Thread 718154857

The game that killed the collectathon genre.

the collectathon genre killed itself by being bad

>>718154993
Fpbp

>>718154857 (OP)
the game that proved zoomers are incapable of independent thought

I wish, Nintendo brought it back with Odyssey and Banaza and it's worse than it ever was

>>718154857 (OP)
redeemed by the sheer breadth and scope of the project. who thought this much content could be contained on a game cartridge

In Mario 64, the point of the stars was to be a goal in 3D space, and you'd have to do a bunch of cool platforming stuff to reach it
Rare thought the point was to collect as much garbage as possible

Beaver bother can go fuck itself.

>>718154857 (OP)
Why the fuck won't they put it on the online ??

Nice

>>718154857 (OP)
DK is the best franchise of ALL time you faggot chud jew.
The best DK IS and will always be DK Country 2.
If you disagree you aren't just a faggot, but a mega, ultra, intergalactic level, super faggot

>>718155349
>uhh no guys actually everyone loved it! It's just no one ever talked about it because uhh...SHUT UP AND LOOK AT THESE REVIEW SCORES!!!!

>>718154857 (OP)
uhh, yes, yes it did

>>718154857 (OP)
>replayed the game after 25 years since i last played it
>around 20 hours or so
>i collected everything and got 101% and i enjoyed every moment of it beside few mini games
sounds like skill issues to me. beside, they made a mod that let you switch characters on spot (i didn't use it because i didn't know about it at time and i prefer playing it as it originally intended)

>>718159104
it's too shit

>>718154857 (OP)
Collectathon literally evolved straight into Assassins Creed and all its open world clones.
>b-b-b-but my diaper is a scrimblo on it!
That never mattered for the collect a ton of shit genre. Wash your fucking ass.

>>718158714
This. They just won’t fall in no matter how much you snap at them near the edge, it’s bullshit.

Why was Dixxy replaced with whatever that is?

>>718154857 (OP)
It’s pretty terrible but I almost want to say Banjo-Tooie is worse

>>718158714
>>718164379
There is actually a trick to it but it takes forever to figure out the finesse of it.

>>718154857 (OP)
>Mario Sunshine in 2002
>Mario Galaxy in 2007

It never went anywhere.

Hopefully now that meme can die. DK64 was a great game.

>>718166389
Mario Galaxy wasn't a collectathon though, it began the linear course 3D Mario linage that culminated with 3D World

>>718154857 (OP)
Ubisoft is the new king of collectibles.

>>718160719
Not him but people back then did like it for the most part.

It's only in recent years that people have been looking back on it and retroactively hating on it because the mechanic where you have to change between Kongs to collect specific collectables was obnoxious as fuck.

Keep in mind kids back then typically had a small hand full of games they would replay again and again so having to replay Donkey Kong 64 levels wasn't so bad. Back then having to replay a game was the norm. But this idea is hard for zoomers who get their opinions from YouTubers to comprehend since they grew up being able to download a bunch of games free on their smartphones.

>>718166664
>Mario Galaxy isn't a collectathon
>to progress and get best ending, you have to collect stars like in Mario 64 and Sunshine

>>718154857 (OP)
if you don't like it, you never liked collectathon games in the first place.

>>718154857 (OP)
It's because the game was just that good, no one needed a new game for decades. Bananza has brought back the genre for today's audience which is also worth mentioning.

>>718169474
The “collectathon” part was never the major draw in collectathons. The greatest collectathons usually had a major collectable that often gatekept level progress and a minor collectable that was scattered around the level to incentivize exploration of the entire level and either unlocked a major collectable item or unlocked something substantial. Having a million different collectables that essentially do nothing and are tedious to get is the mistake Rare made where Mario, Spyro, and Crash succeeded

>>718170270
>“collectathon”
NTA, but you don't actually get it. There were 3D platformers like Crash Bandicoot, Mario 64 blurred the lines, and then you arrive at Banjo Kazooie which was more of an adventure game than a 3D platformer, that's where the collectathon roots come from. It's not about collecting stuff, it's about exploration and discovery, which is telegraphed by stuff to collect.

>>718168037
I remember DK64 being at least a little bit of a letdown, but it wasn't because of all the stuff each Kong had to collect, it was having to do stuff like beat Arcade Donkey Kong and Jetpac to access the final boss. Also I was kind of disappointed by how colorful and cartoony it was compared to the DKC games.

>>718154857 (OP)
I fucking loved this game when I was 8. It wasn't anything like country and certainly not as good. But man the toy factory level had a vibe. I used to have dreams about it

>>718168037
There's nothing obnoxious about it, there's a huge disconnect between modern gamers and when the game first released. Anyone who thinks that switching between characters and collecting different colored bananas is bad game design are spoiled by too convenient things in new games. Shit like fast travel, shit like grace periods in platforming, and shit like invulnerability frames, all kinds of shit that is expected by the retards of today.

>>718171049
I think you’re dumb anon, but I love your sincerity, and unique and subjective view on this game as it is humbling to remember people can play games for vastly different reasons.

>the game that resurrected it
pottery

>>718157176
SMO and DKB take from the Rare design school of having a ton of moons and bananas strewn about. Clearly Rare was in the right but was too ahead of the curve.

