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Anonymous No.718109978 >>718110337 >>718110462 >>718112157 >>718112260 >>718112889 >>718114772 >>718114876 >>718115225 >>718115719 >>718117638 >>718118814
elden rang
You are telling me this fucker went around and had like 10 kids?!
Anonymous No.718110274
he had rizz
Anonymous No.718110337
>>718109978 (OP)
being pretty much God was probably a pretty big aura boost
Anonymous No.718110462 >>718110662 >>718110674 >>718110879 >>718117602
>>718109978 (OP)
>marika shits out a male clone of herself
>her male clone is a superior ruler and is a better person with actual empathy and morals
what did Miyazaki mean by this
Anonymous No.718110662 >>718110796 >>718110946 >>718113454
>>718110462
>empathy and morals
>abandoned his loving tradwife to literally go fuck his own clone
Anonymous No.718110674 >>718110948 >>718118945 >>718120486
>>718110462
>what did GRRM mean by this

ftfy
Anonymous No.718110796
>>718110662
bitch forced him to
so she can have incest babies w him
Anonymous No.718110879 >>718111073
>>718110462
Anonymous No.718110895 >>718111009
Radabitch is the nice guy Marika settled for when bad boy GODfrey ditched her ass
Anonymous No.718110946 >>718111073
>>718110662
Anonymous No.718110948
>>718110674
That fat dickhead didn't write shit.
The plot was changing up until and then after release constantly. Radagon was a totally different guy even in 1.0 compared to the day 1 patch.
Whatever that slacker did, it was either so distant from the canon that it is irrelevant or so small in scale that it is irrelevant.
Anonymous No.718111009 >>718111041 >>718111130 >>718111414 >>718111585
>>718110895
>Radagon had 3 Empyrian children
>Godfrey had 0, instead he had crippled mutants that got tossed into the sewers
Anonymous No.718111041 >>718111156 >>718114008
>>718111009
>>Radagon had 3 Empyrian children
Radagon has 5 children

Melina and Mesmer are his children too
Anonymous No.718111073 >>718111156 >>718111205
>>718110879
>>718110946
Marika femNTRing/reverse NTRing Rennala is top tier fetish material tbdesu.
Anonymous No.718111130 >>718111206 >>718111235
>>718111009
retard godfrey has 1 empyrean child
godwyn was a gigachad who harnessed lighting with the dragons before he got turned into the death god
Anonymous No.718111156 >>718111305 >>718111315 >>718111398 >>718117832
>>718111073
>Led the only nation that successfully fought the might of the Golden Order
>Fought Prime Radagon to a draw, something that no one else could do
>During the war she cast a Terra Magicka so powerful that it covered the entire Academy of Raya Lucaria, buffing every Sorcerer and Carian Knight
>Her Carian Knights absolutely annihilated the Leyndell Knights while outnumbered ten to one
>She was neither a God or a Demi-God, and received her Great Rune from Radagon after the war. She was just a humble astrologer that became a queen
>Her (and her sister's) Full Moon Sorceries and her Glintstone Staff have the highest INT requirement in the game
>Can use Azure's Comet
>Can summon a Dragon
>Best children

>Only recorded loss in canonical lore to this day was to depression

Stealing her husband was the only way Marika could think of to defeat Rennala.

>>718111041
Are they also Empyrian? I was counting Malenia, Miquella and Ranni.
Anonymous No.718111205
>>718111073
fetish only works with women getting it
people who post men getting cucked need to be dragged out in the street and publicly decapitated for spreading their misery porn
Anonymous No.718111206 >>718111617
>>718111130
Godwyn wasn't an Empyrian, only Ranni, Malenia and Miquella were.
Anonymous No.718111235
>>718111130
Godwyn wasn't an empyrean.
He was never a God candidate.
Anonymous No.718111305
>>718111156
>Are they also Empyrian? I was counting Malenia, Miquella and Ranni.
Yeah, they are born from Marika and Radagon together
Anonymous No.718111315 >>718111376
>>718111156
>strong woman is cucked to death by an even stronger and hotter woman
Doujins for this feel?
Anonymous No.718111376 >>718117981
>>718111315
>To death
Rennala did outlive Marika.
Anonymous No.718111398 >>718111473 >>718111492
>>718111156
IF Melina was the Gloam Eyed Queen, then she was one, too.
That is a controversial IF, but it is a popular theory.
Anonymous No.718111414 >>718111512 >>718111585
>>718111009
>he had crippled mutants
Not his fault Marika was slumming it it up with the hornsent dickheads in her youth
Anonymous No.718111473 >>718111731
>>718111398
If Melina was the Gloam-Eyed Queen, then she is the most buckbroken character in the entire story
Anonymous No.718111492 >>718111738
>>718111398
>IF Melina was the Gloam Eyed Queen, then she was one, too.
Mesmer confirmed Melina was her sister and dude has redhair, only Radagon lineage have red hair, so yes, they are both empyreans
Anonymous No.718111512
>>718111414
wrong Godfrey had some hornsent dna in him
Anonymous No.718111585
>>718111009
>>718111414
They were mutants halfway because Godfrey was a walking half-man half-beast who was empowered by the Crucible. Which is where the horns on both the Hornsent and Omen come from in the first place.
Anonymous No.718111617 >>718111796
>>718111206
>tfw no age of rot or bussy ending by being their consorts
Anonymous No.718111658 >>718111724 >>718122138
>Rennala fell in love with and married a redhead
>Rellana fell in love with and spent her life with a redhead
Canonically the Tarnished is a redhead since Ranni's ending is the canon true ending.
Anonymous No.718111660 >>718111740
He had 3
Anonymous No.718111724
>>718111658
then why does he have dark brown hair?
Anonymous No.718111731
>>718111473
She won though. You burn the tree and kill all the gods.
Unless you go Frenzied Flame mode. But then no one wins at all
Anonymous No.718111738 >>718111894 >>718112168 >>718112213
>>718111492
>No secret extra ending where you use Messmer's flame to burn the Erdtree, saving Melina but breaking her heart since it meant her brother's death and her losing him a second time
>No Melina scenes in a few Sites of Graces in the DLC, commenting on your progression and her brother Messmer
>No special extra Malenia boss cutscene if you did the DLC before her fight like the one Sif got 14 years ago
>Zero new Gideon lines for the DLC

