Thread 718101261

>steam down
>can't even play your games offline
Was a bad idea to move from console

>>718101261 (OP)
And the reason why you're lying is..?

Watching PC gamers willingly accept no game ownership was crazy to me

>>718101362
Check the steam down page right now you boot kissing faggot, tens of thousands of people complaining about jt right now
When I had my ps4 I still could play my offline games at least

>>718101570
doesn't exist don't make shit up
you can't prove to me that's a thing

>>718101570
What kind of cope is this

>>718101663
>>718101712
filtered

I mean it's wednesday so it's fin.... erm... bros?

>>718101486
okay but at least all my games are in one place!

>>718101261 (OP)
It "works" but I can't download shit or start games.

>>718101570
>just pirate the game you purchased
I suppose that counts, but why?

>>718101486
Take any of your physical games bought in the last 25 years and read the EULA. You don't own them either. If they say "I don't allow you to play it any more" and you keep playing, you're pirating.

>>718101564
The only games you can't play when Steam is down are online-only games, like MMOs, gachas etc.
Post a link to the exact page where people are complaining, because steamstat.us doesn't even have a comment section, where you could complain.

>>718101790
>it works but it doesn't work
The absolute state of steamcels

>>718101816
>I suppose that counts, but why?
so you can back it up and always have access to it, something OP is really whining about

>>718101769
bro... it's thursday......

>>718101862
I'm literally trying to start skyrim but it's telling me there is no connection LMAO you lying faggots can't be real
https://downdetector.com/status/steam/

>>718101261 (OP)
>paypig broblems

>>718101261 (OP)
Didn't sony's servers go down for a day some time ago locking people out of playing games on their consoles, even the ones they had on disc? At least your whole pc won't become useless if some company's servers go down.

>>718101862
>You don't own them either.
False.

>>718101898
You bought a game to play a pirated version. Just don't even use steam, corporate bootlicker.

>>718101862
>You don't own them either.
Most games I have will launch, this means I own them even if Sony goes down

Steam however doesn't let you launch ancient offline games that are freeware on some sites when their servers go off lmao

>>718102018
You don't have a PC that can run Skyrim. And people in comments there all say that they can't download and update, nobody says they can't play installed games.

>>718102418
Read the EULA. When you "buy" a physical game, you own the box, the disc etc., but not the contents of the disc, just a licence to use it.

steamcucks are even worse than consolefaggots
they will find every exuse under the sun for their shitty DRM platform

>>718101564
You can play steam games in offline mode you lying subhuman

>>718101261 (OP)
>games don't launch in offline mode
stop playing multiplayer sloppa.

>>718101862
>you dont own the thing that you are literally holding in your hand

ok schizo, go back to buying your digital licences on steam

>>718101261 (OP)
>steam down
It literally isnt

>>718102564
Nope I own them. Steam sells licenses too but you don't own your software. You'll have to come up with a bettet distinction because license ownership aint it.

>>718101261 (OP)
Should I let Gaben harvest my data?

steam down are you are gonna point that out? thas a ban

https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/1mqd196/steam_appears_to_be_down_do_not_post_about_this/

>>718101261 (OP)
anybody else unable to download anything?

>>718101261 (OP)
Which game? I can play every single game I own offline

>>718103023
Cyberpunk wont launch for me i just tried, just keeps loading on the little steam window

>>718102941
lol wtf literaly 1984
pctroons explain yourself immediately

>>718101261 (OP)
You can run practically any game from it's .exe. Maybe fuck off back to consoles if PCs are too hard for you to figure out.

>>718103252
fuck off retard

>>718102564
>>718102630
Why are you lying to defend a multi billion business ? You aren't even getting paid

>>718103252
Bootlicking shill faggot

>>718101564
>>718103569
>Check the steam down page
Nta but like I can just open steam and unless the game needs internet connectivity it still works as a launcher lol it's not defending valve you're just wrong

Steam is literally online for me, maybe it's a US problem?

>>718103731
Don't forget
>corpo
>globohomo
>goy
>pajeet
>shill
>slop
>consoomer
>sunk cost fallacy
>buyer's remorse
>paypig
>amerilard/shart/fat

>>718101261 (OP)
Digital DRM store bad. Physical DRM certification black box good.

