Thread 718078646

>0.3 in 2 weeks

Are you hyped?

If they release act 4 does that mean we'll have to play Act 1 - Act 2 - Act 3 - Act 4 - Act 1 - Act 2 - Act 3 - Act 4 ??

>>718078823
probably a1-4 a1-2

>>718078646 (OP)
>Are you hyped?
only if there's more acts
Maps and endgame bosses kind of blow ass. Arbiter is cool though.

>>718078823
Yes, after that it's going to be 1-5-1-5.
These dumbfuck devs need to learn that the campaign is the worst part of any arpg and more than 2 acts is already too much.

>>718078646 (OP)
yeah I'm looking forward to 3.27 in october but I don't really get what poo2 has to do with that

>>718078646 (OP)
sorry I refuse to play through that copy pasted mess of a campaign but you enjoy pulling the 32 levers in act 3, OP.

It's the middle of summer. These kiwi fucks better deliver if they want me to play.

>new act
>new classes/ascensions
>fun league mechanic

Otherwise I won't even touch it.

>>718079912
I think they'll deliver on 2/3, but I seriously doubt there will be a fun league mechanic.

>2 weeks until the league starts
>no teasers
>no league name
>nothing

It's gonna be another "Hi I'm Jonathan Rogers, lead direction on Path of Exile 2. There's no easy way to say this..." situation, isn't it?

>>718080192
Worse yet, they'll just rush out whatever they have done and then do the typical 3 months of intermittent damage control patches. I would rather them delay it if that's the case.

Dead game lmao

>>718080192
If that happens tencent will fire his ass.

>>718079398
>These dumbfuck devs need to learn that the campaign is the worst part of any arpg and more than 2 acts is already too much.
This is your zoomer brain doing this. The campaign is the game. "endgame" is doing the same shit over and over.

>>718080192
>It's gonna be another "Hi I'm Jonathan Rogers, lead direction on Path of Exile 2. There's no easy way to say this..." situation, isn't it?
100%
How do 400 people work there

nope. it's total trash vs PoE 1

>>718078646 (OP)
If no Druid I'll continue to not give a fuck. I have no interest in grinding end game maps till the ends of time, I'd rather just go to work and make money.

I thought it was going to get released during summer but it's still 40€
What happened?

>>718080534
The initial plan was for the EA to last one year, so 1.0 would have been around christmas. But first they were overwhelmed with 0.1 and then PoE1fags had a giga meltdown and demanded that their ancient overbloated game needs just as much content as the new one. So now they are splitting dev time 50/50. So we'll probably get 1.0 next year.

>>718080291
Truth nuke
I think don't think I've seen anyone fumble THIS hard with a release before
remember how fucking hyped PoE2 was, even with normgroids? People were hyping it to be game of the decade and a pioneer in the genre
Then GGG just dropped the ball and most people moved on

>>718080526
>Druid
yeah same, except ill just play other games
maybe if they add flails with some really cool skill gems... or a very innovative ascendancy...
im not sure what else they could add to make the beta interesting again

>>718081274
Normgroids such as yourself who don't comprehend how seasonal ARPGs work? Pic related, these games always swing from hype to fucking dead.

>>718081274
poe2 was never going to actually be popular with normalfags, the core design theme is literally that poe1 is too much fun and the ideal game would be less fun. hence all the stupid timewasting shit like wells and animation locking levers and every crafting method deleting bases

>>718081664
You sure are fucking retarded
>>718081708
They could have a hooked a large part of them, for sure. But like I said, they fumbled hard.

>>718079398
>after that it's going to be 1-5-1-5.
no it wont lol. they said it very clear they dont like cruel and they are not going to double the length of it, reeeeeetaaaaard.
> the campaign is the worst part of any
reeeeeeetaaaaaaard

>>718081274
>>718080291
same faggot

>>718081836
They're not going to top their ATP for a long time regardless of how good the game gets because that was from a 5+ year hype cycle.
Doomposters are already btfo though because the doomleaker has been proven wrong already and they're still working on PoE2.

>>718081836
The PoE2 release came out during the holiday season, was insanely hyped AND went viral thanks to the Elon Musk drama. If you think those early numbers are a reasonable baseline you're fucking retarded. 0.3 will probably hit like 350k to 400k.

>>718081836
a retard like you calling others a retard is hilarious.

>>718080370
Mtx

>>718079398
>more than 2 acts is already too much
this is your mind on zoomerpills

>>718080751
That was always the plan you gigatard

playing any campaign more than once is retard behavior

I really want the shadow and mine support. I feel like that could be a ton of fun PoE2.

>>718082095
>>718082110
>>718082131
>>718082172
Retarded niggers, all of you

>>718082472
>playing any game more than once is retard behavior
retard

>>718082484
>fireball
>basedface
>fireball (mine)
>excited basedface
yeah I dont get why people are so hyped for shadow/traps/mines

>>718082487
Nice sharty webm to go along with your non-argument.

>>718082621
see >>718081836 retard

>>718082681
Why would you link to your retarded post that you just got BTFO on?

>>718081708
>the core design theme is literally that poe1 is too much fun and the ideal game would be less fun.
Fucking lol this is pretty accurate.

>>718082110
Doomleaker predicted they'd drop it after release which is 1.0. He was absolutely spot on with his predictions, even talking about Chris making a new arpg before anyone knew

One of the core "problems" of PoE2 is that the launch went too well and attracted a bunch of FotM normalfags, who got filtered hard and have spent the last 8 months seething and shitting up every discussion about it.

>>718082131
Not even

>>718078646 (OP)
Not really. Brought POE2 cause it looked good at reminded me of diablo, but wasn't aware it was early ass early access so I dropped it near the end of act 1. Maybe in a few years I will come back and play it for real.

No because they nerfed monster HP by fucking 25% so the game plays itself now like every other piece of shit ARPG. This genre has such potential, but its fanbase are the lowest IQ dumb faggots in the history of mankind. Even dumber than a 12th century turnip peasant. So any time a company tries to produce something good within the space, like POE2 had great potential to be at launch, it will invariably be destroyed by these fucking niggers. Every single fucking time.

>>718083008
and reminded*

>>718082947
Fotm shitters aren't discussing the game at all. They beat the campaign and then put poe2 in the dustbin for the next fotm slop.

>>718081708
i'm literally a "normalfag' (i.e someone who played Diablo 2 a bit back in the day but doesn't touch ARPGs anymore). I thought the core gameplay of POE2 at launch was the most refreshing thing I'd experienced in a decade. But you people. You fucking people. POE1 is not fun. POE1 is a cookie clicker made for gambling addicts. POE2 was a video game. Now it's just more cookie clicker because of you fucking people.

>>718083216
they didn't even change poe2's gameplay, you're just retarded

>>718082947
>pretending it's the newcomers complaining and not the POE1 players
fucking kill yourself. your genre is ass and you are ass. and now POE2 is ass like every other game in your ass genre. fuck you.

only if:
>Duelist or shadow
>Swords or daggers
>complete overhaul of the endgame
>remove sanctum and ultimatum from ascendancy trials
>descendancies changed to ascendancies
>loot gets added

>>718079912
If they don't deliver on your points, they might as well can any future update until their supposed full launch. Nobody is coming back for a lacklustre miniscule league that offers nothing. Especially if you can't have new stuff right out of the gate, most people won't bother. The campaign takes a lot of time for not having any drops.

>>718083298
they literally nerfed monster HP by 25% you braindead gorilla

>>718083389
you're too retarded to even understand what that patch note actually said

>>718078646 (OP)
Minions on witch are still going to be shit so no

>>718083331
I fucking hope they release axes or swords. I'm tired of slow ass mace attacks that fucking take a year to smash down.
But I bet they will only release shadow with traps and daggers this time. Fucking hell, it takes too fucking long to 1.0 for anyone to care in the long run.

>>718083467
they nerfed "some monsters" by "up to 25%" ok fine you dumb faggot it's a lot easier just to say "they nerfed monster hp by 25%." It's irrelevant. The effect is that the game is now "spam to win," just like you want it. And before you say "LOL IT WAS SPAM TO WIN AT LAUNCH" again fuck you. It was that way for streamers who optimized the fuck out of everything and deliberately ran broken builds and their throngs of drooling acolytes who did the same. For any normal person the game was at no point spam to win. It was actually decent combat that required you to think and synergize your abilities. But you don't want that. You just want to get fake items in a video game for some reason with zero care about what you're actually doing with the fucking things.

>>718083712
im not that annon, also im not going to read your sperg out. but i want to know, how does nerfing the hp of some enemies is them making the game more like poe1? did you think they were NEVER going to nerf or make changes to the game during early access public testing? i

>>718083712
you went back and reread it and are still too retarded to understand it lol. monsters in the endgame have the same amount of health. the only way it matters is if you think spending 5 minutes default attacking rares in act 1 was peak gameplay. sorry if that's exactly what you wrote i didnt actually read your post

>>718083836
because the experience is night an day.
at launch, you couldn't just randomly spam one or two attacks and destroy everything with zero effort or thought. now you can. you can do it right from level 1. you could not do that at launch. I looked at the patch notes to see what could be causing this and I saw that, and I assume it's the cause. Whether it was that or something else I didn't read, whatever. The result is the same. The game is shit now.

>>718078646 (OP)
Is this for PoE 1 or PoE 2? What even happened to PoE 1, is it still active?

>>718083862
ah yes. the campaign and leveling process. that thing you do on every single character and is arguably the most fun part of any arpg. such an irrelevant footnote. the whole point of the game is to zoomzoom right to maps so you can get an extra 0.001% crit chance on your legendary buttplug. you faggots ruined mmos, too.

>>718083939
the game was always shit actually

>>718083862
also i didn't reread them I knew that information before this thread. again, it's easier to just say "they nerfed monster hp by 25%" because that's what they did and nothing you say will change it, tranny.

>>718079398
The campaign is the only good part of POE2 at the moment. Whether the endgame will ever be good is still unknown, but it definitely isn't right now.

>>718084053
>the campaign and leveling process
>arguably the most fun part of any arpg
just go play dark souls retard

>>718084165
go play a slot machine, nigger. as overrated as they are, at least fromslop are actual video games.

>>718078646 (OP)
D4 is better

>>718083304
The PoE1 "players" are the doomers that this game had for ages. Every single league it was the same "dead game" "GGG is retarded" "it's over" routine, and now they just shifted their attention to PoE2. Most people who actually enjoy PoE play both games.

>>718084217
hmm no i think ill bully ggg into ruining your favorite game by nerfing monster hp in act 1

Campaign warrior is having a little melty.

>>718078646 (OP)
Why are you post phone gacha shit here?

>>718084276
i won't be playing it or the rest of your shitty genre so you don't have to bother. you can have it.

>>718084290
are you referring to me? you're implying that i'm struggling with the campaign? I just said it's too easy.

>>718084290

>>718084324
Good morning.

>>718078646 (OP)
Still can't use any name you want for a character right? It has to be unique across all players?

I'm not playing til 1.0

>>718081274
the main thing is that normies don't engage with the arpg model of seasonal wipes and resets. They bought poe2 as a complete game, beat the campaign and played 5% of the "endgame" then moved on. Fewer and fewer non poe diehards will come back for the successive patches leading up to 1.0, on which it MIGHT have a larger than normal return but nothing will ever come close to them as the 0.1 release. They completely fucked themselves allowing people to buy in and treating it as a market viable product, because normal people paid the $20, got their hours in, and won't come back because there character doesn't work anymore. seasonal arpgs are a niche market, only slightly larger than extraction shooters, and 1 mainstream cash infusion on the 0.1 release will never make up for the financial support they threw away letting poe1 go onto life support and shitting on their existing customer base

>>718084581
If you want good phone games get wuthering waves. It good game for phone. Not this poo shit

>>718084452
>i won't be playing it or the rest of your shitty genre
eyup sounds like poe1GODS won

Is there a single multiplayer game with sequels that avoided the "GAME 1 VS GAME 2" sperging?

