Thread 718175648

I can't remember the last time I hated a game character this much that the fanbase is trying to gaslight me into thinking is morally right

He is right tho

>>718175648 (OP)
Let the poor man die

>>718175648 (OP)
t. didn't finish the game

He has a point and by the end the only real people left are him, Sciel and Lune. At the same time though, Lumiere and its people have a second chance in Alicia.

Both Verso and Alicia are valid. Both are also pigheaded selfish cunts and Lumiere suffers regardless of what you do.

Verso is such a great character, for every reason to like him is a reason to despise him, like a living rorschach test

>>718175648 (OP)
>betrayed everyone at least three times
>constantly lies
>killed your adoptive brotherfather
>helped genocide millions or even billions of people
>no you see he's the good guy!

>>718175956
>we're all hypocrites

Is this the most astroturfed game in /v/ history?

>>718176002
troon posts like this just reaffirms Verso did nothing wrong

>>718175648 (OP)
but he is right

Verso isn't morally right outside of wanting to erase the painting

>>718175648 (OP)
Playing with dolls is bad

STOP SPOILING THE FUCKING GAME STOP SPOILING THE FUCKING GAME SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT IT SHUT THE FUCK UPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

IF YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS WITH WHOM TO TALK ABOUT IT KILL YOURSELVES

STOP FUCKING SPOILLING IT
I WON'T PLAY IT UNTIL ALL DLCS ARE OUT
SO SHUT
THE
FUCK
UP

>>718176002
He has to live knowing he's a replacement in a simulation, he's in the middle of a tragic family story (as well as the cause of this tragedy, sort of). And to top it off, he has to live forever. I didn't like him throughout the game but you have to admit his life is an existential nightmare.

>>718175648 (OP)
did you finish the game? Finish the game pls.

>>718175820
Backstabbing git got off easy as far as I'm concerned. They could've tossed his severed head in the ocean. Instead, Verso's punishment for manipulating people into killing themselves along with everyone they loved is that he has to try to enjoy a life actually living his dream free from conflict for the first time.

And he's gonna fucking whine about it because his mass murder-suicide attempt failed.

This game has the most "bullshit ending" I've seen in quite a while.

>>718176280
There will be no DLC's, you waited for no reason keeek

>>718176280
There aren't any spoilers in the OP though, just avoid the thread

>>718176280
>I WON'T PLAY IT UNTIL ALL DLCS
having dlc would be sort of anti-thetical to the point of the game anon

>>718176280
What spoilers are in the OP anon?

versoGODS, we won

This dude felt random and out of left field.
They tried to make him the Artorias of the game but it didn't feel like there was enough build up or mentions of him for that to make sense.
It just loredumps you about him and you're like "ok who cares though?"

>>718175648 (OP)

cry more myL fag

It might have been explained in the game and i forgot, but how do the painted Dessendre know that they are painted? Have they always known or was there a moment when they discovered the truth?

>>718176002
>Betraying a painting
>Killing a painting
>Genociding a painting
Ur dum.

>A Life to Dream
when are they going to add this ending

>>718176608
It's not like Dark souls has a story either

>>718176767
just a dream anon, sometimes there is no middle ground

>>718176098
yes, it's peak redditcore, surpassing disco elysium

Verso was the most fun character to play so that makes him morally correct and the one I sided with.

>>718176608
I enjoy the side-content, but feel like some parts of it were intended to be tied into a bigger part of the story but due to time/budget they're just kind of scattered about the world. Like I still think it's weird that the ending to Painted Maelle's story is optional.

>>718176608
they didn't try anything, anon.

he's just an optional dark souls reference, including a meme cutscene

>>718176856
it's based /pol/core though
>painted (black) people do not matter
>women (the paintress) are retarded
>Men are always right (Verso)

>>718176896
>get his coolest weapon at the very end of the game with nothing else to use it on besides NG+
lame as fuck

>>718175648 (OP)
>>718176002
>The irony of Painted Verso's entire character is that he inadvertently does what the real Verso would've done for the sake of his family
>Real Verso sacrificed himself to save his sister
>Real Verso would've concealed the letter to save his mother; otherwise, they would have left the paintress alone, and Aline would eventually die
>Real Verso would've thrown Alicia out of the painting to save her life (again)
>Real Verso would've destroyed the painting to force his family to move on, and to not endanger them more than he already has

>"no you see he's the good guy!"
Yes. In the end, Verso was a selfless son and brother who valued his family above himself.
Unfortunately, /v/'s too shortsighted to appreciate the depth and tragedy of his character; he's the hero of the story.

>>718176280
>don't talk about video games on the video game board

>>718175648 (OP)
>hated a game character this much that the fanbase is trying to gaslight me into thinking is morally right

simon almost made me drop the game
buildfaggotry is never fun

>>718177045
And yet he killed his painted father and drove his sister to suicide because he denies their love and sentience.

>>718177159
>almost made me drop the game at the final endgame boss
Ok?

>>718177045
>>718176715
They're living things, even if they're painted. They're conscious and sentient.
Killing all of them makes him evil, just like Renoir. There's no difference between killing a human in the real world and killing a painted one in the painting.

I'm about to fight real Verso, where do I go to level up so I stomp his head against the curb
Also Lune is a fucking whore getting mad at Verso when she would've acted like him to get what she wanted

>>718177159
I did the second he wiped my whole party and forced me to use the backups.
There's no excuse for something like this.
Though by dropped, I mean I built a one-shot build for Maelle and let her kill him in one hit. Felt not guilt or shame in doing so. Fuck the devs for thinking that shit was ok.

>>718177260
>They're conscious and sentient.
They can't survive without the host so they're like a fetus aka a parasite.
Abort em all

>>718177348
>I'm about to fight real Verso
Every copy of Expedition 33 is personalized.

>>718176002
>killed your adoptive brotherfather
He fucked up that one, unironically Gustave would've sided with him to save Maelle

>>718177260
"they're just paint" never worked as a pro verso argument anyway since the nigga himself is "just paint"

>>718177260
>Killing all of them makes him evil
but Verso didn't kill them, he just didn't let them come back from death

>>718176649
aline probably painted them with memories of their real selves

>>718175648 (OP)
Life keeps forcing cruel choices.

>>718176649
Clea told em

>>718177490
Sorry, I meant Renoir

>OPTIONAL superboss is made intentionally difficult in order to enhance the "OH FUCK, SHIT'S GOING DOWN" hype feeling
>it's possible to cheese him easily, the devs are aware of both the broken builds and that players are capable of searching for them online
>AIIIIIEEEEEE SAVE ME NIGGERMAN
I beat him with the 999,999 damage mod because I was afraid of one-shotting him and not getting to experience his full moveset, Act 3 is too easy in general.

gameplay?

>>718176649
iirc they spawned in lumière with the rest of the pleb, formed expedition 0 and went to the monolith and only then learned the truth

>>718176002
to add to this-
>can't seem to cope with the fact hes a "copy" despite his closest friends saying he is something else
>doesn't try to live as someone who isn't "Verso"
>wants to kill himself because depressed
>refuses to make changes to fix this except for killing himself and literally everyone else in painting because "i'm tried :(((("
>his painted sister even says he has potential to do what he wants
>still decides he wants to die

Maelle was also being retarded, but I think its a family trait at this point

>>718177720
>Act 3 is too easy in general.
Only if you're a Maelle abuser

>>718177879
Imagine not abusing her

>>718177745
combining turn based 3 niggas in a row with dodges and parries works very well actually, because at its core soulsgame are turned based, you literally roll until it's your turn
But with proper turns it gets more strategic depth
Made me wonder how no one thought about it before

>>718175956
Nothing like getting somebody else to thing for you. Some people were just born to be leftists.

>>718175648 (OP)
>>718176406
Verso killed 2 people in his ending - Lune and Sciel. What mass murder are Maelletards talking about?

>>718177045
What really bothers me is the ultimatum being forced on everyone. It's repeatedly discussed that there is a possible middle ground that could have been found, both by Lune and Painted Alicia. But because Maelle's shitty family can't get their shit together it's just treated as absolutely impossible for the painters to just leave the clearly sentient people of Lumiere in peace and take a break from the canvas every once in a while.

So rather than work with Maelle (the one painter who was born into an entire other life in Lumiere and thus is sympathetic to them as real people), Verso decides that he'll manipulate and traumatize her, making her watch Gustave die and tricking her into killing everyone that she tried to save. And that's when he's not having sex with Sciel and Lune and pretending to care about them and everything they've dedicated their entire lives to fighting for. Verso can act like it's all for Maelle's sake, but he backstabs everyone that trusts him and kills the one man that might have been able to change Maelle's mind because he can't risk someone jeopardizing his own ambition to die.

>>718176098
I'd say bald gays has it beat.

>>718178070
He lied to the group so he could pave the path to them fighting the paintress with the intention and knowledge of giving Renoir free reign to wipe out Lumiere. He didn't pull the trigger, but he's the one who set up the shot.

>>718177835
they're mirrored
both want to give up on their respective worlds and force the other in the other world

>>718177879
I played with the 99,999 and later 999,999 damage mod and still found it too easy (except for Simon). Maelle abuse is all about one hit nukes. My biggest source of damage was Verso due to all the multihit.

>>718177640
>old frieennnnnnd

>>718178070
One could argue it's even worse than being a mass murderer. He spent time with both of them, both helped him, both grew close enough to him that they confessed intimate details of their life to him. Honestly, i'm reading the thread kind of neutral about the debate (i defended Verso in another post) but you can't do worse than that. I get where he's coming from and i would probably be suicidal to if i were him but still.

>>718176002
>>718177835
He was trying to protect his mother.

>>718178245
>buy a chinese phone made by abused chinese children
>thus, you are abusing chinese children

Yes you're right, Renoir killed them, not Verso. Renoir would have killed them either way with or without Verso.

The only people Verso kills (in the game, there might be some from previous expeditions) are Lune and Sciel. Sorry you can't deal with this fact.

>>718178485
>both grew close enough to him that they confessed intimate details of their life to him
Worse, he got romantically involved and banged them. You have to be a special kind of bastard to betray someone who loves you. And Verso did it twice, first with Julie and later with Sciel/Lune.

>>718177640
I have a weird level of appreciation for games that let you keep character customization during cutscenes. Goofy-ass options included.

>>718178634
Even at that level alone, I cared infinitely more about Lune and Sciel than I did about Verso.