>>718101261 (OP)
I told you to buy games on gog instead, those games dont even need a client

>>718104051
Yes all those apply to PC vegans. We just had a thread full of valve vegans lying that Nintendo bans used games. Valve has banned used games since inception. There is no low that is too low for a PC vegan grifter.

>PC derangement syndrome
What causes this among tendies?

>>718104312
Pedophiles have a persecution complex. They play game for toddlers to groom their victims, and then feel like everyone else is wrong for calling them on it.

>>718104224
You need to find something different to do with your life other than hanging out on /v/ acting like a white knight for mega corporations all day, Anon. I'm serious. Think about your father and mother, if you still have them, and get your autistic fat ass out of that chair and go do something useful.

>>718101564
You okay schizobro?

>disable offline mode which is on by default
>"Why doesn't offline mode work???"

>>718104312
Just criticizing Valve, relax

>>718104312
I think it's thirdies that are mad they can't afford a decent PC

>>718104378
No thanks! I will continue criticizing cancerous industry practices.

what the fuck is this thread

>>718103569
Yet here you are lying for no reason
Just say youre some console retard

>>718101261 (OP)
>steam down
steam down shitposting threads are on CHEWSDAY INNIT???

Why the fuck are you lying?

>>718101486
but Half-Slop 2 walking simulator was funnsies

>>718101862
>Take any of your physical games bought in the last 25 years
check
no EULA here
cope Steamie

>>718104378
OY VEY OY VEY

>you really have to stop badmouthing Valve anon and speaking facts
>stop this and go have sex incel

>>718105864
What facts have you said? I lost count at zero.

>>718102564
>When you "buy" a physical game, you own the box, the disc etc., but not the contents of the disc, just a licence to use it.
This is factually correct and the fact you can't play always online games that were shut down despite having a physical copy is proof.

>>718109085
>not being able to connect to servers means that you don't own the physical copy that you bought

>>718109469
You own the box. You own the disc. You don't own the ability to play the game and you never did.

i hate pc gaming
what a scam

>>718106838
Oh shit gottem

>>718109542
I own this NES cart.
I put NES cart into NES.
it works.
wow, I own the ability to play the game.

>>718109874
>I own this NES cart.
I doubt you do. You're 15.

>>718109874
meanwhile on PC, thanks to (((Valve)))
>insert CD of Half-Slop 2
>sold for Windows 2000
>sorry, Windows 2000 is not support
>buy another PC and maybe we will allow you to play it again
>*may be streaming only
>*with a monthly fee
>*cuck

>>718101486
I own a bunch of old games on CD and floppy disk...none of them are playable on modern systems. They are essentially just junk. I have repurchased several of them on Steam and those all work on modern systems. The convenience is worth far more than the idea of passing down garbage unusable games to my grandchildren.

>>718110353
>I own PS2+PS3 games
>they don't work in my PS5
>therefore they are junk!!!
seems like your shitty PC is junk

>>718109994
>sold for Windows 2000
No, it wasn't. 2000 wasn't a consumer OS.
Also
>streaming
>monthly fee
So you're just outright lying.
>cuck
Why did you sign your post?

>>718110412
>I want to collect computers from all eras just so I can play my video game collection.

Retard. Like I said, the convenience is worth far more than ownership.

>>718110451
>it's not
let's check the contract that you signed.

https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/

Valve may restrict or cancel your Account or any particular Subscription(s) at any time in the event that (a) Valve ceases providing such Subscriptions to similarly situated Subscribers generally

Furthermore, Valve may amend this Agreement (including any Subscription Terms or Rules of Use) unilaterally at any time in its sole discretion.

It's 100% correct.
They can do whatever they want, and ban your ass for any reason they want. They can introduce streaming only. A monthly or weekly fee, or whatever AND YOU WILL TAKE IT LIKE A CHAMP IN THE BUTT

>>718110573
>convenience that my older devices are all blocked and games will get broken on new devices and will be unplayable
Truly the master race
>yes, Apple, block all my older iDevices, block them all. Thank you. Fuck those devices. They need to get blocked. Imagine someone using them or using any software on them, BLOCK THEM
cuck

>>718110708
They literally can't legally start charging you a monthly fee to access previous purchases. They can suspend you or ban you for reasons, but bait and switch is quite illegal in the first world.

