Thread 718193591

let's have a "classic" diablo thread

about to fire up the PS1 port for the 1st time any tips of starting with each class,are mages actually viable compared to the warrior class?

seems like rogue's got the short end of the stick can't even survive 1 round against the butcher?

I heard diablo II & the 3rd game completely changed things up being more like the older gauntlet games?

>>718193591 (OP)
mage is the best class in the game.
rogue is the worst.

>>718193591 (OP)
I beat Diablo on PS1 as a warrior. Wouldn't recommend it on account of needing to kill every single mob on each floor to be strong enough to take on the next floor. Not a fun experience.

>>718193591 (OP)
Any reason why you're playing the PS1 version for your first time?

>>718193714
Rogue is the best class in the game
Rogue is the worst class in the game
Fixed it for ya.

DRUID

>>718194362
I just thought it would be a fun port buts seems to be missing some stuff from the PC version like the stash and ability to transfer characters

but other then that game runs and plays fantastic,wonder why they didn't bring 2 on it or the PS2?

Which is the most consistent archetype throughout the series? Barbarian? Sorceror/Wizard? Necromancer? Paladin/Crusader?

https://d07riv.github.io/diabloweb/

Works on mobile well

>>718193591 (OP)
going by PC version
>Don't melee yellow zombies (I believe they are called Black Death).
>It's ok to skip bosses until you're stronger (Leoric, Butcher).
>Look up what shrines do before interacting or don't touch them at all, wrong one can completely screw you over.
>Mage is easymode becase you'll only ever need Magic. Warrior and Rogue need to compromise between Str/Dex and Vitality/Magic.
>Loot RNG is wild. You can find endgame gear on 2nd floor or get nothing but junk for 10 levels.

>>718195680
>loot is wild

your telling me hah,just found this for the 1st time after killing the butcher how rare was this?

>>718196417
that one and Leoric's crown should be a fixed drop
it's decent damage this early in game but 10/10 durability is kinda garbage

>>718193591 (OP)
The butcher will assrape any character the first time you encounter him unless you have a gorillion health potions. Rogue is fine. Generally you come back and kill him after you've cleared a couple more floors, or find a way to cheese him.

>>718195105
Definitely Necromancer/Druid

>>718195680
On PC you can save anywhere, any time. It was good practice to save in front of some shrines and cauldrons.

>>718198032
>that feel when you find one in the middle of the goats demons

>>718193591 (OP)
D1 is kino. Playing it on PC with the DevolutionX mod (just enable the few QoL options and larger resolution/wide screen support) is a good time.

>>718195105
woman with a bow or magical minority
>Rogue
>Amazon
>Demon Hunter
>Rogue again

>Sorcerer
>Sorceress
>Wizard
>D4 has a character creator, but the sorceror's order still originates in sandland

>>718193714
That's not bard anon

>>718195105
Theres only 2 games in the series so mage >sorc i guess

>>718193714
warrior is objectively worse than rogue.
>>718193591 (OP)
if i recall the ps1 version only has the singleplayer version of the game (even when local multiplayer is enabled). This means farming might be a little more difficult since you have to go through the more annoying lazarus fight over and over. The upside is you can play all the single player only quests with a friend if you have one to play with but whatever

Use a bow against the butcher and trap his pathing in the stairs down. Nobody survives well against the butcher, even the warrior is best off just using up random bows he finds and slowly whittling him down through a grate or trapped in the stairs down.

learn what shrines do before you click on them. the hidden shrine can make things indestructible if you lower the items durability to 0 with it. this is only really needed for the thinking cap if you want to play a sorcerer, and using the +spell level items is really not required, a more tanky sorcerer still obliterates things endgame.

You can buy +attribute potions from the witch later on, just add points to stats that help you now they all get maxed out later.

