Thread 718116789

which demands higher mechanical dexterity?

>>718116789 (OP)
Lol League has harder micro dota has harder macro not saying dota micro isnt hard but league is just harder because of skill shots

also can someone explain to me why riot is adding wasd movement to a game without turn rate no point in using point and click

>>718116980
getting ready for the console port.

>>718117086
Lol riot is really thirsty for new players

>>718116789 (OP)
every patch skill from dota is removed and characters "balanced" into mediocrity. now it's all about overwhelming you with triviality disgused as complexity or skill. your choices have less and less impact every patch and the burden of trivial knowledge just keeps increasing. every sorta high skill hero is constantly nerfed because skilled players want to play a hero with a high ceiling, but it's unfair to retard losers who played 10k games but are stuck at 500mmr so the heroes have to lose their capability.

>>718117331
that's a whole lot of cope for being bad at the game.

>>718117331
lol hopefully you are playing kez then or puck who is meta ember is also meta invoker is also meta
so this is just cope

>>718117086
Wild rift is the console version

>>718117617
you are illiterate

>>718116980
WASD wont make it out of the test servers
How are you supposed to balance it for both control schemes when champs like Zeri exist

/v/ is a DotA board.

>>718116789 (OP)
Dota is just draftslop and theyll proudly tell you that it is

>>718117384
yeah i'm bad at the game that's why valve had to remove tinker from it cause retard pieces of shit like you are so good at it :^)

18 years the game had rearm item on tinker but useless trash requires it be removed cause you're so good. spectre needs to have mana on rift also after 20 years cause the dota player is so skilled at the game now.

every dota choice use to have so much impact adding attributes on anti-mage completely changed the meta. you get dozens of worthless choice involving .5% mana regen and +10 damage talent but they barely do anything impactful.

>>718116789 (OP)
Both are for brainlets. Heroes of newerth is only one that requires skill.

>>718118046
Lol are you playing any of the high skill heroes please name the ones you are playing

>>718118402
monetization killed that game, and the reboot isn't removing any of the goofy shit from it and it will fail twice.
but I did have a ton of fun playing it before dota 2 released.

>>718116789 (OP)
It's obviously Dota, doubly so when you consider heroes like Chen, Invoker and especially Meepo.

>>718118530
Yes they made many stupid decisions. But their game engine is just much more better than riot or valve. Feels too good to play i have over 20000 hours played.

>>718118421
hey retard how many more nerfs is arc arden gonna get?
>magnetic field no longer affects builds
>every patch reduces the duration of it
>lv 25 talent is 1.1 spark wraith activation delay
every patch takes power away and gives you less choices. the impact is just an illusion for retarded faggots without brains. even gacha slop has more real choice than dota in 2025.

>>718118786
The majority of Dota heroes are braindead easy, invoker or arc warden existing doesn't change that the majority of heroes are easy to pick up immediately. I played both and while nothing in league is as hard as the most difficult dota champs, individual skill during laning phase is significantly more important

>>718118165
Its a good point, the balance will be different for each champ

dota2 has creep deny

>>718116980
>Lol has higher micro
The only thing lol has is low cd low commitment one shots
>Dota micro isn't hard
Daily Reminder Shaco and Annie's summons barely work
Also meepo exists

>>718116980
>Lol League has harder micro
only LOL players say that.
It's true for skillshots, but Dota makes up for that with more active items and actual multiple unit controls. There are heroes and mechanics that will have you control 5+ units at a time. Then add 7 items with active effects...

Ask anyone who's actually played BOTH and they'll tell you Dota has higher level micro and macro.

