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Anonymous No.718086571 >>718089379 >>718090990 >>718094862 >>718095357 >>718096409 >>718100375 >>718103443
>Now I admire Hideo Kojima, I doโ€ฆ
Anonymous No.718086719 >>718095357 >>718108173
Anonymous No.718087530 >>718103047
>And then I came up with this new concept, one which I began to call "Violence", and from there this "Violence" within only a few years had spread to most media, as you see now in many Hollywood productions. It was a very intriguing process to see something you had created from nothing become so common and talked about, like the first human to human virus.
>And humbling as well Im sure!
>Oh...*laughs*, yes, yes of course. Humility was the entire sub theme of "Violence" in fact. Hum as in human, and extremity. The extremity of human thought and action is violence, violence which can humble us all. Yes "Humility" is in essence the core of "Violence", and that is what my newest game is focused on.
Anonymous No.718089379
>>718086571 (OP)
amazing post anon, cheers from /tv/
Anonymous No.718090990 >>718091678 >>718094710 >>718101451 >>718101646 >>718103443 >>718107383
>>718086571 (OP)
>And i think all that those cinematic cutscenes horsheshit is just an excuse so you ""directors"" never have to make a real game, okay?
Anonymous No.718091116
NOOO PITTU STOOOP!!!!!!
Anonymous No.718091678 >>718092868
>>718090990
You know you got a big mouth for a Switch player?
Anonymous No.718092868 >>718093239
>>718091678
No Im Steamdeck user.
I pirate.
Anonymous No.718093239
>>718092868
Youโ€™re a little man with a big mouth and a big hard drive
Anonymous No.718094710 >>718095069 >>718106967
>>718090990
It's actually so his writing/directing never has to be judged by the standard of a film. The lack of gameplay is the same as any other "game"-director the former is true of. He doesn't like games.
saucy No.718094862 >>718095032 >>718100226 >>718101142
>>718086571 (OP)
an artist's job is to challenge racist notions and sexist beliefs.
Anonymous No.718094976 >>718100521
NOOOO BRAPPU PITTU PRIISU!!! NOT IN FRONT OF MY WAIFU AND CHILDREN!!! OH NO SO SMERRY
Anonymous No.718095032 >>718095487
>>718094862
Must be why they're all ridiculous cucks addicted to losing.
Anonymous No.718095069
>>718094710
Kojimaโ€™s been gushing about Expedition 33 for the last few months, what are you talking about?
Anonymous No.718095112 >>718095239 >>718095357 >>718098548 >>718099513 >>718100708 >>718102457
I didn't like Once Upon Time in Hollywood. It lacked coherent story. It was just a wank fest of boomer era.
Anonymous No.718095239 >>718095357
>>718095112
I couldn't finish it.
Anonymous No.718095357 >>718095814
>>718086571 (OP)
>>718086719
>>718095112
>>718095239
Super kino movie and Q's best. The more you watch it over and over, you pick up on more world building and foreshadowing. Quite impressive.
saucy No.718095487 >>718095749
>>718095032
Huh?

