Thread 718105240

Literally what went so wrong?

>>718105240 (OP)
not enough variety imo
yea you have plenty of sub classes but the enemy pool is abit shit
probably because it takes so long to make them

>>718105240 (OP)
your thread went wrong with your retarded, pointless use of "literally"
i want you fucking dead

>>718105240 (OP)
They rushed the second half, plain and simple. First few levels felt carefully crafted, tight pacing, solid encounters-then it just turns into hallway simulator with repeated bosses and copy-pasted mobs. Felt like they had a vision but no time to actually finish the damn thing.

Uninspired gameplay favoring gimmicks and forced "caravan" style gameplay over character variety. Objectively worse writing. Uninspired antagonist and story. Gimmicky 3D aesthetics instead of kino 2D aesthetic.

Wayne June had amazing VO though. Music was ok, but not as memorable as DD1.

nothing? way more challenging game, boss and enemy encounters require constant thought on your positioning and moves you can do in said position, relationships and trinkets and other boons can exponentially increase DPS and tankiness, which you absolutely need by the endboss.

its just not the same kind of game as DD1, which is more of a long term character manager, DD2 is more about individual combat encounters.

the Eyes, Lungs and FInal Boss are some of the best turn based encounters I've had in a while, especially since at the Final Boss, I did the math of the last few turns I had left and it was absolutely garunteed loss.. till Reynauld triggered a relationship boon on Dismas

Literally better than the first one and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
Hamletfags are retards.
>Muh XCOM
Fuck off

>>718105240 (OP)
Went from fun perma death dungeon crawler to generic rogue-lite

>>718105662
the music was amazing.

not as good as the Color from Outerspace tracks but overall very good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWZj2DkSiew&list=RDPWZj2DkSiew&start_radio=1

>>718105763
>>718105797
The enemy variety is much worse than the fist game.

>>718106084
irrelevent, enemies actually do things in this game.

in DD1, you can stunlock the vast majority of enemies, even post stun nerf.

>>718106084
Alright, sure, I agree. But overall DD2 is easily better. The progression system in DD1 sucks balls.

>>718106179
It’s really not. It has much less content than 1.

>>718106402
in terms of pure time? sure you durdle like crazy in DD1.

in terms of unique content, DD2 is way better, DD1's combat is a snooze fest, your GODS and can stunlock everything easily.

>darkest dungeon
>no dungeon
also Reynauld not being present at release

>>718106572
You act like you cant cheese DD2 in the same way with a optimal party setup

>>718106572
the Prot and Stun resist buffs you can have on your tank characters trivialize damage in DD1, in DD2 the best you can hope for is limited tokens of Protection which last as many hits as you can apply tokens.

DD1 is comically easy once the trinkets start flowing, your tanks become unkillable and your DPS can start wave clearing the first 3 ranks in a single move.

Nothing. Its better than 1.

>>718106781
only with limited use combat tokens and getting lucky with good trinkets, which require going to high risk high reward areas on the branching paths.

you have to chart out and pay with for your rewards one way or another in DD2.

in DD1, you just ACCRUE them, and the advantages are forever.

having like 50% prot or higher on a Man at Arms is a path to pure easy street for instance.

So what they will do with Wayne June being dead?

>>718106781
DD1 is like 5 times as easy as DD2.

they highlight this clearly with

>>718106985
*with the Bounty Hunter being DD1 level powerful in DD2 as a limited use hero

>>718106961
train voice AI on his existing lines

>>718106961
just get a new VO, Wayne June's final lines were great, go out on a high note for him.

I like that DD2 is an inverse DD1 in terms of plot and thematics, this one goes over all the failings of the cast, and casts you in the darkest depths of bleak impossiblity, but demands you find the hope in the nothing, very Sisyphean.

where as the first one was like a fading sunset, always hope on the horizon, always to be crushed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uXo-KgnwHo

>>718105240 (OP)
>Literally what went so wrong?
Darkest dungeon 1

>>718107442
whatever they do for DD3, they better bring back actual dungeons you can scavenge through. I'm fine with the roguelike approach but ditch the stupid carriage and just delve into dungeons like the name says

>>718105240 (OP)
They made a bad game cupcake. No need to thank me for having an iq above 30. Not being as retarded as you subhumans is reward enough.

>>718105240 (OP)
The lead fev has absolutely no idea what he's doing and constantly gives excuses. Plain example of incompetence 101.

>>718108278
My bad, im incredibly drunk and thought this was a dark and darker thread.

>>718108159
its way more put together than DD1, though DD1 has more charm.

DD2 is actual game with depth and difficulty, DD1 is an easily solvable snooze fest.

the moment you grasp the systems in DD1 and have the trinkets, you can blitz through the game, nothing can conceivably stop you.

Nothing. The actual gameplay is way better, the art design is better, and the adventure mode is great. Main criticism would have to be that it took too long to get to this point, but the game has surpassed DD1. By the by, anybody disagreeing with the gameplay being better either cheated the first game, can't into strategy, or hasn't bothered with the career paths/reworks. Probably all three

>>718108649
The game has worse enemy variety than 1, so why should I care?

>>718108705
how so? in DD1 enemy variety comes down entirely to what they are weak against and which individual enemy is more likely to disease you.

in DD2, those same tribes have whole mechanics and themes on top of that, such as the Meat Field fuckers all eating each other for power ups.

>>718105240 (OP)
Why did they pozz it?