>>718119495
Only dota players say this btw

>>718119720
>>718119495
>Daily Reminder BotRK got his active removed and now triggers without cd every 3 hits because adcs are mentally ill faggots

>>718118965
so you are mad that they made arc warden harder to play because of nerfs everyone gets them in dota you have to adapt crying over nerfs people just make up shit to get mad at dota 2 over

>>718119346
>>718119495
i think you are underselling league a bit here some of those league heroes are just as hard as meepo just not in the way you think

>>718122826
>Just as hard
Daily reminder having 1 weakness but 9 ways to negate said weakness is not being complex.
And Jhin is dogshit design

>>718122826
>heh if they make your hero weak and shitty it's a good thing! just let them remove fundamental aspects it's designed around turning it in a generic right clicking nuker because uhhh when your hero is trash that's skilful or something
now try doing tinker, faggot. the hero feels like total dog shit to play with item rearm removed and he got turned into a fucking support heal buff are you kidding me? lmao low iq retard. valve are hacks riding on legacy from 20 years ago and it's almost completed gone.

>>718122826
Mention a League Hero that doesn't devolve into
>Use all your shit in half a second on someone
>Autoattack them to death and dash to them 5 times in succession

>>718116789 (OP)
Dota has you controlling multiple units at once,
And league has no turn rate on movement, so the skill ceiling is higher for what you can pull off with an individual unit. Pretty debatable for which is harder at a high level

>>718123634
we can say the same thing with dota 2 its just the style of the game league is
i think a hero like syndra is just as hard as meepo

>>718123918
>So the skill ceiling is higher for what you can do with an individual unit
Hello, I would love if you could mention some high skill champs for comparison purposes

>>718123985
LMAOHAHAHAHAAH-
Oh fuck, sorry you caught me off guard!
>HAHA-
Did they rework syndra or is she just the
>Spam Q because manacosts are nonexisten in league
>Throw ball on top and then E
>Ult when most balls are out
?

Brownest thread on /v/ rn

>>718124139
Oh did the Deltarune thread die or smth?

>>718124005
There are heroes that get speed boosts on kills like Jinx that can be used to pull off some really crazy movement, or require to be positioned in certain ways to get maximum value from their skills like Draven or Vayne. Haven't played the game in close to a decade, but it's usually right clickers that have a high micro skill ceiling and also orbwalking in general

>>718124281
>literally walk faster after kills
>positioning
News break
Walking and positioning is the first thing you learn in mobas

Shit are you people still keeping this pointless feud going? I'm sure neither one of the games is getting many new players at this point.

>>718124281
Try having proper positioning with 5 characters at once and if 1 dies all 5 die
draven is childs play

only thing i need to know is pudge, stitches, devourer or blitzcrank? or arachne before they changed her ult?
the only thing that matters in these games is hooks.

>>718124428
I didn't say these things didn't exist in all mobas, but the lack of turn rate makes what you are able to accomplish with your movement a lot more broad.

>>718124139
>hundreds of porn and gacha threads daily where the only audience is browns
>this is fine
>a single thread about 2 of the most popular esports in history which only lights compete in
>this is not ok

>>718124748
>having free shit makes things more complex
Ah this is the mindset between champs like Illaoi and other dogshit
nevermind, no issue arguing with that
There are heroes with 0 turnrate and ways to reduce it, btw

Leaguechads won

>>718124139
Hey dota fans aren't brown they are russian. Well I guess they got the peruvians too.

>>718116789 (OP)
DOTA 2 was always the better DOTA clone forum drama or no, competent coder or no
>animation cancelling
>turning speed
>cast times
>hills
I have no idea why league was so successful other than it being easier to play, and taking a page from Blizzard with the character art being sexy. DOTA 2 swelled playercounts because of money but it is still slowly returning to a lonely autism community.

>>718124970
lol released first, was f2p when hon was b2p (if hon was f2p on launch lol would've flopped), they advertised heavily in korea which was the only country really doing esports at the time, with entire organization structures because of starcraft, and the rest of it was carried by twitch.

>>718124849
I am really just playing devil's advocate here, I dropped league for dota a very long time ago so I know what the potential for an individual unit in dota is, but as a general baseline league has more freedom of movement unless you are playing a hero that controls multiple units at once like meepo or arc warden, which didn't even exist in league when I played it

>>718124970
There was a moment where League was actually good
Sadly it was just the first 3 seasons

>>718125271
There still isn't any.
The most complex one is an Invoker lite
but since it's league he doesn't have mana problems, barely any CDs and just spams the objectively superior spell

>>718125327
And doesn't invoke units

Is it true league champs have no flexibility in their roles and that riot enforces lane metas?