Did you win a Pulitzer recently and throw it in the trash or something?
Anonymous No.718095749 >>718096116
>>718095487
you eat shit xD
Anonymous No.718095814 >>718108053
>>718095357
This. Not movie has a better bro ship than Rick and Cliff either. True fucking brothers.
saucy No.718096116
>>718095749
I mean a Pulitzer is only worth $10,000. But whatever, I thought I was in high society for a second there.
Anonymous No.718096306 >>718096427 >>718096429 >>718103392
I'm kinda sick of bradpitt wank
same with leo
matt damon is where its at
Anonymous No.718096409 >>718107383
>>718086571 (OP)
>I donโ€™t dig him. And I donโ€™t dig the DEI vibe he brings to a game.
Anonymous No.718096427
>>718096306
This except I have Matt Damon fatigue also
Anonymous No.718096429
>>718096306
Neither have been in a great movie since this one. But they nailed Rick and Cliff's characters.
Anonymous No.718096569 >>718096782 >>718102010
at least they are not wahlberg
he suck dick why does he keep getting roles?
I rather watch something with the rock as main lead instead of wahlberg
Anonymous No.718096782
>>718096569
SARR
Anonymous No.718096919 >>718107383
>So howโ€™d you get the part in Death Stranding?
>I donโ€™t really know, just luck, I guess
Anonymous No.718098548 >>718104123
>>718095112
yeah, it wasnt a good movie. i dont know if you need to be a fart sniffer to enjoy it, but it's just not entertaining.
Anonymous No.718099513
>>718095112
it's not that complex, it's just about the rise and fall of an aging actor during an alternate history telling of the Manson killings
Anonymous No.718100226 >>718100441
>>718094862
It isn't. That's why leftists can't produce art, only propaganda.
Good art is evocative, not just provocative.
It elicits visceral emotions integral to the human experience, and in doing so, helps us to transcend petty identity politics and recognize our shared humanity.
Good art enjoins its audience to participate in a universal idea or zeitgeist instead of pandering to partisan notions or other factionalism.
It may challenge entrenched prejudices, but only in the pursuit of something more sublime.
Anonymous No.718100375 >>718102716
>>718086571 (OP)
The film was good, but this scene was dogshit. It was clearly trying to reference the interaction between Gene LeBell and Bruce Lee (no matter how much Tarantino tries to deny it) but he made it far less fucking lamer than how it actually went down where Lee actually got humbled and started implementing grappling because grappling is essential to martial skill, instead doing some gay shit where Bruce Lee acts like a prima donna and Brad Pitt's character beats him with some basic ass fucking strikes.
That whole scene downplays how significant grappling is, mainly because I assume that as much as Tarantino wants to downplay Bruce Lee, he thinks grappling is too fucking gay so he'd rather elevate pseudo-hollywood fancy striking that's just as inefficient as Lee's striking art than fucking acknowledge that grappling is boring but actually practical and efficient.
saucy No.718100441 >>718101142 >>718101172
>>718100226
An artist's job is literally to inspire and provoke meaningful questions by the intentioned behaviors of craft and artisanal meditations. This, like any other behavior is only achievable by attacking, rebuking, or satirizing public notions of racism, sexism, or other prejudices that would have otherwise been overlooked.
Anonymous No.718100521
>>718094976
lol (more of a cackle)
Anonymous No.718100708
>>718095112
It was just boring, and I like most of his monies.
t. fell asleep during both this and the irishman (de niro is a teeny faggot)
I only watch movies to pass the fuck out anyway, so it served its purpose.
Anonymous No.718100860 >>718101589 >>718101836
why so many normies think Bruce Lee was good fighter?
Anonymous No.718101142 >>718101579
>>718100441
>>718094862
This is an incredibly juvenile, neo-liberal, ahistorical take, from a low IQ retard, or a troll. I'm not sure which yet. Seeing as you bought a 4chan pass, my suspicions point me to you being a troll.

Art is a meaningless term. The only thing that matters is the work produced by the artist themselves, because the job of an artist, like any profession, is to produce works that are exceedingly high quality which evoke awe at the dedication, skill, and understanding of their craft. Your shallow, simplistic understanding and definition of the term also highlights why there is much less quality art now, and people are turning to AI. A lot of it is just shallow, simplistic, stupid dogshit that attempts to pretend that it's "good art" because it is pushing a deliberate ideological goal, despite the quality and workmanship of it being equivalent to what I could do in 6th grade.
Anonymous No.718101172
>>718100441
Good art is an invitation and inspiration to be better, not merely an attack on what is.
The seething indignation and vindictiveness of "progressive" art is manifest and does little to persuade anyone, just typical virtue signalling.
Once you outgrow that pettiness, you might join the company of genuine artists as their equal.
Anonymous No.718101451
>>718090990
Hey, it's Enzo Gorlomi!
saucy No.718101579 >>718101813 >>718101834 >>718102016
>>718101142
The exaltation is shallow because art is by spectacle an artifice. You mincing words with the Victorian era doesn't make Andy Warhol, Nietzsche or Shakespeare any less relevant.
Anonymous No.718101589 >>718101679
>>718100860
Because he was. Compared to a lot of the bullshido of his time, he was probably one of the few that was breaking out of the mold of traditional bullshit and trying to develop a proto-MMA style, even if it was pretty unfinished since he died young. If he didn't get humbled by Judo Gene, he probably would've stayed stuck with Kung Fu and never evolved, but after seeing the benefits of mixing various styles of martial arts, that was around the time he began to gravitate towards becoming a legitimate fighter. Shame he died too early though.
Anonymous No.718101646
>>718090990
BASED
Anonymous No.718101679 >>718102273
>>718101589
he never had single real fight though. You can't be good fighter with zero fights under your belt
Anonymous No.718101813 >>718101873 >>718106672
>>718101579
I don't care about the rest of your post but putting a hack fraud like Andy Warhol on the same pedestal as Nietzsche or Shakespeare shows how little you know about art.
Anonymous No.718101834
>>718101579
Warhol made Warhol less relevant.
Pop art is inherently vapid and ephemeral.
Anonymous No.718101836
>>718100860
Because he actually was, but the point of this scene is that Bruce was so full of ego during this era. Around 1970, which is like 1 year after the events of this movie, Bruce actually got hurt, I think he broke his back. He recovered and that's when Zen Bruce Lee happened and it's when he started releasing all his classic kinos and his ego was killed.
saucy No.718101873 >>718102006 >>718102417
>>718101813
You're comparing Victorian art to neo-noir films like Tarantino's, I'll be okay.
Anonymous No.718102006 >>718102132
>>718101873
Comparison is not equation.