I'm still upset.
Anonymous No.718111740
>>718111660
>He had 3
5

melina, mesmer are canon
Anonymous No.718111796 >>718111980 >>718112789 >>718112913
>>718111617
Anonymous No.718111821 >>718111909
>Rellana is always depicted in fanart as having short hair
RETARDS
SHE HAS A BRAID DOWN TO HER ASS, IT'S CANON, YOU CAN FUCKING SEE IT IN GAME
Rennala is the one with the short hair, how the fuck do you fit long hair into that absurd moon-like headdress
Anonymous No.718111894
>>718111738
They were super lazy at tying the events of the DLC into the base game this time.
Especially because you could get there pretty early through Varre and Mohg is not that hard of a boss. Especially with the tear you can get to stop his Nihil.
Anonymous No.718111909 >>718114354
>>718111821
The braid is part of the hat, it's Rennala's hair that she cut off and gave to her sister.
Anonymous No.718111980
>>718111796
She's like in the top 5 most evil characters in the game.
Anonymous No.718112157
>>718109978 (OP)
I love my doll wife
Anonymous No.718112160 >>718112213
>No super secret special questline in the DLC to obtain the Mending Rune of the Primeval Current to get the true Sellen ending where you save and marry her
Why did Miyazaki betray us?
Anonymous No.718112168 >>718112372 >>718112453 >>718112637
>>718111738
Mesmer did nothing wrong

also his army looked cold as fuck with the doom masks and black knights
Anonymous No.718112213 >>718112309 >>718112857
it really does feel like this could have been a masterpiece of a game but missed more dev time

>>718112160
>>718111738
Anonymous No.718112260
>>718109978 (OP)
>him and mohg pretty much the only bosses that stand up to ds3 and bb's best
>even still he's ruined by a dogshit second phase
yeah i'm thinking elden ring was a disappointment
Anonymous No.718112309
>>718112213
Don't forget potential cool additions to Promised Consort Radahn's 2nd phase cutscene based on what ending you got if you completed the game.
Anonymous No.718112372 >>718112537
>>718112168
The Hornsent deserved worse.
Anonymous No.718112453
>>718112168
>he's Messmer the mighty
>roams through the countryside,
>he never needs a place to hide.
>With Relly as his sidekick,
>fighting with her little sticks.
>Righting wrongs and singing songs.
>Being mighty all day long.
He's Messmer! He's Messmer the Mighty!
Anonymous No.718112537 >>718112660
>>718112372
Anonymous No.718112637 >>718112814 >>718114047
>>718112168
Honestly Messmer is the best guy to be working for he treats his soldiers the best with how great their gear is and he offers them a 401k and benefits
Anonymous No.718112660
>>718112537
Anonymous No.718112789 >>718112882
>>718111796
Melania cannot be cured, she IS the Goddess of Rot, its core to her very being.