>>718178450
>Maelle abuse is all about one hit nukes.
Not at all, her main sword which starts in virtuous stance can only be obtained if you're an early Maelle abuser

>>718178070
>Lune and Sciel
Were repainted by Alicia according to her memories from Renoir's chroma, which she turned into her own (red to yellow). They are not Sciel and Luna anymore.

What were the Writers in the plot? Did I skip a cutscene or something or did they never explain it? Is it some meta thing?

>>718178671
>You have to be a special kind of bastard to betray someone who loves you.

Yes, and it's not just a little betrayal. He literally ends their life, it's insanely vile.

>>718176608
His entire fight is a dark souls reference, which includes pretending to have a story but being too scared to actually tell one so you rely on youtube theory crafters to pull some bullshit out od their asses instead

>>718178485
One could argue that, but that's not anyone in this thread is arguing. It's
>MUH GENOCIDE
or on the other side
>DOESNT MATTER THEY ARE PAINTED

He doesn't commit genocide, he kills 2 people.

>>718178905
That's stupid. Elements of Sciel and Lune's character quests can be done after all of that shit, where they talk about memories of things like Lune's parents that Maelle wouldn't know about.

>>718178971
Different magical faction in the real world.

Everyone is a fucking asshole except Esquie and François
Even Monoco and mommy Golgra are turbocunts

>>718178760
>uh, uh, ok he didn't do what I said BUT I STILL HATE HIM
I accept your concession
>>718178905
I agree, but Maelletards aren't ready for this final truthnuke.

>>718178971
It's never really explained. Supposedly they're a faction with a similar magical ability to the painters that are at war with them.

I like the theory that they're a bunch of Alan Wakes waiting to happen.

>>718177260
Total painting death.

>>718179063
If they made a perfect clone of you with your memories, would YOU be ok with dying? No. Because it's not you, just like Alicia's clones isn't them. Sorry to break it to you like this.

>>718179380
Yeah, it's like the teleporting shit
You get reconstructed but you're fucking dead and only got cloned

>>718177640
Che Guevera Verso over here.

>>718179013
Well i am arguing that, basically. It takes a greater evil to pull off killing people who love you (and that you pretended to love to) than to kill a number of people you've never met before.

>>718179380
She didn't make a copy of them, she took their literal essence and put them back together. If it was just a copy based on her memories of them alone they would have been blatantly different after the fact in terms of what they knew.

>>718176608
I feel that the Reacher, endless tower and Painted Clea were the really important parts of post game. You're right that Simon just feels weird. The entire part of expedition 00 feels under developed, they could have just as easily left it out entirely and have had them just be another gaggle of poor Lumierreans instead of two of Alines replacement family, one random broad and apparently the strongest man to ever exist who solo'd an Axon im still mad we never got to fight for meaningfully encounter.
I'd have rather found like the Mime King or whatever instead of this asshole.
Good theme though.

>>718175648 (OP)
>writers guild tries to kill maele
>verso dies to save her
>story starts in lumiere so you grow attached to painted people
>anon can't see the obvious manipulation by the writers
>anon fulfills their goal by letting maele die in the canvas
You just got played

>>718179191
I hope the next game is a writer clusterfuck

>>718179063
She only needs to imagine that it's close enough to their essence. You have no way of knowing if anything after that is their real memories or just painted into them. It's not about verisimilitude.

>>718178085
I've noticed the only people that dislike the Verso ending are the ones that dislike Verso personally.

I beat the game already, is the side stuff worth beating? I didn't do any of the painter workshops or beat that flying dragon thing.

>>718179731
I wish we had more context on Clea's axon (the hauler)

>>718179676
Their essence was white chroma when Aline painted them, then it turned red when Renoir gommage'd them and took their chroma, then Alicia absorbed the red chroma and failed to recreate them from it until she turned the chroma into her own, yellow. They are already twice detached from their original.

>>718179821
I mean obviously if you disagree with killing the canvas you're probably not going to love the guy manipulating people into making it happen.

>>718179826
I think the story side-stuff is worth seeing, but a lot of the bonus challenge stuff and random boss fights are just there if you're enjoying playing around with the combat system

What was his problem?

>>718179931
I think that's just the personal mark of different painters' abilities, but any of the actual mechanics of all the magic stuff is going to be left up to interpretation.

The painters are allegories for politicians. They kill millions for the sake of petty conflicts with their family, which is justified because the serfs are sheep whose lives mean nothing.

>>718175648 (OP)
I went through that as well after playing this game, I've had some arguments with people about it but it's pretty hopeless to try and get any reasonable arguments from verso-pickers. I think they're mostly morally and philosophically handicapped.

I think a lot of people can't see beyond him being a charming and good looking dude they play as so they see him as the good guy.

>>718179272
kek

>>718180209
"Bouchelier" is french for Maellefag.

>>718179821
You should dislike Verso personally. He's a charming good looking dude who tricks his friends into killing themselves and everyone they love, that's some psycho shit.

>>718180521
yeah that did it

>>718177745
Mario RPG ripoff with added QTE spam

>>718179821
he's a coward. even in the scene where he should be "telling the truth" he's still hiding the truth.

>>718180615
His friends know about his plans though.

>>718176280
>browsing /v/ when you haven't played E33 yet
its your own fault you're getting spoiled, you dumb nigger

>>718180408
Maybe the Writers are just revolutionaries trying to stop a cycle of cruel aristocrats creating entire worlds just to throw them away once they're done playing with them.

>>718176280
I don't go on /v/ until I've played the recent stuff I want to, retard. Your fault.

>>718180409
see
>>718178070
Yes, he killed 2 people to save his family - how is this supposed to be morally and philosophically handicapped? Sorry for your family if you wouldn't kill 2 people to save them.

>>718180615
see
>>718180709

>>718176608
>They tried to make him the Artorias of the game but it didn't feel like there was enough build up or mentions of him
i had no idea who artorias was besides being the guy on the name and cover of the dlc

it doesn't matter if he's right or wrong, what matters is that maelle is 100% wrong and you can't deny it

>>718180709
>>718180821
Sciel, Maelle and Lune does not know. He helps Renoir kill everyone when he tricks them to kill the paintress. Did you guys even play the game?

>>718179774
It's funny that in knowing absolutely nothing about the writers and their motivations, they're left open as the most interesting thing about the setting to do anything with.

>>718180943
You were talking about his friends. Monoco and Esquie. Come to think of it, they both knew what he was doing and didn't tell the rest of the party either.

>>718180943
Sorry you misread the situation retard, Lune and Sciel aren't REALLY his friends. Monoco and Esquie know the plan and support him too.

>>718180821
>Yes, he killed 2 people to save his family
verso supporters are dishonest like verso himself. they are acting like they dont also support renoir just for some PR statement "we only sacrifice 2 people duh"

>>718181117
>>718181163
They're more like his pets than his friends, and he betrays them too. He rewards their loyalty with death.

>murder is okay because I don't treat the victims as people
This is sociopath logic.

>>718181163
I'm not sure Esquie has enough agency to really be supportive or against it. It's like asking Winnie the Pooh whether he'd support the murdering of some friends to end the suffering of another.

>>718181324
Suddenly sentient and sapient creatures are on the same level as pets. Pretty dishonest.

>>718180802
I see it as both are the same except the Writers are more conservative and restrictive with their outlook on creation through their art/power. Painters meanwhile are much more liberal and romantic. Essentially, Painters freely explore their powers and creations to see what they can make, Writers will barely Write/create out of fear of what they could make and undo.

>>718181465
They're somewhere between a dog and a person, it's not dishonest and it's obvious to anyone.

>>718181505
Then peace is established when they finally collaborate and make a comic book.

>>718179918
I mean following the trends we know what it MEANT, that Clea was keeping the entire world on her shoulders for the sake of her family but yeah. It's not even allowed to show up in a background animation during the final boss when even Reacher shows up.
But I agree, all the other axons dissolve on death but for some reason this one just stays there. I thought for sure we were going to have to explore the city on its back to try and claim it's left behind heart but the theory isn't even floated. Instead we go and fight Sirene and Visages at full health

>>718181324
>They're more like [pessimistic headcanon to make Verso worse than he is]

Difficult to discuss his character when people are so wildly biased against him.

>>718181181
maellefag crumbles under the pressure of reality (poignant), and starts lashing out, throwing insult, hoping to drown out.

>>718181324
>>718181465
kek this, according to maellefags, charactes that agree with Verso are retarded Winnie The Pooh characters with no agency. Only when you disagree with Verso are you a real person.

His fucking world, his fucking rules. If Alicia is such a good painter, then she can paint her own world identical to Verso's with everyone's memories

>he could have solved the whole plot without any trouble
>instead Verso let's him get killed thus fucking everything up
Ironic

>>718181762
you mean the reality where i have not met a single verso supporters who criticize renoir instead of being highly empathetic to renoir

>>718181803
He would've been on Maelles side, of course Verso had to kill him.

>>718176098
>People like le game!?
>Must be le shills

>>718181606
They are on the same level as a person.

>>718181803
>Esquie could have saved him too, but everyone blames Verso instead
Typical.

>>718176280
It has been 4 months retard, cope, you will be spoiled and you willl like it

>>718181848
He would have thrown Maelle out himself just to stop her from killing herself. He would have placed healthy time limits to coming and going from the painting that Maelle would have had to follow.

>>718181774
By his own admittance it's not his world. He's a copy of the one who made the world.

PLAY SOME PIANO BITCH!

>>718181803
Why didn't he run like promised?

>>718181774
>His fucking world, his fucking rules
That's how the Greek God justified fucking things up for everyone

Verso's ending is the best for both characters, and the direct sequel will follow it.
We'll play as Clea and avenge Verso's death. And maybe pop in to visit Alicia at the psych ward at some point.

>>718181934
No he wouldn't, since if Maelle leaves Renoir destroys the canvas. She's going to live longer than he would.

>>718181803
he would've sided with verso against maelle, lune, aline, and sciel

Stalin was morally justified in murdering 20 million of his citizens. His people, his rules.

>>718181929
Esquie's head is a wine dispenser. No one expects coherent tactical thinking from him

>>718175648 (OP)
It's brave of you to out yourself as having an IQ lower than 10.

>>718177186
>Real Verso would sacrifice warped imitations of his family to save the genuine articles
Yes.