>>718125506
if something gets popular for a role it was not intended for, they will nerf it.
like if offlane Drow became meta, they would nerf Drow until it was back to a pos1 only pick.

>>718118194
I miss the days when Leaguefags were laughed out of the room.

>>718125506
>>718125619
You literally get no gold if you swap lanes or do anything but 1 top 1 mid 2 bot 1 jg

>>718125327
"HWEI IS INVOKER!!!" is the dumbest thing Leaguefags dreamt up. He's nothing like Invoker. He's literally just artifical complexity.

>>718125815
he's just like Nidalee, Jayce, Elise.

>>718116789 (OP)
does it matter? sbmm ruined both

>>718126674
Debate is over

>>718124970
wc3 dota was the most popular esports/pvp game in the world back in 2008. dota was the complete opposite of lonely autism community since it was more commonly played in internet cafe with groups of friends

>>718123634
singed

>>718119346
Shaco's clone works just fine, watch Pinkward to see what you can do with it.
Annie's Bear is just a point and click stun, she's a brain dead legacy champ that wasn't made to be complicated. I'll admit Annie's case is weird considering Ivern has the exact same ult as hers yet he has more control with Daisy.

>>718128025
>Run around throwing people behind you
well you're right

>>718116789 (OP)
sexo with kindred

Why do dotards jerk off over creep denies when it makes wave management easy mode?

>>718129045
>Leaguefag so small brained he can't understand that denies exist within the greater web of Dota's laning mechanics like creep pulling and aggro pulling which gives it its complexity
I play both games and League's 'wave management' is a laugh compared to Dota's.

>>718125757
Can you elaborate on that? Do you not get gold for last hitting, or is it more than that? And how long does this last for, until a tower dies or what

>>718129837
New measurements from Riot for anyone who dares defy the meta
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQuT57H8CDI

>>718116789 (OP)
These two games are completely irrelevant now only being kept alive by oldschool diehard shitters that thought they could be the next faker or n0tail, the only time I hear about either is from some retarded drama or update vid that gets at most 100k views

>>718116789 (OP)
>both American games
>one being kept alive by Chinese and Koreans
>the other being kept alive by Eastern Europe and Russia

>>718116789 (OP)
league is much more fast paced and focused on hero vs hero while dota spends a lot more time on farming up to a critical point where it doesnt really matter how mechanically gifted you are

>>718130518
that's exactly why LoL takes less skill
there's literally no strategy to it
just oneshot opponent

Always gives me a chuckle when you see the astonished reactions of league players to faker using a few camera keybinds while playing. It's like entry level RTS control but because they're such tourist shitters it seems like black magic to them

i have hundreds of hours in both because of friends, though i never really got good.


ima be honest, I just miss wc3 custom maps. bye.

Having played some League long ago and a lot of Dota I've always thought of it like Dota having a hundred different things one can do and you can get by all the way to top 1% by only knowing 1. League has 10 things you can do but you need to be solid at several.
Dota works for me because I can make up for my dogwater mechanical skill with esoteric knowledge

>>718130586
And the "macros" are just f2 f3 f4 f5 by default

>>718130518
you'll still get stuff like games being decided on a single 0.1s manta dodge reaction

>>718130559
what constitutes as skill to you? burden of knowledge? there is no mechanical skill in strategy, that is a different thing entirely.

>>718130695
>Yasuo has is weak to ranged poke
>but he has 9 tools to negate this and 1 way to negate all projectiles in the game entirely
vs
>Your hero has a weakness
>The enemy will play around it and if you buy shit to eliminate it they'll exploit the next one
Which one takes more skill?

>>718130769
the first has active gameplay mechanical skill, the latter is burden of knowledge. You could argue that knowledge is a skill, but it is not mechanical, it is like knowing smoke line ups in CS from watching videos on youtube while the yasuo gameplay is like being able to aim well and headshot the enemy team.

