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excuse me? do you have a cold

Heretic starts off strong but the more you play it, the more you realize you've seen everything the game has to offer in episode 1. Everything after, except maybe Maulotaurs, is just more of the same. More of the melee enemies running at you, some of which sometimes shoot too. All new weapons are just different machineguns (phoenix gun is a better crossbow instead) and tomes of power are not enough to differentiate them. All the levels start to look the same as the devs were clearly running out of ideas within their setting - some levels are great, but most are boring. It's becoming more and more tedious as you go on instead of more and more interesting or challenging. If you want to play Heretic, avoid the main game, try out some custom maps instead. I'd give names but it's been so long since I've last had them on my PC.

Hexen is a great looking game with awful design. The puzzles are legendary at this point, but combat is shit too when you have four weapons with two ammo types and enemies have a stall mechanic because it's fun to stand in a spot for a few seconds without anything to do... every few seconds. Take out the stupid puzzles, rework a few of the more obnoxious enemies and it would be a great game. Too bad.

>>718145430
Spot on. I never got why people think of Raven as this legendary developer. Maybe Jedi Outcast/Academy were formative games for these people, but everything else they've developed is in the realm of "good but not great". Heretic is repetitive, Hexen is just fucking frustrating, Singularity never gets off the ground, Quake 4 feels incredibly mediocre outside of the stroggification, Wolfenstein (2009) is bland as fuck, and so on

>>718144959 (OP)
looking at half naked men again boomer?

>>718144959 (OP)
I just hate how the weapons feel. Everything's just so weak. Not that any of it matters since Blood dabs on every single shooter ever made.

>>718146154
b-but you're supposed to use the tomes of power to make the weapons feel good

>>718144959 (OP)
While Heretic is a beloved classic in its own right, it's undeniable that it lives in the shadow of the colossal success of Doom. While Heretic is a fantastic game that deserves recognition for its unique contributions to the FPS genre (such as its inventory system and looking up/down functionality), Doom's groundbreaking impact, mass appeal, and continued support have cemented its place in gaming history, overshadowing its equally deserving but less widely celebrated counterpart.

>>718146506
Y-shearing wasn't a revolution. Carmack said he didn't add it to Doom because he didn't like how it looked, and Marathon beat Heretic as the first commercial game to feature it. The Build Engine also had it for later titles. Also, most FPS don't bother with an inventory system, so that clearly never caught on. If Heretic was overshadowed, it's because much better games came out soon after (Quake, Duke Nukem 3D, Descent, etc.)

>>718146506
thanks chatgpt

>>718145430
> the more you play it, the more you realize you've seen everything the game has to offer in episode 1


but enough about Doom...

>>718146059
>I never got why people think of Raven as this legendary developer.
Because they were still better than almost everybody else. Early shooters were BAD. It was a period of trial and error where Romero, bless his soul, somehow got a lot of the basics right. Most weren't anywhere near as lucky.
I will never acknowledge Rise of the Triad and Dark Forces as anything but bad games and they were one of the better ones in the genre at the time.

>>718147110
It's the shareware curse, but at least Doom provided the engine itself

>>718147143
Except Dark Forces is way better than Heretic. Go replay it with The Force Engine and you'll see. RotT is closer to W3D though, and I have no interest in playing it

>>718144959 (OP)
Are you supposed to shoot his penis?

Heretic is the best shooter of the 1990s.

>>718147347
Dark Forces is a pretty bad game.
Heretic is considerably better than Dark Forces in terms of gameplay, balance, level design, challenge, skill ceiling, etc.
ROTT is very different from Wolf 3D, infinitely better, but that doesn't mean much because Wolf 3D is a bad game.

>>718148604
DF has way better level design and way more enjoyable weapons. It's a lot more fun to play

Sex with
Huh I just noticed that hexen is a massive sausage fest. Not a single woman or monster girl.

>>718147143
>I will never acknowledge Rise of the Triad and Dark Forces as anything but bad games and they were one of the better ones in the genre at the time.
ROTT was never considered one of the best games of its time. It was released too late for that.
But it's infinitely better than Dark Forces anyway because it at least allows for some pure action and gameplay. Dark Forces is just more classic Western trash where "atmosphere" is valued more than pure gameplay.

https://youtu.be/8xeMY8a3naM?si=6dGOGNiSgjaVtmsU

>>718148826
You think I care about this when pirating the gog versions of their remasters lol?