it'd like curing you of being human or something.
Anonymous No.718112814
>>718112637
Anonymous No.718112857
>>718112213
TRUE! Sadly after the insane success of ER, Miyazaki will never make a game with story
Anonymous No.718112882
>>718112789
Praying the gay away didn't work for miquella for this very reason
Anonymous No.718112889 >>718113504 >>718113551
>>718109978 (OP)
Are you telling me you WOULDN'T fuck this twunk? What are you, fuckin gay or something?
Anonymous No.718112913 >>718113026 >>718113336
>>718111796
what would her consort ending be like?
Anonymous No.718112935 >>718113027 >>718113062 >>718113203 >>718113649 >>718118337
Messmer is so lucky...
Anonymous No.718113026
>>718112913
>You can't beat me, Tarnished!
>I know, but she can
Anonymous No.718113027 >>718113261 >>718113649
>>718112935
lookslike a tranny, no offense
Anonymous No.718113062 >>718113553
>>718112935
shame the weapons have such insanely high stat requirements to be good.
Anonymous No.718113203 >>718113354 >>718113637
>>718112935
boss would've been good if she was more staggerable other wise it's just a roll roll roll roll hit boss
Anonymous No.718113261 >>718113385 >>718113637
>>718113027
Anonymous No.718113336
>>718112913
imagine the smell
Anonymous No.718113354 >>718113637
>>718113203
You can parry and block against her too.
Anonymous No.718113385
>>718113261
better
Anonymous No.718113454
>>718110662
Also
>loyal to a cult started by aliens actively spouting nonsense
>the same aliens that enabled a psychopath dedicated to making her kids skin people for no reason
Anonymous No.718113504
>>718112889
I couldn't, my heart belongs to Boc.
Anonymous No.718113551 >>718113641 >>718113817
>>718112889
>twunk
He's literally Fabio.
Dude is just a normal Hunk
Anonymous No.718113553
>>718113062
I put enough FTH, STR and DEX to meet the minimum requirements while having 80 INT on my level 150 INT character and they do pretty good damage, especially with the Moon part of the Ash of War.
My bigger issue is the Stamina consumption, it costs a ton to use them.
Anonymous No.718113637 >>718113736
>>718113203
beat her on my 5th attempt after I staggered her like 3-4x with my Giant Crusher.
>>718113261
>>718113354
what is it with INT women and their obsession with for FTH chuds?
Anonymous No.718113641
>>718113551
Compared to fucking Godfrey, he's AT BEST a twunk.
Anonymous No.718113649 >>718113723 >>718113747 >>718113834 >>718114076
>>718113027
Women suck at drawing women.
>>718112935
I wish her armor didn't always have tit cups on them.
It looks sick as fuck, but if you're a dude then you're walking around with permanent boob armor.
Anonymous No.718113723 >>718113853
>>718113649
>Women suck at drawing women.
I have noticed this, why? do they imprint masculine features that they like of men in their female chracters?
Anonymous No.718113736 >>718115383
>>718113637
They love redheads, make sure to make your Tarnished a redhead if you're going for Ranni's ending for guaranteed true love.
Anonymous No.718113747
>>718113649
The point of the armor is to cosplay Saber
Anonymous No.718113817 >>718115587
>>718113551
His in-game model and depictions arguably give him a somewhat womanly jawline (kinda hard to tell since he's so shattered), and most fanart depictions emphasize that. I think it makes sense, since he's supposed to seamlessly transition between male and female, so he doesn't have to grow a chad jaw
Anonymous No.718113834
>>718113649
I like the chest and pants parts of her armor set with the Cuckoo Knight helmet and gloves.
Anonymous No.718113853
>>718113723
Men like things like heart shaped faces, women tend to desire having longer and more angular faces.
Cuteness vs elegance.

This is pretty general.
Women like perceiving themselves as dignified and elegant over being cute. And this dignified look is fairly androgynous a lot of the time.
Anonymous No.718114008 >>718114256
>>718111041
No, Messmer and Melina are from an unmentionned 1st husband. Otherwise the timeline doesn't add up.
Anonymous No.718114047
>>718112637
Anonymous No.718114076
>>718113649
>Women suck at drawing women.
90% of beloved female characters have been drawn by women
Anonymous No.718114256 >>718114674 >>718115218 >>718115304 >>718116442
>>718114008
>No, Messmer and Melina are from an unmentionned 1st husband. Otherwise the timeline doesn't add up.
You have to be dumb to not think Mesmer is Radagon son when Radagon red hair and lineage are like that cause Radagon hair was cursed by the fire giants
Anonymous No.718114354 >>718114570
>>718111909
>it's Rennala's hair that she cut off and gave to her sister
GOD THE TWINCEST VIBES
But noooooo, she had to go for the "i can fix him" snakeboy instead
Anonymous No.718114570
>>718114354
Anonymous No.718114674
>>718114256
Radagon's hair isn't a giant curse, it's just that he sees his hair disdainfully because it reminds him of how the Giants are cursed to be guard dogs.
Anonymous No.718114712
Patiently waiting for Miyasaki's next ARPG
Anonymous No.718114772 >>718115254
>>718109978 (OP)
Imagine caring about a lore in a reflex training lgbtq+ rollslop game
Anonymous No.718114876 >>718114928 >>718114936
>>718109978 (OP)
How do you people even discover these pieces of lore. I just grind through the game without putting much thought.
Anonymous No.718114928 >>718115153
>>718114876
Never talked to the Turtle Pope?
Anonymous No.718114936 >>718115081
>>718114876
It's directly stated in one of the endings (Goldmask's).
Anonymous No.718115081
>>718114936
You guys pay attention to endings? It's just a glorified boss rush with a primitive token lore
Anonymous No.718115153 >>718115695
>>718114928
I find all the dialogues boring unless they give me something for free at the end
Anonymous No.718115218 >>718115254
>>718114256
Sounds like Messmer and Melina were the kids of Marika and a Fire Giant. They both have curses related to becoming kindling.
Anonymous No.718115225
>>718109978 (OP)
No, he had 6 kids.
As a man.