Convince me to continue this game, I adore artstyle and music but gameplay is getting too repetitive for me. I am still somewhere after Goblu

>>718182148
It's not super long. I'd just crank down the difficulty if you want to focus on the main story and speed ahead ignoring exploring the map and the like.

Granted if you're already bored of things that early on, it might just not be for you.

>>718181842
>they are wrong because they sympathize with someone I don't like!
irrelevant. Sorry honey, in the real world, actions matter more than who feels what about who, although I understand this type of feminine thinking is indicative of someone who sides with Alicia.

>>718178085
It's very clearly pointed out that there is indeed a golden ending possible but the two characters are so bogged down with their own baggage they refuse to cede any ground so it's all destroyed in the end.
The only hope we have is that Alicia can maybe one day recreate them, but it will never be them resurrected properly. Just a copy because the chroma they were made with are forever lost.

>>718182148
i felt the same way till the last dungeon of act 1, didn't really get into the story and build crafting till the end of act 1 desu

>>718176608
They just wanted to make a cool boss anon. He's not important to the main story.

>>718182363
Lune was far too pragmatic while being a woman. Too unrealistic.

>>718176608
Cringe

>>718181505
It's funny you say that when the french salon was notorious for being elitist to the extreme and shunned anyone that dared step out of their extremely specific world view of acceptable art

>>718180521
This fucking moment made me sob like a faggot, and i still agree with Verso's decision

Every Verso supporter argues childishly.

>>718175648 (OP)
Judging by your filename, you have never played it and this is just one of dozens of prepared bait threads you will make.

>One shot Clea in the flying manor

Fuck that really sucked the air out of the room, is there another super boss?

>>718175648 (OP)
wake up to reality myL fag

>>718181929
To be fair Esquie was acting as the platform for Scielle and Lune to fight the lampmaster because that Faggot would not stay down. If he flew up the bastard would just follow them up again

>>718181848
He literally flat out tells you he would let the world die if that means Maelle is safe when Lune asks him
He would've sided with Verso the moment he knows Maelle would eventually die in the canvas if she stays for too long and maybe would've kicked her out himself

>>718175648 (OP)
We have something which is called REALITY.
Fair tale land is not real. It's like all those fentynol zombies in USA. They also are in their mind in some fairy tale land.
I doubt you would call anyone who want to destroy fentanyl as a bad guy. Right?

>>718182614
simon

>>718182665
But she lives inside the canvas. She's not dying. She will be alive for 100 years and then she will die.

>>718182614
One at the end of Renoirs Drafts and I guess the end of the Endless Tower. But that's less a proper super boss and more a surprise overlap

>>718182349
lmao, in the real world most people would criticize the "renoir-type" when they dont get to self-insert in a story to see from their perspectives.

>>718182454
Autistic Asian/hapa women are basically honorary men.

>>718182541
I cracked and cried like a faggot several times over the game if it makes you feel better.

>>718175648 (OP)
>getting the people you love out of some fake-reality thats damaging them
nothing wrong with that

>>718175648 (OP)
Screw Maelle and screw Lumiere, I did it for daddy Renoir.

>>718182914
*that was the worst one tho

>>718182342
>>718182383
Difficulty and story is fine so far, I don't have much trouble with parrying and I guessed story will pick up later. It's just that so far I spam the same skills over and over while doing the same QTEs, even button is still the same for all of them. Only difference between enemies are parry/dogde timing and I don't feel like much is going to change later.

>>718182363
>because the chroma they were made with are forever lost.
Not in the ending I chose. The Maelle ending is bad too, but I can at least pretend there's a future outcome where everyone figures their shit out afterwards.

>>718182753
It's also incredibly easy. Clea and Simon are the only real superbosses. They're also very fun if you don't use one shot builds. IMO they're best if you limit your damage to 99,999.

>>718182997
The real meat and potatoes of the game for me is figuring out how to synergize your team as you unlock new abilities and upgrades that play into your strategy for each character and how they play off of each other.

But if that's not your thing, I'm saying lowering the difficulty will at least reduce the amount of time you'd be expected to spend in combat and getting through the world if you still just want to see how the story plays out.

I'm currently playing this game with my mom. We just got past Old Lumiére. She figured out the Renoir-Verso-Alicia-Paintress family dynamic and is very close to figuring out Maelle=Alicia and world=painted because "the paintings in the manor all look like the worlds we visited"

>>718182865
what are you even talking about? it doesn't matter who i sympathize with or not, I could be against Verso throughout the whole game, the only choice I get is at the end, when everyone but 2 people is dead. The choice then is obvious, because Lumiere is gone. Any sensible person will choose to save the family. The only "reason" to choose Maelle is you hate Verso, which makes sense, as Maelle is the emotional and unreasonable choice.

>>718183330
>with my mom
the fuck, how old are you

>>718183089
Wrong, Clea is the easy one.
Painted love has like 25 million HP while Clea only has 7

>>718183423
You forget the non-human creatures. But yes 2 humans die, if you pick Maelle no one dies. Pretty obvious choice I agree.

>>718183423
well my main reason is that i dont want renoir to be rewarded. It's like saying we shouldn't lock up a killer because then it would ruin 2 families instead of one.

>>718183483
28. Yeah my mom is my only friend, so what?

>>718183423
>because Lumiere is gone
We saw proof with Lune and Scielle that Lumierre is not gone. The only ones that are lost irreparably are the ones slain by Nevrons that had their chroma dispersed between multiple vessels and tainted with others. Everyone else can be recalled out of the aether
Lumierre is only really gone when the canvas is destroyed

>>718183423
I spent the entire game caring about Maelle, Sciel, and Lune, not Maelle's asshole parents that would rather play God and burn down an entire world than get grief counseling.

>>718183647
Good for you having a nice mom

>>718183506
Limit your damage and Clea will be harder because you need to perfect parry everything. Painted Love doesn't really have a gimmick and I found that fight quite easy. I think Golgra is harder too

>>718183330
as u asian?

>>718183330
>>718183647
cute

>>718183850
Clea isn't harder at all because she doesn't do enough dmg to kill anyone of you have good pictos, she's overall just a weaker boss

>>718178070
>Verso killed 2 people in his ending - Lune and Sciel.
Sciel KMS'd.

>>718183330
I figured it out as soon as "paintress" was said (which was in the first 10 minutes). It's far from unique or creative. It simply was done well.

>>718183647
I hope she enjoys the game.

>>718183647
cherish each other

>>718179731
I think Simon only got so strong because Real Clea gave him a buff in order to destroy the axon. She hates depictions of herself I suppose, considering how she also repainted over her mother's version of her.

>>718183330
a reveal isn't good because it's shocking

>>718183684
completely wrong. Gustave was not killed by a Nevron and yet he couldn't be re-painted because his chroma (paint with which he was painted) was old.

The only reason Sciel and Lune are cloned in a (yes cloned, the real Sciel and Lune are dead) in a seemingly unaltered state is because their chroma was fresh.

In the Maelle ending, most people are not even moving. It's a pale imitation, Maelle is a shit painter, she can't paint her own canvas and she can't bring people back, but she refuses to let go (just like you) because she's a child, and has an attachment obsession.

>>718183746
> I, me me me me me
Yes, we know that Maellefags are childish.

Why is anyone still talking about this shit story when pic rel already exposed it for the overrated slop it truly is?

>>718184138
I think it's a reach to say the twist is uncreative or too obvious from the jump just because the antagonist is a painter.

That said, I'm a dumbass that was convinced that Verso and Painted Renoir were both old and older versions of Gustave at first, simply because I thought they all looked similar.

>>718176608
>>718179731
It makes more sense if you think of Simon as being weaker than Renoir/Aline in lore. He did get overpowered by Renoir after all. The party also just straight up beats him in a fight. He IS very strong because of Clea (he made it to the Paintress after all), but he's not the strongest in lore. They really just wanted a cool Dark Souls reference boss like the other replies said.

>>718184375
You're making a lot of assumptions about magical bullshit that inherently has no concrete explanation behind it

>>718184590
The canvas is making them stupid.

>>718181324
>and he betrays them too. He rewards their loyalty with death.
I don't even like Verso but there was no betrayal there. Monoco and Esquie knew exactly what Verso was doing

>>718184607
I thought Renoir was older Gustave and Alicia is the Paintress who is also Maelle and she died in a fire which is why she's burned and the countdown is counting down to the year she died and Renoir wants to stop some sort of loop which is why he kills Gustave to stop him from becoming him and tells Maelle this is a kindness. Then Verso showed up with his bullshit and my theory went out the window.

>>718184590
>some youtuber gave opinion
You sure are smart and over 18

>>718184736
You don't think they would prefer living? They accept death for his sake.

>>718176098
Depends on if you feel anxious about this winning GOTY over your personal choice

>>718184590
He gave the Kratos wife's son game a 10/10 so he is a retard

>>718184694
No, it's all explained in the game, but I don't expect Maellefags to recall information, when their whole stance hinges on denying reality and coping.

>>718184590
>the story would have been better if it just committed to the premise in act 1 instead of doing the painter meta narrative
was he right bros?

>>718184607
>was convinced that Verso and Painted Renoir were both old and older versions of Gustave at first

It's being said a lot and i agree, but am i the only one who thought the same thing about Sophie, Maelle and Sciel at first? They look so similar, they could all be sisters. Especially Maelle and Sophie. It made me theorize stupid things for so long.

>>718184607
>>718184808
I think it's funny that so many people thought Renoir is older Gustave. When you watch playthroughs on youtube a lot of people seem to think so too at first

>>718184984
You can always stop playing when Verso starts reading the letter.

>>718184984
No, fighting god/demon king at the end is the plot of every other RPG

>>718175648 (OP)
>man uses all of his energy/effort to save his family
>man sacrifices himself and all he has to save his family
Trannies will never stop seething over this. They can't even fathom the idea.