>>718130650
NOOOO DON'T SPOIL IT THERE IS NO MECHANICAL SKILL IN DOTA YOU CAN"T DISJOINT SPELLS WITH ITEMS AND ABILITIES

Dota 2 but I guess league is “faster” but that’s not saying much considering the game is just spamming Q until it lands and then you go in. League just sucks as a game, but it’s fun I guess. Still not as good as Dota 2.

>>718130897
>his shield is passive, actives on damage taken, negates it automatically and is recharged by 3 different ways, one of them is walking
vs
>having to play around the weaknesses
lol

>>718130897
holy cope.

>>718124743
pudge
only guy save teammates with hook

>>718130938
yasuos shield is also completely dogshit and absorbs less than an auto attack and lasts for a single second.
>>718130968
playing the game is mechanical skill. knowing the game is not mechanical skill. It is something else entirely.

>>718131007
So actually mention how playing League is harder than Playing dota

>>718131103
the lack of movement tech makes it mechanically harder.

>>718130935
This
Heroes like Rubick, clockwerk, IO, natures prophet, and items like forcestaff and blink dagger and how the trees work and varied terrian make DoTA2 games way more fucking fun, even if I'm losing I'm still having a good time being a little shit telekenising people or trapping them in cogs
League no matter if I'm winning or losing it feels like complete shit to play and I rarely have a good time

>>718131138
0/10 didn't even try
Positioning doesn't even matter in League

>>718131103
Im just responding to the guy asking about mechanical skill. Regardless of which game you think is harder, the words mean the same. Strategy is not mechanical skill, it is preparation. It is the polar opposite of mechanical, its premeditated.

>>718131173
Lol thats a crazy thing to even say

Lol i always gotta ask why do i rarely see dota 2 players do well in league but league players do well in dota dendi is currently getting filtered by league mason has to duo queue to even win games in the game

>>718131173
I'm still surprised League never introduced proper fog of war with elevation change and destructable terrian in the form of trees, and having bushes that make you invisible feels tacky as hell with the only counterplay being warding

>>718117331
Pretty much.
I fell off when they added skill trees and buttfucked Techies. Saw the way the wind was blowing. Techies isn't a character I ever played much, but seeing what they did to them told me everything I needed to know about where Dota was going.

>>718131238
>They literally erased old Urgot so ADC can walk in the front without getting ulted into the enemy team

>>718131292
Huh? Everytime I see lol players play dota they always have an anneurism over unit turn rates and denying and missing attacks when shooting uphill.

>>718131292
What do you mean lol players do good in dota? Low immortal vs high immortal is night and day. Low immortals aren't even close to the top 2k in dota, and the top 2k get shat on by the top 500 who get shat on by the top 150.

I want a game like Dota or League but where I can be a shitter noob just discovering things and experimenting with other players doing the same again. Most fun I had in Dota was when I'd see something entirely new to me every match played or video watched. Should've jumped on the Deadlock train before it fizzled out there's probably only tryhard meta masters left now

>>718129384
I understand why but I'm still sad that they removed a bunch of ways to deny allies

>>718117331
cope harder, every update optimizes the gameplay for the better - Phantom finally stopped being the 0-IQ-0-skill-casual-3k-crit-dealer, and only skilled players can handle an actual glass cannon.
>>718116789 (OP)
What the hit is "mechanical dexterity"? Are you talking about moving more than one hero? Broodmother & Chaos Knight play an RTS, not a MOBA, so does the Druid, Enigma, Meepo ... even tho who needs that - Juggernaut is just one but I'm having a hard time controlling him properly ;__; lv6 and I still have no idea how to play the fucker

>>718131292
League players struggle to use the courier effectivley thougheverbeit

>>718116789 (OP)
Did we really need Yasuo but a gay nigger? Wasn't unironically Yone literally Yasuo enough?

>>718131338
>>718117331
What they did to Techies is fucking disgusting
>CHAMP MADE YOU PLAY AROUND HIM
Yeah so does a fucking Bristleback and a PA what's the main difference?
That Dota players hate to buy fucking magic resist?