As a woman, he had many more, the number is never given but it's probably more than 20.
Anonymous No.718115254 >>718115494 >>718116027
>>718114772
>>718115218
>Sounds like Messmer and Melina were the kids of Marika and a Fire Giant. They both have curses related to becoming kindling.
both mesmer and melina had those butterflies only children of radagon have
Anonymous No.718115304 >>718115494
>>718114256
It's stated Radagon merged together with Marika later in the timeline.

>"O Radagon, leal hound of the Golden Order. Thou'rt yet to become me. Thou'rt yet to become a god. Let us be shattered, both. Mine other self”

His soundtrack is a reverb of Radagon's theme, but imo it's the other way around, Marika fell for Radagon because he reminded her of her 1st son.
Anonymous No.718115383 >>718118924
>>718113736
Do I also need FTH? I'm in the Land of Shadows with only 9 FTH, I've yet to choose my ending.
Anonymous No.718115490
>[HEADCANON}: The Game.
do fromfags really?
Anonymous No.718115494 >>718115572 >>718118791
>>718115304
>His soundtrack is a reverb of Radagon's theme, but imo it's the other way around, Marika fell for Radagon because he reminded her of her 1st son.
wrong, read again >>718115254

also
>remind him of her 1st son

dude
'
Radagon and Marika is the same story of Miquella and St trina, they are the same
Anonymous No.718115572 >>718115649 >>718115757
>>718115494
Why would the writer put the same story twice ?
Anonymous No.718115587 >>718115960
>>718113817
Radagon is great mythos character, the game goes into great detail on Marika's rise, but Radagon himself is a mystery, what we know of him, is that he "is" Marika in some fashion.

and more importently, if he really was just something she crafted to be the alchemic Red King and nothing more, it speaks volumes that he was a "dream" that made himself real, in his opposition to Marika and her insanity and terror, Radagon seemed like a man of peace and reconciliation, hence his most divine artifact tied to him.. is a needle and thread.
Anonymous No.718115649
>>718115572
>what is parallelism
>what are themes
Anonymous No.718115695
>>718115153
how about this dialogue.

kill yourself
Anonymous No.718115719 >>718115943
>>718109978 (OP)
I'm straight but Radagon is objectively hotter than Marika.
Anonymous No.718115757 >>718116127 >>718116243
>>718115572
Souls games love having history repeat itself again and again.
When you go down into Nokstella and find the giant Lake of Rot, that is meant to make you realize that history has been repeating itself in the Elden Ring world forever and that was just another Caelid that happened so long ago everyone forgot about it. As an example.

Miquella's story is about how he ironically becomes his mother by doing everything he can to not be like her.
Anonymous No.718115943
>>718115719
Imagine getting mogged by your own husband
Anonymous No.718115960
>>718115587
Marika is also a mystery, though there is alot about her that can be gleaned by what everyone isn't stating.

no one, not even her most ardent worshipers, not a singlular fucker, "Loves" Marika, no one speaks of her in anything but terror, sure many worship the GO that she crafted, and many likely worship her as "The Eternal" Marika, but no one in the game speaks about her in anything but fear.

the few we meet who have met her, or the few bits of interactions written, all have the people who met her, be terrified beyond all comprehension, Hewg was so horrified by his interactions even hundreds of years later he begs for it to end, same with the FIre Giant she spared.

this is something we will likely never be able to understand, since marika is never met, and likely never will be, but its very interesting.
Anonymous No.718116027 >>718116216
>>718115254
We don’t know if only children of Radagon have them though, because Melina’s parentage is intentionally kept secret. At beast it’s 2/3 in the base game which is already hardly conclusive.
Anonymous No.718116127
>>718115757
yea Miquella tries to be God of Love and Peace, but he's terrifying to those who interact with him and understand him, just like Marika.
Anonymous No.718116216
>>718116027
Melina was almost assuredly the first "pair" of children, with Messmer.

both had the Flame, Melina very likely had the BLackflame (or even, the Flame of Destined Death, but it got yoinked by Marika and Maliketh) hell Messmer's flame has bits of black in it too.

Melina likely rose up against her Mother and becamse what history only knows as the GLoam eyed Queen, and was defeated, burned and stripped of her memories and body.
Anonymous No.718116243 >>718116353 >>718116374
>>718115757
You're not wrong but there's also no implication Miquella would've done anything wrong, you're just meant to fight him because he's in the way of your own objectives.

>Circlet of Light

>The circlet of light which adorned Miquella's head as he returned in divine aspect. It has begun to fade into nothingness.

>This circle was to be the very foundation upon which Miquella's age of compassion would be built, should it have ever come to pass.

>Light of Miquella

>The strength of Miquella upon his deific return, wielded as an incantation.

>Annihilates foes with a pillar of light.

>Miquella sought to accept all that was and would be, but found one that refused to be embraced.

