us her suffering IRL, which could come from a number of things, including her having to fight off her husband and daughter for the past 67 years.

>>718089279
THAT would have made it a real jrpg, yandere imouto.

>>718089279
Stop watching porn

>>718089279
It would be really controversial but not because the incest but the age factor, internet is too gay for those things

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpYzRZKu5tw
>di-di-di-dam
>di-di-di-dam
tout-va-bi-en
>di-di-di-dam
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tout-va-bi-en
you-are-o-k

>>718089367

Clea is showing the anger response in the grief process. She's mad and wants to lash out. Her statements about whether or not her parents are safe in the Canvas or not can't be considered entirely reliable.

>>718089508
Western females are the worst posters ever
>nips have a fan favourite ship
>it's like 16-22
>the west screeches at this and pushes some boring age appropriate one instead
Especially fujos are terrible with this.

>>718086014
Sex appeal.

>>718079854
we had like, 3 extis to avoid this, paintress makes a deal and leaves of her own free will, maellee leaves of her own free will, Gus lives to make sure maelle does the right thing and makes a deal with Renoir. the family are rich brats, they left no other choice.

>>718089737
>impossible
>impossible
>gustav would rather see the world burn down than maelle die

>>718089547
>Her statements about whether or not her parents are safe in the Canvas or not can't be considered entirely reliable
Neither are Renoir's then, which means all we have is our eyes, which show us that Renoir seems fine and Aline is healthy enough to immediately re-enter the Canvas and make a difference.

>>718077019 (OP)
For me it's the blonde white goddess who exclusively fucks Asian men and becomes a future Hapa mom.

>>718088875
>like destroy the last vestiges of the lost love one
Verso painted his canvas when he was 10. He died at 25. There is no way in hell that the canvas is the only thing they have left of him. Something actually related to his true passion.

>>718077827
i got bored by the end of act 2 and cant really bring myself to go back and finish it. i lost interest in the story after gustave died, it gets too schizophrenic for no reason

who's the kid in maelle's ending

>>718086465
>Malicia steps out of the painting for a quick break
>Aline writhing in the background wearing a straitjacket.
>Clea off somewhere else being a bitch
Kino ending.

>>718090042
verso

>>718090104
Nah. That's oldVerso and oldLune's kid.

>>718090104
ever watched yourself playing the piano at the opera while simultaneously getting a handjob from an asian milf in the audience

>>718090232
>asian milf
33 yo spinster

>>718090215
that's my take too but it feels kidna out of nowhere when you took the sciel route

>>718087905
Still not enough for her. Bigger. Whiter.

Stupid question but how can the Curator be wandering with the team if he's stuck under the monolith ?

>>718090412
Chroma projection.

>>718089272
Honestly the game as a whole had such high insane potential that I feel like it could have been 10x the game it currently is. There were many writing mishaps and errors that could have genuinely drastically increased the quality of the game, simple scenes where they show you Lumierans are self conscious and aware, putting extra focus on them so you technically commit omnicide upon choosing Verso's ending and making the player think about their choice is definitely something that should have been given deeper depth. Lune and Sciel as a whole were completely sidelined and made irrelevant, they didnt go indepth about Monoco and Esquie also lying and going along with Verso, they also didnt go indepth about what actually happened to Maelle post act 3, like did the entirety of the 16 years she spent in the canvas, Maelle's personality and memories, were they all, completely and entirely erased when Alicia took over? How much did Maelle influence Alicia? By removing Maelle that hard, it also made Gustave a little less relevant (though he was practically forgotten at that point too), Also something that i will forever seethe about is that during the paintress fight, there is no overhead shot of Lumiere, where its citizens all are watching the Paintress fight and reacting to her warping reality, watching in awe and fear and eventually cheering upon your victory, maybe even a different game over scene where Lumiere realizes E33 failed, it would have made the ultra gommage also more impactful, cause I legit felt nothing when we returned to Lumiere lol, felt underwhelming. I loved this game but god damn the game could have been spicier if it had a little better budget and more time

>>718090312
Sciel got her husband back, so Alicia can't hook them up. Leaves Lune.
Remember: None of them are their real selves other than Verso and he's no longer in control.