>>718084649
>because normal people paid the $20, got their hours in, and won't come back because there character doesn't work anymore.
That's what happened to me with PoE 1, but I really played it quite a lot, and they still nerfed every single build I played with and made my uniques useless (on Standard) so after like 3-4 nerfs I just quit.

>>718084902
tf2

>>718084958
>there character
ESL retard

I’m like everyone who played Poe really liked the campaign being an actual game then you hit maps and it becomes the same exact 50000000 hour chinkoid casino slop game designed SOLELY to rob you of your time. Never playing this turd ever again, it’s a genre designed for subhuman husks

>>718080430
Can't go back to Poe1,
I refuse to potion piano, I refuse to get suppression to 100%, I refuse to sit in trade 90% of late game searching for watchers eyes and specific clusters again just to play

>>718085051
lmao, no

back in the day people fucking HATED source engine games

>>718085134
>potion piano
inglorious basters 3.jpeg

>>718085162
no they didn't

>>718084718
Why the fuck would I play phone games

>>718085229
Path of exile is poo shit phone game you are retard

poo2 lost

>>718085226
Yes, they did. I don't blame you if you're too young to remember.

https://chatgpt.com/s/t_689e1e63dcac819199450864d21a343d

>>718085534
I played PoE exclusively on my desktop PC.
The only thing that's poo shit around here is your loo.

>>718079912
>2 weeks to fall
>middle of summer
lol

>>718085649
>he doesn't have beach weather in September

climatelet

>>718083069
They nerfed monster life by 25% but nerfed damage on gems by like 50% you retard. You literally don't even play it

>>718083712
Holy shit you're pathologically contrarian. How do you even deal with the insanity going on in your head you sound fucking schizo

>>718085647
Pillars of Eternity is good game. But confused you are on path of poo shit that is phone game. You dumb. Very dumb. Little brain.

>>718083939
Yes you could retard. You didn't play. 0.1 was far more faceroll than 0.2

>>718085775
found the floridachad

>>718085993
how is it contrarian to say that poe1(and now poe2) combat is mindless spam? you people literally cite this as a reason you enjoy the genre.

also i am a fucking schizo and i do not deal the insanity well. i'm crashing the fuck out on you poe1 demons. stop calling me.

>>718085608
why is this retarded zoomer sending me a chatgpt link

>>718083939
They nerfed monster life 2 wks into the league. You are lying

>>718086063
you're just lying, dude. please explain to me HOW it was more faceroll. Tell me what the fuck they changed that made it more difficult/engaging. Because I played at launch and it was a completely different experience than it is now, and it wasn't fucking easier than it is now, that's for god damned sure. And I have at least one patch note that supports my experience. What the fuck do you have? Besides gender dysphoria.

>>718082893
Chris hasn't been a part of GGG for years you fucking braindead moron
Doomposter said PoE2 cash grab pump and dump before GGG goes under, and that hasn't happened and we just continue to get new updates for both games now.

>>718086197
you mean 4 months ago? uh yeah that's why it's so much easier now as opposed to at launch. it came out 8 months ago.
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3742419

>>718086141
Because 0.2 BUFFED monster life and nerfed damage prior to nerfing the monster life values again. It literally released in an objectively HARDER state than 0.1 and then they took it back somewhat

Not only are you a completely retarded fucking schizo who is having a melt about a game he doesn't even play, you can't even get your facts atraight

>>718086408
Retard >>718086825
You are factually incorrect and making shit up in your own head because you saw a pat h note and schizoed out like a retarded freak. Take your fucking meds and get off the internet you moron you are literally having a mental break over a line of text you don't even comprehend

>>718086338
His arch nemesis shittery and the community completely rejecting his retardation really broke that bald retard.

even amongst the usual drivel of modern day /v/ threads, the level of ESL grammar in this thread is too fucking damn high; is that why it's called poopie2? do only brownoids SEAniggers play this shit or something?

>>718086995
no he is right. notice how the link is to a hotfix? the fucked up the buff, jonathan and mark talked about it after the fact.

>>718087115
To some extent. Based on that interview, it sounded like he got to the point where he was just overseeing a game that was nothing like the original he set out to make, and no one there has anyway to change anything major in it without the community having a metldown (an understandable one anyway, who would want their favorite game to become something different?). That and the only other thing he really did was PR and boring company managing stuff, not the gamedev fun he wanted.

any new memes since the garbage launch? i've been out of the loop most of the year

>>718087238
That's because they buffed blue and rare packs by an insane amount. That hot fix was specifically put out to address that, they got it wrong and adjusted. It was literally easy street for a matter of hours and then fixed again to still be in a more difficult state than 0.1

Just give me Templar and I will reinstall

>>718088217
>here's your class that requires you to block attacks and spells in order to activate your abillities!

>>718088269
sounds like poe 1, should be fun.

>you can now slowly move while using super charged slam
>you can now queue a leap slam during supercharged slam and it will unleash the channel at the slam location
How saved would melee be?

I'll give this game another shot if they ever introduce an AH. I'm not dealing with SEA and chink bots in trade 24/7.

>>718088917
I just don't play trade league anymore. Forces me to use strange items that I wouldn't normally use as well.

>>718087992
They made the game even more of an aggressively unfun slog and more players left. That's about it

>>718088048
>in a more difficult state than 0.1
this is just so not true, dude.

>>718078646 (OP)
Reminder that you will have your bussy gapped with resistance penalties for each new act we get.

>>718090960
wouldn't be a problem if they fucking released the crafting bench already, what's the hold up

>>718088048
>>718086995
>>718086825

0.02b hotfix 2
>Reduced the life bonus of the minions of Rare monsters from 400% to 94%. This undoes a change that was made in 0.2.0 that when paired with the life change made yesterday, significantly improves the grindy feeling in 0.2.0.

0.2.0 hotfix 6
>All non-unique monsters have less life, tapering from 100% to 75% of what they had between levels 8 and 15. All monsters between level 15 and 46 now have exactly 25% less Life. All monsters between level 46 and 64 now have less life, tapering up from 75% to 100%. This results in all monsters in Endgame having the same Life as before this change. Their thresholds for Crowd Control and Ailments have been adjusted proportionately by the same amount.

i'm googling this and I can't find anything attesting to your statement hat 0.2 "buffed monster hp" and these nerfs were merely to undo that. the minion hp thing is said to reverse a 0.2 change, but the regular monster HP isn't. I can't find anything anywhere supporting that.

>These changes are supposed to smooth out the progression curve and address feedback that the early and mid-game felt a bit too spongy, which players have been very vocal about already.
(because of course they fucking were because they're retarded arpg players)
https://www.poe-vault.com/poe2/news/poe2-hotfix-6-cuts-monster-life-by-25-here-is-what-changed

Nothing about reversing unintended buffs other than minion health, which is not what I'm fucking talking about. The way their own patchnotes phrase it, the regular mob nerf was simply an ADDITIONAL layer of making the game easier.

If you can find something proving me wrong, by all means. But stop fucking calling my mother's house. I swear to god I will sacrifice a thousand ravens if I have to.

>>718090960
the resistance penalty isn't going to change.

>>718091469
so now I rerolled the class I played at launch. oh yeah. I was DEFNITELY two shotting all the mobs in the starting area with my starting wand. Oh yeah it was totally this easy at launch yeah totally. Fuck off.

>>718091515
COPE

>>718091469
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiFLwjFI4S4
>there were some blatant fuckups speaking bluntly..
>..with the rare minion life it was like what the why
>>718091670
you already have a resistance penalty for the 6 act campaign retard.

get hyped poo2sissies

>>718091820
yes MINION LIFE

That's not what hotfix 6 is saying. MINIONS are not "ALL NON-UNIQUE MONSTERS"

I am the retarded schizo tourist to your game but I am still more capable of understanding basic English apparently.

>>718091905
ziz is a lispy pampered faggot who is bad at video games and so are you

>>718092236
maybe watch the interview and read a few more patch notes to get a better understanding of what happened instead of shidding yourself like a retard?

>>718091663
ah yes it's all "game knowledge" as to why I'm killing the miller in 15 seconds. ah yes. I just know so much more about the game and can use my 1 attack spell and dodge so much more effectively now that I completely destroy the miller in 15 seconds. Oh and that ice witch outside Clearfell. I'm sure killing her in 15 seconds without taking any damage is just totally down to my game knowledge. Yeah that's it. Fuck you.

>>718092461
you posted the interview and gave me a greentext that completely ignores the issue at hand. you have fucking nothing. if you did, you'd post it. you don't. you just assert. i've given two patch notes and a basic interpretation of what they are saying and it all points to general monster hp nerfs that have nothing to do with reversing anything that was done in 0.2. The MINION HEALTH is what was fucked up and fixed. Not the MONSTER HEALTH.

And all this after you tell me I'm an idiot who's completely misinterpreting patch notes. Absolutely pathetic and fagacious.

Again, you are dumber than a retarded schizo tourist.

>>718092305
>she's seething

>>718092749
the issue people had at the start of 0.2 was white mobs that spawn with rare monster being tankier than the rare mobs. that is what the greentext is in reference to and that is what the hotfix was addressing. you yourself say you are a tourist so what the fuck are you talking about?

>>718092902
I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS YOU FUCKING IDIOT
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3742419
THIS IS NOT THE SAME THING YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, DOLT

THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT:
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3745868

HERE LET ME SPOONFEED IT FOR YOU A SECOND GOD DAMNED TIME YOU RETARDED ARPG NIGGER

will probably play the first day get raped and feel misarable, wait Jonacuck buff my shit again and come back.

>>718093210
notice the dates there?
they thought they addressed the problem(0.2.0 Hotfix 6 april 5th), they realized they didn't, so they fixed the actual problem(0.2.0b Hotfix 2 april 6th).
hence the 'blatant fuck up' comment.

>>718093569
ok. let me even grant your framing.

so they erroneously nerfed mob hp by 25% in order to fix the problem of increased minion life introduced in 0.2. This wasn't the actual problem, so they then reverse the change in 0.2 that was actually causing the problem. They COMBINED these two changes together, even though only ONE of them was at all related to 0.2. They KEPT the erroneous fix on top of reversing the actual problem.

So they broke it. They fixed it. And on top of fixing it, they nerfed mob hp by an additional 25%. And this is blatantly obvious to me the truth, because I'm playing it right now and it is a complete mindless faceroll from level 1, which it absolutely was not when it first launched.

So after all of this, I am still correct. You can't even argue that I'm not. Everything you say is a misunderstanding of your own fucking game and you are being schooled by someone with less than 200 hours in it and 15 hours in POE1. ARPG players are the LOWEST form of life on the fucking planet.

>>718093949
>increased minion life introduced in 0.2
and not only did they buff all monster life they fucked up and giga buffed rare minion life.
you can't figure this out because to your own admission you don't play the game? so idk have fun seething about the game. it'll will be f2p when the early access ends, try it out.

>>718093949
>I'm playing it right now.
Okay post build and screenshot this second

you know its bad when the thread is two niggas chimping out about patch notes

No Druid, no play.

>>718094235
>they buff all monster life
do you have any shred of evidence to support this claim? it isn't in the 0.2.0 patchnotes and nothing in the hotfix mentions anything about a mistake being made on regular monster health. Just minions. Do you have a single fucking fact to back up your frivolous ramblings? DO YOU?

>>718094239
i'm level 3 i haven't even killed the worm thing yet.

i recognize that endgame maps are unaffected by this change and I don't care. the early and mid leveling experience is important and that is what was affected and is just totally not fun anymore.