>No wonder, as one god, and one king consort, is all the world needs.
Anonymous No.718116353 >>718116548 >>718117107
>>718116243
Yeah, and Marika started hers by giving everyone a utopia where they could drink the purest tree sap and forever be happy and healthy and never fear death or pain, and then that faded with time until she became a terrifying genocidal warlord over an all too normal kingdom.
Anonymous No.718116374
>>718116243
he would have brainwashed every being that ever lived and ever would live, forever.

its just as unnatural as Marika removing Death from the world.
Anonymous No.718116442
>>718114256
Radagon isn’t Messmer’s dad. The narration calls Messmer β€œas” a brother to Radahn, to the same extent that Gaius is, in the very same sentence. He and Radahn don’t share any parents.
Anonymous No.718116490 >>718116605
Thoughts on the Elden Ring movie casting?
Anonymous No.718116548
>>718116353
it heavily implies she was always terrifying upon her Godhood.

how she is terrifying is never stated, but is overwelming, more so than anything we fight in game.

she also planned, from near the start, to strip warriors and Godfrey of the Grace, send them to go fight and die, then give it back to them at the proper time, meaning she always planned to cause the Shattering and the insane chaos and bloodshed that would follow.

if Gideon is to be believed, and he's certainly terrified and spooked enough when we last meet him, she intended for everyone to fight and struggle for all time over the broken world she meticulously made.

this can explain why Radagon so desperately tried to stop us, us becoming "Elden Lord" was the final checkmate for her, it didn't matter how we did it (Frenzy Flame likely was too complete a destruction for her liking though) because no matter what now, the cycle of warring over the Elden Ring will be forever.
Anonymous No.718116605 >>718117064
>>718116490
the only movie you could make is of Marika's origins and rise to power and the very start of the Shattering.
Anonymous No.718116681 >>718117543
Stop hitting yourself /v/
Anonymous No.718117064 >>718117558
>>718116605
Most players would scratch their head and who the fuck he was, but Vyke's story is a good one for making a film around.
>be the strongest tarnished around
>gather at least two great runes - you defeated at least two demigods
>be the best friend the dragons ever had since Godwyn himself
>get all the way to the mountaintops of the giants
>realize that you'll have to burn your waifu to move forward and unseal the erdtree
>meet the devil on your via dolorosa
>he tells you there's another option - you burn yourself instead
>you just have to descend to the deepest parts of the realm and meet the agent of an crazed outer god that wants to conflagrate the entire world
>hide your waifu away in a small church and go meet your fate
>get embraced by the three fingers and have your armor and body scarred by them forever
>end up captured and sealed away when you return to burn the erdtree to the ground yourself
>you can now only project a shadow of your former self into the outside world to protect where you hid away your waifu

Tragedies are trendy these days.
Anonymous No.718117107 >>718117206
>>718116353
Marika's mistakes come from her hatred of the horned races, and whatever the Night of the Black Knives is supposed to be about.

Playing the base game I got the impression Ranni's ending is the canon one. Since it leads to some kind of atheist, modern society.
Anonymous No.718117206
>>718117107
>I got the impression Ranni's ending is the canon one. Since it leads to some kind of atheist, modern society.
We'll just have to see in Elden Ring TWO
Anonymous No.718117459 >>718117615
>he didn't let CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD
Anonymous No.718117543
>>718116681
>radahn's armor
>utterly shit at the game
Like clockwork.
inb4 >post your drip
Fashion is my passion.
Anonymous No.718117558
>>718117064
actually weirdly enough the Vyke in the Gaol no longer has the flame, just his Dragon incantations.

he potentially rid himself of the frenzy flame, then Gaol'd himself out of fear.
Anonymous No.718117602
>>718110462
You didnt play the DLC if you still think Marika created Radagon
Anonymous No.718117615
>>718117459
I'm not a Jew who believes in Tikkum Olam and listenting to literal Talmudic Demons named Shabriri.
Anonymous No.718117638
>>718109978 (OP)
elden ring ring ring ring ring hold up my build. . .
Anonymous No.718117832
>>718111156
I'm convinced the "wedding" was actually her sealing Radagon in a rape dungeon for her personal pleasure and she got depressed after he escaped haha
Anonymous No.718117849 >>718117998
That's a nice ring you got there, >ma'am.
Would be a shame if I...rubbed my stinky doodoo feces on it.
Anonymous No.718117981
>>718111376
Aren't those dogs gifts from rennala?
Anonymous No.718117998 >>718118675
>>718117849
Marika wouldn't give a shit.

so long as Conflict eternal was born, which seems inevitable.
Anonymous No.718118331 >>718118706
I think Miquella and Trina are supposed to hint more at the nature of Marika and Radagon. Specifically, Leda says "...St. Trina’s love for Kind Miquella is boundless. She is, after all, his other half." and then Trina herself saying "You must kill Miquella. Grant him forgiveness..." and finally, how even though Trina was the other side of Miquella, when torn apart she has her own form.
"Radagon of the Golden Order" and Marika saying "...leal hound of the Golden Order." makes me think he loves Marika and what she has created. But she has given up and wants to die, and that's why he tries to stop her from breaking the ring and us from taking the throne. He's been abandoned in a way because his other half wishes to die, and he doesn't want to lose her.
Anonymous No.718118337
>>718112935
>Tiche
The lands between is tall women heaven and marika RUINED IT
Anonymous No.718118535 >>718118740
It makes sense why and how all the other demigods were cursed, but who or what the fuck cursed miquella?
Anonymous No.718118675 >>718118768
>>718117998
So the Frenzied Flame ending is the only one she doesn’t approve of?
Anonymous No.718118706 >>718118812 >>718119114
>>718118331
worse than given up, the entire GO was a farce on Marika's end, even before creating it, she planned to destroy it.