>>718109874
then why doesn't my copy of the crew on ps4 work you fucking nigger

>>718101261 (OP)
Half the reason to move from a console to a PC is that it's way easier to pirate games on PC.

>>718110823
>They literally can't legally
The contract states OTHERWISE
Valve may restrict or cancel your Account or any particular Subscription(s) at any time in the event that (a) Valve ceases providing such Subscriptions to similarly situated Subscribers generally

you retarded cuck.
Guess why it's called the SUBSCRIBER AGREEMENT.
You think you got any rights on Netflix either, you dumb cattle?

For everyone ITT, >>718110817 is literally complaining that Valve's OS support is outpacing his financial ability to upgrade. He'll never tell anyone what country he's from, but I guarantee you can't drop a pin on street view where you can't see trash.

>Epic logins fuck up
>People complain about steam instead
https://status.epicgames.com/

i played my games offline btw

>>718110823
>they can't
except that they already lock literally everyone out of computers
>no, no, that is fine, that is great even, yes, block all devices!!!
meds
>streaming is way more convenient, no need for hard drive space or time expensive downloading, just stream everything
>YES, VALVE SAVED PC GAMING!!!
meds

Dammit Steam, I trying to watch fish playing RE6

>>718110854
Not a NES game
your problem
>it's like Steam, but just one game
phew, you almost had me there.

>>718110938
>>718111027
He's already so mad he's replying to me twice because he can't remember all his schizo ragepoints at once.
What country are you from? You won't answer.

>>718110938
In first world countries the law cucks the EULA.

>>718110954
>it's just an upgrade
>it's good that you lock me out of my devices
>everyone should do so too
>NINTENDO, BLOCK EVERYONE ON SHITCH 1 AND ENFORCE SHITCH 2!!!
meds

>>718111089
Why doesn't my copy of Duck Hunt work on my TV?

>>718111159
it's a legal contract, not an EULA.
end user would imply that you have any rights
Valve's contract calls you subscriber cattle, literally. Not a user.

>but but I can sue Netflix in EU so that they keep everything available and send me physical media too
nope

>>718111180
your TV may be trash
works fine on mine

>>718111089
>Not a NES game, your problem
exactly, the law didn't change between 1985 and 2015
first sale doctrine never covered a physical object's usability

>>718111162
People on Windows 7 literally are still using Steam. I tell you this in every thread, and you keep moving the goalposts. Tell me about a 30% cut now. Or talk about children, since you're a tendie and you love children inappropriately.
>>718111240
Show me the "subscriber cattle" terminology in the SSA.
>>718111297
I can't imagine any TV under 80" is good.

i'm having issues with EAC, does somebody have the same problem?

>>718111301
>it's the law
nope, I still own my Shitch 1 carts
because they are physical with no Valve DRM attached

you see Half-Slop 2 was sold physically, but it wasn't a physical copy, it had filthy Valve DRM attached, therefore not a physical copy

your fault for falling for scammers

>>718111341
i can't honestly imagine that any tv is good, do they still sell any that aren't being run by an underpowered android device?

>>718111341
>>Steamie mind is broken
grim

>>718111341
cattle is what Gabe calls you in private, he hates your spineless guts
>but but they only call me subscriber
>it's master subscriber for you
lmao
you sound like a cuck

wait, do people really care about, like, the metaphysical part of ownership? isn't the only thing that matters whether you can practically use the thing?

>>718101261 (OP)
GoG chads don't have this problem, steamies don't even know what "ownership" means

>>718111624
I care because of what companies can do with future releases.

>>718111662
what does it mean?

>>718111624
no, the actual ownership
you know owning a home, owning games, owning movies, so that a SHITTY AMERICAN SHIT COMPANY CAN'T JUST TAKE IT AWAY, LIKE VALVE HAS BEEN DOING, BRICKING HARDWARE AS THEY PLEASE THESE SHITTY AMERICANS

>>718111832
I will make it very easy to understand, so that even subscriber cattle like you can understand it.

>>718111908
>owning a home
there's literally no country where the government can't take that from you whenever they feel like it

>>718110353
Name one? I'd be surprised if there wasn't at worst case an emulator for something ancient. (Not that your argument is wrong)

>>718111908
those three things entail extremely different legal concepts and privileges of ownership across very different legal systems globally
>i won't to own a game like i own my house
so, like, you want to pay annual taxes on it? you want the purchase to potentially be subject to local covenants governed by an HOA? what is "actual ownership"?