At high levels rogues get most of their damage from dex and their character level so attack speed is the most important bow stat, making shortbow of switftness the best bow. I cant remember what level this occurs at.
Your character level plays into the hit calculations so higher base armor is not required, freeing you up to use the weaker base items with bigger affixes that you couldnt roll on the higher base items. It was fashionable at a time to just play warriors with low ac and grow into your national level based defensive capability. this teaches proper movement techniques, provided you have a shield your defenses are solid 1v1 anyway.

Dont be afraid to use melee or magic as a rogue they are capable with everything and this can help you through normal mode.Later on a rogue can teleport around and chain lightning trash like a sorc

>>718199982
>implying

anon aren't you forgetting something

>>718193591 (OP)
OP, the PC port supports controllers too and has all the content

>>718200217
I believe he is invoking fanon discontinuity.

>>718199792
the one time I've tried bard I dropped Gnarled Root early on and wecked everything

>>718194071
you are supposed to clear every level before moving on

>>718194931
>wonder why they didn't bring 2 on it or the PS2?
I'm sure you'll be able to figure it out once you fire up your other brain cell.

>>718200174
Actually it did have local co-op only no online at the time wasn't really a thing till way later on the PS2 & Xbox

>>718194931
There is no stash in Diablo 1, period. It's not missing anything. If you saw a stash in Diablo 1 that's a mod. You don't need stash at all in vanilla singleplayer.
>>718196417
It's an unique, probably the most common drop you could find.
>>718193591 (OP)
Mage is the best class in the game on PC and it's not even close. With shitty controls it might be different.

>>718202073
thanks anon

>>718193591 (OP)
I want From Software to helm a remake of the original Diablo.

>>718203005
Maybe in the old king's field days but after demon's soul's I don't think they have it in them anymore

>>718200217
Diablo on a console? How disgusting

>>718203984
It was great fun to play with a friend over a weekend..You do have friends that you play games with, right anon?

to defeat the diablodemon, attack it until it dies

>>718193591 (OP)
Why did they memoryhole D1? They seriously never bothered to officially rerelease/support it and all story beats take after D2

>>718204163
Tried that once, the game was so dull we ended up making out instead.

>>718198032
My brother saved right as he was hit by 1000 succubus fireballs, the second you loaded his save you would just hear the death scream instantly, no way to survive. He was so pissed, we laugh about it now when we bring it up...good times.

>>718204259
I have no clue. I can't even download the copy I got in the Battle Chest from Blizzard anymore. Maybe I'm misremembering this, but I thought I could download an installer for it as well as D2 and LOD.

>>718204163
What game isnt fun with friends?

>>718204259
while it was groundbreaking at the time d2 and lod mogged it completely, a remake probably wouldn't be considered a good investment.
considering how bloated budgets are now it would be like a 3-4 year dev cycle with a 300 million dollar budget for a game that that can be beaten in a sitting.

>>718204259
It's well over 20 years old m8

>>718204259
Diablo 2 didn't change anything about the story. Diablo 1 set it all up and it followed in all the other games. If you read the Diablo 1 manual you can tell they were already working on Diablo 2 before it shipped.

>>718204443

risk of rain 2

>>718204259
Why didn't they roll the D1 campaign into the D2 remake?

>>718201839
NTA, he was saying that it was the singleplayer quests, even in multiplayer mode.

>>718205196
that was a remaster of Diablo 2

>>718205540
Answer the question.

>>718194362
click to move is cancer

diablo is mid as fuck. i just dont get why its so loved

>>718206214
It was literally the first handful of fully "3D" roguelike" from an era where Nethack was seen as the peak of traditional actual action role playing games

>>718205015
I don't think they were already working on a sequel, they just padded the manual with some loredump that ended up being used in D2. Same way Warcraft 1 had loredumps that ended up being used by W2, W3 and in parts all the way into WoW.