Marika likely wanted to build up a big enough religion and base for the Elden Ring to standon, and then have everyone fight over it for eternity.
Anonymous No.718118740 >>718118834
>>718118535
None or unnamed and unknown. His age was compassion and none of the known gods represented that at all so it was something new or done without an alien god influencing him.
If the theories are correct he's got some sort of lingering link to the eclipse which might be an entity itself after his ritual at sol castle.
Anonymous No.718118768 >>718118905 >>718118912
>>718118675
uh, just likely less so, she seems to want everyone to suffer and fight and kill forever.

doing it all at once means it'll take eons for everything to big bang again, unless I guess Melina fucks us up and undoes it somehow.

Marika seems to have nothing but Malice for the world and all those in it.
Anonymous No.718118791
>>718115494
>Marika fell for Radagon
It's the same person tho
Anonymous No.718118808
Friendly reminder being empyrean means nothing to marika the Eternal, as in she's never abdicating that throne
Anonymous No.718118812 >>718118932
>>718118706
I think the original plan was to use it to gain knowledge for its own sake but the beast made things difficult and she couldn't use the religion and dumpster it like intended.
Anonymous No.718118814
>>718109978 (OP)
with himself yeah
Anonymous No.718118834 >>718119067
>>718118740
the Eclipse is just a visual representation of Godwyn's weird ass eyes.
Anonymous No.718118905 >>718119108
>>718118768
>uh, just likely less so, she seems to want everyone to suffer and fight and kill forever.
That was Gideon's take on it which is flawed. She wanted the fighting to have a purpose (to escape the cycles of control they were stuck in). She couldn't tell anyone because a Radagon was inside her listening so she had to kind of push people into fighting but also made sure only specific types of people would rise to the top.
Anonymous No.718118912 >>718119108
>>718118768
>malice
Her vision for the world is no more malicious than Odin’s Valhalla
Anonymous No.718118924
>>718115383
Carian woman are innately besotted with Str/Faith cave men
Anonymous No.718118932 >>718119202
>>718118812
everything in game goes exactly as she intended, she kept everything "ordered" exactly as long as she had to, so that the entire GO, and the Elden Ring, are now "load bearing".

remember, its her that essentially sets Melina on her path to find a Tarnished and have her burn the Erdtree, and she likely set that up, the Tarnished, and everything else, thousands of years in advance, long before the Black Knives.
Anonymous No.718118945
>>718110674
They said he only wrote the background that happened thousands of years ago that informed the lore of the game. The reality is we probably didn't get to see any of the stuff he wrote, except maybe Placidusax
Anonymous No.718119067
>>718118834
Maybe not. The lunar moons were entities of some sort. Whatever celestial conjuction going on in Nightreign is an entity of some sort as well. Either they are beings masquerading as things or people thinking they are things give them life, but there is some sort of life behind most of the celestial objects and phenomena.
Again, its just a theory based on miquella's eyes you can't even see but the metaphysics of this stuff is laid out in the game itself. I err on the side of it being unknown and inconsequential to the story itself.
Anonymous No.718119108 >>718119202 >>718119249
>>718118912
going to valhalla is no grand thing, and Odin knows it, its just getting soldiers for some final battle.

>>718118905
I highly doubt Gideon's interpretation is supposed to be considered flawed, he's pretty smart dude, I believe him, and the writers, are exposing Marika in that moment, the game is a horror game in the end, and the reveal is that Marika is truly monstrous, more than any preception of her before that moment.

mind you, up till then, there has been zero information that painted Marika as anything but malicious to other forces and people, not a single dialogue or plot point ever exposits that Marika has any good will or love for anything but possibly Godwyn.

I highly doubt Marika ever had any good intentions at all, she built her entire Godhood ascension on betrayal and death as is.
Anonymous No.718119114 >>718119323 >>718119507
>>718118706
We can't really tell if the GO was something Marika came up with after the greater will decided to fuck off or not. It'll be up in the air forever because you can bet your ass Miyazaki will never clarify what it was and its purpose.
Anonymous No.718119202 >>718119408
>>718118932
I see that but if you step back and look at those load bearing structures of faith they were built piecemeal over a long period of time thru a complex series of decisions and maneuvers. She kind of trapped herself within the faith and the beast's design before seeing it for what it was. We find her trussed up and being punished by her adversary in the final confrontation, the GO faith stopped working for her benefit a long time ago.
>>718119108
oh, it's roleplay. Gideon being wrong is the whole point to his character.
Anonymous No.718119249
>>718119108
to add, the only one of the two with good will is Radagon, who heavily deviates from Marika, the game goes out of its way to make sure never to give any good actions or motives to Marika in the entire game, no matter how far you dig.
Anonymous No.718119323
>>718119114
>We can't really tell if the GO was something Marika came up with after the greater will decided to fuck off or not.
She creates it after killing the Giants and subjugating the Fell Flame. She conquered the world at that point with her husbant and started her Golden Order. The beast wasn't an element to her designs at this point since Radagon isn't in the picture yet, everything is Marika's plan still.
Anonymous No.718119408 >>718119543 >>718119681
>>718119202
I don't think he's wrong, else his words would have zero meaning since you are literally at the doorstep to the final boss.