You have a 4chan pass.
You will not be alright
Anonymous No.718102010
>>718096569
Youโ€™re fuckin lucky that I wasnโ€™t on that plane.
Anonymous No.718102016
>>718101579
>The exaltation is shallow because art is by spectacle an artifice.
No shit it's an artifice. The primary factor that makes art as impressive as it is, is the education and dedication to complete it. There is nothing special nor unique about some faggot or some nigger making a shitty drawing and saying it challenges the white hetero normative atmosphere of western society. If that piece is well made and incredibly designed/structured in such a way that it cannot help but draw people's attention due to the talent and effort put in to craft it, then it is truly worthy of praise.

Which, like I said, goes along with the idea that the primary meaning behind "art" is the artist themselves, creating a sort of unique brand for their specific quality, style, and talent. Nobody cares about your little DeviantArt digital paintings about white men standing on the necks of black people, Timmy.
saucy No.718102132 >>718102769
>>718102006
No, I don't think Louise Gluck or Susan Meiselas suffered because art was supposed to divine an emotion. That sounds fucked up and mean.
Anonymous No.718102273
>>718101679
He had several fights in his youth, but it was mostly boxing tournaments and other small tournaments because there were no actual real legitimate fighting competitions at the time, just point sparring bullshit for everything outside of boxing or wrestling. Vale Tudo was only a thing in Brazil and the idea of an MMA competition didn't bear fruit until much later, and even that concept was controversial as shit.
Regardless, what matters was that Lee did regular conditioning and sparring for his techniques and engaged in street fighting, and that's already far better than what a lot of martial artist contemporaries were doing. Only grapplers like wrestlers and Judokas and certain schools of Karate were doing that. Everyone else was stuck with the same sort of bullshido point sparring and light contact that is associated with fake martial arts.
You could argue Gene LeBell or Kimura were far more legitimate fighters than Bruce Lee, I can agree. But comparing Bruce Lee to someone like Frank Dux or Steven Seagal is silly.
Anonymous No.718102417 >>718102584 >>718102607 >>718106672
>>718101873
I am not the same anon as the one talking about Victorian art or even Tarantino. I just came here and saw someone put Warhol on a pedestal and got very fucking annoyed.
Warhol effectively ruined high art by turning it into a cheap commodity. Hell, his garbage was basically AI Art before AI Art. I've been shitting on AI Art precisely because it reminded me of the 80s Pop Art movement and garbage like Warhol.
Please, have some actual fucking taste. If you had mentioned Goya or an artist worth a damn, I'd actually have more fucking respect for your argument. Even Dali mogs Warhol.
Anonymous No.718102457
>>718095112
One of the major things that makes OUATIH is what you think of the characters. Did Brad Pitt kill his wife? Did the kung-fu scene with bruce lee happen? Even when everyoneโ€™s congratulating Leonardo Dicaprio for his performance, it was after he said a bunch of racist shit.