>>718131478
That was dota back in 2011-2015
I've won games just by spamming clarities on disruptor and pressuring offlaners kek

>playing Wraith King pos 1
>decent lane, but the two other lanes go incredibly well too
>pushing very quickly
>already have relic because I was farming Radiance
>fuck it, we're pushing early
>rapier, queue shard and bkb
>mid proceeds to have a 10 minute continuous melty and begging for reports as I get a 12 kill streak and end the game
Imagine being so joyless in your life.

>>718130518
not even close to reality, every clash, every minute counts - you can lose a game because of the first 5-10 minutes, you can win after two good teamfights, you can snatch a win from the jaws of defeat & you can lose a sure thing because the enemy found their balls.

Dota is superior in every way, and it's not even close.

>>718131614
are you low rank? probably around legend?

>>718131292
That's because DoTA doesn't have
>dragon
>grubs
>rift herald
>baron
>tower plates
>milestones
>dragon soul
>jungle buffs
and a million other snowballing mechanics that are kept by individual champions that make games end in 10 minutes and leads everyone to FF at 15
DoTA is the better game solely because you aren't getting your shit pushed in because your jungler is a colossal retard that doesn't know how to play around dragon soul

>>718131708
>are you low rank?
Of course, that's where the fun is.

>>718131478
deadlock is still going to be changed so drastically before launch that it doesn't really matter. I put ~200 hours in every time there's a major update and it's fun every time.
the only people playing the game 18 hours a day are failed overwatch pros thinking they can establish themselves in the scene early, but they're in for a rude awakening when the game launches.

>>718131792
that's where people freak out and bitch and moan all game and throw tantrums instead of letting you cook. it's fucking miserable down there.

League is more formulaic
Dota has more chaos going on

>>718116789 (OP)
league is dominated by koreans who moved on from broodwar
dota is dominated by russians who moved on from vodka

>>718131592
>ES and KoTL blocking all waves into trees
>enemy didn't understand what was happening
>unleash five waves at once and run down two towers
Man being a shitter was fun back then. Felt like a pro for just buying one (1) ward and stacking/pulling

>>718131671
thought you were describing league there for a good minute senpai. the moba where games can actually end before 30 minutes

>>718131850
the infamous chaotic "lets just passively farm for 10 minutes because the other team is slightly ahead" late midgame

>>718132090
He couldn't be describing League because as long as you're ahead it's impossible to lose without collective brain damage

>>718116789 (OP)
They are multiplier games, so difficulty lies in beating the other guy. LoL has way less things to do, so LoL players focus on those things much more because that's the only way to express your skill, whereas in Dota you have infinite things to do so you can afford to be bad at many things if you have strong sides elsewhere. Think of it as MMA vs thumb wrestling.
This is why soulless chinks love League, they enjoy autistically grinding a thing so they are 0.01% more efficient at it than other soulless chink.

>>718132168
>not warding your jungle and looking out for picks so you can turn the fight into a 4v5
It's the exact same in League you fucking retard, hell at least in DoTA you have a chance if you play well and strategically and find your lead to get back into the game, in League if the enemies ahead they'll just grab Baron and/or ancient dragon and rape your ass

>>718132171
I miss when this was true actually. Early seasons were so much more fun. Now they have a thousand whacky "turn the tides" mechanics to make sure that a game never snowballs out of reach

>>718132273
>It's the exact same in League you fucking retard
no it isnt because you have significant objectives on the map that you cant ignore, as opposed to dota which only has roshan which is just a baron equivalent.

>>718132364
>baron equivalent
They aren't the same in the slightest, baron gives you a team-wide buff that greatly increases your pushing power, Roshan gives you a free revive and a full heal use item, both needing to take up an item space
I will admit League does have more impactful map objectives, but they built the game far too heavily around them making it feel samey and formulaic

>>718132437
they serve the same function as a late game objective that helps you push to finish the game. In that, they are very similar and this is obviously on purpose, these two are not independently thought up.