he says with his dying breath that your journey is a fools one, I don't think he means you can't physically become an Elden Lord, more that you cannot keep it, you can never "become" it, you can never actually kill Marika, and by that, her will, her intent.

by seizing the throne, you simply fulfill her Will, you cannot kill her plan by doing it, Marika is, from the onset, evil, and nothing in the game gives any evidence otherwise.
Anonymous No.718119507
>>718119114
The Greater Will seemed to have fucked off very early, after dropping off the Elden Beast and Metyr, it skedaddled.
The Golden Order is the name for Marika's metaphysical regime over the planet empowered by her control over the Elden Ring, which represents where the Greater Will marked its territory. Even if the GW is gone, the Earth is still its 'claim' and its representatives have influence over the laws of nature in that area.
The Golden Order came up way after the Greater Will left. Hell, Marika isn't even the first Goddess the Fingers chose. The Dragons before her had their own Lord and God system. And there were likely others between and even before the dragons.
Anonymous No.718119543 >>718119779
>>718119408
>else his words would have zero meaning since you are literally at the doorstep to the final boss.
The meaning is he is wrong. That is the irony in his huge diatribe. All those eyes and ears and he learned nothing because he never lived the experience.
Anonymous No.718119681 >>718119947
>>718119408
The God he's talking about is probably the Elden Beast even if he doesn't know what it specifically is.
Gideon realized a long time ago that the Fingers are frauds, but that there was some real power involved with the Elden Ring, regardless.
Otherwise, Gideon is meant to be a guy that schemed so hard that he screwed himself out of a chance to be Lord. He probably could have killed a few Demigods himself. He's a very powerful mage. But he didn't because he'd rather use agents and hitmen while hiding behind the safety of the Roundtable's spells.
That is why when you actually start to win, he lashes out bitterly. Its the same as the Crestfallen Warrior in DS1. There's no rationality to it. Just anger at seeing himself get passed by when he was holding onto his identity about being the genius that knew more than everyone else and was therefore the leader.
Anonymous No.718119779 >>718119916
>>718119543
still he basically exposits that Marika is a terrifying figure who wants nothing but ill will for all of living beings.

this is supported by LITERALLY everyone and everything Marika has interacted with before Gideon, nothing about his interpretation is off from all the other people and "peoples" Marika has terrified.

unless you have some nugget of info that paints Marika in a better light (hint, you don't) I can safely side with Gideon, Marika wants conflict, forever, she always has, and she was such a long term planner she made an entire religion to eventually use it to help facilitate her malice.

her revenge on the Hornsent was just the start, a smaller scale of her intent for everyone else, she seems that she wants that level of violent chaos forever, everywhere, all the time, and in most endings, she will likely get it.
Anonymous No.718119867 >>718119968
The tale of House Hoslow is told in blood
Anonymous No.718119916 >>718120015
>>718119779
He fails to really do anything with his exploitation though because he is working on a flawed paradigm. Look at his plan to try and steal our great runes with a gank, it fails because he and his cronies are bitchmade faggots and can't kill you the player. You the player experience the thrill of the fight while playing your rpg so you can easily kill some jobber npcs that think they can win at a might makes right game with beta philo.
Its whack thinking so they die like bitches. Memes aside, this is the true moral marika was trying to teach people. Go fight some fucking bears and become like gods yourselves.
Anonymous No.718119947 >>718120192
>>718119681
I don't think Gideon is jealous, you show clearly over your journey that you are on track to win, he shows absolutely no jealousy at all.

the only thing that changes him, is his chat with Marika, it breaks the man, he's terrified of her, and what she's said, and he didn't even attempt to snatch the Elden Ring.

all he does is immediately confront the person most likely to become Elden Lord, you.
Anonymous No.718119968
>>718119867
>The tale of House Hoslow is told in blood
>both of them die like retards
So it is, so it is
Anonymous No.718120015 >>718120227
>>718119916
yes, but the 2nd part of her plan beyond you getting strong, is that someone else is going to come along and kill you, and on and on.