>>718090458
tl;dr

>>718090458
It made me interested in what game they'll make next, honestly. I'd rather not expand on this at all.

>>718077019 (OP)
made for BWC

>>718090412
I guess the manor is under the monolith but you can enter and leave from the teleport doors spread around.
When the expedition is attacked by painted Renoir Verso saves Maelle and brings her there so at least he already knew about the place and that the curator was friendly (although he only understands who he is just before you fight the paintress).

What is the appeal of asians

>>718090458
>you technically commit omnicide upon choosing Verso's ending
Oh no, Verso killed two people. That's almost as many as Alicia killed.

>>718090640
Could be just a one shot golden goose. I hope not though, and I also hope the money doesn't change their perspective.

>>718090767
>alicia
>renoir
Exactly the same I guess.

>>718088491
>ultimately the canvas is a completely separate world from the real(?) world.
That you have to bracket real betrays the game's major flaw:
>Intentionally generate core ambiguities
>Ambiguity as a concept in and of itself isn't central or meaningfully examined; it's just a lens through which to process the central moral quandary about escapism
By its own choices, E33 paints itself into a corner from which it has to present its interactive ending. Because the game deliberately offers no conclusive evidence about the nature of the canvas, the final choice becomes mainly a guessing game for the ontologically oriented player (are the painted people real?); and a purity test for deontologists (is this degree of suffering justifiable?)
Any catharsis you derive from the "good" ending, of wiping the slate clean, is rooted in a general, nebulous sese of moral rectitude. This kind of ending isn't necessarily inferior. But, the way it's experienced in E33 concentrates all of its impact on the apotheosis experienced in the moment of sacrificing comfort for sanity and future opportunity. But I suggest you step back from the gestalt of it all. The reason the meme about the good ending works is because it's actually hollow. The game doesn't thematically layer up to the good ending; it abruptly plops it down and dares you to balk.
In /v/ speak, the ending has the same (non)thrust of an anti-natalist roastie reaching menopause and crying tears of joy for having never born a child.
>But Verso looks consternated playing the piano...
E33 - It's no Masterpiece

>>718085206
>The world was already genocided
Yes, by him. He was an accessory to genocide. He manipulated and tricked Maelle, Lune and Scielle into gommaging their entire city and everyone they knew and loved.

>>718090968
And if he had done nothing, the world had like 20 years left (let's be real, a society can't be run by 13 year old kids)

>>718090412
>>718090735
Renoir isn't actually trapped anymore by the time the game takes place. Simon is the one trapped underneath the monolith and Renoir used him to escape.

>>718090859
I always forget that Clea technically killed herself and Alicia just didn't bring her back.

>>718078120
>escapism bad
you do not belong here faggot

>>718091197
Malicia genuinely doesn't think Aline's fake family is real or that it matters outside of Verso.

>>718091242
You can have a good life too if you try, anon.

>>718086014
It's just a classic trope that's hard to get wrong, the wise old magical sage with a veneer of silliness. Like Yoda, or Mr Miyagi.

>Not one single WEBM
How sad.

You forgot your message again, subhuman /pol/skin.

>>718091754
Seriously just wash your feces

>>718092116
Is there even an option to remove blood?

>>718091754
Built for deep sniffs.

>>718090458
>putting extra focus on them so you technically commit omnicide
Agreed. They could've even made the ultimate truth opaque, but its opaqueness should then have been a main part of the game's themes. Inception - and for the 5 people that watched it, The Leftovers - are solid counterfactuals for how ambiguity can be maximized, especially in ways that resonate with the universal mystery.
IMO, a prominent plot wrinkle should've linked the painted to their real-world counterparts, or their "realer"-world counterparts. Consider some sort of sci-fi machination that spells-out how a gommaging person passes on to another canvas; the more lives you've lived, the older you are, and thus the more frequently you gommage. Or some sort of shared consciousness could've been attributed to lesser life forms, like Gestrals and people inspired by real-life acquaintances. Alone, these ideas aren't particularly groundbreaking. However, I think they, or ideas like these, could've paved the way for a more cohesive resolution.

>>718092537
never get into writing

>>718077695
It's a good way to ground your characters and make them look like they were actually fighting for their lives