>>718093949
They didn't revert the buffs retard. The buffs to monster life come from the minster aura and affix system a holdover from poe1. The modifiers buff minion and blue monster life by around 600%. The only monsters that are now weaker are white mobs that were getting one shot anyway. All the other mobs are still like 300% stronger instead of 600

>>718095067
>I'm level 3
So you're a fucking idiot then

>>718095067
and before you say "ONLY LEVEL 3" i have been leveling a sorc before this which is where I first encountered this problem. I just started this witch because it's what I played at release, and maybe the sorc is just way OP compared to the witch, but while it's very early it already does feel way easier on the Witch than I remember. Could be a knowledge thing. I don't think I was as fastidious about my unearthing as I am now, but based on the patch notes and your utter lack of anything resembling evidence, I'm going to trust my own experience.

i find titan quest 2 to be more enjoyable

>>718084718
I hope this is bait.

>>718095067
>early leveling from 1 to 3 is now ruined
Actual retard
Literally post any proof you were personally affected by this. Post your 0.2 character that you had when the patch went live

>>718095185
white mobs weren't getting one shot. It took like 3-4 hits to kill them with a basic attack. Now it takes 2, maybe 3 at most. It might not sound like much, but you apply that across the hundreds of monsters you fight and it adds up. They all just melt very quickly and I don't even get a chance to use half of my kit.

>>718095067
>do you have any shred of evidence to support this claim?
wut?
>Reduced the life bonus of the minions of Rare monsters from 400% to 94%. This undoes a change that was made in 0.2.0
>This undoes a change that was made in 0.2.0

>>718095257
like clockwork.
no you're a fucking idiot. because the problem being present at level ONE matters. it doesn't even meaningfully change until the MID SIXTIES. Meaning basically the entire leveling process is now way easier. THAT FUCKING MATTERS!

>>718095260
Read hotfix 2
https://www.poe2wiki.net/wiki/Version_0.2.0b

>>718078823
No, it'd just be 1-4 on a steeper scale.
They're aware how much people despise Cruel at the moment (cause of going through Act 3 twice mainly).

>>718092305
i know he raped you but relax jonathan you deserved it

>>718095445
oh my god you are so unfathomably retarded.
I AM TALKING ABOUT THE 25% HP NERF NOT THE MINION NERF YOU FUCKING DUMB NIGGER! Is this the 3rd time I've said it? Are you actually incapable of understanding basic words and concepts? Of course you are, you're an ARPG main.

>>718095507
Show me you one shooting a monster at level 1.

Literally all you have to do is show it

>>718095534
yeah i literally posted that already multiple times you anencephalic. you're just too stupid to know what you're even arguing about.

Sucks because I feel like playing this game right now but just can't until the new update. Hopefully they just fucking release it instead of doing a stream with some faggot streamer then I have to wait another week

>>718095618
show me where I said I was oneshotting mobs at level 1. You're the only faggot here who ever said oneshot.

>>718095590
That change was a bandaid and was reverted are you daft?

>>718095590
they buffed life in 0.2, they fucked up and over buffed minion life. then they nerfed it, and then nerfed it again once they realized what the problem was.
then they went on a pobcast and explained it and called it a blatant fuck up.

>>718095353
Name the 4 button combo you cant use since you "only" 3 hit things now.
>>718095753
Name the skills or show the gameplay. You can't because you don't know what you're fucking talking about

>>718095741
>instead of doing a stream with some faggot streamer then I have to wait another week
they will do this. just close your eyes for two weeks and it will be the same.

>>718095797
>was reverted
citation fucking needed

>This undoes a change that was made in 0.2.0 that when paired with the life change made yesterday, significantly improves the grindy feeling in 0.2.0.
Doesn't sound like something they plan on getting rid of, does it?

Show me the receipt of them reversing the 25% nerf or I will just take this as another historic win for the retarded schizo tourist against the hardcore POE players.

I'll admit, at first I thought I fucked up. I am a tourist, after all. It's very possible I'm just ignorant of something. I'm not following it that closely. But so far everything that has been said has been a self own on you guys' parts. Constantly missing the point and refusing to even engage with what I'm fucking saying.

>>718095989
We are engaging you're just too retarded and paranoid to think you're wrong

Still have yet to post what 4 button combo you can't pull off at level 3

>>718095930
well i did mention unearth in an earlier post. on my first witch I used a couple of melee skellies, two of the grenade skellies. my main rotation was popping contagion and that aoe ground curse thing that puts a dot on mobs that you can detonate with hexblast (I think it's called that). I use the bone spear thing for my bit single target DPS against bosses. I use bone nova or whatever it's called. I got to early mapping before I got bored. You really think I don't play POE2? I'm just here ranting for hours about a game I don't play? You are the schizo, not me. Believe it or not, people can have genuine disagreements about things without being insincere trolls. "You don't play the game" is just cope because you haven't said anything of substance while I'm posting hotfix notes. You guys are just reposting the same hotfix notes I am and arguing against a phantom that doesn't exist.

>>718096283
oh and I also used detonate dead. that was a fun ability that helped get nice chunky damage out. now i probably will never have to use before endgame.

>>718096208
there aren't even 4 button combos at level 3 you retard. i have contagion and unearth and my wand that's it. plus the skeletons.

>>718095989
i think you are just confused about what happened, but it was explained to you several times and you still can't grasp it so i don't think there is any hope for you.

>>718091087
there isnt a crafting bench, we have runes :)))

>>718096453
This.
The most complex shit at level 3 is 3 buttons and involves Parrying or some shit, lmao.

>>718095887
>they buffed life in 0.2
any evidence of this whatsoever? do I have to sit through an hours long fucking campfire chat to hear it? can you at least give me a timestamp? They explicitly refer to the minion health nerf as being a reversal of a 0.2 change. They do no such thing in relation to the 25% hp nerf. The notes and the coverage all point to the fact that this is simply a new addition to the game, having nothing to do with reversing a previous change. If i'm wrong, give me a timestamp or a patch note or fuck off.

>>718095986
Not sure how that annoying ass Darth faggot became the go to streamer

>>718096453
So what button aren't you getting to press retard? You said your epic gameplay is ruined because shit dies too fast.

>>718096492
all I got was repeated mentioning of minions, which is completely irrelevant to anything i'm saying. and one or two assertions that monster health was blanket buffed with nothing but a youtube video I have to devote the next 2 hours of my life watching before I can even comment on it. I'm getting the patch notes, meet me half fucking way here.

>>718096283
Post. Character

Protip: If someone is outright ignoring what you're saying and just repeating themselves or fixing on some minor detail of your post, they're just baiting for more (You)s.
Step 1: Stop replying.

>>718096705
ok let me level up like 5 or 6 more times so I can get more abilities and then I will come back saying the exact same fucking thing.

how about my sorc. that's a good one since i've already leveled her a bit. All I do is put down frost bomb and either the thunder orb or sun orb thing. I often will put down both but I have no reason to. Either one combined with frostbomb will kill pretty much any pack immediately. I don't have to think about positioning, I don't have to think about synergy. Just throw a frost bomb down, everything immediately loses like 80% of its HP. Then I can do basically anything to finishing them all off and the whole engagement is done in 2 seconds with virtually no input from me.

How was that?

>>718094931
same

>>718078646 (OP)
Not really. I have little confidence in this patch fixing the glaring issues the game has.

>>718096780
To what end? I post my launch character? How would that help? I don't have any other characters past like level 30 in the post 0.2 game. "only 30" does not fucking matter, because those 30 levels were an utter bore to play, because I'm just mindlessly spam killing weaker mobs than existed at launch. 1-30 was NOT boring at all at launch. The repeated boss nerfs also make the entire thing a waste of my fucking time. Geonor was like a BIT overtuned at launch. But now he, like everything else, is a one and done faceroll every time. To be fair, a lot of that is knowledge, but the nerfs are also felt.

>>718096780
here is my launch character. feel free to laugh. i'm a tourist and i do not follow build guides, but it works for me.

>>718096728
because you want to be right so you will ignore everything or handwave it away.
>nothing but a youtube video
of the two main devs saying the fucked up buffing monster life in 0.2 and then fucked up unfucking it.
or the patch note that mentions the 300% nerf to monster life undoing the change to monster life in 0.2
anyway, you are 100% right big dog and you have my full concession. i will also cope, seethe and dilate for good measure.
shan't be giving you anymore (you)s though, toodles.

>>718097343
fuck i'm retarded here it is

>>718096841
If this is directed at me, yes I am baiting for (you)s but I also believe every single fucking thing I've said in this entire thread. And I'm trying to see what the fuck my opponents are saying but every time I do they just say "but muhnion health doe"

>>718097498
At least you admit it. Keep on going then, lad. I just PSA post occasionally, because people forget/are greenhorn newtards.

>>718097424
>or the patch note that mentions the 300% nerf to monster life undoing the change to monster life in 0.2
where's that? I might have missed it. You aren't actually referring to the minions again, ARE YOU?
You aren't ACTUALLY referring to THIS again, are you?
>Reduced the life bonus of the minions of Rare monsters from 400% to 94%. This undoes a change that was made in 0.2.0 that when paired with the life change made yesterday, significantly improves the grindy feeling in 0.2.0.
This thing that has nothing to do with the 25% hp nerf? But you for some reason keep on repeating ad nauseum. It's tiring at this point.

You posted a dev vlog. Congratulations. I'm not going to watching a 2 hour fucking video. What's the point? This thread will have archived by then. Post the timestamp where they say what you are saying. I will watch it. If you won't, fuck off.

>>718097431
why

>>718097569
I think we are all just going to keep the thread bumping.
I like seeing the PoE2 logo when i'm scrolling the catalog.

>>718097753
i like my chaos dots. again, works on my machine. also at the time I had no idea how meta eshield was so I probably didn't put much into it if anything. same with blood mage. i didn't know it was so inferior to infernalist. i just thought it sounded cooler.

I'm hyped for Jonathan to get on his hands and knees and beg for mercy before finally being executed. I hope everyone else at GGG doesn't get to quit the studio so easily and are forced to make endless slop as punishment.

>>718097868
Same.

>>718097569
however I take umbrage with the statement that I'm "outright ignoring" and "fixing on some minor detail." That's not what I'm doing at all. I am genuinely trying to understand you fucking people.

I say they nerfed mob hp by 25%.
People say this was merely a reversal of an accident in 0.2. They, via their own admission, are referring to a completely different patch note that deals with minion health. They then claim that actually they were both reversals of a 0.2 change, but only the minion patch note makes this claim. To prove that the 25% buff was indeed a reversal, they post a 2 hour dev vlog with no timestamp, which itself is bad faith. Nobody is going to come through 2 fucking hours of a video for an argument on 4chan. It's literally impractical as the thread probably won't exist by the time I find it.

I am pissed off and I am fucking insane but I am also honest and trying to get at the truth here.

IT'S TOO FUCKING EASY

They significantly reduced build variety by locking skills to single weapon classes, making all damage come from a small set of specific skill interactions and from generally simplifying the math.
They've made the skill tree far more uninteresting by making changes that are supposed to make it more interesting.
They've reduced the number of drops in order to make better items drop, it still ended up with 99.9% of items dropped being trash. The worst part is that with the heavily reduced crafting options, you now have 0 oppertunity to turn trash into something useable like in the base game.
Skill level being restricted to dropped gems means that a struggling build cannot grind to increase their power.
The end game is just running between map markers killing boring rares.
The game just sucks, and before anyone goes
>you're just mad that the game is harder and you can't just blitz through the game
You're a fucking moron who hasn't played the game, because you absolutely can speed through the entire game and one shot everything and phase the bosses, if you're not able to do that you just suck.

>>718079398
But what would happen to the poor writers making the engaging stories for those acts?

>>718098673
>you absolutely can speed through the entire game and one shot everything and phase the bosses, if you're not able to do that you just suck.
nobody did this at launch unless they were following a meta build. definitely not in campaign, and DEFINITELY not in the first 3 acts.

>>718098673
You have to go to town just to refill your flasks. This game is COOKED!

>>718097919
I mean all these minor nodes, you can remove half of them and lose nothing.

>>718098673
>Warrior coded nodes are "at 3pm on the 2nd day of the month you are allowed to have fun for 3/2/1 second.
>Dex gets free belly rubs

>>718098843
i'm a noob what can I say. and I'm still dishragging you fuckers up and down this thread.