>>718111986
no sorry, i still don't understand, i'm sorry i am very stupid. would you please define ownership even more simply?

>there are some people unable to cope with sony leaving the gaming hardware market
>these same people break down and start screeching at pc gaming for some reason

>>718112119
>annual rental fees
>I call them taxes, because I'm a retarded NPC
so you are living in a 3rd world shithole

>>718101486
It's not like I have a choice. The industry moved in that direction without my influence

>>718112341
you want to pay annual rental fees on your games?

>>718112396
>ESL too stupid to read posts
not surprising, I heard 3rd world countries have shitty government schools

test am I banned again

>>718112654
i mean, it's pretty much what you said. i asked if you wanted to pay annual taxes, and you said "actually they're rental fees", which i think a reasonable person could interpret as you saying that you were fine with them as long as we called them by the appropriate name

>>718112174
Ownership is when you have something and it cannot be taken away from you without your permission, you wouldn't get it, stemie

>>718112758
Testing my fist in your bussy ;3

>>718112914
i could steal your cartridges with your permission
>actually i meant it can't *legally* be taken from you without your permission
the government can eminent domain your stuff without your permission
>actually i meant a *private actor* can't legally take it from you without your permission
in the event of bankruptcy, your possessions can be taken from you to pay off your debts
i ask again, what precisely do you mean by ownership? what is the important part of it to you?

>>718112914
There are two types of ownership. Legal ownership and possession. Both can be taken away without your permission and anything else is just cope

>>718101261 (OP)
Steam does its weekly thing on tuesdays not thursdays retard.

>>718112914
I guarantee I could strongarm your bitch ass and take all your games (if you even have any) and your bootyhole. You'll call me "daddy" afterwards and I'll bet nights with you in the poker game.

I can't remember the last time I tried to play steam games offline so I just tested it.
>quit steam
>pull out ethernet cable
>start steam
>play game
The only difference was it warned me it couldn't sync cloud saves.

>>718113568
i can't believe i actually get a spike of anxiety when i see that warning now. fucking deck is too comfy

I wonder who could be behind this thread

>>718113651
He's not even shilling Epic. He's just mad that he got VAC banned for being a third world cheater, and he pulls out every argument for why "Steamies" should have fun playing no games like he doesn't.

huh, that's weird. in this entire timeframe (longer than OP has been alive) i have never once, even a single time, not been able to access one of my games. funny how that works

>>718113814
2 more weeks and they're taking them, Steamie. I still have my Intellivision games that are better than your bloated multi-kilobyte games.

>>718101486
Even crazier is pay to play online, consolecuck

>>718113880
2 more weeks and your shithole will be a superpower

valve should make a store just for our friends from the Global South. call it Stemu

>>718101486
watching consolels devour shit like it was served at a michelin star restaurant is crazy to me

>>718113149
>>718113180
>>718113530

>>718113917
My shithole is the first superpower, retard. What country are you from? You haven't answered this in the almost 2 years you've been schizoposting.

>>718101261 (OP)
>>718101564
That's not how Steam works, you retard.

>>718101712
Steam has an offline mode, you're just a consolekek getting your ass kicked on the internet.

>>718102503
nta but you are a nigger.
you can buy the game and use something to rip it and break steams DRM on it.

>>718103569
Eat shit faggot, you being called out on your lies doesn't mean somebody is defending whatever the fuck.

>>718114906
Indian shills use the truth. Us honest white people lie to market for other companies.

>>718101261 (OP)
Failed schizo thread, neck yourself pajeet

>>718114289
>get into a standoff with police after shooting agents who are attempting to legally repossess your property
>they cut off your power
And now you can't play your games. So much for ownership

>>718113651
Probably the same guy who still thinks Steam DRM prevents you from wiping your ass unless Gabe gives you a QR code. Whole thread reads like a therapy session between a delisted Xbox Live Indie Game and a cracked PS2 disc.

>>718118478
>play game more than 3 times
>deleted from your account
Cope, Steamie.

