Thread 718121202

>Agility stat
>it's worthless

>>718121202 (OP)
The only stat that matters in Nocturne is Strength

>>718121202 (OP)
>luck
Max it out

>>718121202 (OP)
>>718121454
Always bet on luck

>>718121202 (OP)
for me its being a wizard

>game doesn't explain what Luck does
>it either peaks extremely early with increasingly diminishing returns, is glitched or simply does nothing
Yep. That's how you know a game is kino.

>>718122440
Name 5 games

>>718121202 (OP)
>Agility stat maxed
>character auto dodges all physical and line of sight magic attacks 100% of the time

>>718122440
>is glitched or simply does nothing
WHAT were they THINKING?

>Agility does not increase speed
>instead it increases "hit chance" or some shit like that
>characters with low agility rating can still land hits just fine

every time

>>718122440
Agility is strong early game but Haste is better later on

>>718122589
>max agility is a 10% hit chance increase over 0 agility

>>718122469
Castlevania
Castlevania 2
Castlevania 3
Castlevania 4
Castlevania 5

>>718121202 (OP)
>no mustache stat

>>718123607
>that one dude who put all his points into Neck and refused to explain his reasoning

>>718121202 (OP)
Just dump every point you get into str
SMT games are balanced like shit and str is always the strongest

>>718122440
>Strength description: "Affects physical damage dealt by the player and their defense."
>Magic description: "Affects magic power dealt by spells and magic defense, also enhances alchemy ability."
>Luck description: "Luck affects everything :) "
>Go onto wiki
>"Luck affects critical hit chance."
Why does every fucking RPG do this.

>>718123976
b-but ur drop rates ;^)

>>718122440
>game has LUK
>affects inconsequential niche parts of the game and doesn't work on things that actually matter
Fuck konami and fuck soma cruz

>>718124124
>>718123976
What SHOULD it affect?

I'm gonna make a game that has a stat called "Shumblo", not tell you what it does, and then have it RNG generate a different stat it affects for each different copy of the game.

>>718122440
>luck only affects one very specific thing in the game, and also increases your crit chance by 0.01%

>>718124253
Success in the in-game casino

>>718124253
its impossible to balance just like charisma, either broken or dogshit, so make it a meme stat

>>718121202 (OP)
My favourite is when the effects of stats are so miniscule, that there's actually zero reason to invest in them, but the game never tells you this.

>>718124253
Crits
Chance that an item is dropped at all, while also increasing the % of rare drops specifically
More money drops
Random events end with positive outcomes (think SMT demon recruiting for example)
Chance of enemies messing up and tripping, which skips their turn and/or they hurt themselves

Any combination of the above

>Game has weapons that scale off of different stats
>Weapons that scale off ATK are the weakest since ATK doesn't affect anything else

>>718122501
Only in Persona 1.

>>718124253
It should give you higher rolls on anything that uses high-low calculations instead of fixed numbers. If your knife weapon does 5-10 damage on hit instead of just flat 8 damage, then high luck will skew your results more towards 10 than 5. That way a high luck character can be used with weapons that have high variable damage ranges, like say a precise needle weapon that has a damage value of 2-20 per hit.

>>718124783
>Game has weapons that scale off of different stats
>Weapons that scale off of ATK are the weakest since ATK affects everything, allowing every other weapon to double-dip in increased damage

nothing will ever beat the absolute redundancy of the strength stat in SMT 4 for me. strength for those who don't know increases your basic bitch melee attack; and NOTHING ELSE. all the skills that deal physical damage instead scale with dexterity. the real kicker is that once you gain access to tokyo you gain access to guns, which also have a basic attack that scales with dexterity. guns also have the benefit of being able to swap ammunition for elemental or status effects. peircing skills also scale with dex. really no reason at all to use strength lmao.