For sure, will be starting HCSSF as usual. I probably won't, because there will be new bosses that fuck my shit up. Pretty burned out with PoE 1. Game is so solved these days.

>>718098780
My first character I didn't because I didn't understand the damage changes. My second character on the other hand did because I knew how the game worked and the options I had.
>>718098870
Oh yeah, I guess I did forget to mention the absolutely broken balancing. But I kind of just take that as always going to be the case for GGG as it usually takes them several leagues to get things right in that regard.

>>718098870
>Warrior codes nodes
And also -5% attack speed.

I'll play if they fix Sparkmage.

They buffed mob HP overall in 0.2. Then they applied a blanket 25% nerf to their HP an hour or less into release, which we figured out because mobs were spawning in missing 25% of their HP suddenly. They never listed the specific HP changes, either adding or removing it.

>>718099275
I find it hard to believe that they would buff all monster HP without at least mentioning it in the patch note. If you have a timestamp on that video where they state this, fine. Provide it. Or provide some kind of print evidence of this. So far you are just saying it and that is meaningless to me. I read a patch note that says 25% less health and I'm playing a game that feels significantly easier than it did 8 months ago.

>>718099190
pretty busted if you play it on bloodmage.

>>718099448
To be fair, they might not have buffed monster HP overall. But what they definitely did was slash the DPS of just about every build, so it had more or less the same effect. You can see that in the difference between gems in 0.1 and 0.2. I can't confirm the mob stuff either way but I can tell you that I was playing on release at 0.2 and I saw the mobs spawning in missing 25% of their HP like I mentioned.

>>718098889
I'm a noob, you're just stupid
Instead of spending all your points on these minor nodes you could spend them on major nodes and get all the necessary stats along the way. It's as if you're afraid to leave this small area around the start

>>718099275
here are the patch notes for 0.2
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3740562

The only references to any kind of monster survivability I am seeing on this skim is that they reduced monster armor by 30% and reduced boss health. Just making the game easier. Not a single mention of any blanket change to mob HP. Not even a generic statement of it without specific values. You're telling me they did that but didn't mention it in the patch notes, or in any of the subsequent hotfixes? All they address in the hotfix is the reversion of the minion health. Nothing about a blanket increase to monster health. Unless I'm simply not reading the right hotfix. There are like 50 of them.

>>718099707
>You're telling me they did that but didn't mention it in the patch notes, or in any of the subsequent hotfixes?
That is the opinion of a lot of players, yes. I can only report what I saw and what I felt.

>>718099190
Nothing to fix. It has been "Balanced."

>>718099521
>To be fair, they might not have buffed monster HP overall.
There it is.
Well, it looks like they undid the DPS slashing because I'm fucking assraping every single thing I come across for at least the first act and a half.

>>718099885
I'm just covering my bases. I hopped into this conversation now, for the record. The most tangible thing I can point to is 0.1 -> 0.2 gems being rebalanced.

>>718099794
And now I'm reporting that the current state is insultingly easy compared to launch. While other people are saying it's harder. It just fucking isn't.

>>718099950
ok my bad

Will they fix the infinite atlas or the god awful leveling?

if not then no

>>718099951
I suppose I didn't comment how I feel about the state of things from 0.1 to how it feels now, and yes, I do think the game has ended up easier. Some of those changes actually happened in later 0.1 iterations but the particular ones that have made the game a lot easier are the massive 0.2 loot buffs. From 0.1 to 0.2, it looked like they wanted to rebalance things and get rid of high-end DPS builds, in general make the game harder. Well, they released Lightning Spear and despite the fact that they slashed a bunch of scaling on a bunch of gems, enemies seem to die even easier.

>>718099539
>It's as if you're afraid to leave this small area around the start
nigga i'm not even aware of all that peripheral bullshit because 90% of it is useless for my class. they obviously put all your class stuff near the center. and obviously a shitter like me is going to see things like chaos damage and casting time and get that. for the record, I did actually plan out a bit more of my build .that character is only 71. I had planned on getting some more casting time nodes out to the far left (which you can't see in my screenshot). so actually I'm now reassessing my earlier statement of not being aware of peripheral stuff. I do now remember hunting for cast time nodes and settled on one or two clusters kind of far away from the center. i just never leveled her up that far to get them.

>>718097431
Yeah no one should care about your opinion

>>718100373
well i'm a retarded noob and I'm still making a more cogent case that the monster HP was nerfed than you faggots are making the case that it wasn't.

>>718100475
Coming from 0.1 to 0.2, regardless of a nerf playing a Chaos DOT build should feel significantly more potent because Chaos DOT was one of the few things that only received buffs, outside of Hexblast.

>>718100223
>chaos damage and casting time
>hey obviously put all your class stuff near the center.
Anon...

Here's my Chaos DOT build. I give up on Armour/ES for 0.3. It's why I died.

>>718078646 (OP)
>0.3
Wasn't this supposed to be 1.0 by now?

>>718100614
i didn't really have any issues with it at the time. hexblast was devastating when combined with contagion. and even pre-hexblast it wasn't hard to get contagion to pop and melt away a crowd. but i had to actually earn it with a few casts and it took an extra 5 seconds. that's literally all it takes to completely change the feel of a game.

>>718101084
If you take the nodes in the top right to cut duration and put Fast Forward on it, you can get Hexblast down to like every 1.5s and it's pretty good DPS at that point. It can still work, it's just kinda clunky. If you were enjoying it anyway with longer, maybe something to check out.

>>718100735
i got casting time basically only for bone spear. it's very useful against bosses and trash alike. it does a fuck ton of chunky damage. and it really benefits from casting time.

Bros, do you think PoE 2 will ever get to PoE 1 levels of fun? Where you don't have to grind for 20 hours to start putting together a build.
I love the fact that in PoE 1 I can just pick up some jank build and play something like coc from act 3 onwards. Why does PoE 2 hate player freedom this much?

>>718101164
thanks i'll give it a try. i suppose i can still play her since she's at maps.

>>718101018
Some retard keeps saying this and the answer is always no.
They posted an "estimate" of "at least 6 months" for their Early Access period on the Steam page.
Anyone who knew anything about GGG knew this was a bold-faced lie.
And it still is a lie. Expect another year minimum at the current development speed.

>>718100735
and yeah i'm not saying there aren't peripheral things that are good. but those are for the people who know what they're doing. for us plebs they give us the center and any chimpanzee can get some use out of it.

>>718096948
Based.

>>718101229
they accidentally turned poe1 into d3 a few years ago, poe2 is correcting that.
play last epoch or tli if you are bored with poe1.

>>718101229
Why do poe1 players love playing cookie clicker so much?

>>718101176
>>718101447
This has to be bait

>>718097431
Most of your points are fine, the only thing you should really get rid of are the critical nodes since those don't work on DOTs and the recoup nodes aren't very useful either frankly. You should also try to get more INT on your gear rather than investing so many points into it on the tree. A bunch of those travel nodes around the start could be taken out and pathed towards deeper into the tree. In general, the farther you go in the tree, the stronger the effects get.

>>718101610
no at this point i've calmed down and i'm just talking. i'm a noob. you can't tell me bonespear isn't good and doesn't benefit from cast time. i literally played it myself. maybe it isn't meta or something but I was having trouble with bosses because all of my abilities were aoe/dot/curses so I got bonespear and it solved my problem. I solved a problem like a real POE player.

>>718101658
thanks i'll play around with it this weekend

>>718101514
What makes you think I want a cookie clicker? I just don't want to slowly grind for 10hours to get to lvl 70 before I can play something like coc. Or fucking lvl 60 for eow, wanna use corpse skills on minions :DDD just get to lvl 62.

Nah fuck that, I'll just play TQ 2 at this point, had more fun with that in its beta state than with PoE 2 so far.
And grinding random maps with random layouts that you can't chose, that spawn in random monsters... yeah fuck that. That is not content.
Played PoE 1 since its closed beta. And even then when it was slow as molasses, it was still infinitely more enjoyable than PoE 2.

>>718101863
>What makes you think I want a cookie clicker?
You play poe.

>>718078646 (OP)
>path of exile 2 ruined
>last epoch ruined
>titan quest 2 is trash

>>718101710
Half of your minor nodes are nonsensical. All these int nodes at the beginning look like bait, nothing stops you from simply moving them to another place and spending them on travel instead of being at the start.

>>718101863
the poe 2 equivalent to coc would be cast on x, which is easier than coc to get up and running.

Even in its current unfinished halfbaked state, Poe2 is still a better game than 1.

>>718101920
>nothing stops you
that's where you're wrong. i have like 15 hours in POE1. For all intents and purposes, this was my first POE character. I had no fucking idea what I was doing and I didn't follow any guides. This is what a noob build looks like. And it worked perfectly well for the entire campaign. I'd probably have to rework it to get deep into maps, but I didn't play it much after doing the first few levels. I will take the things you and others have said and apply them to my builds going forward.

Rolling mechanic = Garbage
Farming = Garbage
Currency System = Garbage
Item Generation = Garbage
Whales = Garbage
Market System Exterior to Game = Extra Garbage
Botted Market = Super Mega Garbage
Chinese and Russian Hackers = Garbage
Streamer Addicts = Garbage
Screen Clearing ADHD Builds = Garbage
Characters = Forgettable
Dialogue = Written by Sonic x Harry Potter adultfanfiction.net downs sperger
Music = Avril Lavigne was better
Promises = Broken
Fun = Non Existant
Missing Content = 10000000000000%

>>718102003
yeah, it is. it feels like old poe without the layer of 2013 indie jank.

>>718101958
First off, the equivalent of coc in poe 2 is coc. Its literally still called cast on crit.
And second its literally not easier to set up. In PoE 1 I can get coc running at lvl 38 as soon as I get the gem. Which is considered late in PoE terms. In PoE 2 you literally can't get some of the better ones till lvl 14 spirit gems, which puts them at the lvl 60~ limit. You pretty much have to finish the campaign before you can play the build. I don't care for games where "just play for 10h I swear it gets good after bro" is the core design of the game.
Poe1 is grindy as fuck, but at least it gives you a lot of freedom. Poe 2 is grindy in the worst fucking possible way. Every single fucking thing is turned into a chore. Where you even have to grind to be able to grind.
>wanna run some juicy maps
>clear shit maps to set up towers
>clear bad maps to lock them out
>finally can run a handful of maps
>time to start grinding towers again
Yeah man, I hate being able to chose what to do with my own time, and I enjoy it when a game puts a hard limit on how much fun I can have.

>>718102127
I don't want to offend you but you really might be stupid. It's not about knowing the game, it's simple logic and rationality.
Changing the skill tree in PoE 2 is very simple and these are just useless nodes created so that you can get to other more important nodes

>>718102593
>>clear bad maps to lock them out
What makes a bad map?

dead genre

>>718102593
>tfw they ruined dd because of you coc suckers
go to hell

>>718102642
>Changing the skill tree in PoE 2 is very simple
>anything being simple for GGG
Its been over 14 years and they still can't add a sort inventory/stash button.
It took them over 12 years to increase the looting radius so items could not get stuck behind objects anymore.
Just think about this.
>>718102727
Shit layout. Or retarded mechanics like the levers in augury. I heard they "fixed" it, but I have not checked it myself. However, I would 100% lock out auguries before applying the tower.

Did they make it easier to move around the map since launch?

>>718102642
Bruh we've been calling each other retarded faggots for like 3 hours at this point. I don't give a shit.

I won't call you stupid, but you are myopic and mired in your own context. Nobody outside of POE players even knows what "travel nodes" mean. POE skill trees are not like regular skill trees. They're a game in and of themselves. And I just started playing the fucking thing. And I'm not watching any kind of youtube guides on anything. I did pick up the concept "travel nodes" by casually listening to streamers a few times, but it's not like I really studied it or internalized it. You've been playing this shit for so long you don't know what it's like for the uninitiated.