It wasnโ€™t just glorifying that time, it was showing it as it was without holding back and letting you infer how you felt about it without telling you itโ€™s bad. Itโ€™s what sets Quentin Tarintino seperate from other Directors.
Anonymous No.718102584 >>718103056
>>718102417
>warhol ruined high art
>high art
I hate the term high art. It was a classist term artificially created to separate what was popular from what only the "elites" could appreciate, which ended up becoming modern art, and by extension, ruining art.

Warhol also didn't ruin art. He helped to expand art into the region of erotica, which is commendable. Who really ruined art was Jackson fucking Pollock. Perhaps the worst "artist" to have ever lived.
saucy No.718102607 >>718102945 >>718103295 >>718106672
>>718102417
Dali was basically a Rene Magritte in cascades.

I don't really think the purpose of debate is to shoulder your own insecurities about art and taste. If you want more polemic examples about art, you can find them in a museum, not in an argument about the pastiche, iconicity and namesakes of artistic giants.
Anonymous No.718102613
Muh art. European dicklet are mad painting of big Jewish dick worship and le gob aren't popular anymore and get mad and pretend euro shit is still good while jerking off to SEA made porn of Japanese characters

These faggots don't care about art. Just about sucking off contemporary old faggots because whites no longer have empathy can't create art anymore and don't have a stranglehold on it

>NOO AIYEE IS THAT ART THAT ISNT LE WHITE MAN ON A BOAT OR LE WHITE MAN KNEELING TO HIS JEW GOD? ITS RUINED AHHHHHH

reminds me of how a similar thinking Nazi dicklet cut up a picture called "who's scared of the color red", inadvertently proving that alt rightoids cucks are the most reactionary, gay and elite worshipping retards of all times

You MUST reference the Jews or whites. These losers cannot stand to see the world proceed without them
Anonymous No.718102716 >>718104075
>>718100375
>striking that's just as inefficient as Lee's striking art

bruce never advocated for fancy or flashy strikes either. in real fights he kept it efficient and direct, thats kinda the whole point of jeet kune do. he was trailblazing mma concepts all the way back then, he was just lacking the grappling side.

anyway that scene was dumb because bruce lee wasnt like that, he was confident in his abilities but he never said he would kill muhammad ali. in fact quite the opposite, bruce said ali would kill HIM in a fight due to the huge size difference.
Anonymous No.718102769 >>718102892
>>718102132
Empathy.
saucy No.718102892 >>718103559 >>718103619 >>718103974
>>718102769
Don't you mean sympathy? Can't empathize with what you didn't experience.
Anonymous No.718102945 >>718103102 >>718105369
>>718102607
>I don't really think the purpose of debate is to shoulder your own insecurities about art and taste.

>literally stated that the job of the artist was to shoulder their own insecurities about art and taste (should be about challenging sexism and racism)

Retard.
Anonymous No.718103047
>>718087530
>not *raughs*
Anonymous No.718103056 >>718103437 >>718104365
>>718102584
>I hate the term high art. It was a classist term artificially created to separate what was popular from what only the "elites" could appreciate, which ended up becoming modern art, and by extension, ruining art.
That might be true, but I am only referring to it as high art considering I know damn well I am gonna get some pedantic morons who will try to debate the meaning of art with me, and I'd rather just cut to the chase and refer to high art as a whole, because I know damn well there's some snobs here.
>Warhol also didn't ruin art. He helped to expand art into the region of erotica, which is commendable.
Oh fuck off, he commodified art. Most of his ""art"" was just doing ctrl c + ctrl v. The only erotic art was him cumming on a fucking canvas and photographing some nudes. No fucking skill involved. Underground Comix did more to fucking legitimize erotic art than fucking Warhol.
Also erotic art predates Warhol far more than you'd think
>Who really ruined art was Jackson fucking Pollock. Perhaps the worst "artist" to have ever lived.
I agree, fuck that faggot too. Fuck both of these fucking modern art faggots.
saucy No.718103102 >>718103910
>>718102945
Sexism and racism aren't issues of taste. Sexism and racism are issues of social science, and probably far off from the realm of qualia, psychotherapy and individualism, not to mention existentialism.
Anonymous No.718103295 >>718103353
>>718102607
>Dali was basically a Rene Magritte in cascades.
Which says a lot considering I am saying Dali mogs Warhol.
>I don't really think the purpose of debate is to shoulder your own insecurities about art and taste
The purpose of art is to DEBATE and DERIVE meaning you absolute imbecile.