>>718125202
I just started SMT4 recently, just reached tokyo
I've been putting all my points into LUK because I saw a funny screenshot on here where someone maxed it out, how viable even is it? Haven't had trouble so far

>>718125317
LUK in my experience isn't too bad all things considered because you can go for a crit build with dex skills with it, and it can make negotiations easier. I made an agility/LUK heavy flynn and he was able to clear the game without much trouble. 4 and 4a are the only megami tensei games I can think of where investing in luck gives you tangible returns

>>718125202
I don't think I've seen many games where the DEX stat wasn't borderline overpowered because of how much shit scales off of it.

>>718121202 (OP)
If your party isn’t all STRchads, you don’t know shit about video games

>>718125202
Wow you mean to tell me that guns are better than swords????

>>718125923
Ayo dis nigga brought guns to a contracted mythological creatures from cultures all around the world fight!!

>>718125317
Think of Luck in SMTIV like a Charisma stat, because it makes negotiation easier. It has a lot of other effects like Smirk rate. If you're going hard into Luck, you should also go hard on spending your App Points on recruitment and fusion skills. Even if you completely fuck up Flynn's build, there's nothing you can't accomplish with the insanely overpowered demons you'll be able to create.

>>718121202 (OP)
No reason to raise anything higher than 30.
One agility every 5th level
Luck is useless
Magic has a stronger first half, Phys has a stronger second half. But you'll probably end up soft capping all them by the TDE anyway.

>>718121202 (OP)
>Game makes you think dual wielding is superior
>Enter endgame and you obtain passives that allow you to out DPS dual wield builds with just a single weapon

How many stat points do I get in total anyway? I see this and I just want everything full.

>>718124253
Status Ailments like in etrian

>>718123607
A fate worse than death.

>>718129256
How did they peak so hard with this

>>718121202 (OP)
>Agility stat
>Its broken

>>718121264
That's smt games in general

>Luck increases drop chance
>But only for generic trash. Rare drops are a fixed 0.1%.

Name the game.

>>718131914
My game
Get fricked, idiot

>>718124253
Best I've seen is it being the "status" stat.
Rate of application, rate of evasion, and rate of recovery if it's one that doesn't last a set duration. Makes it a stat with meaningful application once you put points into it.
Crits CAN work, but crits in general tend to be a crapshoot. Either getting 1% crit is utterly irrelevant, and crits only matter once you start closing in on 100%, or crits have to be so impactful they're worth only getting sometimes.
Drop rates are shit, because this encourages making .01% drop rates from this one fucker in the sewer that there's only two of in the game bullshit in your game, instead of set drops of things where they belong.
It's not explained properly, but how it works in Oblivion, that being an invisible buff to all your skills, that is handy early, but falls off once you start capping skills is neat. That, done a bit better, could be cool, where Luck is the early game powerhouse stat, that hits walls endgame.

>>718121202 (OP)
>>718131445
>If you get your agility stat high enough you practically stop time as you take ten thousand turns for every single turn an enemy takes.
Looking at you, roguelikes.

>>718128771
Unlimited.
You can still level up once you hit max level.
Damage calc and shit also include your level.
Some of the magatama you can switch between also sometimes give you a free point in a stat depending which magatama you have on.
Also the final magatama gives you +10 in every stat, except for lck.

>>718134393
>Damage calc and shit also include your level.
Bear in mind
Level is a good stat for physical.
Level is a bad stat for magic.

>>718124761
I don't think people will appreciate a "make the game harder but save time when looking for gear" stat

>>718124848

Agility in Xenoblade 1 affects your hit chance and evade chance. It's mandatory when fighting higher level enemies and stacking enough of it can make you almost immortal. Player controlled Melia kinda breaks the game since she can supply massive agility buff.

>strength/power
>defense/vitality/constitution
>magic or some secondary attack type
>agility/speed/dexterity
This is all you need. Anything else is bloat

>Agility
>Determines how often you hit and how often enemies hit you
>except endgame enemies all have Almighty skills which cannot miss
I have no idea why this is still a thing in Megaten games. They literally have to create cheat abilities like Ali Dance or the royal thief passive in Metaphor to get around it.