>>718102870
I see. I personally don't mind running any map, but for what it's worth it's pretty easy to lock out bad maps by intentionally failing them with low tier maps.

>>718102802
>tfw they ruined dd because of you coc suckers
>go to hell
Doubt it, if anything got DD nerfed it was unironically cast when stunned. It allowed void map farming on day 2, and full afk 15 wave sims.

>>718102593
>the equivalent of coc in poe 2 is coc.
i meant for ease of use in the early game, cast on shock is like a t8 gem.

>>718078646 (OP)
Ready to revisit
Druid should be fun

>>718079398
Fuck off metafag
Usually campaign is the best part
>MUH MAPS
>MUH ENDGAME
>MUH MARGINAL NUMBER INCREASE

So uhhh since poe is broken bloated shit and poe2 is unfinished garbage, what do I play instead?

>>718103190
Nox

>>718101920
also i'd like to know what minor nodes are nonsensical. non-meta maybe. but nonsensical? one guy mentioned crit. fair enough, I didn't know it doesn't apply to dots. but I think I still get use out of it for bonestorm (I now realize that i've been incorrectly calling it bonespear this whole time), hexblast and bone cage.

>>718102593
>I can get coc running at lvl 38 as soon as I get the gem.
That sounds fun without hits can't be evaded and shit tier crit chance.

>>718085134
>I refuse to get suppression to 100%
Yeah, this is getting real tedious. Almost every build needs suppression too.

>>718103271
>single player
>can't run on modern machines
Pass

What about Titan Quest 2?

>>718079398
Retard zoomie go watch tiktok

>>718079398
I hope they never make ARPGs for subhumans like you
Can you imagine if Diablo 2 devs listened to you

>>718102870
>Changing the skill tree in PoE 2 is very simple
>anything being simple for GGG
You literally just pay a little gold to the NPC that you encounter in the first act.
>>718102953
>Nobody outside of POE players even knows what "travel nodes" mean
What do you mean? You want to reach the nodes you want, so you spend a few skill points on stat nodes. That's just common sense.
>You've been playing this shit for so long you don't know what it's like for the uninitiated
I haven't even played Poe that much and here's my very first build.
>>718103312
These int nodes at the start are nonsensical, you can take them in any other place

>>718103482
tq2 is pretty janky and has like 5 hours of content. play slormancer, it's like 2d d4 if d4 was good.

>>718102958
Sounds fun right?
>check atlas
>path to all the bad maps clearing low tier maps to speed it up
>fail the bad maps using up a few low tier maps
>path to the tower
>use a tablet
Whoaaaaa I get to play the actual game for a while. No more than 14 maps tho, would not want to overdose on fun.
>time to start looking for another tower in a good spot

>>718103067
>want to play bow build
>just play a sword build, its the same
Are you retarded? I want to play cast on crit, why are you trying to sell me cast on shock?
When someone asks you for a chaos dot build, do you also recommend them lightning strike?
Also unless you are talking about on launch cast on shock, good luck making it work early. Shit was hilariously overnerfed the last time I checked it out. You could literally clear full screens of mobs without having it triggered once. You needed full investment into trigger gems, from ascendancy to gear to supports. Also go ahead, look up the builds, all have a "post nerf" clause.
>>718103389
>lycosidae lvl 11
>goredrill lvl 5 dagger with 9.75 crit
>ungils harmony lvl 23 300%~ crit chance
You can easily get capped crit chance with a curse/pcharges flask, or any other combination of supports.

Also hits can't be evaded is less of an issue, since you will be running crit nodes with accuracy that early on, and you will also be running precision, so lycosidae is not even neccesarry.
Time for you to move goalposts once again anon.

I played POE2 for like 50 hours and literally only ever got to act 3 the first time around so I was apparantly like not even halfway through the current content before end game at that point. The game was too hard and too grindy. Clearing levels took way too long cause of how shit the rng of items is

>>718103716
>You literally just pay a little gold to the NPC
Yeah, early on, and by early on I mean lvl 25. If you want to change at lvl 60 god forbig you are trying to change ascendancy nodes, you are shit out of luck. If you spent any gold on anything else, you are fucked.

>>718103760
This posts reads like a schizophrenic madman to anyone who hasn't play any of the games or even video games in general
Don't get me wrong I 100% understand it but it's a funny thought

>>718103768
cast on shock worked fine in 0.2, i played a few builds with it including a cos spark bloodmage. i had no issues.
and some skills and items are gated behind level requirements in poe 2, no different than poe 1. deal with it.

>>718085134
>>718103430
my favorite build, a dancing dervish witch, never got suppression but got to 100 just fine. granted she does have all the purity auras and with additional nodes 85% all resist

>>718103482
If you liked TQ 1 its nice, I like the changes to the skill system, the map is also a massive improvement over the TQ 1 maps, but its only got about 2 acts worth of content. 3h if you just go trough the main quests, 6h if you clear out the map looking for side questing.
I got way more hours out of it, but that is because I enjoy testing out different class combinations in that game.

>>718103870
Its like 2k for normal nodes and 10k for ascendancy for level 70
And at this point rare items are selling for 1k-5k

>>718104276
And early on it's like a couple hundred. The cost rises significantly.

>>718104257
>gated behind level requirements
Yeah, in a slow game. Where they keep slowing down progression.
I dealt with it. I uninstalled, and have not returned. I value my shitposting time too much to spend hours and hours of my time playing something I don't find fun, just for a promise of something great at the end. Its not the fucking 1990s anymore where I would be starved for good games. I can just pick up a different game where I can have fun from the first minute onwards. PoE 2 is legit designed by someone who is into cbt and thinks everyone shares his passion.

>>718102727
the ones your bug ass mama fucked

>>718078646 (OP)
Haven't played since the start of dawn of the hunt. Has it improved?

>>718078646 (OP)
Give me Druid or Templar and rebuff SRS.
Tbh I don't know because it is just a repetition machine. Maybe I should wait for the full story to be released.

Is it free yet? I'm not paying to fucking beta test a game.

>>718104276
Hah, the fact that you could not even find a 5k item at that level should tell you a lot. 10k per ascendancy nodes = 20k per actual ascendancy node since you need 2 for each. Also you can clear full maps without a single rare dropping. So you can go fuck yourself. Sure, you can get lucky and drop a full inventory of rares. But have fun farming items when you want to respec because your build is shit. So now you have to slooooowly grind trough maps, 10-15 min clear times if you are fast. Getting enough gold to respec 2-3 nodes out of each map.
Nice, only 4 hours or so of playing something you hate so you can maybe have fun later if whatever you respec into works, otherwise, enjoy another 4 hours of miserably slow grind with a build you don't want to play.

>>718104707
Not yet but it was free since the beginning of you knew where to look

>>718101912
TRUST THE PLAN
TWO MORE years

>>718101229
its pretty on par where poe1 was in open beta. nostalgia faggots are just coping in denial. complaints like level gem levels demanding too high character levels are simple numerical values they can fine tune. and like poe1, it has garbage placeholder end game. all the atlas eldrich god shit from poe1 came way, waaaayyyyy later. at the start the map device was in maligaros lab and you could barely get any basic maps. making to the equivalent of red maps demanded full party organized farm groups that CRAFTED their fucking high tier maps with exalts to sustain them

>>718104819
Playing that kind of game offline is kinda dicks, though.

>>718105071
Not offline or pirated

>>718104792
i just sell maps, you find a million of them and they are worth a fair bit.

SSF is the only way to play the game.

>>718104792
>Hah, the fact that you could not even find a 5k item at that level should tell you a lot
That's because all my equipment is below level 60.
>Also you can clear full maps without a single rare dropping
what

>>718104962
>its pretty on par where poe1 was in open beta
I don't think I have heard anything as delusional in a while. Poe 1 closed and open beta early days were insanely high power level, sure the game was slow, but holy fucking shit. 100% crit? Easy, MORE crit chance flasks
Es bases? Only now have current ES items caught up with open beta PoE numbers.
1 tapping shit? Sure, just equip facebreakers.
PoE 1 mapping in beta was fun because you had to try squeezing out every fucking bit out of the maps to get the next one. PoE 2 mapping is a sea of garbage, infinite fucking garbage where you have to wade trough hours of shit to get a few minutes of fun gameplay.
Do you not see how you are very well describing how PoE 2 turned interesting systems where players had agency into a fucking chore where you can't chose fucking anything, and are pretty much gated by chores.
PoE 1, you could buy any map, rolled or not even as early as closed beta.
PoE 2, you can go fuck yourself.

I don't even know why I bother arguing with people who are probably younger than my PoE account.

>>718105313
>>Also you can clear full maps without a single rare dropping
>what
Actually true. If you ware not running your maps rare (which I assume is the case for a low lvl character which is trying to respec), you could get out of maps without a rare. I think they fixed it now when they forced bosses to drop some rares.

>>718105451
>runs white maps
>gets shit loot
Who could have seen this coming?

>>718105451
Here is the loot from the first rare enemy killed on level 1 white map

TRVKE ALERT

>>718105330
this is absolute fucking nonsense lmao.
one of the oldest memes in poe 1 was mirroring a map to win an xp race. map sustain was a very real issue for the first 3-4 years of the game.

>>718105503
Are we still talking about someone who wants to respec?
>>718105562
Whoa anon, thanks for your contribution. Now its been confirmed that all you can get from rares is 2 rares and a single orb of transmutation per kill.
Maybe we should get a sample size larger than 1 but hey, who cares about RNG in a game like PoE which clearly lacks any sort of variance.

I think its interesting that their solution to all the crazy shit killing players like volatile plants and offscreen meteors was just to nerf all the difficult stuff rather than give players tools to deal with them.
Where does it end?

>>718105691
Here's another one. So far half of the rare enemies dropped at least rare item

>>718105683
What are you talking about? Who is talking about map sustain being easy in PoE 1
Are you ok anon? Nobody ever in this thread map sustain in beta was easy. The opposite even, I literally said that you had to put everything you had into maps.
Did too much PoE 2 destroy your brain?
>PoE 1 mapping in beta was fun because you had to try squeezing out every fucking bit out of the maps to get the next one
LITERALLY THE POST YOU ARE QUOTING you fucking retarded babboon.

>>718105794
Are you saying that half of the rare enemies did not even drop a rare? Even filtered rares?

>>718105794
Holy shit, confirmed, rare mobs have a 50% unique drop rate.
Holy shit PoE is really forgiving with loot compared to PoE 1.
Again, why do I argue with people who don't understand a simple concept like variance. Or the fact that someone who wants to respec their fucking build after hitting maps will not be running around maps with 30% movespeed boots and a juiced as fuck build.

>>718105810
>you could buy any map, rolled or not even as early as closed beta.
in current poe 1 prices, a t16 was worth over a divine.

>play a few hours of poe1
>hey this isnt bad, I like it
>play a few hours of poe2
>hey feels tighter, I like it
>go back to poe1
>it feels unplayable

>>718106128
many poo2turds do like to spam this meme

>>718106237
So Im not the only one who had that experience? Interesting, maybe it's not by accident.

>>718106237
he's not wrong, it took me a day and a half to make it out of the campaign in phrecia. going back to poe 1 feels like fucking assssssssssss.

>play a few hours of poo2
>god this feels like dogshit
>go back to poe 1
>now this is a game

>>718106457
Yeah having all your skill slots be rng tied to equipment is so amazing.

I can't go back to mouseclicking after using WASD.

>>718106310
>>718106528
POE2's WASD and active blocking are really nice mechanics, they did make the game feel a lot "tighter".
Grim Dawn with dpyes (which adds WASD) is the best feeling ARPG I've played. Play that if you haven't, the WASD makes a big difference and it works very well.

whens druiddddddd

>>718105912
Yes, but this is a white map. But at least I found some good bases for crafting and some currencies
>>718105930
I still don't have good boots with movement speed, and guess what, the game is completely playable.