>>718108705
>cultists
>beastmen
>witches
>plaguebearers(?)
>undead soldiers
>human soldiers
>warlord
>brigands/antiquarian
>beasts
>slimes/cryptkeeper
>fishmen
>pyromaniacs
>all the lair bosses and returning roaming bosses
>confession bosses instead of three versions of the same boss
>soon to be bloodsuckers

ko no

>>718108904
I have played DD2 for like 120 hours, and I don't know what you mean.

pozz?? what's woke in this one?

>>718109265
He means the amorous random dice roll relationship. It's a non-issue, though I think the entire system is kind of lacking. Not much of a step up from afflictions in the first game, but I like how it can affect buffs and interactions on the map or in combat

first one was just a better game and alot more fun to replay
raising a squad of heroes was just a better experience then the whole reset every run shit

>>718109480
if the tethers of reality and pulling apart so much so that half the places we go are just inky voids of darkness, I'm fucking anyone I can.

>>718105240 (OP)
The fucking cart, its literally the source of all its problems

>>718108495
It's telling that your only defence is shitting on a different game and difficulty. It's not your fault that you were born with a sewage colored skin color but it is youre fault for not rising above it and at least attempting to mimick humanity.

>>718105240 (OP)
It had a very rough launch on EGS which soured a lot of people's perception of the game. I think the game looks great and I really enjoy the token combat rather than whiffing a 95% chance to hit. However, it never quite hit a sweet spot with the weird meta progression. I kind of enjoy Kingdoms, but it honestly takes TOO long to complete. I just get tired by escalation 3. I wish there had been some kind of merger of the Kingdoms and Confessions game modes so you could do one mega campaign.

>>718109943
yea I'm comparing it to the first game, dumbass.

its better in alot of ways than DD1, combat most of all

>>718109786
the cart isn't fundamentally different than roaming the halls, hell there's actually less random bullshit

>>718105240 (OP)
Shittier, souless artsyle for a start.
Failure to understand what made DD1 so beloved
3D brought nothing on the table and just killed any chance at a decent modding scene (and I'm not talking about the retarded porn/anime/out-of-style/lore-breaking/imbalanced shitty mods, there's genuine gems )

>>718105240 (OP)
I’m getting close to the 200-hour mark and my only real complaint is that it sucks for the first few hours when you don’t have anything unlocked. Some characters like Flagellant are completely worthless before you do their shrines. Otherwise, it’s a great game and almost as good as the first.

>>718110415
kek dismas looks so shitty in dd1. the chibi style blows in comparison

>>718110415
I don't know how you can pretend the chibi artstyle is better.

However, I WILL say I like the darker atmosphere and cultist designs in 1. I wish we had some more stuff like that rather than the more "monster" designs we had in 2. I still think everything looks good though.

They made all the heroes gay with that amorous bullshit. Gay game for gay gamers only, fuckin' idiots @Redhook.

>>718111293
who gives a fuck about that, its pure random chance paired buff.

look I hate jeets, troons and general costal elite bullshit, but I don't care that for a few rounds Dismas wants to fucking Reynault if he gives him extra turns and crit buffs.

the hairsplitting on shit like this is just as annoying as the woke retardation

>>718105240 (OP)
I finally gave it a chance and played it, it's actually better than DD1 in many ways, like combat, graphics (yeah the 3d models makes it impossible to mod but they're very good) and team building variety but DD1 felt more memorable thanks to the better music, quotes and atmosphere.
The biggest problem with DD2 is the lack of dungeons, the stagecoach isn't so bad but... Thematically doesn't make sense and i'm fucking tired of slay the spire "inspired" progression.

>>718111464
>the hairsplitting on shit like this is just as annoying as the woke retardation
>troon-wearing-chud-mask.jpg
You're not fooling anyone, troon.

>>718111605
I mean it makes "sense", you have to take the Fire of Hope to the mountain of despair.

it couldn't be a more literal interpretation of the themes of the games.

sex with the plague doctor
sex with the stew lady
sex with the dd2 mushroom lady

>>718111953
yea yea , anyone who gets annoying with the purity spiraling on your end is a troon.

just calling it as I see it, the woke shit is still infinitely worse, but the endless fucking kvetching about it is also really fucking annoying, mainly when its over trivial shit.

>>718105240 (OP)
Lack of explicit monster rape scenes of Graverobber

>>718112145
i love a woman with a nice hat

>>718111976
Yeah but if they just made that your guys need to carry it on foot by passing though dungeons to explore it would have been better. It's not a big deal but they really should have thought how to make dungeon delving fun instead of taking slay the spire's progression (which i admit, works) and calling it a day.

>>718112605
eh, the actual dungeons in DD1 were tedium incarnate, only the Vampire DLC made it fun by.. making it completely preset.

the endgame Wealds was such fucking ass that I never want to do it again.

>>718109603
But the heroes that survive get a buff, and beating the entire game with the same group is actually quite difficult.

>>718105240 (OP)
I think the only thing that went wrong was having it be epic games exclusive for as long as it was, this meant far less of an active community, and way less of a transition over to the game, less mods, etc.

>>718105240 (OP)
Nothing. They did what good developers do.
They explored the entirety of what could be done with the Darkest Dungeon 1 formula so for the sequel they tried something new.
Developers should always be trying new things. If they don't work out that is fine.
New is always preferable to the same thing over and over.

>>718105240 (OP)
subverted expectations approach

>>718105240 (OP)
Are they going to add Houndmaster someday?