>>718131292
maybe youre talking about pros, but every time i tried to get a league friend to play dota they literally spaz out about the turn rate and refuse to play

>>718132512
>late game objective that helps you push to finish the game

only thing Rosh does is bait your team into hg wipe that lets enemy comeback

>>718132604
ironically, exactly what baron does at least 8/10 times. Its been the bane of NA in particular over the years.

>>718116789 (OP)
I used to play Wraith King in Dota 2 before all the sweeping changes. I was just a casual player then. Looking at them now, it's crazy to see how much added-on bits heroes have now. Innates, aspects, that sort of thing. If Valve ever makes a Dota 3 they have a chance to make a better solution to this bloat.

>>718130124
This right here shuts down any Leaguefag argument. So fucking baffling. You MUST play the way Riot dictates or they will literally flash giant words across the screen screaming at you and insta kill you.

dota 2 has customs which give me the nostalgia of wc3

>>718132765
deadlock is going to be the same way

>>718117086
>>718117623
They canned the WR console port, which begs the question what the fuck was the point of WR in the first place. Too late to compete in China/Korea on mobile against Mobile Legends Bang Bang, and no one in the West is playing a MOBA on phone.

>>718134018
Riot is dying
they killed Runeterra
Valorant is not relevant
MMORPG is in dev hell
the fighting game looks weak

prove you play any of these and post your last match

>>718134070
>>718134018
And Hytale is dead

>>718132364
>>718132214
Remember when in LoL they tried to have more item build variety...
by literally LIMITING THE ITEMS YOU COULD BUY AND BALANCING THE GAME AROUND BUILDING VERY SPECIFIC ITEMS ON EACH CHAMP?
Lol

>>718132364
>>718132437
>Baron
>Tormentor
>Runes
>Exp Shrines
>Lotus
>Watchers
Previously
>EXP Runes
>Fountains
>Shrines

>>718116789 (OP)
Never understood why they still have LC at the front of the Steam art still. She isn't particularly relevant or popular. Or even black.

>>718134070
lol thats why them putting it on console might be for the best it really has no competition on those platforms

>>718134208
No one is 5v5 fighting for the enemy tormentor. All the League objectives are big fights, or trading 1 for 1. Watchers could be removed tomorrow and nothing would change.

>>718134390
Its competing with other F2P games, and no one is leaving Fortnite or Warzone for a MOBA.

>>718134652
>Removing free vision
Damn it's almost like League has never had an issue with infintie wards
Or pink wards
now they got sweepers so the issue is the opposite
no vision at all and whatever it is is easy to remove

>>718134652
There is only one tormentor now actually

>>718134803
Except with the map getting larger and the existence of Smoke, watchers aren't that impactful as a map objective. Same as Lotus. Its nice to have/get but you aren't making a 3-4 person movement to the enemy side of the map to get only watchers. Enemy jungle camp stacks are way more impactful. The problem with League is all the objectives are pretty strong, and thus your game structure isn't player driven but Riot/timer driven. You aren't making a risky play 30-60 seconds before Dragon is up if enemy is on 3, hell if the jungler dies its usually just over contesting because in League they just make it a last hit thing and its just lame as fuck.

>>718134262
>She isn't particularly relevant or popular

She is the 6th most popular hero right now

>>718134262
Lol lc is clearly a light skin black women

>>718135201
>Pudge, Lion and Axe that high
It's like I'm looking at 2015

>>718137124
Landing hooks is still as fun as it ever was

>>718135201
>right now
Because she's busted OP bullshit anon, that's why. PA is in the gutter and went from consistent top 10 to the 30s because she got nerfed to shit, is she less popular?

>>718135825
Too much red tone in her skin to be black imo.
We need an advanced racist to pinpoint the exact phenotype.

>>718137419
something must be wrong with my eyes because she looks like a black women to me

Is league worth trying for fun? Jerking it to Yordles for so long has made me want to give it a go casually.

>>718137419
Looks Amhara or Tigrayan to me.