>>718148703
As I said in another post, Dark Forces is classic Western style when it comes to video games, that is, it's a game made by people who don't understand the medium. They hired architecture students to design the levels because Westerners have a fetish for realism. Since they don't understand how video games work, they try to create "simulations" of the real or fantasy world.
The gameplay in Dark Forces is so bad. Heretic at least will give you more speed, more action, more variety, more depth in the interactions between the elements of the game, and a much higher skill ceiling. Dark Forces is just an attempt to simulate a Star Wars reality, and that's it.
Heretic is lucky that it inherited everything I mentioned from ID Software. The guys at ID also had no idea what they were doing, but at least they focused on speed and pure gameplay, which already put them light years ahead of the Western philosophy of the time of creating simulations.

>>718144959 (OP)
bloatslop

Blood > Duke 3D/Shadow Warrior > Doom > Doom II > Hexen > Heretic

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>>718148826
trump isn't cool anymore since epstein/israel
>>718150247
What about redneck rampage?

>>718150247
>no Rise of the Triad
>no Redneck Rampage
>no Wolfenstein 3D
>no Strife
>no bad shovelware clones like Tekwar
Shiggy Diggy

>>718149253
I feel like we're talking about different games here. You're going on as if it's a modern AAA game or something. DF is closer to DN3D than Doom, but that doesn't make it any worse

>>718150404
You forgot Descent

>>718145430
Episode 2 had more new enemies. But after than it's more of the same. I just finished Episode 3 and it had just few nice looking locations but same weapons and same enemies but spammed with very annoying level design that forces you go lose health as game has multiple ambushes and also damaging floor and obscured areas with enemies spamming at you as soon as you respawn. It's a shit tier design.

>>718146059
Soldier of Fortune + Jedi Outcast/Academy made them legendary. Their Startrek game is also pretty cool. And Quake 4 was more fun than Doom 3 but nowadays it feels even more dated than D3. Singularity was pretty mediocre and boring. Wolfenstein 2009 felt even more linear and constraint than RTCW, it was a truly their first cod game.

>>718151121
Fair point, I've never actually played a SoF game. Maybe I should give it a try

>>718149253
You just explained why DF is better than Heretic.

>>718144959 (OP)
This thread is now property of the bloods apparently

>>718154506
You bet it is

>>718148703
It has the worst level design of all fps games i have played in my entire life. Artstyle of levels looks dark, grey and boring.

>>718146073
I remember when I was like 15 one our our family's chick friends saw this texture and said it was fucking hot.

Heretic’s basically Doom with a robe on, but that’s not a bad thing. 94 FPS scene was all marines, mechs, and macho cyborgs; then Raven rolls in with medieval dark fantasy, magic wands, and levels that feel like cursed cathedrals. Same buttery Doom engine gunplay, but instead of shotguns you’re spamming enchanted crossbows and morphing dudes into pigs. It’s like Doom got drunk, read a D&D manual, and woke up in a gothic fever dream. Criminally overshadowed by Hexen talk, but still pure boomer-shooter gold.

>>718156262
You can't have played many FPS games, if that's how you feel. Outside of the awful sewer level, DF is one of the few old-school shooters that avoid maze-like level design and actually tries to make its levels feel like real places

>>718156461
I mean, if it would have been a female demon(?) with a thin bra to go with the loincloth, I'd also say it was fucking hot

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>>718150247
Horrific taste. It should be the exact reverse but with Blood going after Hexen.

the new hexen episode really exemplifies how pissarse the enemy design is and there's not a lot to this game in general.

hexen 2 is a way better game

>>718157558
I love the sound of this bad boy.

>>718144959 (OP)
Dad stop posting on 4chins. I know you recently started replaying this game. Please come back home.

>>718154506
MARAMAX!

>>718156751
Heretic is Doom if every weapon in Doom felt like using the pistol

I played a shitton of Hexen as a kid on MSDOS and didn't play Heretic until fairly recently, and honestly I prefer Heretic. Yes it's just fantasy Doom, but it's like what did you expect, that's what it says on the tin. I prefer a straightforward fantasy Doom to whatever the fuck Hexen was trying to be.

>>718150247
Doom & Doom II > Heretic > Hexen > Duke 3D > Blood > Shadow Warrior

Too much hitscanners in Blood and the game is too difficult. I do not care for Shadow Warrior. Duke 3D is based but I still prefer medieval Doom over it and Hexen at least has unique level design and classes. So that leaves the Doom games and I see those two as equally good.

>>718150247
>By engine
Blood > Duke Nukem 3D > Shadow Warrior
Doom 2 >= Doom > Strife > Heretic > Hexen
Marathon > Marathon 2 > Marathon 3
Dark Forces > Outlaws
Rise of the Triad > Wolfenstein 3D > Spear of Destiny (never played Blake Stone)

>Top 5
Blood > Doom 2 > Duke Nukem 3D > Dark Forces > Marathon

>Redneck Rampage is so ass that people would rather rank RotT
top kek

>>718164523
I genuinely keep forgetting that game exists

>>718164656
Better that way.