>>718137895
Four is too much. All you need
>Health
>Stamina
>Magic

>Special Attack is modified by Agility!
>But because the way to game's damage calculation works Strength affects it more

>>718137703
>Player controlled Melia kinda breaks the game since she can supply massive agility buff.
You rarely need to do that when you can just abuse stacking damage multipliers on her DoTs with ice and earth/poison magic.

>Strength
Physical damage multiplier
>Magic
Magical damage multiplier
>Defense
Physical damage mitigation
>Magic Defense
Magical damage mitigation
>Agility
Inherent dodge rate if turn based, enhances movement speed if real time
>Hit
Enhances base accuracy. Weapon types have different hit rates inherently.
>Luck
Luck determines your critical hit rate and occasionally prevents damage/death/status effects.

That's all you need.

>>718138107
without defense you can't put stronger enemies in the world to wall the player until they level up or upgrade their gear
without speed you can't affect the turn order and/or move and attack speed
you should reconsider

>>718122469
for one I played smt3 no idea what luck did other then no backstabs

>>718121264
In metaphor refantazio agility and luck are the strongest since every enemy has soul scream to grant themselves infinite fucking turns. Dodging attacks makes them lose turns and also keeps you from getting 1 shot

>>718138819
>relying on chance to survive
Nah fuck that, use classes that can completely negate single attacks which will also make them lose turns.

>>718125202
>strength for those who don't know increases your basic bitch melee attack; and NOTHING ELSE
This myth has been repeated so many times people take it as truth. That's not how strength work it's just half as effective as dex when it comes to scaling phys and dex moves, so dex is still strictly superior.

>>718124253
Penis size

>>718137281
Thief mode was by far my favorite mode in Circle of the Moon.

>>718138934
Not really chance kek, You can build your character to the point where its nearly impossible to hit him. unless an enemy debuffed your ability, which is actually another cool thing about metaphor. I think its possible to beat the game at character level 1 due to how broken buffs are. If an enemy or ally gets a three stack off you're as weak as a level 1, it's insane how buffs stack not one but three times

what should luck boost
stats when you lv up
crit chance/dog
crit dmg boost
item finding
really what do you go I want that in my luck stat

>>718138595
Nah, those three attributes are all that should be core to the character. Anything else is a variable that exists within its own sub-system, influenced by the core system.
This is in a theoretical turn based system where action economy and turn order is influenced by the Stamina system, not in the context of any existing game's systems.
>Health
correlates to greater defense. If healing were largely percentage-based, higher health gets a direct correlation to greater tankiness.
>Stamina
would be a resource that gradually recovers and is consumed to perform Skills that don't fall under magic, and to perform multiple actions in a single turn.
More stamina would ultimately correlate to more "speed" via more actions. You can deliberately consume some or all Stamina on one's turn to influence when they are able to act again.
>Magic
improves both the effectiveness and capacity for magic. Magic/Special Abilities hit harder and you can cast more, simple as.

"Power" would be determined by the weapons equipped and the inherit power of the Skills used.
"Defense" value is strictly in the realm of armor worn and any skills or buffs applied.
"Speed" wouldn't be an attribute of the creature, but a relative variable of the actions it is capable of taking.
Anything like hit chance should be fixed, only changing under the conditions of using certain skills or buffs.

>>718139668
How about a god/monster summoning mechanic like noctis from final fantasy. When your hp is low or things arent going in your favor theres a chance of divine intervention

>>718139824
shouldn't that be like a skill tied to magic

>>718139858
Its an instant win condition, be kinda op if you could press a button and 1 shot everything.

>>718124465
>That one thing is required for the best weapon in the game and the true ending.

>>718123119
Tombstone vice is balanced? That's new.