>>718137806
Not really, I've been playing it for years and even now I'm wondering if it's even worth it to hop back on and scratch that league itch. There is just too much bullshit that you HAVE to learn to deal with and with like 100+ champions, a new player is just going to spend his time getting incredibly frustrated and getting flamed over and over again for feeding.
2015 was the last year you could enjoy league as a brand new player.
Oh and if you still want to try out the game, just remember that you have to allow a chink anti-cheat to run all the time in the background, even when you're not playing. If you close it at any point or don't allow it to boot when you start up your PC, you won't be able to launch the game until you restart your computer.

>>718137806
>still expecting you to PAY for characters in 2025
Lmao don't bother.
>but you don't NEED the-
Shut the fuck up.

>>718138231
>Being so shit at the game you can't even earn boxes
lol lmao

>>718138404
100 yuan have been deposited to your account

>>718137806
Played it on and off since 2015 really getting into it at 2018 when the rune rework came around and what killed it for me was Riot vanguard permanently cucking me out of playing the game for no reason.
Even then it's not worth it, game is shit desu.

>>718137806
if you have a buddha-like ability to remain calm and have fun, maybe

>dota having a consistent player count of 700k for over 6 years
How many are bots?

>>718118421
Lich

>>718137806
absolutely not worth in the current year, and every new champ is a brown woman. They don't release Yordle champs anymore because they don't appeal ot chinese player nor do they add DEI points

>>718119043
>individual skill during laning phase is significantly more important
League will always be less complex than DotA in that respect because there's no denies in League.

>>718140991
Few since there are not a lot of reasons for them to exist

>>718137357
She can't be that strong if she is never picked in pro games

why do dota plays have such an inferiority complex
>inb4 "ummm they just STOLE everything from dota and le FORUMS"
your entire game is literally just warcraft

Can you learn to play mobas if you never played them as a kid? Serious question.

>>718141274
yea. dota should absolutely be played with friends, it's too complicated otherwise, they need to tell you what to do. league too sort of but you can get away with playing it solo. they're fun but i wouldn't bother unless you're looking for a game that requires a deep amount of investment for a beautiful end result of maximum skill expression

>>718137806
My friend plays so I reinstalled after getting banned because Chinese reported me for “feeding”
Then my friend raged because we lost a game then lost ten games in a row by myself. So I queue solo and win most of my games with alcohol, but I usually win 2-0 and quit or go like 2-1, I usually don’t play for more than two hours because I have work and also the longer you play the greater chance of getting these weird game throwing bots who cause an instant loss. It’s not a fun game.DOTO is better

>>718141274
Kinda but its going to be extremely rough. I started learning league 4-5 months ago and I'm still a bronze shitter. Don't expect to climb quickly unless you go jungler since you're literally the main character.
My biggest issue is that there's ZERO beginner que for the first 30 account levels, how the fuck are you supposed to learn shit when you get put with account level 500 faggot who's played since 2018 and picks meta champs every single time.
Whatever you do never go toplane cuz you're irrelevant 90% of the time

>>718131154
Clockwork is so based. I try blitzcrank and land a hook and my lane “teammate” just stands there in awe for the first two seconds while the enemy always has a perfectly constructed 2v1 damage rotation going
League players need to poke more but they soft int all the time

>>718141351
>>718141662
Thanks, i will not think of trying dota for a while more

League and Dota are the same shit. People that try to fight this war over which one is better always have to latch onto the stupidest little irrelevant details and act like they're the most important mechanic ever. Turn rates don't fucking matter. Creep denying doesn't fucking matter. Item actives don't fucking matter. Flash doesn't fucking matter. You don't play League vs Dota. You play league or Dota, and each game is built around its own stupid mechanics so it doesn't fucking matter that it's different in the other game. It's all the same shit. If you get used to one, the other will feel gay and retarded. That's all there is to it.

>>718116980
>Lol League has harder micro
>The game where you are only allowed to control 1 unit
Kek

>>718142285
Denying matters because it makes the enemy mad and want to charge you
I’ve triggered so many stupid chinks and russkies into fights where they take creep damage and eat a full stun because they got mad over a deny. League doesn’t have that and the game becomes who has the more OP Q spammer.