>>718113892
That's less crazy actually

>>718114016
It's ok to believe that

>>718110353
>I own a bunch of old games on CD and floppy disk...none of them are playable on modern systems. They are essentially just junk
I'll take them off your hands since you don't value them.

>Actual reasons to criticize steam gets drowned out by schizos and people making shit up
God I hate the modern internet, even when there is a real problem people will schizopost and make up problems.
This problem also extends to the fact that steam is one of the better stores. Not perfect, but somehow better than the competition outside of GoG who unfortunately will forever remain niche.

>>718111662
Ahem

>>718114528
Why? Just pirate it

>>718121109
Because they just want to argue and "feel" correct
It's god damn annoying

>>718121109
Not owning games is a valid reason to criticize steam

>>718121367
That's correct, but then to make up shit about not being able to play single player games offline is stupid. Even if it has Steamworks DRM, that's not how it works.

>>718121480
So online games don't work when steam goes down multiple times per week? Wow that's terrible

>>718121536
Depends on what they have set up for those multiplayer components. If they heavily use the SteamAPI, especially for servers, that could be a problem, but then there are games that have a server browser and server solution that still works completely fine, albeit with limited features.
The solution would be for games to limit or lessen their reliance on SteamAPI features which they do not need to implement into their code, but developers are lazy.

>>718121536
It goes down for 10 minutes at the same time once a week for maintenance.

>>718121662
That's rough. Glad I don't have to put up with that.

OP is baiting retard. But he is right that you can't play Denuvo games offline.

>>718102118
>At least your whole pc won't become useless if some company's servers go down.
Don't give them any ideas bro

>>718101261 (OP)
i can play offline without problem

>>718101261 (OP)
You mean... a company that hosts 132,712 games - each with their forums, screenshots, videos, streaming, achievements, and chat rooms - has to... do server maintenance?

>>718105051
The only cancerous industry practice is not donating thirty percent of their profits to the mass culling of retards such as yourself.

>>718122329
No you can't, get mad.

>>718122405
>SMALL BILLION DOLLAR PUBLISHER
>PLEASE UNDERSTAND

>>718110938
That shit don't fly down unda ya fucken cunt ay

>>718122448
>I want to kill you for criticizing valve
Do PC vegans really?

>>718101261 (OP)
>can't even play your games offline
But you can

>>718104224
You poor baby.

>Steamkeks have to ask daddy ATLUS to allow them to play her game even though they paid for it.
Are you an slave?

>>718101261 (OP)
i just played one of my steam games. don't be a dumbo.

>>718122505
They could have all the money in the world and that wouldn't change that server maintenance still needs to be done.

>>718113917
God help us.

>>718122595
Sure.

>>718122465
You can't play your PS6 because it doesn't exist and will never exist lololololol
Get shrekt Sonigerians

>>718122630
Stockholm syndrome.

>>718113917
OH THE POOMANITY

>>718122793
How? Maintenance and upgrades need to be done in every business in the world. Valve could buy the best servers in the world that costs 1 billion dollars each, and yet they still need maintenance.

>>718122871
Just checked and none of my other platforms have scheduled weekly maintenance. So not only is it stockholm syndrome, you're also a liar to defend a billion dollar corporation from criticism.

>>718123041
None of your other platforms are hosting 132,712 games, each with their forums, screenshots, videos, streaming, achievements, chat rooms, and cloud saves.

>>718123138
And steam hosts all the online.

>>718123138
>SMALL BILLION DOLLAR PUBLISHER
>PLEASE UNDERSTAND

>>718121247
To support the dev so more games get made.

>>718123514
your favorite website that you're thinking of has multiple servers of the same database. so when they do maintenance on one, they boot up the other to stop interruption of service. why are you such a nigger?

>>718123696
I already know how server maintenance works. Just wondering why valve doesn't.

>>718123808
Because they have hundreds of terrabytes to go through

>>718123878
The poor billion dollar publisher :'(

>>718123878
There's a 2022 study that showed that Valve's server process ~860 petabytes per week. Maybe that's just too much to store on 2 seperate servers, so that's why there's downtime?

>>718123998
>they should double the cost of operation because... i can't play my friendslop for 5 minutes, OKAY?!