she wants an infinite series of successions and oustings and wars, forever.
Anonymous No.718120117 >>718120309
FROM really wanted to make a proper RPG but ended up cutting everything down to be open world dark souls judging by the sheer amount of cut content
>all of vyke cut
>all of kale cut
>all of anisi cut
>crazy dream moonshine guy cut
>DLC is literally entirely made of cut content and has an amputee stump for an ending which also got cut
>whatever the fuck else got cut that we dont even know

what happened?
Anonymous No.718120192 >>718120334
>>718119947
He isn't jealous because he thinks you're going to fail.
Just like Vyke, Bernahl, and all the other Tarnished before you. You are one of many that fought hard and even managed to claim some Great Runes on the way. There are a lot of Demigod corpses around.
But he is a bitter man in the end. And at the end when he sees you having developed the potential to do something that should be impossible, killing a God, his attacks you over it because he couldn't accept that someone succeeded while he stayed still.
Marika isn't scrupulous about how she achieves her goal, but she does have one that isn't just 'blood for the blood god' stuff. She wanted her freedom back from the Golden Order that both gave her absolute power and then bound her to forces beyond her reach and strength. Marika is very similar to Ranni in terms of what she wants and her willingness to do whatever it takes to get it. Including turning her own family into participants in a global Battle Royale.
Anonymous No.718120227 >>718120431
>>718120015
There is a general track of knowledge the people at the top attained thru the various civs using the ring. By marika's reign she attained Perfect Order, the next tier of understanding under (you) could be something greater.
I think that is the gist of her sermon on the mount about become something or become sacrifices.
Dragons understood the physical animal kingdom of mundanity and her empires delved deep into spirituality and sought completeness, what comes next could be nirvana. The fight is worth fighting for, the distractions that waylay everyone are numerous and need to be laid out to warn the future.
Anonymous No.718120309
>>718120117
Every Souls game is like that.
These games are always Frankenstein products where an incoherent 120% of a game is cut apart and stitched together to make a semi-coherent 90% of a game for release.
Anonymous No.718120334 >>718120769
>>718120192
Marika doesn't want freedom, she set out from the start to punish the people who wronged her.

the scope however, is too broad, she is trying to punish all mankind.

and you WILL fail, Gideon is correct, you becoming Elden Lord and killing the Elden Beast is meaningless, someone WILL kill you, and someone will kill them, and more and more and more.

there's a reason the only video we have of a living Marika is her walking gingerly over hundreds of thousands of bloody corpses weaving the Elden Ring into being, it couldn't be more indicative of the world she wants visually.
Anonymous No.718120431 >>718120629
>>718120227
Nirvana, as it is, is already shown to you, use the Rune of Death and kill you soul and escape Samsara.

Godwyn's entire thing is a Buddha expy, if it weren't obvious enough.
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Anonymous No.718120486
>>718110674
The only contribution I believe Martin did was the LOATHSOME DUNG EATER
Anonymous No.718120629
>>718120431
I wasn't speaking so literally lol. The game's deepest messages about the self and how one should try to be in life is generally - do it yourself and don't accept outside influnce.
As is in the game the people living in the world have been subjugated by aliens because the people were primitive in thinking and easily lead around by the nose. If you play the game with interest you become a scholar on top of a warrior learning the lore about the characters and the world as you kill everyone.

The game is decidedly about mortals stepping out from under the yolk of alien gods, that is the prescribed "good" ending. The best life, nirvana in this sense, is one that is lived free.
>but thats scawwy
shut up and be a man.
Anonymous No.718120769 >>718121061
>>718120334
This really doesn't hold with what we know of Marika.
We know she originally tried to make a global utopia and then succeeded for some time before the Erdtree started to age and lose its virility (the Blessed Dew Talisman tells us this for example).
And we know that she had the sentimental nature to go back to her little hovel of a home village and cast a healing spell over it and leave a trinket of her hair by the village elder she left behind. Probably when she was abducted by the Hornsent.
Together these demonstrate that Marika really isn't some pure lover of violence for its own sake. She's just extremely low empathy when something interferes with her goals.
The Giants posed a threat to her new Erdtree. So she had them all killed and their flame sealed away. The Hornsent were champions of the Crucible and had tortured her people for centuries. So they were wiped out.
But this didn't just apply to enemies, but her own family. Messmer was sealed away because he was a potential danger to her tree. Mohg and Morgott being thrown in the sewers is basically just fantasy racism from her, so it doesn't have a point other than showing her trauma from the Hornsent.

The ability for the Lord to be killed and replaced is important, not as much to Marika as it is to her daughter Melina. Which is why she lets you get away with being a Dung Eater fanboy, because even if you curse the world, someone will eventually take your head and usher in a new era.
For Marika herself, this is partially relevant, but she really just wants you to kill the Elden Beast. That is as far as her Lord is necessary and she'd have preferred Godfrey over the player anyhow. Because she actually liked him.

For the bodies around her at her ascension, she probably slaughtered all the Hornsent that were spectating on her ritual where they were trying to make her into their Goddess.
And then she instead claimed that power for her own self. That being her 'betrayal' of them.
Anonymous No.718121061 >>718121484
>>718120769
brief and tiny bits of sentimentality doesn't paint her as a good person.

her actions on the world are all bad, the GO is itself, an evil oppressive religion, and the only good people can even put on her feet, is that people who worshiped her got to have it good for some time before it all got taken away.

the amount of "bad" she's done is staggering, even her message to her children is "KILL EACH OTHER" and nothing else.
Anonymous No.718121484
>>718121061
It is so pervasive that people wear golden ropes on their arms and legs to show themselves bound by gold like chains. It binds the life they walk and the actions they choose.
Anonymous No.718122138
>>718111658
Mesmer would be Rellana's nephew.
Anonymous No.718124043
The only child that shows actual love, not fear or just respect, to Marika is Messmer.