>>718184984
It's weird and kind of impressive on the part of Sandfall that they got the guy whose entire career is defined by shitting on video game stories, especially JRPG stories, to say "I wish this story was just a basic bitch JRPG because I liked that more". Or maybe he's just retarded

>>718184375
>Gustave was not killed by a Nevron and yet he couldn't be re-painted because his chroma (paint with which he was painted) was old.
Where was that said?
They very meticulously point out that those killed by Nevrons cannot be revived. It's why she makes a corpse army of expedtioners because their petrified bodies still retain trace but tainted chroma. Meanwhile they made a point to show all the people murdered by Renoir stay a normal corpse, and are therefore able to be recovered. We just don't go get Gustave back because that would probably require going to dig his body back up and Alicia/Maelle wasn't ready to do that until the world was saved.
Afterall we see him alive and well in her ending

>>718184861
I'm sure they would prefer living but as you said they accepted their death for Verso's sake so there wasn't any betrayal. You can say Verso is a selfish dick for letting his friends dies for him though.

>>718185198
He literally killed his family

>>718184940
It is never once stated or directly implied that the Lune and Sciel that Maelle brings back are just copies and not revived versions of the originals. You're just repeating a theory assuming it's fact.

>>718185273
That was Maelle/Alicia.

>>718184607
Well, you have my condolences for being a retard.

>>718185198
He betrays his family for another family though, he's painted so his family is the painted family. He helps kill his father, abandons his sister so she wants to die, all to "save" two people who doesn't want to be saved because they're fine with living out their lives the way they've chosen. What a hero.

>mentions I'm playing game on tranny discord
>tranny mod has a meltdown about "no queerness"
>gets laughed at when tries to spin the cutscene between Lune and Sciel as romantic
>even the mod's friends tell him they repeatedly say the girls want to be friends and shag the main character anyway
This game btfo'd all these retards and even cesspools like le heccin reddit or twitter have people tell shippers to fuck off.
I'm fucking my straight barefoot asian witch and no fag can do anything about it

>>718185269
Asking your friends to give up their lives for your sake is a betrayal to me, a failure as a friend.

>>718185479
why are you in tranny discords in the first place retardbro

>>718185479
why are you on a trooncord brother

>>718184590
>Why is anyone still talking about this shit story
The fact that months later people are still obsessed with the story, characters, themes etc. tells you that maybe it was actually something special.

>>718185072
Why is it funny? It's pretty obviously going to be most peoples first thought, that or Gustave was related to him in some way.

>>718184984
Yes but only because the first scene with the gommage and act 1 was so powerful and got you hooked that the reveal the story isn't really about Lumiere or trying to stop the gommage was kinda disappointing. I would enjoy some sort of dlc where the straight forward story first presented was played straight without the inclusion of Verso and Gustave surviving.

>>718185479
>Self inserting as Verso

>>718185479
>tries to spin the cutscene between Lune and Sciel as romantic
Extra funny since Sciel flat out says she had a husband even before trying to bang Verso, but that would require for them to play the game

>>718184352
>Simon only got so strong because Real Clea gave him a buff in order to destroy the axon
That doesn't make sense. The Axons help her father she wouldn't want any of them downed
The only thing I can think of is that the painted Clea did actually fall in love with Simon and that must have been part of of why Clea destroyed her. She couldn't stand seeing a version of herself happy with so much shit going on at home. Turning her into a weapons factory is a cheeky bonus as well
The only one that could have been able to give Simon a power boost then would have had to be Aline who promoted him to Jailer with a little reminder of his lady love to keep him going.

>>718184984
I personally enjoy the initial twist about the painters and explanation behind the world. But I don't like how the final ten minutes undermines the plight of the expeditions in favor of making the final choice feel like it's all about the Dessendres.

It makes everyone assume that killing the canvas is an allegory for moving on from grief and that it's the only way to move forward, despite the fact that 95% of the actual story and how you actually engage with it is dedicated to making you care about giving Lumiere a chance of a real future.

>>718185583
Are you faceblind? Gustave and Renoir look nothing alike

>>718181984
He was already fatally wounded. Best thing he could do was buy time for Maelle to get away.

>>718184984
Yes, I don't give a shit about the stupid family drama of emotionally constipated Frenchoids.

any indication that lune isn't a virgin?

>>718179013
Verso killed two humans and millions of gestrals.
Everyone was very sad about the humans.

>>718184352
It was painted Clea who buffed Simon because they were lovers or some shit, real Clea doesn't consider painted people to be humans

>>718185769
He had 1HP left. That's good enough.

>>718185571
>>718185572
I got invited by a friend and we sometimes organise matches on Rivals or some other game

>>718185413
>anon like its 2025 if your family member wants to get addicted to drugs and OD its bigotted to try and stop them
kys

>>718181984
Sandfall couldn't afford Charlie Cox any longer.

>>718185751
>But I don't like how the final ten minutes undermines the plight of the expeditions in favor of making the final choice feel like it's all about the Dessendres.
The story of expedition 33 is inherently a tragedy about a world trying to survive but unable to escape due to petty gods.

>>718179013
Verso tricks the group into killing the paintress which leads to a genocide and he knows it. He's reponsible together with Renoir.

>>718185769
>>718185906
>tfw Gustave attacks Renoir 32 times in a row and regens to full after every attack because of the Clea's Life picto
His health bar doesn't budge though sadly

>>718185752
You must have replied to the wrong post, because I never said they look alike.

But there is a reason like 90% of peoples first thought was either time loop shenanigans, aged Gustave or being related in some way.

>>718185906
He took cutscene damage though. It's much more serious than gameplay damage.

>>718185938
What? Who is addicted to drugs? Verso was very protective of his alcohol but other than that I can't remember anyone beind addicted to drugs.

>>718185838
Gestrals kill each other all the time. They don't really care.

>>718186062
>But there is a reason like 90% of peoples
90% did not think that, are you insane?
probably 10% tops

>>718185751
The ending of Expedition 33 is what happens if a jrpg put you in the shoes of the typical evil diety/comic force that wants to destroy or control the world and you pick which happens. It doesn't undermine the plight of the Lumierians (?), it's still about them but from a different perspective than jrpgs are typically told from and the ending is fittingly sad because it's basically "what if a jrpg ended with the bad guys winning?"

>>718186169
Yeah, because they get to come back. Verso perma-killed them and their afterlife.

>It's another /v/ mindlessly hates everything because they're jaded fucks and cannot comprehend people actually having fun and and loving an objectively good game episode

You are all so fucking sad and pathetic. Jesus.

>>718186256
>Verso killed his own made up imaginary creatures
So?

>>718186176
You were not around on release then, fucking everybody thought something similar before they had any context past Act 1

>>718185751
People who make it an allegory for moving on from grief are morally bankrupt.

>>718186256
>they get to come back
You mean someone else comes back.

>>718186316
Every e33 thread has people discussing the game to a shocking degree for 4chan.

>>718186397
No you daft cunt. It's them. They don't have all their memories but it's very explicitly stated that it is THAT Gestral. They get to live again even if they can't remember everything.
It's why Monoco is so protective of Noco. It's still his mentor from when he was young even if he can't remember everything.

>>718186375
I bought it on release and was in the threads after a week because i didn't want fags to spoil me, but i remember calling anyone who thought that a faceblind fag back then too

>>718186316
Fuck are you talking about? I don't think there's a single post in this thread shitting on the game. Even OP is just saying he hates the character, and in the sense of "this character is a fucking dickbag" not in the sense of "this character is poorly written."

>>718186528
>It's them. They don't have all their memories
Anon...

>>718186548
Gustave, Verso and Renoir are all very clearly designed in a way to evoke thoughts that they are connected in some way, even just as a red herring of sorts.

>>718177558
Exactly, if people try to argue who cares about painted people then how is making painted Verso play the piano le evil? He's just paint.

>>718186671
If you lost your memories but still retained your basic personality, would you still be you? I'd say at least to some extent.

>>718186528
Dude, Monoco explicitly says that it will be a different Noco.

>>718186671
What's not to understand here?
Fresh off the respawn machine Noco knows Monoco on sight. He can't recall the expedition team but that's because they're newer to him.
If it's not the same soul why do deeper bonds remain?

what's their endgame?

>>718186869
Cynical answer: networking. Optimistic answer: just enjoying the limelight and taking the opportunity to meet people who made games they love. Probably a mix of both realistically

>>718186690
Only Verso and Gustave because they become the main characters and Verso and Renoir because they are related.
But Gustave and Renoir? That's just a bad case of face blindness

>>718186869
It better be to stay independent. You don't get to escape the Ubisoft dungeons to make a smash hit just to crawl under someone else's porch hoping to be adopted you dumb frogs

>>718186809
>tfw that's an allegory for him being a new puppy
>he can bond with Monoco, the other "dog", but is timid and skittish with humans
>he needs to acclimatize in the village among the rest of the pack first

>le painted world is not... le real?
HAS GAMING FALLEN THIS FAR? HOW THE FUCK DID THIS GET APPROVED? THIS SOUNDS LIKE SHIT FOR LITERAL KIDS. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LIBRARIES?? I THINK THE CANVAS MADE YOU FUCKING RETARDED.
>>718186316
HEAD BACK TOREDDIT FAGGOT THEYRE WAITING FOR YOU THERE

>>718186180
I can appreciate the ending a tiny bit more when I acknowledge that both outcomes are shitty rather than being told that Verso's ending is amazing. But I still don't like how Sciel, Lune, and the rest of Lumiere are just kind of reduced to background props of the final choice and how it focuses entirely on whether or not it means that Maelle can finally move on.

You don't see Maelle reunite with Gustave. You don't see what Lune will finally do now that she's free from her parent's legacy. They're all either killed off for the Dessendre family's character development, or they're voicelessly sitting in the background while the real emphasis is placed on making you feel bad about Maelle falling into her mother's unhealthy footsteps.

>>718186869
Gain enough clout for SE to outsource the next mainline Final Fantasy to them.

>>718184984
He's right. I liked the story we got and the Verso ending, but I also think a traditional JRPG adventure about overcoming the odds in a unique fantasy world would have been more MY type of thing. Thankfully there's other RPGs for that, but it didn't really make me think too much about the end result by revealing the world was just a painting. For a lot of people, it probably took them out of the entire purpose of the expeditions and the goal of the game became something else entirely.

Unless you think the characters within the painting are incredibly captivating, I think it's normal to see the reveal, see who Maelle really is, and then immediately stop giving a fuck about what you were doing before to burn it all down. I really enjoyed the game anyways and I enjoy discussing the story and ending choices, but I think I'd find it more memorable if it was a more traditional RPG story about saving the world. Simplicity and adventure are the best.

>>718187279
When I saw the dogs in the real world it being Monoco the Third makes me think every dog has the same name, the get a puppy when to be dog is middle aged named Noco then it upgrades to Monoco when the old dog dies and the process repeats.
I don't know if that's cute or kind of fucking weird. But it's the French so who knows.