I'll leave it at that, christ. I won't debate you further considering how oxymoronic your points are. You have zero fucking consistency. I got mad at the other guy, but I am starting to regret that because he was far more sincere and arguing far more in good faith than you were.
saucy No.718103353
>>718103295
Your conversation is fucking boring.
Anonymous No.718103392
>>718096306
I unironically see Tom Cruise as the ultimate actor. He's the only one I don't see as human. His essence is that of an actor. Leo and Brad are utterly amateurish because their personalities seep through their acting and in interviews while they're OOC. Tom Cruise is just always on business.
Anonymous No.718103437 >>718104170 >>718105214 >>718105214
>>718103056
>Oh fuck off, he commodified art. Most of his ""art"" was just doing ctrl c + ctrl v. The only erotic art was him cumming on a fucking canvas and photographing some nudes. No fucking skill involved. Underground Comix did more to fucking legitimize erotic art than fucking Warhol.

It was Andy Warhol's Blue Movie which legitimized pornography as an art in the eyes of the American public and gave way to the Golden Age of Porn, which was written, directed, and produced by Andy Warhol, so there is zero discussion to be had about what "level of involvement" he had in it. That movie was entirely his, and it transformed American cinema permanently. I will admit that his status as an artist before-hand helped make it more popular, but him breaking down the barriers of puritanical prudish censorship alleviates most of the criticisms of him as an artist, which were mostly gimmicky and low effort.
Anonymous No.718103443
>>718086571 (OP)
>>718090990
Anonymous No.718103546
ITT: white dicklets crying over Jewish art being successful because when you're a loser with no merits you become this weird bug person who has to coattail off your race for everything
Anonymous No.718103559 >>718103623 >>718103681
>>718102892
empathy is when you feel someone elses feelings or are deeply moved by the very fact that THEY are feeling something.
sympathy on the other hand is a somewhat more rational experience. you "sympathize with someone" when you understand or relate to where theyre coming from in a more conscious way.
Anonymous No.718103619 >>718103974
>>718102892
The entire point is to experience it vicariously and, by doing so, better understand it.
I don't think you know the distinction.
Anonymous No.718103623 >>718104421
>>718103559
He's probably circumcised anon
>As above so below
Circumcised people literally have mutilated brains and can't feel emotions.
saucy No.718103681 >>718103974 >>718104421
>>718103559
Empathy is explicitly defined as a vicarious act. You feel for someone else because you went through the same things they did.
Anonymous No.718103910 >>718103947
>>718103102
>"Sexism and racism are issues of social science, and probably far off from the realm of qualia, psychotherapy and individualism, not to mention existentialism."