>>718106527
It unironically was.
POE1 if you had socket pressure you could sacrifice item stats for a 6L. If you had skill pressure but not link pressure you could sacrifice a 4L skill for 4 1L utilities. You just don't have that option in POE2. Every 1L utility you want to use is sacrificing a whole 4L/5L depending on where your progression is (its just based on progression since you if you can 4L/5L one gem then you can probably 4L/5L all of them).

>>718106527
yes, the poo2 skill system is a downgrade

>>718107028
Only because its unfinished in variety, not because I have to reconfigure with every new piece of equipment.

>>718107090
>unfinished
That's total bullshit you and you have to know it.
Look at how all the skills they have currently are designed. They don't have a shortage of gems, they have plenty of skill and support gems, but they absolutely butchered the composability of skills and support gems. Every skill is for one particular weapon, and every support gem is clearly designed specifically to be used with particular skills and particular weapons.
Flicker strike being quarterstaff only is retarded. You can look at poe2db.tw and see that many of the unreleased skill gems are literally just "this skill that already exists on this other weapon but for this weapon instead".

>>718107090
my biggest complaint with it is the ui is clunky, and not being able to downgrade gems. running out of low level uncut spirt gems is unbelievably annoying.

>>718107318
God forbid weapons have any individual identity whatsoever. If you wanna bitch about being locked to something, bitch about ascensions being class locked instead, that's more annoying because there's nothing you can do to fix it besides start over on the only class that gets the ascension you feel like trying. And none of your post counters that theyre going to add more skills.

>>718107318
>every support gem is clearly designed specifically to be used with particular skills
as opposed to what exactly?

>>718107794
as opposed to poe1

>>718107507
>socket flicker strike to use with staff
>socket flicker strike (sword edition) to use with sword
very identity, much unique, wow

>>718107507
>God forbid weapons have any individual identity whatsoever
Take flicker strike for example. I don't think just saying "you can only use this on quarterstaff because I said so" gives quarterstaff any identity. What WOULD is if say flicker strike's teleport range scaled with weapon length/range (as well as attack speed scaling your teleport speed). You could use flicker strike on 2H mace, if you want, and there's a niche there as a slower hard hitting flicker strike. But if you want the TRVE flicker strike experience, then the innate properties (eg. the IDENTITY) of the quarterstaff will lend itself to that.
The IDENTITY should be innate, universal properties of the weapon type which are explored and filled out by how those properties interact with skill gems.
>>718107794
I just moused over a random support gem in po2db, chain support. It says it makes skills that already chain, chain an additional time. Why not make skill gems which don't chain, chain? Why only allow this support to affect already chaining skills? That's how it works in POE1 isn't it? I wouldn't know. I only play melee.

>>718087982
More accurately, he didn't like Tencent forcing a dogshit cashgrab sequel on him.

>>718107318
They definitely need to have attack skills overlap with weapons. At least one more weapon should be able to use said skill. I'm not really buying this weapon identity bullshit, especially when mace is already doomed due to being the fucking slowest.

>>718107090
no, in concept and execution

>>718108347
he hyped poe 2 more than anyone else in the company because it was a return to form.

>>718108394
>when mace is already doomed due to being the fucking slowest
I mean that's just GGG retardation. If they replaced the windup lag with ending lag on maces they'd feel way less shitty. The way attack speed works in POE is also an issue. They need some way to make slow attack speed into a net positive. One creative way to do that is if you actually just treated attacking as a quasi-channeling skill. That way eg. scaling damage based on channel time could interact with slow attack skills. Perfect strike as a "the longer you spend attacking the more damage you do" would turn from a specific, hardcoded skill to a property you could intuitively reach through support gems.

>>718108645
Actually factually he literally left the company over it lol

>>718108202
There are no swords in poe2. Play it first.

>>718108225
>Take flicker strike for example. I don't think just saying "you can only use this on quarterstaff because I said so" gives quarterstaff any identity.
Well that's because you're retarded.

>>718108801
sure he did.

>>718108801
he almost cried the first time he showed it at exilecon.

>>718108645
Did you see what that "return to form" even looked like prior to jonathan getting hold of it? It was completely fucking different. The game Chris wanted looked like this :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVRADmjzsss

>>718081836
The comparison here is actually fucking crazy.
PoE2 is a game with so much more potential, but its non-combat systems are just fundamentally not fun in the longterm.
IMO, a part of it being less fun is the fact that every build becomes anti-dynamic and based entirely around 2-4 skills being spammed for hundreds of hours, taking very significant time or ingame wealth to actually allow the player to vary playstyles at a pace that feels natural.

The Virgin PoE2:
>refuses to let players have fun
>nerfs skills into the ground so hard some of them aren't even campaign-viable
>thinks "crafting" should just be pulling a slot machine lever
>so lazy it just copy-pastes endgame from PoE1 even when it clearly doesn't work
>2 games, 1 build
The Chad Last Epoch:
>wins by doing nothing

does any poo2 retard have any excuse for the endgame playing like poo1 but worse or are they going to continue acting like it's actually more engaging than from's hardest bosses

>>718108839
>doesn't understand basic hypotheticals
This is your brain on poo2.

>>718106128
It's the WASD. It's a painful learning curve to go back to click move.

>>718109254
Endgame was always for virgins, campaign is a good time and better than every ARPG in the past 20 years. Stay mad!

>>718109160
wasn't chris the guy who hyped up 'hard mode'? or as it is now known 'ruthless'
whats the point of making shit up like chris loved the zoomer meta?

>>718109338
it's 3 acts

>>718109338
sounds like poe1 ruthless campaign is the arpg for you, slow and methodical just how you like it

>>718109324
Its a stupid thing to gripe about, you can use whatever weapons you want and neither game has always been about letting you do EVERYTHING. Its not like anyone ever actually uses 8 different weapon skills. Most of endgame poe is screen clearing just by walking.

>>718078646 (OP)
1.0 or bust at this point. Early access was "way too fuckin' early" access and has only served to delay PoE II from realistically ever coming out in full.

>>718109396
>zoomer meta
who the fuck are you quoting retard?

Fangs of Asterkarn.. not soon, but gettin' there.

>>718109338
>campaign is a good time and better than every ARPG in the past 20 years.
This was true until the mass nerfs in 0.1-0.2 that levelled out every build into a fucking strugglefest experience dps-wise.

>>718109032
And then he almost killed his company over his retarded changes with expedition and arch nemesis. I still remember how petty he was and what massive tantrum he threw. He's a complete fraud and a faggot.

>>718079398
The only problem with an aRPG's campaign is if it drops dogshit loot that has no use beyond leveling. This turns it into a race to get it done with asap so you can grind the same garbage maps over and over again.
Literally all they need to do is make low level uniques that stay useful till endgame and allow drops of decent currency and done, the campaign is now a blast.

>>718109254
Sorry but WASD is just that game changing, 1 is outdated and unplayable.

>>718109653
This is a gigantic problem with PoE1 and a mild problem with PoE2, BUT that isn't the ONLY problem a campaign can have.

>>718109496
I want to talk about Grim Dawn but anons are too busy kvetching about POE2.

I've been running a vitality oppressor, using scourge strike and soul strike with a two handed mace on weapon swap for siphon soul and guardians of empyrion for comfy melee summoning gameplay.
My skill tree looks really jank because of that, and I want to switch from the item skills to righteous fervor and WPS skills but when I tried it, it was super expensive on passive points and actually came out to LESS damage than just slotting soul strike. Also kind of awkward because necrotic strike and reaping strike are mainhand only so if you want to use necro's WPS skills it seems like you're shoehorned into a 2H build (or maybe dual wield, I don't know if it hits with both mainhand and offhand when dual wielding).

>>718109495
>make up lies
>get called out on lies
>sperg out over random word
where the fuck did i quote 'zoomer meta'? fucking retard.
chris hated the zoom zoom meta, or the going fast meta, or whatever you want to call it.
he was the first person to bring up hardmode, he was known for 'the vision' and 'feel the weight'.
kys faggot.

i tried wsad but i prefer click. and im a relative newbie to arpgs with <1000 hours across all I've played. With WSAD I'm just holding down a key for 99% of the game and in a game like this it just doesn't feel good to me. And with click in combat I feel like I'm juggling a lot with the movement and it makes it more interesting. I think POE2's momentum system is a big part of it, too. You can pretty easily fire while moving backward if you know how to use it. Not as easily, but good enough. There's something very "conductor" like when I'm using click.

>>718109806
I prefer WASD because I like moving around a lot and repositioning during a fight. Having to click on enemy then click the ground then click the enemy then click the ground like four times a second sounds like an absolute hassle as opposed to just keeping my mouse on the enemy and tapping WASD keys and left click.

>>718109793
and literally what the fuck does any of that retarded shit you spouted have to do with what i posted? >>718109160

>>718110005
what path of exile 2 IS is what chris WANTED
he was very vocal about that.

PoE2 will never die because it's created for an almost entirely new audience than PoE1 and it clearly stuck. It's simply a matter of finishing the game and ironing out kinks.

Here's the real truth nuke: PoE1 isn't a fun game. The combat is bad. The visual clutter after this many years is absurd. Bosses all the way until pinnacles are absolutely dogshit. PoE2 simply blows it and all competition out of the water in these regards and it's not even remotely close. ARPGs as a genre have seen next to 0 gameplay progress or innovation in decades, and PoE2 is the first game to actually do it. The game is set for success as long as something doesn't drastically impact their vision along the way to 1.0.

>>718109653
If all you care about is the campaign, why do you need items to be relevant beyond it? You're complaining just to complain.

>>718109940
that's what force move is for. you're not losing a skill because you can just use one of the CTRL slots. definitely nobody should use click without also using force move in their LMB.

>>718110556
>and it clearly stuck
kek, rollsloppers didn't even come back for 0.2
poo2 is fucked

>>718078646 (OP)
>0.3

How many years until 1.0?

this is what chris said about ruthless
>we've been playing with this internally, the internal name we have which is a terrible name from a marketing point of view is hard mode
>me and jonathan and eric and mark absolutely are obsessed with and it's a lot of fun to play
seems like him and jonny were on the same page.

>>718110603
But you still have to click on the exact spot on the ground.
Eg.
>I need to move a little bit down and left:
>Hold AS until I'm right where I want to be and let go
vs
>Move my mouse from what I'm trying to do to that exact spot then move it back

I guess its the ambidexterity of it. Being able to use my left hand for positioning of my character while my right hand is for positioning of my skills/attacks.

>>718110556
How can a game like PoE2 with conflicting game mechanics be good? How can you defend the Parry mechanic in a game where standing still means your death unless you stack ES?

>>718110608
0.2 wasn't shit
We're coming back for act 4

>>718110626
We're not even at 0.10 yet, plenty of time.

>>718110608
0.2 had more players than poe 1 ever had and it's still pay to play.

>>718110720
yeah I know what you're saying. i just like it idk. probably a disadvantage but I like it.

>>718110626
Jonathan promised it would be out in 2025 for sure

>>718110608
0.2 had a lot of players dude. Normies are mostly avoiding the game because Early Access has gotten a bad rep over the years, which is deserved. If you think this game won't hit 0.1 EA numbers again on launch you're in for a rude awakening.

>>718110745
I'm not talking about mechanics. It's unfinished and they're clearly still soul searching about defensive layers (see: armor, ES, etc). I have many, many, MANY problems with PoE2's mechanics as-is. But those are incredibly fixable. I'm talking solely about the pure foundation of gameplay in PoE2. Movement, aiming, using skills, fighting enemies, fighting bosses. Every single one of those, in PoE2, is light years ahead of PoE1 -- and any other ARPG for that matter. To deny this would be completely retarded.

>>718111246
>still soul searching about defensive layers (see: armor, ES, etc)
Maybe. But I feel like you have to extend a fair bit of grace to think that. GGG have been historically very stubborn and didn't someone recently ask jonathon and mark about the Armor Question in an interview and they kind of just shrugged it off?

>>718109751
Your Skill setup sounds jank as hell.