>>718187027
I think you're the faceblind one bro. There very clearly exists a world where you could look at these two characters and think there might be a connection based on the drip fed story during Act 1 and mystery surrounding various things making you attempt to make connections.

>>718184984
Just another retard filtered by a metanarrative. This shit isn't even that deep or subversive if you've read literally any books at all ever in your life but people still have the hardest time squaring away the fact that they care about fictional stories and worlds, but not fictional stories and worlds within another fictional story and world. It's an actual tard filter.

>>718187975
I thought there might be some timey wimey shit going on and that was future Gustave.

>>718187320
I get that it is what they're going for but it does feel a bit too much.

>>718187494
I struggle with my thoughts on it. On the one hand, the game is great and the whole meta angle is a well crafted gut punch, that Lumiere is doomed no matter what. On the other, it would have been nice to just have an earnest story of good people overcoming an evil fate.

>>718187494
It's a tough call because the narrative escalating until it deescalates (becomes just about a family) is interesting, and the conflict is very poignant and great. However, that one expedition journal in Falling Leaves where they embody the idea of the expeditions by literally building a bridge out of their own dead bodies so that the people who come after can use their sacrifice to go further? That shit filled me with the undying spirit of working for something greater than I am. The game did a really job capturing both sides so I wouldn't blame somebody wishing that it just played the idea of carrying the expedition to its end straight. I think they did a good job about it, but the writing is evocative enough on both fronts that I can definitely have fun picturing what could have been if the story was more of a typical JRPG.

If they did it straight, though, I would have preferred they had done something where the expedition slowly dwindles one-by-one after Gustave before being wiped out and the idea is just to set things up perfectly for the Expedition 32, who you then play as and THEY actually finish it. Picking up journal pieces from Expedition 33 to learn about them and get all of the tools they need to stop the Gommage. I feel like it sells the message better if you, yourself, experience the act of losing characters you're attached to to help and guide a team that's going to come later.

Have Expedition 33 finally die out as they create the Barrier Breaker. And then play into the theme more by showing that nobody has any hopes for Expedition 32. Gustave and Lune were everybody's best bets, so if they failed then Lumiere just thinks it's hosed. So Expedition 32 is small (and the members are mechanically way weaker than 32), but all of the other expeditions have everything set up perfectly so that even this hopeless, hapless, unfortunate team can DO IT just because they have the will and drive to finish things.

>when you realize at maelle's birth her mother talking is actually aline talking to alicia
>aline painted alicia into lumiere exactly the way she felt it right and being surrounded by people she cared about
>everybody in lumiere is based on the memories and emotions of aline
>gustave, lune and sciel feel similar to the family, because they are

>>718188151
Playing as Expedition 32, gearing up your party to match the team you've spent the majority of the game with, surpassing them and going on to win would have been magical. Something only video games could achieve as well. If I had to choose a side, I'd definitely pick playing the game straight from the act 1 premise, because something like this scenario could happen.

>PAlicia hopes Maelle is different from her father and sister just like she is so she can find the middle ground perfect ending
>Real Alicia is a gaslighting cunt who'd rather torture her brother she says she loves than let him die
The canvas was hopeless because Alicia has Dessendre female derangement syndrome that makes you have a constant woman moment.

>>718187975
I thought for sure renoir was older gustave when he appeared
It's just that the characters are made with unreal's Character Creator and it has a severe case of sameface
In the prologue Gustave's gf has almost the same face as Maelle, Sciel isn't very far off either and even Lune is quite similar especially the mouth

>>718176406
If it wasn't for the second gommage, I would have completely been for letting everyone in Lumiere live out the rest of their lives
>he needs to take responsibility
He unironically did -- by murdering everyone

>>718188409
none of this is true

I'm tired of killing hands at the beach but I'm told I have to it till I can one-shot the story bosses

>>718188732
Retard.

>>718177512
I love the retards who think Gustave wouldn't. Gustave literally sacrificed himself for the slightest hope of saving Maelle

>>718188489
Blame pVerso. He threw away the happy ending. Literally. pAlicia's letter was titled "A life to dream" in French, which matches up with the names of the two endings we have, "a life to paint" and "a life to love."

>>718188878
Blame pAlicia for not delivering the letter herself.

>>718188784
Alicia being painted over by Aline's chroma wasn't something Aline had any conscious involvement in. Alicia just panicked because she's a fuckup and got swept away.

>>718188878
>He threw away the happy ending.
Dude, Alicia is a cunt and PAlicia just doesn't get the real one.
She is EXACTLY like the rest of her family and she couldn't be more wrong, she's a controlling bitch in permanent denial.
Ironically, Aline painted her nicer than she was.

>>718188987
>Aline had any conscious involvement in
How the fuck would you know?

>>718189002
All the Dessendres deserve to suffer. Alicia's ending is the closest way of achieving that.

>>718189076
Renoir deserved a happy end no matter how much paint you want to huff because some happa bitch got erased.
verso's canvas, he decides and the canonically last two conversations you have with him says he wants to end it.

>>718188784
>Aline and Renoir suddenly have different voices and they're showing a slideshow of Maelle's parents for fun
>the subtitles lie too for some reason
pay attention, moron
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uCaetxHIuY

>>718189204
Retard.

G.O.T.Y.
O.2
T. 0
Y. 2
5

>>718179012
I haven't fought him yet but I was under the assumption that the guy with 4 arms and a purple katana was the wink-and-a-nod to From Soft

In verso's end alicia is literally not moving on and mourns all the cast on top of her brother

>>718189034
Aline being entirely confused by Maelle being present when the Expedition confront her at the end of Act 2 is a pretty big indicator.

I'd say it's quite clearly implied that Alicia being painted over and reborn as Maelle was Alines doing, but not necessarily intentional or conscious, but rather a product of Alicias inexperience as a painter to combat the passive effect of Alines control of the canvas.

>>718189291
That one is.
But Simon is THE reference.

>>718189190
Renoir was a weak and terrible father so let it all happen. Renoir became addicted and needed to be saved by his wife. Aline became addicted and then so did Alicia. Clea is a cunt to them all in their more dire time. They are a terrible family.

>>718189373
>blah blah retarded shit how dare a man make mistakes
Again, go fap to lune pics, legitimately as real as she is in game.

>>718189358
And pVerso literally told her she can just Paint a new canvas with all of them when she leaves, getting her lost in a Painting yet again. He just wanted to die, everything else was an excuse to further his goal of dying.

He was right. If you did anything but side with him you're obviously braindead

>>718189358
>alicia goes to her brother's grave and decides to actually mourn everyone instead of being in permanent denial locked up in her canvas/room

>>718189526
Yes, that's why he sides with renoir instead of alicia in act 3- oh wait. He actually sides with her in protecting the canvas only to see her and her mother go fullretard.

>>718182997
This was me for a minute. Fucking around with different weapon/skill combos helped out a lot. Just play on normal and do goofball builds

>>718175648 (OP)
He is completely right thoughbeit.

>>718189291
yeah he's literally Pontiff Sulvyahn from DS3, even the swords are the same
Simon is Artorias with a bit of Radagon

>>718175648 (OP)
Verso is right because Renoir is right and he's just doing what Renoir couldn't, which is what the original verso would have done, and did, die for his sister.

Riddle me this Versofags; why do you keep coming to these threads? Why do you keep making the same arguments, same insults, the same posts and memes? Instead of moving on you keep coming back.

>>718189840
Absolutely.
If you don't agree you've never truly loved someone

>>718189880
because moving on is hard, it's why sometimes it takes someone else to force you to move on :3

>>718189880
Baiting Maellefags and Lunefags is fun?
Let's be real, if the party was filled with dudes no one would mind they got erased.

>>718175648 (OP)
Verso was a good brother

>>718189880
We're all hypocrites doing the same thing to each other! It's honestly just been a long time since I've loved and discussed a game like this on 4chan. Doesn't help that the game is literally "clair obscur" in that, lots of people are going to have lots of takes and I enjoy reading them.

>>718190053
>implying I wouldn't save my bro Gustave over any of the hoes

>>718190090
I like that both ends are pretty horrible and still satisfying as a story's conclusion
I don't like that autists will fight over which one is definitely 100% the right choice

>fight as maelle
>fight as verso
I hate saying it but Maelle died in the second gommage. It would have been cruel but hilarious if the option was labeled "fight as alicia" instead

>>718175648 (OP)
While I agree with you and don't forgive him for his countless crimes and treacheries, I fully agree with him on doing everything he can to protect his mother. The things he does are right and justified, he just goes about them in the complete wrong way. Aline painted such a perfect copy of her son that even he didn't know it. Renoir called him "He who guards truth with lies", someone who lies and deceives to ultimately lead to something true.

You can excuse things like betraying the expedition because he wanted to save his mother. You can forgive him for lying to Monoco and Esquie and trying to kill them because they understand his pain and don't hate him for it.
But the one thing that absolutely can't be forgiven is not giving painted Alicia's letter to Maelle. Maelle learning the truth before killing the paintress was the one and only possible way for a peaceful ending to be achieved for both families, and Verso ensured it did not happen because he was afraid. At that point he prioritised his wish for suicide above the wellbeing of both the painted world, and the Dessendre family.

>>718190490
>You can forgive him for lying to Monoco and Esquie
They knew, they always knew.

>>718190490
>only possible way for a peaceful ending to be achieved for both families,
This is still an INSANE cope.
You've seen Alicia in act 3, you've seen how she acts, what she does and what her wishes are.
Those are incompatible with getting Aline out of the canvas because she's retarded enough to agree with her.
>if I send her back... Verso gets unpainted as he wishes?
>NOOOOOO MOMMY HELP ME BEAT DADDY YOU CAN STAY ALL YOU WANT HERE
And then she murders PAlicia.

>>718190490
>But the one thing that absolutely can't be forgiven is not giving painted Alicia's letter to Maelle
Maybe she should have told him to read it before sending their mother home.

>>718190490
>peaceful ending to be achieved for both families
Retard.