Right, so they are issues of taste then? Retard.
saucy No.718103947 >>718104284
>>718103910
Did you want to argue or did you just want to call people names, cause either direction doesn't bother me too much.
Anonymous No.718103974 >>718104063
>>718103681
Exactly as I stated here >>718103619
in contest of your critique here >>718102892
saucy No.718104063 >>718104313
>>718103974
That's somewhat right, but you're still using an if-by whiskey to deflect the point. No one said you weren't sympathizing, but now you're asserting a lack of concern for either category.
Anonymous No.718104075
>>718102716
Yeah fair, I did hyperbolize a bit. But Bruce Lee's strikes weren't as inefficient from actual videos of him striking outside of his movies. But most people aren't that familiar with the scenes of him fighting outside of his films, so I preferred to argue with the mindset that the person that would try to counter-argue with me would be completely ignorant on the subject.
>he was trailblazing mma concepts all the way back then, he was just lacking the grappling side.
Correct, which is what makes the scene so stupid because the real world equivalent involved Lee getting grappled and realizing the merits of grappling. The film substitutes this with him getting BTFO'd with striking which is completely silly.
>anyway that scene was dumb because bruce lee wasnt like that, he was confident in his abilities but he never said he would kill muhammad ali. in fact quite the opposite, bruce said ali would kill HIM in a fight due to the huge size difference.
Oh yeah, absolutely. Forgot to mention that, that was a complete disservice. Since Bruce Lee was smart enough to realize that weight classes absolutely mattered. Every fighter worth his salt back then knew that.
Anonymous No.718104123
>>718098548
no, you just have to be above 90 I.Q. My condolences.
Anonymous No.718104170 >>718104594 >>718105214
>>718103437
Huh, well then. I was looking at things more from a European PoV than an American point of view, since I am more familiar with that. My bad then, I'll concede. I am still not fond of the man and his overall impact, but I'll at least give some credit there.
Anonymous No.718104284 >>718104403
>>718103947
I'm calling you a dumb hypocrite who has no idea what he's talking about, who says very little with every post. I would have more to say than just insults if your posts had more substance than simply being bland grandiloquence.
Anonymous No.718104313 >>718104456
>>718104063
I didn't preclude sympathy, I ascribed greater significance to the elicitation of empathy.
Now you're just being deliberately obtuse.
I'm out.
Anonymous No.718104365 >>718105214
>>718103056
>Oh fuck off, he commodified art.
This was a response to there being a separation of disciplines in Art and Design. It could be argued that this began to appear around the time of Toulouse-Lautrec, but by the 80s that distinction was fairly delineated. Further, Warhol was hardly the first person to commodify art. Jackson Pollock's abstract expressionism, of which he didn't even care for, predated Warhol by a number of decades and was driven specifically by his need for money.
>Also erotic art predates Warhol far more than you'd think
Erotic art is practically as old as civilization. It surely wasn't defined by the 20th century. Still ironic you're talking about "predating" when you had the above wrong in much the same capacity as you're accusing the other poster of. You don't have to reply, this will be my only response.
saucy No.718104403 >>718104832
>>718104284
You've been doing that for some eight posts, and no only are you calling me a hypocrite despite never once upending my conversation, but you seem to think being hypocritical is a mode of emotion, not one of logic. Not once did I say taste had anything to do with racism and I will literally sit here all day repeating myself.
Anonymous No.718104421
>>718103681
yes, you vicariously experience the other persons feelings. regardless of your own experience, empathy is about the PERSON currently undergoing the emotions.
sympathy is more about understanding and possibly relating to the circumstances that lead the person to feeling that way

a mentally healthy adult posseses both of them

>>718103623
i mean im not trying to argue with the other anon in bad faith, but there may be something to that. an experience of pain and mutilation at that early of an age probably has neurodevelopmental consequences
saucy No.718104456
>>718104313
That's because you were never in. People like you are always excited to speak English until a lawyer arrives.
Anonymous No.718104594 >>718105342
>>718104170
I'm not fond of him either, and I thick most of his work is hack, but I feel he should get a pass because he was culturally transformative in ways that shaped a public's understanding of art and expression, and helped push adult content into the sphere of Free Speech. If it wasn't for him, who knows...We (Americans) might have still been gasping every time we saw a nipple in a film.
Anonymous No.718104832 >>718104914
>>718104403
>eight posts
I've only posted four times, lmao.

>but you seem to think being hypocritical is a mode of emotion, not one of logic
What the fuck are you talking about? I just highlighted how you are logically hypocritical with my original post.

>Not once did I say taste had anything to do with racism and I will literally sit here all day repeating myself.
No, I was pointing out the fact that you started this debate by stating that the artists job was about racism and sexism. That is you shouldering your own insecurities about art and taste, unless you truly are so narcissistic that you think your personal opinions are simply facts.
saucy No.718104914 >>718104982
>>718104832
That's a long winded way to avoid actually quoting my posts where I implied or said anything of the matter.

I will probably wait for you to quote the posts where I said that.
Anonymous No.718104975 >>718105589
>ITT: white dicklets crying over Jewish art being successful because when you're a loser with no merits you become this weird bug person who has to coattail off your race for everything
Anonymous No.718104982 >>718105087
>>718104914
>That's a long winded way to avoid actually quoting my posts where I implied or said anything of the matter.
I LITERALLY JUST DID QUOTE YOU IMPLYING IT YOU FUCKING RETARD.