>>718111384
I've watched all the interviews they've done and as recently as I can remember both Jonathan and Mark have said Armor is something they're still trying to figure out what they want to be useful for and to what extent. Considering the state of defensive layers in PoE2 in general, I wager they don't want to *just* rework armor and call it a day. Because as-is I think ALL defensive layers need a complete shift/rework. ES is too good, life is nonexistent, evasion is not great, armor is ass. If I know Jonathan at all, I believe he would rather rework all the systems and sit them all in place at once rather than rework armor now and then adjust the others later.

>>718111407
It is jank as hell. My "rotation" looks something like this
>mark of torment -> soul strike -> ascension -> weapon swap -> blood drinker --> scourge strike -> soul siphon -> weapon swap (which cancels blood drinker) -> attack for one second -> dodge out -> soul strike -> weapon swap -> scourge strike -> weapon swap -> attack two seconds -> dodge out -> repeat
Its fun though.

>>718109224
You know like 90% of OSRS players are bots right?

>>718111549
IIRC the stats from 3rd party trackers placed it at around 15-25% which is still fucking awful, but the sheer number of actual players isn't something to sneer at.

>>718110318
Nope. He was vocal about wanting the release footage that I referenced.

You're a dumb retarded nigger bye

>>718111528
>If I know Jonathan at all, I believe he would rather rework all the systems and sit them all in place at once rather than rework armor now and then adjust the others later.
That's definitely true, but unfortunately the result seems to be the issues languishing for eternity.
We did eventually get that massive melee balance pass in I think it was settlers or necropolis league? That was cool. But that was a LONG time coming.

I think the interview was the last one he did with ghazzy and someone else. It was really awkward. I don't think they've done any interviews with GGG since then since I think most of it devolved into complaints.

>>718112027
>w-why won't you believe my lies?
kek

>>718112027
Chris shilled Ruthless mode which doesn't have travel skills, a crafting bench, quicksilver flask, flasks can't even gain charges while active, etc. Sound familiar?

>>718111539
Handcrafted bullshit is often quite fun, no matter how janky it is in Grim Dawn. Cause you can actually build tank early on, unlike PoE1 where it's either instantly kill everything or die instantly.

>>718112125
I get you. I'd rather armor be fixed now than GGG take their sweet time, but it IS early access. This is the one instance I think that's excusable behavior. But I think they should communicate more. Doing their typical silence and then big reveal stream doesn't work as well for a 2025 Early Access product imo.

>>718078646 (OP)
>hyped to be a beta tester.

>>718112529
Actually my tankiness on that character is starting to suffer. It took me like four times before I managed to kill the loxmere nightmare in port valburry. My tank is usually okay, I've got an obscene amount of leach, 15K hit pool, 1.1K armor rating and mostly capped resists, but I think my shield is letting me down. I've got about 40% chance, about 0.8s recovery time, and somewhere around ~1k block amount. Do you know how you scale this thing? Outside of the actual shield choice (I was using the ghost shield and recently switched to the wendigo shiedld) but my options are fairly limited because I want vitality damage and phys to vitality is kind of hard to get my hands on.

>>718112621
they haven't released the tank classes yet so a buff to armor now might push it into the stratosphere when they add all the gems and supports with templar/druid/marauder.

reminder they said the game will launch by the end of 2025 and in 10 months the only thing we got was a single new class

poe after 3.14 is like pulling teeth. why make the early game slow as shit with no drops?

They never spoke in absolutes, you're a schizo

>>718113012
I don't remember that, no.

>>718079398
based
I would actually play poe again if they let me skip the god damn campaign.

>>718079398
I have more fun doing HC runs in the campaign and then seeing how far I can get in maps before dying than a forever character in maps.

>>718078646 (OP)
hyped for what? they haven't shown anything

>>718112801
That's reasonable for general grind content, but I'm not surprised it's suffering in Valbury.
As far as Phys to vit + defense...
Yeah, basically just Wendigo shield.
Maybe the Legendary rifle, Soullance.

>>718113254
they said it in multiple interviews, also those 6 months were 2 months ago btw, and they only delivered 1(uno) single class out of everything listed there

>>718081708
Lol seething kike

>>718113549
I actually found a soul lance recently. I was considering chucking it on my offhand for ranged since it looks pretty gnarly but I'd need to find a nice cooldown weapon skill for it. Mostly was going to use it for sniping crystals at range. I've got 80% aether res but they still sometimes chunk me.
I'm using a mythical corpse desecrator, it has crap stats but I don't want to give up the 16 RR and it has some phys to vit. I've managed to scrounge together around 55 phys to vit which isn't actually that bad, I could PROBABLY switch to a phys shield if I could find one that was really good. The lich guard looked pretty cool except that its damage value seems really low.

>>718113681
>thay said 6 months game out!
picture of what they actually said
>uhhh so yeah anyway they said 6 monsth and that were mont ago so uhhhh yea
why are you retards like this?

>>718109254
Nah, endgame is the worst part. It can be threatening but there's not much pushing you to make it so.

>>718113858
They're brown with low IQ, like everything else trolling is even facing a competency crisis.

>>718079398
>the campaign is the worst part of any arpg
rofl

>in development for 7 years
>almost a year after 'early access'
>only at 0.3

>>718114840
>4 months shy of a year is "almost a year"
Tranime faggot

>>718114840
PoE Derangement Syndrome.

>>718113858
Grinding Gear Games (GGG) hasn't specified an exact date for the full launch of Path of Exile 2, but they have indicated that early access is expected to last at least six months, according to RPGStash and PC Gamer. The game entered early access on December 6, 2024, and the Steam page notes that it will last "as long as needed". A past interview with game director Jonathan Rogers suggested that, based on the six-month estimate, the full release could potentially be around May or June of 2025
first result in google you retarded shill mongrol, you are actually hurting the game by praising incompetence

>>718115278
>at least 6 months
>could potentially be
Retard.

I might dabble if I have time, but at this point I'd rather wait for a full release to sink any significant time into it

>>718115278
ESL moment

>>718078646 (OP)
Ahem, excuse me. When does this free to play game become free to play?

>>718115597
With the release of 1.0, at the current rate that will be 2027-2028.

>>718115447
>>718115545
>n-n-n-n-n-no that doesn't count
sad!

I still don't believe Act IV is gonna happen. It just makes no sense.
>Game is built around 6 acts
>Right now it is Acts 1-3 -> Cruel acts 1-3
>Act 3 is the current story for the end game
>Act 3 is also the least popular act by far
So if they add Act IV would you just 1-4 and then 1-2? Or 1/3? Or 3/4? Like it is just too messy.

He can't even spell "mongrel" properly and you still considered it a good idea to respond to him.

>>718083331
You're getting Druid with a small chance of Shadow
End game is not getting an overhaul, just new layouts, a new league mechanic, and probably another tower rework
You're getting Trials of the Ancestor's for a 3rd ascendancy option, my guess is it will be easy because of how much people whine about sanctum/ultimatum
They said they are reworking the bad ascendancies
Game's loot is fine since 0.21, was unacceptable in 0.2

>>718117315
*You're getting Shadow with a small chance of Druid

Any of you niggas playing the Last Epoch league?
I honestly don't know if I am. I played the release, I played the 1.2 or whatever with the weaver shit, but so far they've just added blatant power creep items and that is it, no major end game changes like the weaver's will stuff which I thought was actually great for the game. Maybe if they had like 10-15 new weaver maps I might check it out, otherwise I think I skip and wait for PoE2 0.3

>>718117737
Too expensive. Make it free to play and sure Ill try it.

PoE2 desperately needs an economy update. Items costs thousands of exalts and hundreds of divines (sometimes thousands) because there are no currency sinks. In PoE1 divines are used for meta crafting and this creates value (in addition to their normal use). In PoE2... nothing. They are only expensive because there are just less of them so people are not trading in LITERAL10k+ exalts.

>>718117737
Nah, game is too boring. I've done campaign on 3 chars since launch and I can never retain interest beyond normal monos. I've never even finished half of them. Endgame is atrociously boring and has 0 challenge. It makes the good crafting system worthless to have no content that forces you to use it.

>>718106128
Meh.
I have like 4k hours in PoE1
I have like 300 hours in PoE2
Going back to PoE1 after playing 0.1 and 0.2 was easy and PoE1 is just so much better. Yeah, WASD was cool and all but PoE2 is just so boring and lifeless right now. The passive tree sucks. Mapping/end game sucks. Most uniques suck. Most ascendancies suck. Most skills suck. While some of that can be applied to PoE1, the sheer amount of shit means that the raw number of viable skills/uniques/classes/builds is better and the end game is leagues (pun intended) better.

>>718112125
The Ziz interview was good. It actually felt real.
Jonathon started out kind of heated and stressed, but he did literally stop, apologize to Ziz, say he was being an ass and then the rest of it felt normal. Not defending the state of 0.2 or the fact that PoE1 took a year to get a new league, but that sort of interview is rare for a dev to do.

>>718117336
If they add shadow with just traps/mines then fuck it, it might as well not exist. I hate traps/mines. I'd rather fuck a trap IRL than play with them in PoE.
If they add daggers that is a different story.

>>718118108
As someone with only a few hours in both, none of that endgame shit that theyre just going to work on more later matters to me when I immediately noticed that the basic act of just simply moving around, aiming, attacking, and everything UI related felt so much worse in 1 after playing 2.

>>718117737
isnt it the same league mechanic as the previous league? summon monster it gives item? i swear LE has that right now?

>>718118279
Shadow is Daggers + Traps (if Mines exist, they're a subset of the Trap 2-H weapon), so both should be added.
Claws, unfortunately, are Gloves now.

>>718118220
That interview was entirely pathetic by Ziz and I felt bad for Jonathan having to have the patience of a fucking saint dealing with this troglodyte.

>>718118108
You can have all the build variety in the world. I want good gameplay above everything else. PoE2 is so far ahead of 1 it's laughable.

>>718118290
Sure, if all you wanna do is play the campaign then I am sure PoE2 feels better, but if you care about basically anything else PoE1 is miles ahead. I want PoE2 to be better than PoE1, but it is legitimately going to take years to get to that point at this rate.

>>718078646 (OP)
no, the game is dogshit and you know this
it took them 5 years to make this piece of shit, you think they fixed it in 4 months?
come back in another 5 years and maybe you'll have something that isn't ass, but it won't be before then that's for sure

>>718118373
It would be the first time they added 2 weapons to one class though. Right now every class is sort of tied to one weapon. Don't get me wrong, I know shadow is SUPPOSED to have both, I am just not sure if they will add them. I hope they do, Traps/mines suck.

>>718118334
The league mechanic is:
Find a beast and kill it
Choose to save 1 of 3 babies that basically gets a buff and drops a certain item/league currency
Do the next map, kill it, choose another 1 of 3 babies to slowly build up a monster over time

Trade league currency for items and shit at a vendor. It feels like Arch Nemesis (one of PoE's worst leagues) with extra steps.

>>718118431
Mercenary already has traps and mines.

>>718118390
>but it is legitimately going to take years to get to that point at this rate.
I'm so confused when people say this. Did you really think PoE2 was just going to come out and have more endgame mechanical depth than PoE1, a game that has been available in the public for over 12 years? GGG has been fairly transparent with saying that they just started working on endgame right before release. That campaign has been their focus almost the entire time. Do you just not pay attention to anything they publicize or speak on?

0.3 will flop like 0.2 did

>>718118531
I paid attention.
I paid attention that the game was announced years before it came out and when it did come out it launched with less than half the classes/ascendancies/weapons, only 3 acts, and an end game that was cobbled together in a few months.
I also paid attention when they said the rest of the game was 80-90% finished and that they wanted to release in 2025.
I paid attention when it has been 8 months since release and they've added ONE class/weapon

It is not about it not having as much shit as PoE1, I understand that. It is about the game's end game only containing shit directly ripped from PoE1 and me not understanding what they did with these YEARS of development time. I sound angry, but I am just baffled. The only explanation is that it was rebooted multiple times. I understand it was originally supposed to be tied to PoE1 (2 campaigns, 1 game) and the divorce of the two caused issues, but how fucking many? The game was announced in 2019, right?