>>718121202 (OP)
>All stats work correctly and can be built around

>>718139985
so why not just tie it to you need 20 magic 15 luck something like that

>>718138536
I've always wondered if there was an actual word that could be used for "Magic Defense." There's Attack, Defense, Magic, but then "Magic Defense." You either write out Physical Attack, Physical Defense, and Magic Attack to go along with it, or leave it (and usually Magic Attack) as two words. "Resistance" might have worked but it has better applications such as elemental or status resistances. Is there an applicable singular word that can be used for "Magic Defense" in context?

>>718121264
VIT*

Vit is by far the best stat in Nocturne and has the best scaling for weapon attacks while still increasing your max HP. STR is kind of a useless stat in Nocturne too, the primary modifier for Nocturne physical skills is Level since it goes up to 99 while STR only goes up to 40, best practice is actually to ignore STR until late game even on a STR build.

>>718125317
Random encounters will never be a problem, and bosses are basically impossible to inflict on when it matters. You can reliably generate turns with crits but you could also be a MAG Flynn and do way more damage.

>>718122440
My favorite Luck stat is when it just does a little bit of everything, like Morrowind/Oblivion did.
I want luck to fudge the numbers all over, to raise my accuracy from 80% to 85%, to raise the drop chance of an item I want from 0.1% to 0.2%, I want my crit chance to go from 5% to 7%, etc.
I remember some game doing that to some extreme, like it affects pretty much every instance of RNG, but I'm blanking on it right now. (New Vegas, kinda.)

>>718124124
>Castlevania luck
>supposed to increase drop/soul chances
>ends up being some shit like "at 9999999 cheated luck, the chance of this soul dropping goes from 0.001% to 0.0010231%

>>718125480
DEX in Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup isn't very domineering. Most builds want to stack STR or DEX or INT, or INT and STR or DEX.

>>718140556
"Willpower" gets used sometimes, and I've also seen Mind get used a few times.
Pretty sure there was a game that used Endurance as the magic res stat too, but don't quote me on that.

>game has like 5 stats
>7 party members to juggle stats and roles
Looking at the person games, I’ve got no idea how they try to fit so many people into the cast

>>718141113
That one's simple. It's to make sure there's someone of either sex to fill a specific niche so a party consisting of all one gender can still have relatively balanced roles. That way players are free to choose their favorites (i.e. fill it with their desired sex) without being too limited gameplay-wise.

>>718125202
4 is so easy you can beat it with a pure STR Flynn who never uses skills just attack. I've done it, it was only marginally more challenging than playing with dex and instagibbing everything. Everything in 4 is made of paper.

>>718121264
What good is strength if you can't survive a few hits

>>718121202 (OP)
>spam fog breath
>win
Heh... sorry demons your accuracy is just too low

>>718141525
what's the point of armor in games? just don't get hit lmao

>>718124946
isn't that precisely what dexterity would be for? :I

>>718141451
because your other healslut teammate can restore you fully

>>718141584
so you can say
>why you do this I feel no pain

>>718141525
HP is usually one of the best stats.

>>718141682
If you can't survive getting hit 1-3 times in a row then your build is garbage

>>718138819
It's only actually singularly OP for Heismay, on everyone else you just use the party-wide evasion buffs if you want to abuse dodging, Strength is still king since so many of the hardest hitting skills (especially some skills completely exclusive to the MC) use it

>>718141947
STR or MAG, doesn't really matter. You can blast all the post-game bosses other than the giga Dragon in 1-2 turns.

>>718141947
>>718141998
Damage in Metaphor is based on Weapon Attack as the primary modifier. STR/MAG is just a trim.

>>718125202
>>718121202 (OP)
Technically, Swords and melee in general should scale from agility.

>>718124253
it should give you a chance of instantly dying

>>718141998
Still Strength, as i said some of the hardest hitting skills exclusive to the MC (who is the only one who gets to choose his skill point investment) are STR-scaling Phys moves. ALSO abusing the Merchant line's gold attacks is also strength-dependent

>>718124253
Increase the chances of anything probability based. So basically anything that isn't something like armor. Dodge, crit, damage ranges, skill check success rates, drop chance, fucking everything.