>>718175648 (OP)
This looks like Nortubel

>>718190490
Giving the letter would be in the same vein as saving Gustave. Certainly the correct and best decisions but PVerso would never. The dude loved to act on his half-baked assumptions while disclosing as little as possible to the expedition

>>718190579
Sadly this. I appreciate Esq for being 100% committed to the canvas and "staying in character" until it was finally time to let go and say good-bye where he was still the wholly supportive imaginary friend

>>718190490
>Dessendres
>Not being a stupid and/or selfish retard
They were always doomed.

>>718189260
yes you are

>>718190490
YOU CANT TRUST JUNKIES RETARD

>>718190490
People love conflating Maelle's personality with Alicia's.
The moment Alicia wakes up during act 2 the whole thing would be an EVEN WORSE end, a literal
>oh look a happy end!
>pan to Alicia and Aline's corpses in the real world
>renoir burns it down

there is no middle ground solution between a life to paint and a life to love

>The music in the final fight literally says
>It's time to say goodbye, until next life
And retards still dont realize verso is right

>>718185751
It is so much more than just an allegory for grief and I am pretty sure even the director has said that. Obviously grief is a big theme of the story, but another one that is just as big is the theme of family and relationships, specifically found families and the relationship between children and those who raise them. They carefully wrote Maelle as a character who lived an equal amount of time in two different worlds with different families, both lives without awareness of the other, both filled with love and loss and grief. And when she does gain awareness of both lives, she realises she felt a greater love from her found family rather than the one she was born in, and she would do anything to protect them. The girl from the outside world wants to protect her family that isn't really her family in the painted world, and the man from the painted world wants to protect his family that isn't really his family in the outside world.

It's also about the significance of art and creation, the reality of the emotions, experiences and memories that humans can find in the artificlal, but that's a whole other post's worth of text.

>for those who come after
For those whose survival is contingent on an enabled junkie (or two). I wouldn't mind knowing what the inside of the canvas is like when no painters are present though

>>718191312
shhhhhhh

>>718191428
>I wouldn't mind knowing what the inside of the canvas is like when no painters are present though

Verso's canvas must've been quite something before all this fighting

>>718191428
Who knows, considering the supposed time lapses and how Aline spent minutes daily, maybe it doesn't move?

>>718191428
>Gustave on a date with Sophie
>Monoco jogging after them
NG+ is kino

>>718191428
>>718191507
>Verso's Canvas
I'm really curious what kinf of painter Verso was. The whole story we learn about the kind of painters Alicia, Clea, Renoir, and Alline are and there philosophies on art but we never really learn about what kind of painter Verso is

>>718191371
>The girl from the outside world wants to protect her family that isn't really her family
... except for the part where she admits she's only doing it because a fake copy of her brother is there as he "dies".
Take out verso of the picture and Alicia would be WAY less invested in the canvas.

>>718191428
how retarded funny it would be if Verso could be there in ng+

>>718191645
A kid who hated painting, made a world filled with dog/paintbrush/anatomy model people and had some adventures in it before focusing on music.

>>718190695
>>718190775
You weren't paying attention during the act 2 ending and I suggest you rewatch it. It's fine, things are pretty confusing without having full context at that point.

>>718191507
The idea of being able to visit an imagination that hasn't grown with its creator is pretty wild to think about. They raised Verso right because if you threw me into a world based on my childhood imagination it would just be power rangers, naked chicks, and expensive sports cars everywhere

>>718191765
Explain yourself then.
Explain how Alicia retrieving her memories would have actually improved the situation.

>>718191839
Sounds like a decent canvas to visit desu

>>718191650
That doesn't go against anything I said. Painted Verso isn't really her family and she knows it. But she loves him all the same and she even loved him before she learned he is a copy of her dead brother.

>>718191963
>and she knows it
... except for the part where she starts calling her brother.
Alicia is in full cope mode by the end and uses painted verso as her real brother.
That's not love by the way, that's extreme cope, if she loved him she wouldn't do what she does in her ending.
Alicia is the real ME ME ME character of the game.

>>718191645
>but we never really learn about what kind of painter Verso is
>painting isn't about verisimilitude
that's kind of all you need to know about Verso's "style" he sort of has no style, he paints with feeling, not an objective or with a goal to increase skill or to make a statement (like Renoir) or to capture something concrete (truth), it's all essence. We also know he prefers music like Lune and enjoys writing moreso than painting.
He is probably the only one in his family that is skilled at painting but truly only enjoys it as a hobby, it's why seeing the little boy/sliver of his soul being forced to paint to keep up this world for everyone else to use to cope with his death is extra sad

>>718192071
The boy enjoys painting, he's only sad because Clea and Renoir is destroying and murdering people.

>>718175648 (OP)
Two things I don't get about him. Why do people constantly say he is a massive liar? As far as I've seen he never lied directly and only whitheld information.
Also, I don't get why he still fights for and with maelle against Renoir at the end, Renoir's goals of destroying the canvas align with verso.

>>718191728
>A kid who hated painting
i don't think he hated painting, he just hated what it was doing to his family and preferred other passions

>>718192137
>The boy enjoys painting
he did enjoy painting but that was ruined by everyone else

>>718192138
Lying by omission isn't lying.
Verso sides with Maelle/Alicia because he actually believes she wants to fix the canvas and move on.
Then he gets mindbroken by Aline and then Alicia during Renoir's fight, but he legitimately was on her side until the end.

Verso was right about everything. Post festering axe wound

But why did Verso bother reviving Noko?

>>718189906
you only think this for one side because the game didn't give maelle a true romantic interest, or that she didn't have kid she raised inside Lumi

>>718192137
he did enjoy painting but now he's tired

>>718192201
>>718192263
He's tired because they're destroying and murdering shit. He'll be fine when they're gone.

>>718192246
He didn't intend to erase the canvas during act 3, MAlicia is good at gaslighting people.

>>718192138
he was always conflicted and wanted to make ammends to the group and he wanted to believe that Alicia would be able to be different from his mother, but after seeing his mother again and seeing Alicia lie to Renoir he lost hope in Alicia

>>718192246
For Monoco's sake, and because he hadn't yet fully committed to omnicide yet.

>>718192312
>He'll be fine when they're gone.
but they will never willingly be gone

>>718181935
Real Verso was sick of being a slave too

>>718188409
>aline painted alicia into lumiere exactly the way she felt it right and being surrounded by people she cared about
Didn't she paint her with her burnt scars precisely because she blames her for verso's death?

>>718191645
From the hints we see I imagine it'd be incredibly whimsical and childish. I mean, the whole thing is that he was more interested in music than painting, right? So most of his painting seemed to be childhood expression, hence why you get silly shit like the Gestrals, Esquie, the Grandis, and so on. It's very boyish. Big tough dudes that like fighting and getting into arguments and also his stuffed animal is the baddest dude that ever lived that will always protect him and can fly and go on cool adventures and there's cool giant snow guys and also a giant carousel over here and a volcano and oh man what if I drew a-

Like >>718192071 he seems the sort that would paint just to be fun and passionate rather than to make something with a grand goal. Which is why the core of his world is so silly and filled with what seems like childish toys.

>>718192138
There's a few "half truths" early on that he tells to intentionally lead 33 astray
>why did i just see renoir?
>oh yeah that guy hahaha yeah he's hard to forget
>why aren't you old?
>paintress made us immortal and prenoir thinks it's a gift lol
Not to mention the obvious
>sorry i couldn't save your friend

>why he still fights for and with maelle against Renoir at the end
I took it as his brotherly instincts kicking in. He doesn't want to get attached to 33 but deep down he's a nice, fun guy who couldn't help himself. Pretty huge slip though


>>718192246
It's what Monoco wanted

I imagine Clea's canvas just has tons of sex nevrons to dick her down

is the music so good in the canvas because Verso is a better musician than painter?

>>718192472
>overworked kid who is stuck in dreamland stasis
>immortal grief deposit who just wants it all to end
The delivery on "I'm tired too" was so damn good

>>718192667
>music so good
>main themes are his parents arguing, telling his mother to fuck off and please alicia just move on already

>>718183330
>Renoir-Verso-Alicia-Paintress before Maelle=Alicia
Based retard mom. In Old Lumière Alicia literally removes her mask and Verso calls Maelle Alicia.

>>718192642
god i love clea and her bush

>>718192138
The man is 90% lies by body weight, but the one he lied to the most was himself.

>>718192667
>in the same moment Verso fucked around and made the silly retard dudes that spend all day kicking the shit out of each other he sat down and went sicko mode on a guitar to make their theme song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXHE2MH9vLU
I want it to be canon because that's based.

>>718191645
>I'm really curious what kinf of painter Verso was
>>718192071
>>718192515
i think Verso was the only one with a healthy relationship with painting, it's not about being perfect or having meaning or discipline or "truth" it's just about having fun and what you feel at any given moment
the Dessendre family sound like ab bunch of pretentious pricks, it's no wonder Verso grew out of painting in his older years

>>718192642
Imagining her trying to be a writer at some point but she was kicked out for only penning smut

>>718192667
i will now believe this going forward, this is canon

Verso is correct in the same way Walter White was correct in poisoning Brock. Meaning they were both correct.
Family >>> all

>>718192830
Well, for Aline and renoir is their passion and job at least, same for Clea I guess (that's why she's pushing 30 and is still unmarried)

>>718192830
Renoir's seems pretty healthy. He likes the process of creating stuff rather than the finished product, which is pretty standard for a lot of artists. It's the women who are a bit crazy. Aline is obsessed with surpassing perfection and painting the unpaintable and Clea is depressed because she won't be able to see/experience all art in her lifetime

>>718192790
>official theme song of fighting your barber to unlock a different haircut
kek

>>718191847
Sure. Painted Alicia's narration of the letter explains it pretty well. Here is the rundown on what she says: It's a war between two families, one of painters and one painted. Some members within each family side with the other family (Aline and painted Verso) but none are willing to understand each other, with the exception of Maelle who has lived in both sides without any bias or awareness from her other life.
"Your family, however, believes only one can survive. But perhaps you'll find another way. You who have lived amongst us. Perhaps you differ from your father and your sister, as I differ from mine. Your mother paints life, whilst your father death. What will you paint?"

That knowledge alone is enough for Alicia to think to herself "What can I do to make Renoir and Aline reconcile, without destroying this world to force Aline out". (which is what she ended up doing since she didn't know). It's not just a pointless theory, it's a fact that the two endings of the game are called "A life to dream" and "A life to love", while the letter is titled "A life to dream", each of those three titles being the name of a track on the OST which lasts 11 minutes long each - they are clearly implied to be three potential outcomes for the future, except one becomes impossible, just a dream.