>>718118431
I could see them scrapping Traps entirely, I wouldn't really mind.

>>718078646 (OP)
will the game be free for everyone?

>>718119081
Eventually yeah.

>>718119081
When 1.0 launches, yeah
When will 1.0 happen? At this rate in 2 years lmao

>>718080192
the last time they were so silent they announced a delay

>>718118531
>Did you really think PoE2 was just going to come out and have more endgame mechanical depth than PoE1, a game that has been available in the public for over 12 years?
You people make the dumbest arguments.
Yes, it needs to.
It is not competing with a game from 12 fucking years ago is it? It is competing with games TODAY. Therefore when you release a product, it must be as good as the games available today
It is not that confusing a concept. Consumers will not give you any "awww but they had 12 years so you get 12 years too now" support, it will never fucking happen man
If your game cannot compete with the games currently available, your game either shouldn't release or shouldn't exist to begin with. It should release when it is capable of competing with the market. It is your job as a developer to reach that state of being able to compete.
5 billion indie games get released because instead of directly competing, they try something slightly different and offer something from a new angle. GGG have not done this (they're not actually capable of this) and in general major dev studios do not do this because it requires actual talent and not just 9-5 monkeys who don't care about the job or suits who are only concerned about money and returns.
Compete at the same level or offer something substantially different, those are your only choices, there are no others.

Diablo II's inventory system kind of sucks.

>>718119120
>>718119119
:V
come on just release the heckin game already cunts

Diablo I is an incredibly underrated game. The only issue is that it is short. I beat it twice last weekend and I really enjoyed it.

>>718119748
They made more money from the launch of PoE2 than they did in like 2-3 years of PoE1, IIRC. They literally paid off the entire development of PoE2 already.
Basically they are incentivized to keep selling this pack as long as possible.

>>718119717
Kind of? It's the worst fucking part. I don't really understand why they insist on making me portal back all the fucking time. Every time I ask people gesture vaguely and say some bullshit like "muh friction" as an excuse for why their game has literal 90s tier QoL.

>>718118734
>I understand [...] an end game that was cobbled together in a few months.
>It is about the game's end game only containing shit directly ripped from PoE1 and me not understanding what they did with these YEARS of development time
You can't even get your story straight. You completely ignored what I said in my post just to bitch and whine about the same things more. I want it to release faster too, nigger, but you were explicitly told what EA was releasing with and that endgame was made in a rush months before just to hit that EA target. And you're bitching about that like you couldn't have possibly known. You're a useful idiot consumer.

>>718119265
>It is competing with games TODAY
Oversimplification. PoE1 is a live service game that has systems upon systems and mechanics upon mechanics that are all built upon each other, overlapping, all working together. No game is going to release in a state that is the same level of polish and intricacy as a live service one that's been running for well over a decade, ever-evolving based on feedback. That is impossible. Internal teams simply do not have access to or the capability of rapid mass testing that contribute to that. You're a retard of the highest order.

>It is competing with games TODAY.
Yea, you're right. It's competing with Diablo 4 and Last Epoch and Grim Dawn and Torchlight. PoE2 has more players than all of the ones that track numbers and has significantly better gameplay, visuals, boss design, music, etc etc than all of them. So I'd say it's doing alright, eh?

>>718119953
The fact that the game released with only 3 acts and had the entire "endgame" put together in a few months is exactly the problem, dude. Considering we still lack the other acts they were not coming out with 0.1 even with the "few months" of development time. They had basically nothing to show. The way the game released in 0.1 it was not ready. Not even remotely. It was either forced by Tencent or they needed the cash.

>>718119265
This almost sounds correct on paper, but it actually doesn't reflect reality. Titan Quest II has garnered tons of positive feedback and its content is barely a fraction of what PoE 2 offered at launch, and it's only slightly cheaper than PoE 2.

Similarly, Last Epoch went through a very troubled development and it took several years before it exited Early Access, and even the 1.0 release was terrible, with servers not working for the first few days.

It's PoE 2 specifically that is being held to a much higher standard than the rest - which is not entirely unfounded, mind you - but I see a particular brand of doomer bullshit that I'm getting very skeptical of.

>>718120097
So then don't play it until 1.0 nigger? This is such pointless bitching. It's an opt-in paid early access. You knew how much you were getting when you paid. This is so retarded.

>>718120256
The problem is the direct interference with PoE1. First it was 2 campaigns, 1 end game. Then it was PoE2 won't effect the development of PoE1. Then it was we have to stop developing PoE1 to focus on PoE2.
PoE1's new league had better retention than PoE2's 0.2 patch. The starting number was lower, but more people stuck around. The audience for PoE1 is still alive and well and had to wait a fucking year for new content.
All the while PoE2 has been going nowhere. Development is at a glacial pace. There are still core fundamental issues going unaddressed.

The team needs criticism. Yeah, they are unlikely to read it here, but the option is not to "just wait for 1.0" (whenever that will be) because if they just released all of the acts and classes tomorrow the game would still be fucked up. If PoE2 was getting tons of patches then I wouldn't care. It is the fact that they have added so little and have so many issues this long after release.

>omg who cares why do you care
Then why are you even in this thread talking to me? We all obviously care.

>>718120435
>The problem is the direct interference with PoE1
Of which you finally thought to bring up like 10 posts in to your bitching? Great. It's fair to be mad about this but forgive me if I think you're just looking for things to be mad about at this point.
>The team needs criticism.
Yes they do. And they need significantly more helpful criticism than "go fffaaaaaaassssssteeeeeerrrrrrr!!!" you retarded nigger. Endgame in particular has such complex and nuanced issues that you're doing nothing but harmfully misdirecting by screeching like a little child about getting exactly what you were told you were going to get for your money.

>omg who cares why do you care
I didn't say or insinuate this. It's not about caring. It's about facing reality, accepting what is there, and making the best of it. You're an idealist not a pragmatic person, therefore I see you as subhuman and lacking in intelligence.

>>718119824
>They literally paid off the entire development of PoE2 already.
No they didn't, not even close. You do not understand development costs if you think this.
And yes, they made a spike of money. They will never make that spike of money again, it was a 1 off, even if they did come up with another way to sell something on that scale - which they haven't and can't - the fans would not purchase it after the results of their first purchase.

>>718119953
>Oversimplification
It does not matter how much you argue otherwise, that's how it is. The consumer DOES NOT CARE about any of your excuses or "b-b-but please go easy on us and give us blahblahblah". Compete on the same playing field, or they will not give you their time and money. Either way is fine by them, but either way is not so fine by your developer.
Grim dawn is better than poe2 in a hundred ways. Torchlight has a fucking dogshit mobile game that is better than poe2 at current. Last epoch is better than poe2 at current. Making it shinier doesn't matter one single iota. Do you know what poe2 is competing with on even footing? Wolcen lmao.
And saying "it's competing with d4" when d4 is objectively bad and already completely and utterly lost within its genre is showing you how dogshit your game actually is

>>718120107
None of these games were praised as "competing products" when rolled out in EA or with limited content. Last epoch is now in a state that it should have been at release. Titan quest will be praised because the original was an actual good game, with lots of legacy and lots of support. It is praised as "yeah this is good framework, release it with content and we're good". If it releases with no content at a competing level it will be panned. That is not the argument anyone is making for poe2, they're trying to argue it's already good and that it already has any content at all when it does not, and that they can magically conjure up content to ever keep pace with poe1, which they cannot.

>>718120943
>It does not matter how much you argue otherwise, that's how it is
It's not at all. You're simply ignoring reality. Are new MMO releases held to the standard of content and size that WoW has? Of course not.

>Torchlight has a fucking dogshit mobile game that is better than poe2 at current.
lol, ok, I'm mentally checked out at this point. I can't take you seriously when you're this retarded.

>>718120943
Jonathon said that they paid off PoE2's development via the sale of the keys. He most likely meant the money spent up until that point or an arbitrary cut off date. Of course PoE1 and 2 have continued to cost more as they receive further development.

>>718121127
No anon, I refuse to play any roguelikes until they have as much content as Nethack, otherwise why even bother?

>>718078823
>only releasing act 4 despite it being near done when game was released and act 5 already having gameplay
>Act 6 is a SMALL act as well
Pretty tragic if so, but it's delusional to imagine act 5 will actually come this time without them having the ability to drop an oriathan character like templar or duelist

>>718119759
Rogue games are intended to be short. They sought arcade-like replay value. And it worked, Diablo is a good game to replay. It was only with Diablo2 that autists latched on to the idea of endlessly re-running the same character on the same map just to farm very, very rare Boss/Ubers loot.

>>718121541
Ehh, I really don't see how Diablo 1 is particularly good for that. I know that you don't always get each quest or whatever but it is the same game multiple times. Just you decide to use a sword + shield, bow, or firewall.
I think if they just had nightmare and hell give better/different loot it would have made it fun to beat it, it having the same loot was kind of weird to me.
I obviously really liked D1, but I don't know if I'd replay it. Maybe just to try out hellfire even though I've obviously heard mixed things about it.

>>718120943
>None of these games were praised as "competing products" when rolled out in EA or with limited content
And neither is PoE2? The bottom line is that people are buying these games and leaving positive feedback. But it's PoE2 in particular that gets flak far more than other games released in a similar state or worse.

>Last epoch is now in a state that it should have been at release
That's not how things work, and speaking in terms of "could have" / "should have" is meaningless, unless you have a better point of reference; What other ARPGs have come out in Early Access that are exemplary?

>That is not the argument anyone is making for poe2, they're trying to argue it's already good and that it already has any content at all when it does not
You seem to be conflating things. Claiming those things doesn't mean that people who enjoy PoE 2 think the game is fully finished and are not expecting any more content or improvements. It's an absurd straw man.

Dead fucking game

>>718105330
>Poe 1 closed and open beta early days were insanely high power level
How easily people forget

https://youtu.be/Z1PZ_F_S0D4?t=849

>>718078646 (OP)
Is this game sort of alike Diablo 2? The graphics sort of remind me of the remaster, but is it dark and gory enough too? I was honestly surprised that they left the nude women bodies in the last Act of Diablo 2 remaster.

POE is so fucking souless. I think Diablo 1 mogs it quite easily, no chance against the top dogs

>>718120107
the same thing would happen if poe2 had 1 act everyone loved it

can i play as gutz yet?

>>718123179
No, swords are not in yet.

>>718123230

useless fucking game

POE2 costs money? but it has a cosmetic store ?? that can't be right.

>>718123179
There's a gutz sword mtx in poe1 you can buy that shit for like 40 real dollars or something insane

>>718123465
it only costs money if you want to play the early access. POE2 is free :/

>>718123316
yes, poe2 is a pay-in title right now
and ggg updates the cosmetics store more often than they update the game
>they sell a Sword skin
>POE2 does not even have swords implemented

are there any sexy skins

i completely forgot it existed
does it still run like absolute shit?

>>718078646 (OP)
Did they fix particle effects tanking frame rate yet?

>>718126229
It never did for me because I dont have a toaster.

>>718126229
It's like the one modern release that doesn't, wdym? It's very CPU heavy at endgame just because so much happens though.

>>718113731
wat

>>718097431
Ooooh, a diamond!

The only thing I was interested in was shapeshifting ranger hottie and they didn't even put her in
POO2 BIG STINK

>>718085775
>everyone isn't me
Nobody wants to be you anon

>>718128083
Thanks.

>>718128083
Surely they're not about to just drop Acts 4-6 into our laps.

>>718128253
It says "The Next Chapter" on the thumbnail so I am expecting at least Act 4

>>718128427
But like, that's the weapon we're supposed to be making to kill the Beast (gather parts in Act 4/5, forge in 5, go kill Beast in 6), so..?

>>718129078
Do you really think these retards have it in them to release all 3 acts at once?

>>718129307
Yes. (PoE1)