>>718101261 (OP)
use GOG instead, dumbass

>steam down
time to touch grass

>NOOOOO LEAVE THE BILLION DOLLAR PUBLISHER ALONE
PC vegans are funny

>>718124013
It's that. Valve, for as big as they seem, are a very small company. It's only 350 employees, they just get paid a fuckload. Microsoft and Nintendo for comparison is 228,000 and 18,000 employees respectively.
For better or worse, Valve keeps things insanely tight knit. One of my only real criticisms of them is their review system and no resubmissions policy, which is likely a result of them getting 50+ games a day and having hardly any employees.

>>718124213
You are so buckbroken it's embarrassing. Keep dancing, monkey.

>>718124223
>It's only 350 employees

That's really impressive. Is everyone but the front desk clerk working 80 hour work weeks? I thought Valve was this laid-back "do whatever you want" kind of company?

>>718124294
Ok PC vegan.

>>718124213
You should install a 2nd engine in your car so when you take it to maintenance, you can still drive it around

>>718124359
If I had customers depending on a service I provided I would have multiple vehicles so that nobody would be without one when chose to do maintenance.

God damn PC vegans are the biggest bootlicking shills

>>718124310
>I thought Valve was this laid-back "do whatever you want" kind of company?
They are, and each employee has a very high degree of autonomy. I have no clue how they do it other than their hiring process being very strict.

>>718124429
>I would have multiple vehicles
Wow, I'm so glad you have the money to do that! :)
Now just make sure those cars use 100 gallons a week and maybe it'll be kinda like gabe's situation.

>>718124586
Poor billion dollar oligarch :'(

>>718124630
Note that the entire time Steam was "down," it wasn't.

>>718123808
I will take a predictable 10 minutes of downtime out of the 10,080 minutes per week over having to pay to use my own internet like consoles. Online play is literally the only thing it affects that matters, everything can be played offline, the vast majority of people don't even notice it when it happens. I had no clue it was a thing until I saw threads joking about it, it has never affected me and I've been on Steam for nearly 20 years.

>>718124928
Noted.

>>718124972
You never had a choice, PC vegan. Consoles aren't an option for you.

>>718101261 (OP)
>digital games can be revoked or locked due to server downtime at any time
>physical games decay and rot with time, and even digital preservation requires diligence that even the most dedicated of autists will falter on
There's no winning moves here.

>>718124972
>I had no clue it was a thing until I saw threads joking about it, it has never affected me and I've been on Steam for nearly 20 years.

THIS, SO MUCH THIS. I play multiplayer games every day(especially on Tuesday "Steam maintenance") and I've never been kicked out a multiplayer game, nor had any lag problems. I don't know what people are talking about. I've also been a Steam user since 2004. Maybe I've been lucky and wasn't playing multiplayer when this maintenance happens?

>>718125032
I grew up with consoles. When they started demanding money to play online in full price games, I knew it was time to start weaning off them. They've lost the plot completely at this point.

Consoles used to be king because pre-386 PCs couldn't brute force the sprite actions done in hardware on consoles. As time went on, the PC became dominant, especially once 3d accelerators and eventually GPUs came along.
Consoles are certainly cheaper than PCs, but they're not the best option if you can afford a high end PC.
Steamies schizo can't, because he can't keep up with Valve's support timeline. But he's in the third world.

>>718125268
>I grew up with consoles
And ended up as a PC vegan.

>>718125537
Who are you talking to? This thread has nothing to do with consoles.

>>718101261 (OP)
>can't even play your games offline

>>718125790
Yep. PC is just that much better.

>>718124630
poor you for being too poor

>>718125537
>Consoles are certainly cheaper than PCs, but they're not the best option if you can afford a high end PC.
The thing about cost is that they're only pricier upfront. You'll save far more in the long run with how cheap (or free) games are and everyone needs a PC anyway since it's good for far more than just games. Consoles are the expensive side purchase that aren't useful for anything else, especially now where they're half a grand or more upfront, have sneaky extra fees like paid online, and their peripheral and game prices just keep going up.

>>718105819
>checks again
>DVD has rotten
lol. lmao even

>>718101261 (OP)
I play my steam games offline all the time. If you're playing games that require an internet connection then that's an issue with what you bought.

>>718126157
I disagree.
>>718126325
I'm doing fine financially

>>718105819
>not your pic
>"h-how do you know?"
The ESRB rating. That's only for first worlders.