>>718192642
Clea told Alicia to paint over her throat so she can talk. This means painters can fix any bodily harm done to them. They're also effectively immortal inside the canvas. Clea could live out all the way through type fantasies with all kinds of fucked up monster nevrons inside her canvas and fix the damage done to her whenever she's done.

>Alline, perfect paintress, can create/recreate anything perfectly
>Renoir, very skilled, but has to be motivated to paint, every painting has to have meaning to justify it's existence along witht he time spent on it.
>Clea, paints like a prodigy, every painting must be better than the last, can repaint anything, no flaws are allowed to remain
>Verso, paints well, paints with feeling, paints with no purpose or any effort to have understanding of the world or himself, paints to paint, for fun
Maelle, paintings aren't even good enough to be hung on the wall
lol

Monoco>Maelle>Verso>Sciel>Lune
Speaking of gameplay only

>>718193176
You almost got it, except you got it all wrong.
It's called a life to dream because that's what it is, the hopeful dream of a girl who doesn't know better.
Painted Alicia doesn't know Alicia, she's not her, when she says.
>Perhaps you differ from your father and your sister, as I differ from mine
She's THOROUGHLY wrong. Alicia is her parent's daughter in every single bad way.
It's why a life to dream doesn't even have lyrics beyond aline and renoir arguing.

>>718193176
>Maelle who has lived in both sides
Maelle has only lived on one side.

is NG+ worth it?

>>718191645
>but we never really learn about what kind of painter Verso is
>>718192071
>>718192515
>>718192830
This kind

>>718193176
You sound like an AI, just regurgitating the text without actually offering an answer.
Pretending there is a solution without stating what it could be is just admitting that you don't know a solution yourself.

>>718175648 (OP)
I got bored with the turn-based combat. Boooooring.

>>718193227
>Alicia
ftfy

>>718192138
>As far as I've seen he never lied directly and only whitheld information.
If you replay the game, you will notice that almost every single sentence he says is either a lie or something he ends up later contradicting. Every promise he makes is broken (Unless you do Maelle's ending where she makes him fulfill them), every bond he makes is built on deception and manipulation.

>>718193401
that makes the story even more depressing

>>718193369
It's pretty boring until endgame. Make sure to set enemy HP to x10 or more and it's a bit more of a challenge

>>718192904
hector knew this

>>718193227
Probably why Alicia was more interested in writing based on the books and typewriter in her room, only for that to backfire horribly and got her burned and brother dead.

>>718193574
>I suck at painting
>I like reading
>I'll show my mom I can write
>*burns her brother to death*

>>718193415
Why would I just make shit up about something that the game doesn't elaborate on. The story says it's something that POTENTIALLY COULD HAPPEN, but doesn't happen. I use quotes and references from the game because that's how you fucking explain something from the game, which is what the anon asked for.

>>718191154
This is also the point where she feels backed into a corner though. All of Lumiere is destroyed, her friends got incinerated, the veil was ripped from her eyes by having her fake personality dissolved and Alicia was thrown out into the cold to start making decisions. If she could have had a gentler awakening, a moment to talk to the Curator as Renoir and come up with a plan before he had to spring the second Gommage... Maybe.

Who knows.

>>718190490
>At that point he prioritised his wish for suicide above the wellbeing of both the painted world, and the Dessendre family.
My favorite part about this is the moment you reach her in the third act and she is just so fucking disgusted. She freezes Verso out and has her final moments with the real Alicia before letting herself get killed right in front of him. Stone cold hut he did spit all over her hopes and wishes. Really one of my favorite moments in the game.

>>718193735
Then don't act like it such a world changing fact, when you're just babbling about a vague possibility dreamed up by a broken puppet of a girl.

>>718193827
>Stone cold hut he did spit all over her hopes and wishes
>you are free to give her the letter if you want
>no, not like that

>>718193227
>Maelle, paintings aren't even good enough to be hung on the wall
this is really unfair, it's not her fault she was born after Clea and Verso

I think I'm ready to re-play it bros. ready to experience kino once again and revitalize my desire to btfo every anti-e33 brown in every thread until the GOTY is rightfully secured

>>718193681
but make it into Renoir or Verso

>>718193425
nobody asked, zoomgroid

>>718193920
i haven't replayed the game because it felt like it would've been a disservice to jump back into the story again after everything

The Canvas is all the Dessendres have left of their son. Destroying it won't bring Aline back. It will only destroy the last tie they have to each other.

>>718194038
>The Canvas is all the Dessendres have left of their son
Retard

>>718194038
>forever painted inside our hearts
That's enough.

Reminder that if maelle has her own kid inside Lumi then both sides can come to an agreement. Renoir has to not erase canvas because she can threaten unaliving in the real world for losing her own kid at the hands of her family. While Renoir can also convince her to occasionally leave the canvas because that's the only way for her kid to have a longer life.

>>718193828
Where did I say it's a world changing fact? It's pointless to debate over whether something that doesn't happen should have or could have happened. What I am debating is that Verso ensuring it does not happen is a terribly and scummy thing to do out of fear that he wouldn't get his way. Which it is.

>>718193827
>the disrespectful drop of the letter
>that glaring eyeball
>the graceful and composed hand slowly withdrawing after
It really was perfect

>painters
>writers

but what about the musicians? singers? directors? lifters, lookmaxxers, baiters? gooners?!!!

>>718194240
How would he fear something he didn't even know about before it was too late?

>>718194342
>forced to goon forever because my retarded family can't get over their fight

>>718194038
>Destroying it won't bring Aline back. It will only destroy the last tie they have to each other.
lol

>>718193895
Her opening line is that she's tired of the conflict, she gives it to Verso and tells him the choice to deliver it is up to him.
Because he didn't deliver it in time, chose not to try and end the conflict a different way, she made her mind up to get out then and there.
You can't say she wasn't pissed the way she just stared at him and threw it away.

>>718194342
>directors
the directors sound ominous

>>718194342
>lookmaxxers
how do they fight?

>>718176315
He could have just asked to be erased like painted Alicia, he didn't have to be a bitch about it

>>718187975
>>718188075
Yeah, I thought Painted Alicia and Painted Renoir were future Maelle and Gustave, and the Paintress's number was counting down another time loop or something

>>718193895
Well, she WAS painted to be like Alicia..

>>718194184
The moral of the story is that Gustave should have impregnated Maelle when Sophie decided not to have kids.

>>718180760
Actually I didn't play it until recently and have time give props to the anons in /v/ for the first time, I didn't get spoiled out of anything.

You have to actively going into the threads to see story related discussion

>>718194038
PRenoir was at least somewhat aware that he was forced to put the canvas above all else -- but I like that he rode it out like the "punishment" that it was, same as PAlicia
>yeah we're attoning for the sins of others and we're designed to like it here -- but we do like it here

>>718194530
Who would even erase him? Renoir, I guess, but Verso made the decision to work with him

>>718194574
She was actually in a better position than Alicia herself. Unable to hide the way she did, the painted version reached a level of peace and acceptance. It shows maybe Real Alicia can reach that level of resolve eventually and live up to the promise her father sees in her if she stops hiding from the world.
Or she'll fucking kill herself. Either are options at this moment.

>>718187975
I was right about them not being the same character so who really is the face blind retard?

>>718191371
I agree, but I wanted the ending to have more positive focus on the found family that Maelle chose to protect, and not just on the blatant tragedy of her self-destructing by not being able to leave the canvas without it being destroyed and not letting Painted Verso die because she isn't over the original Verso.

>>718194721
Yeah, but Palicia is like 100 and missing key retardation points from Alicia that Aline couldn't paint-

>>718194716
If he just asked Alicia maybe she would've done it, but he chose to go the deletey route like Renoir. I don't buy that she's "evil". Just selfish, like Verso is too.
(And yes I know "Unpaint me", "I don't want this life", but you get what I mean. If he asked before their conflict.)

>>718175648 (OP)
>I can't remember the last time I hated a game character this much

I can!

>>718194821
That's the ending you chose and they purposefully leave out everything but that.
It's downright unsatisfying how it solves things (not like she even bothered fixing lumiere, except the concert hall).

>>718194586
Not Maelle falling in love with PVerso and then he has to decide if it's worth explaining to her why that would be "unethical or whatever"

>>718194870
Anon it's time to go to sleep.

>>718194553
>oh no everything reset shit we gotta kill everyone before it happens again oh shit oh fuck the nevrons are going to be an issue
Maybe if this was a Yako Taro game, I could see that. Not a bad suspicion though; I kinda tried to force myself to not overthink the first act

>>718195107
I know they had to word it vaguely because Clea may or may not have been defeated. I just wish they had her say send her to her papa, the only one that's locked in to die by that point and honestly atleast one reference to painted Renoire after act 2 other than Alicia calling him a bad portrait would have been nice

>>718194342
musicians are too OP in the e33 universe

>>718195401
I took it as being worded that way just to drive home the point that she doesn't consider Verso her family anymore

my L fags holding that L with their shitty ending

>>718194895
You can show the bad of a choice without ignoring the good. I don't care about Verso bitching about playing the piano, let anyone else have a moment.

>>718191371
>They carefully wrote Maelle as a character who lived an equal amount of time in two different worlds with different families
And then did nothing with it, in the final act when you go talk with Renoir, the only thing Maelle says is "I don't have a life outside this canvas, it sucks having 90% of your body burned, only have one eye and not being able to speak, fuck if I want to comeback lol"

She turns into a egoistic psycho that sucks at lying, Renoir probably just left her there a little bit lore because he was tired and dying already

The mask keeper/Visages tried to keep fighting until the end and Scielle was only able to overcome because she didn't hide her trauma or her feelings
Why did Sirene then incapacitate everyone except Lune, and even gave her the opportunity and ideal location to kill her and harvest her heart?
I originally thought it was because being created by Renoir they would have wanted to die so it could go to someone on his side but the behavior of Visage to keep trying to kill them goes against that.
Just felt weird to me.

>>718195563
everyone did have their moment
you're ignoring sciel with her husband, lune enjoying being there, gustav's apprentice, gustav with sophie
all of them very happy and excited to be there

>>718176896
>>718177026
Was I the only one who got the weapon that let him do a base attack as a free action and refused to use anything else?