HOLY SHIT YOU ARE STUPID. GO BACK AND READ IT.
saucy No.718105087 >>718105343 >>718105369
>>718104982
No, you didn't. I even clicked the posts where you tried to misdirect, and furthered a grammatical agreement where you sufficed an explanation.
Anonymous No.718105214
>>718104365
I don't know if you're the same anon I was replying to, or if that anon was >>718103437, but as you can see, I ended up actually conceding right here and admitting I was wrong >>718104170
Regardless, I'll try to respond in good faith despite my initial anger.
>It could be argued that this began to appear around the time of Toulouse-Lautrec,
I don't quite fully understand your point here. Are you insinuating the separation of art and design began during Toulouse-Lautrec's time? Because I don't see it. Especially since Mucha disproves that, art and design was definitely interlinked even then.
>Warhol was hardly the first person to commodify art. Jackson Pollock's abstract expressionism
I will admit, I got the timeline wrong. But the reason why I am fixated on Warhol, is mainly because for several years in different schools I attended during Middle and High School, I had to endure multiple art teachers who preferred for us to learn from Pop Art like Warhol instead of learning the actual fundamentals. I did not actually learn the fundamentals barring one teacher who actually knew her shit on art. It's something that has bothered me for years, and even if you're correct that Jackson is worse. The question is then, can you not deny that Warhol had arguably a far more impact on how art ended up being taught to future generations?
>Erotic art is practically as old as civilization. It surely wasn't defined by the 20th century
Of course not, but again, if you are that original anon, you should know you were implying otherwise. But again, this got clarified by >>718103437
>Still ironic you're talking about "predating" when you had the above wrong in much the same capacity as you're accusing the other poster of.
Which poster? The Saucy guy? You can see he barely argues in good faith
>You don't have to reply, this will be my only response.
If that's what you wish, fine. But regardless, it was enlightening to engage in this discussion, so I thank you regardless.
Anonymous No.718105342
>>718104594
Fair enough then. I can respect that opinion at least. I just wish his impact hadn't affected how art is taught and the view of art as a whole. I will appreciate at least how he handled things in terms of adult content, but I can't appreciate the rest of what he did. Still, I can respect that part at least.
Anonymous No.718105343 >>718105418
>>718105087
don't you jack off to poop?
Anonymous No.718105369
>>718105087
.....That's not me you moron.

>>718102945
Here's the part where you pretend that's not what you meant and we bump the thread for 400 posts because you must obscure every argument you make when they are pointed out for their contradictions.
saucy No.718105418
>>718105343
Something is terribly wrong with the gen alpha kids.

They come here, and just don't post anything. Only lurk.
Anonymous No.718105589
>>718104975
lmao there's one of them now. There's a reason Jews make movies and whites make black babies (for their men to raise)

A white man is a walking wallet. He does not know what creativity or emotions are. His only love is Jewish dick or whatever allows him to worship Jewish dick better
Anonymous No.718105649
Kojima invented antisemitism
Anonymous No.718106346
God i want a pale white hippie gf with a thick bush
Anonymous No.718106672 >>718106804
>>718102417
>>718101813
>>718102607
Opinions on Italian Futurism?
saucy No.718106804
>>718106672
I always see it used in movies, but it makes me wonder how rustic people really believed Italians to be. They couldn't have been that country-driven.
Anonymous No.718106967 >>718107362
>>718094710
There is more gameplay in Death Stranding than any game in the past 10 years, and a greater gameplay to cutscene ratio than ANY Metal Gear game, even V.
saucy No.718107362
>>718106967
I agree.
Anonymous No.718107383
>>718090990
>>718096409
>>718096919
only good posts itt
Anonymous No.718108053
>>718095814
The Hateful Eight was a better movie, and Warren/Mannix was a better broship.
Anonymous No.718108173
>>718086719
QUENTINARUUUUUU?!??!?!
Anonymous No.718108339 >>718108829
I bet this wasn't anything intelligent.
saucy No.718108829
>>718108339
Is this the twilight zone wtf?