>>718122440
Luck in FFX overrides 3 other skills (defence, accuracy, evasion)

>>718142126
It truly does not matter. I did a run with no Royal Archetypes. My MC one shot all the post-game bosses as an Elemental Master on Regicide. Equip the right gear and use the right skills and it's simple.

>>718142173
And I might as well pre-empt this, but I save edited it so it was on NG, or it wouldn't be a relevant point of data, obviously.

>>718142173
Alright but we are discussing the "god stat" here in this thread and it's definitely Strength, even if by the slimmest margins. As another anon said, weapon power is king but that's an extremely linearly vertical system compared to (ostensibly, at least) stat distribution.

>>718141525
God, 3D arpgs are such a meme
>every character starts with 1000% base HP because of the mandatory stack of healing potions
>dumping stats into constitution brings this up to 1010% base HP
>the game provides you with a bunch of powerful armors that have 0 con requirements because something something build options something

>>718140419
SMTV has it's own share of stat fuckery. Especially their dumbass crit formulas that depend heavily on stat difference between you and the enemy making any non-guaranteed crit builds incredibly unreliable.
Also even when stats work correctly skill balance can make it redundant. Because technically you can build around anything, but in reality the only skills that are worth building around are str-based figment slash, murakumo, paraselene blur.

>>718142282
Having done both, the physical one on Hard, I couldn't really tell you which one was easier, the Regicide playthrough still wasn't particularly hard because I knew the game well. I think the game's easy either way. Even goes for party members. Strohl can kick ass. So can Junah or Eupha.

>>718142413
STR is generally always reliable and easy to use but the others all work really well. And actually VIT is the best stat in V because it has a better scaling you can become an immortal support god with VITmaxing.

>>718142564
Yeah, VIT does look like the best stat if you want to fuck around in Godborn. I meant to but I didn't have it in me to play the game that much after playing base SMTV a lot. Maybe in some time.

>>718131445
Fallout just follows the true RPG ethos of the DEX stand-in attribute always being objectively the best one

>>718125202
Technically, that make sense. You don't need a ton of strength to fight with a sword.

>>718141947
>especially some skills completely exclusive to the MC
Those endgame MC skills actually scale on whatever is higher between mag and str

>>718141113
>Looking at the person games, I’ve got no idea how they try to fit so many people into the cast
4 girls, 4 boys so you can have a party that you like.

The stats in pokemon are a joke. Just use moves that look cool and do damage

>>718142784
The game does kinda push you to run a Physical guy party with Heismay, Basilio, Strohl and MC or a Magic-y party with Junah, Eupha, MC and +1 but the parties are more flexible than that really, Heismay is the best Phys support and Junah is the best Magic support, pair with appropriate MC then go to town with the rest.

>>718141113
Because MC is so powerful in persona games you can effectively solo all the games, all your party members are supports. If your party members are stronger than MC you've really fucked up the demon fusions.

>>718142946
Junah is actually the best physical support because she gets masquerade charge. You can't beat a full party charge that you can spam every turn

>>718123836
not in IV

>>718125317
just keep in mind it goes beyond 99

>>718142701
Actually, the best Attribute in Fallout is LUCK.

>>718143664
Junah is the best enabler in general. Masquerade Charge and elemental weakness implant. Its just that you can cook charge/concentrate whenever you want.
>>718142413
>Listing Murakumo as a skill worth building for and ignoring Heavenly Ikuyumi for Mag

>>718142282
There's only one build for the MC in Metaphor and its 2 Str/2 Mag/1 Luck. Vit scales terribly and Agility scales poorly outside of turn order.

Weapons are king, magic scales harder than strength on a point basis due to break points but strength pulls it back later on ever so slightly in its favor because spells have to use weakness implants while phys gets to fish for crits.
Royal Slash uses the higher stat but respects Charge and can crit.

>>718147312
>Listing Murakumo as a skill worth building for and ignoring Heavenly Ikuyumi for Mag
Fair, forgot about that one.