>>718187657
It is (or at the least was) a French tradition to name dogs like that, yes. Not uncommon in a home with two dogs for the older dog to "teach" the puppy and then when the puppy becomes the older dog... you get the idea. Monoco is reasonably bummed out over not being able to teach his "new" mentor the same way his mentor taught him.
I have an older dog who is excellent with puppies and there is something special about seeing those younger dogs grow up with the "rule set" that was given to them by my dog who was given her rule set by older dogs before her

>>718195752
Pretty much. Verso was my utility character so a free auto attack then cast the buffs/have the AP to fire off some shots.
Having access to a diluted form of Cheater early on really was addicting.

>>718195629
Sciel doesn't hide who she is
Lune doesn't waste time with wonders

>>718184590
who is this can you link the video?

>>718188151
That would have been awesome

>>718176098
Erm the BG3 steam chart bots are still going!!!

>>718195752
I used that one for the entirety of Act 2, and then picked up Corpeso in Dark Shores immediately in Act 3. The game spawns you there and I just took it without engaging combat and kept it for the rest of the game. I basically just stack burns with shots and combo attacks, no skills needed. I learned later that it's a pretty popular build, but I came up with it on my own

>>718195629
I took it as
>keeps trying to enchant everyone
>it's by far the most effective on Lune
>but she's still snapping out of it like everyone else
>as a last resort when weakened, tries to REALLY mind control Lune up close and personal
>Lune either is charmed and snaps out of it, or is merely pretending
>the mission is more important to her
>betrays her
>explode, dead

>>718195872
Yeah that's why they're immune, my point is that I don't get why Sirene essentially committed suicide by giving Lune a lift right to her throat where she could be finished off

>>718195629
>sirene gives everyone what they want
>lune wants to see the mission through

>>718178672
I loved that about Xenoblade. It even remembered what equipment you had on during flashbacks.

>>718191371
you are only saying this because the author director came out and said so. He isnt good enough of a writer for this to be apparent in the story. He wants people to see his art how he sees it, not for what it is. Which is ironic considering Renoir's most iconic line

>>718195992
I mean maybe? I guess I just never read any ill intent in the action. I could just be bad at reading the scene or intentions of a faceless creature.

>>718196089
That actually makes more sense to me honestly. Defeat the creature that shows you what you want to entrap you by wanting its heart. Classic fairytale shit

>>718188151
I like the concept, but don't know if they'd be able to make me care about an entirely new team after setting up and losing the first one.

I think I'd just as soon have the team dwindle one by one until Maelle succeeds as the only survivor. Losing the found family she built as comrades, but carrying on their sacrifice that would allow her to return to a home that she once felt out of place in but can now find the spirit to build something with hope for the future for the first time.

>>718177640
>not Gestral Maelle and Bald Verso
>in their swimsuits

>>718195880
joseph anderson, he's more of a streamer than a youtuber these days so there's no video about the game yet, he's just streaming it right now and hated the plot twist

>>718190490
Yeah, that's the sticking point for me too. Denying Maelle the truth, denying his painted sister that one moment of agency and connect so he could burn it all down.

It might not have fixed everything, but we'll never have the chance to know.

>>718195752
Yeah, that's what I used. I basically loaded him up with Base Attack boosts
>AP on base attack
>combo attack
>base attack bonus after free aim shot
>Powerful on base attack
>Defenceless on base attack
>Lifesteal on base attack
Then I'd base attack to generate a pile of AP, play again, and use it for End Bringer with the 1 turn buffs. Pretty whacky shit.

>>718196435
>and hated the plot twist
the mark of a brainlet

>>718194409
Pisses me off that even at the funeral no one pays any attention to the crippled teenage daughter that half of the family blamed for everything.

>>718176280
Go play the game instead of lurking here like a retard then.

>>718175648 (OP)
he is morally right you fucking dunce

>>718196039
maybe Renoir sees Aline as suicidal

>verso's last words
>help me. I dont want this life
I need verso fags to know.

>>718195693
we named the dog monoco

>>718196531
Yeah, I upgraded Base attack and free aim shots so he could start every turn unloading his gun (which double-marked enemies) and then base attack to immediately get max AP back.

>kinda look like verso but i'm bald
>ah well can't be helped
>>718196347
>bald verso
>look it up
God fucking damn it

>maelle's last words
>don't leave me again
reminding myL fags this was all about Verso, not the peopl of Lumiere

>>718196595
I mean to be fair it's a small family funeral. We don't know how long it's been since the dissolution of the canvas. There could have been a reconciliation, and this is a quiet moment for everyone to think on what Verso meant to them.

>>718194870
I think most fans find Morgana vaguely annoying. At least in terms of him throwing a fit over Ryuji talking back once after Morgana had been dumping on him the entire game.

>>718196561
only people that watch nothing but anime and don’t read think the reveal was genius. Framing human conflict through a magical property is basic YA fantasy

>>718196959
Who said it was genius? It's hardly even a "twist", much less a hateable one, if you're paying any attention, thus the brainlet.

>>718197134
you implied it by calling another person who hated it a brainlet. Just because you think think the game is a masterpiece doesnt mean it holds a candle to actual literaturet

>>718196959
explain why anyone would hate the "twist"
because the idea that
>it negates the entirety of the game you've played up to this point by telling you that sciel, lune and monoco aren't real
is genuinely retarded.

>playing expedition 33 after a long break and just hanging around before doing the maelle ending
>decide to come back to flying water again after a long while
>hearing that bubbly and just admiring the area
I love this game

>>718192138
He lies the first second you meet him when he said he couldn't save Gustave.

>>718197264
Top 10 books?

>>718184984
Nah. It’s particularly JRPG tradition for the plot to get more complex as the game progresses. From the moment Painted Renoir is introduced, it obvious that there’s more to the story than what there initially seems to be. “Kill the Paintress and save the day” would have been a very boring ending if there was nothing to complicate it.

>>718197398
To be fair the first one or two things out of him aren't lies
>go on ahead, i'll take care of things
Damn near everything after that, it's almost hilarious how often and casually he lies

>>718197293
Well it’s a pretty common opinion so it must hold some merit. Some people also think Joel should have let Ellie die it doesn’t mean they are idiots, it’s just how they interacted with that particular piece of art

>>718197310
Fuck you, shill

>>718197563
the game is attempting you quesiton what "real" is
anyone who goes "they're not real" are the same fuckers that can't imagine what it was like if they didn't eat breakfast.

>>718197563
"Pretty common" is being very generous. Obviously it's going to be a fairly prominent sentiment because the game is pretty popular and a lot of retard normalfags who only watch marvel movies are playing it, but most people talking about the game online accept the twist I'd say. The polarizing part of the story is the motives of characters like Verso, or the ending. Not many people hit the end of act 2 and unironically just run to an internet forum to shout "OH WHAT SO NONE OF THE FIRST ACT EVEN MATTERED?" because most people are smart enough to understand that isn't what it means at all.

>>718196561
depends on how it's done. there's a reason why 1899 didnt get renewed on netflix

>>718197563
It's "pretty common" among retarded braindead streamers maybe

This is how I like to imagine Renoir when he gommage'd his painted copy

>>718197904
Honestly Renoir was the only one that actually gave a shit about the people in the painting. He even paused when PaintRenoire was saying how much he loved his family.
Clea, though, she would definitely have that face. Bitch will make and break anything to get the job done

>>718185259
The thing is that E33 is a generic JRPG plot to a tee:

>party of colourful characters go on a quest to kill a god
>one of the main characters is a teenager
>party member dies in an anime-esque “honourable sacrifice” scene
>main villain is this mysterious edgy looking guy that speaks in cryptic riddles
>late game plot twists that recontextualise the whole game, and also reveal the plot to be far more complicated than you’re initially led to believe
>combines melodrama with occasional tongue-in-cheek humor

If it had an anime aesthetic, it would be indistinguishable from any other JRPG in terms of its premise.

>>718197758
>>718197817
It’s pretty common to where a large chunk of discussion in these threads is dedicated to whether the people in the canvas are real or not. And THAT you know for a fact you can’t deny. Go look in the archives at 90% of the E33 threads it’s literally hard coded into the ending argument if they are real or not. You are lying through your teeth to prove some point but you’re wrong

>>718198080
Clea's disregard for paintings was great

>>718198146
name 5

>>718198164
Francois deserves better

>>718198164
Child Verso even said she grew up and got more important friends. Clea really views everything in here as a toy she used to love as a child at best or a mockery to be defaced at worst.
It's almost hilarious how a utilitarian attitude like that is so fucking callous when we see the actual consequences of the Canvas she either has not or refused to acknowledge

>>718198387
sounds like a typical woman to me

>>718198273
Almost every FF.

>>718198440
Not 1,2,4,5,7,11,12,14 or Tactics (though some of these could come close)

>>718198147
Sure, but arguments over whether or not the people within the painting are sentient isn't the same as "nothing in the entire first act mattered".

>>718198440
name them
ff2 doesn't have 1/2 of the list
ff6 doesn't have half of the list
ff7 counts (despite yuffie being optional)
ff16 has no humor

YOU FUCKS MURDERED FRANFRAN

>>718198572
7 comes very close. The only way it misses is the fact that there aren’t any teenage party members (except Yuffie).

>>718175648 (OP)
>that the fanbase is trying to gaslight me into thinking is morally right
That just shows you how well written of an emotional manipulator and liar he is.

>>718175956
They are all real, you retard and people who can be reanimated are not dead.

>>718198657
I would take 7 out of my post if I could; I was being hasty because of the auto-sage

>>718176002
He's handsome and sad. Fuck having other people and stuff.

>>718176715
He is a painting, you monkey.

>>718198387
What she did to Painted Clea is especially fucked

>>718177045
I don't think written Verso would have driven his sister into suicide for his own gain. Especially not twice.

>>718198793
Whatever the fuck she did was more than just repainting. Some force repelled her when she tried to reach out to Verso before she killed herself.
She wanted that painted Clea to fucking suffer

>>718176767
That would have been the ending where Verso gave Maelle the letter.

>>718179191
>>718178971
People who think the writers need more explanation than they got slightly confuse me.

>>718199021
I haven't fought Simon yet but I think the name alone is honestly enough
>oh magic getaway paintings... books, okay

>>718188489
>>Real Alicia is a gaslighting cunt
Tremendous Verso projection. Remember when Verso killed his wife? I bet you don't.