It's a great game
>WAAAH I HAVE TO WALK TO GET DA BANANAS NOOOO
Not my problem

I still play and 100 percent this game every few years. Everyone acts like the game is really giant and bloated and takes forever, but the levels are actually denser than they seem. Most only take two hours to completely finish, maybe three on Fungi Forest.

I just replayed it, got 101%. It was quite fun. I think the supposed issue of having to walk back to a barrel and switch and then go collect arbitrary collectibles only happened to me a few times overall. Most of the time, I went through any given area with bananas enough times that I eventually happened to bring the right Kong by for other purposes anyway. The worse filler was every minigame making four separate appearances, with the first two (at least) being near impossible to lose. My final time was around 20 hours, and I wasn't rushing, I spent a while fucking around and misremembering bananas.

>>718172863
This, it's satisfying to notice I can get somewhere with advanced movement mechanics, and for there to be something there to collect as a reward for trying and succeeding.

>>718175259
At the same time, I feel like Bananza's platforming challenges wind up feeling a bit one-size-fits-all because of that. The point is what you the player do and not what obstacles you're navigating, to the point that obstacles start to feel secondary as a whole. 64 makes sure you pay attention to what's stopping you, unless you're outright glitching past it.

>>718172863
desu that's why I didn't like odyssey (I played it until the credits and then I think i picked it up once after that?) and didn't even bother with banaza

>Clearly Rare was in the right but was too ahead of the curve.
if that's where platformers are headed then i'd rather get off at the previous stop

>>718154857 (OP)
I recently just replayed this. It's not too bad as long as you don't try to 100% it. Beating the final boss is reasonable as you only need half the golden bananas, along with getting 5k points in Jetpac and beating the 4 levels of the original DK with only 1 life (you get another by level 3). The final boss is pure kino.
Fuck the Beaver Bother minigames. Whoever coded that is a sadistic bastard. As soon as you see those beavers running in place against the edges of the middle hole, you'll feel the same rage I felt knowing the devs went out of their way to fuck you over in that minigame.

>>718168037
>the mechanic where you have to change between Kongs to collect specific collectables was obnoxious as fuck
I thought it would be worse than it actually was, but there where character switch barrels practically everywhere around the levels

>>718176013
I haven't played Bananza, I was referencing Odyssey, and the specific instance I had in mine when typing it was during a challenge stage. It introduces a mechanic, you use it in a platforming challenge, and there's a moon and an exit. If you look backwards after that section though you will notice that the moving platforms you navigated will extend further up than you have been. If you simply jump on top of it instead of navigating them, it will take you up to another part of the level, and there's a second moon to get before you leave. Those moments in Super Mario Odyssey are very satisfying, if you think to look, if you think to try, sure enough.

Jet Force Gemini forces you to collect every single thing to fight the last boss. This requires redoing stages with each of the 3 characters and the collectibles can be killed by enemies adding to frustration.
Windwaker stops game progress to make you sail the entire map for tri-force pieces.
Metroid Prime 2 makes you go all over collecting bullshit that serves no purpose but gating progress at the end.

Donkey Kong never felt like the collecting was forced. That makes all the difference.

Cumulatively these made me stop buying any of these kinds of games.

>>718158714
>>718177069
but did you play on original nintendo 64 hardware? ive heard that because the code about game speed and frames is kinda wonky and emulators are faster than the original nintendo 64, shit doesnt get translated too well and things fall apart

>>718178351
I played on Project 64 and didn't have any problems otherwise. Even the fan thing inside the mechanical fish with Diddy didn't pose a problem and that's the most obvious indicator of any game speed/frames issues.

>>718168037
This, it was seen more as like "wow what value, look how many hours you can get out of this!" - even so, I got dk64 as a kid and did find it tedious after a while however. I think I only beat the game exactly once and just barely cared about it at that point, like "finally that's over."

I went into it assuming it would be something between sm64 and banjo kazooie, the original game of which I absolutely loved. Yeah it wasn't that..

>Make a magnum opus that no one will ever top
D*mn. what a BEA5T

>>718154993
Yes, it was something made for another reality. Rare's stuff was nothing more than British trash made to keep poor kids who couldn't afford many video games busy in front of the television for as long as possible.

>>718179150
You went with expectations of what it SHOULD be, based in comparisons with other "3D platformer Collectathon", that's why it soured you.

I went with no expectations because videogames were still a new thing for me, loved the fuck out of it.

>>718154857 (OP)
How can you say that when the perfect collectathon came out a couple years later?

>>718178351
That’s made up. The trick is steering away from the beaver when it starts to go into the hole. It’s still shit and hard to do.

>>718154857 (OP)
This is historical revisionism. Nobody complained about the collectables when this game released in 1999.
Find me ten separate accounts of people complaining about it from 1999-2001 when the game was being sold.

>>718159405
DK isn’t even as good as Sonic.

>>718168037
>people back then did like it for the most part.
I mean honestly not really? Most people didn't really give a shit about it. Honestly most people didn't play it. Personally I only played it at a friend's house back when and I was not interested nearly enough to get it myself, and basically no one I know IRL had much to say about it nor anyone I personally have ever known. It was kinda just there. No outrage, no excitement, most people just didn't care about it.

>>718155043
spwp

>>718179536
They were already doing that. There's a reason why bri'ish people are required to have a loicense to watch the telly.

>>718154993
Hat In Time was fantastic. Platforming is some of the most fun vidya activity there is.

>>718168037
The reception was lukewarm at best. It was a pretty unfun game.