>>718206214
it's a short atmospheric arpg in pure conceptual form unburneded by excessive lootwhoring, autistic build optimization, or any such bloat that plagued its successors (both direct and spiritual)
sure there's jank, poor balance, dupe exploits, and things that can irreversibly fuck up your build, but fundamentally none of that needs to bother you on an individual run (be it normal only or all the way to hell)

>>718205860
>too stupid to understand the answer

Are Diablolikes just RPGs for people that don't like RPGs

>>718193591 (OP)
Is the PS1 port any good?

>>718207042
I just want a necromancer simulator

>>718206420
still unmatched in mechanical interactions

>>718207162
only if you are a teenager having a sleepover with your friend.

>>718203984
D3 on console was amazing actually. If you played the Dark Alliance games, the game plays just like those.

>>718207162
It's great just keep in mind the load time between zones can be 10 seconds or longer

>>718206214
Its alot more fun than chuck.yeagers air combat or jetstrike tbf

midnight bump

>>718206902
But the loot grinding was always there from the start with blue items & yellows?

>>718193591 (OP)
dude just play the PC port, it has 3 times more soul than the PS1 version, which literally looks like a java phone game from 2009

>>718207042
RPGs are video games for people who don't like video games, and diablolikes are a subgenre of RPGs for people who are too casual and dumb for even that

>>718210949
>phone game

Are you implying that's a bad thing,those games had pure soul and absolutely ooze atmosphere

Bump

What people don't appreciate is Diablo II's design was just as incredibly steeped in atmosphere and worldbuilding and ambience as Diablo I
It was only Diablo III where shit hit the fan and it became a mobile game with retarded flashing lights and UI overload and lootwhoring.
It followed with all the other subsequent games in the genre

You could play through the entirety of both Diablo I and Diablo II as an in-universe character who explores and acts within the limitations of a human with access to gear/spells. You don't can keep the loot names toggled off, minimize UI, appreciate how you walk down stairs into a dark room and some carvers hidden in the shadows come lunging out at you
Diablo II had it in droves, the harem, the jungle, the ice caverns
I'd say only the rushed and mediocre execution of act 4 hell felt at all like the sequels, everything in act 4 is so flat and it lacks any kind of lighting or ambience. But the rest of the game is just so incredible

Now contrast that with the direction NU-ARPG games took, POE has you flying around with 5000 particles on screen and entire screen dying instantly and 1000 effects active

>>718193591 (OP)
How does it play on PSP

>>718215547
runs at solid 30FPS but had no shoulder buttons

>>718208459
don't forget it supported four players out of the box no online required

>>718195413
>can't even talk with the town's folk

Huh????

>>718215458
It looks like fucking torchlight or something cartoonish

D1/D2 were made like if you wanted to create the most atmospheric possible version of isometric graphics
D3 was made like you wanted to create a generic chinese mobile game with everyone wearing diablo hats

>>718217380
You can partly blame WoW for that with their huge shoulder armor sets

>>718204369
just do a death run
death is mostly meaningless in diablo
more so if you're a mage

>>718217629
that reminds me which classes were great with bows in the 2nd game,was it amazon that had some skills tailored to bows or was that the rogue/assassin's?

>>718200174
>warrior is objectively worse than rogue.
Okay but who killed Diable and grugged his soul into his skull and who died as the first boss of Act 1 in Diablo 2?

Yea, that's what I thought.
Bitch.

I played this game first time last year, im a huge Diablo 2 fan, used to speedrun it too.
The game is doing its own thing, its slower pace and more about atmosphere, but goddamn is it barebones. The voice acting is great and music too - pretty much everything productionwise is Golden Era Blizzard Quality. Memorable stuff.
D1 walked so D2 could run, as D2 is just overall improvement to the game.

>>718193591 (OP)
mage is the most op
diablo 2 just expanded everything. more classes, more skills, more weapons, more everything. It is what a sequel should be.

>>718217739
zons are the only class that has default bow skills in diablo 2
but
they are almost entirely useless self-found, in classic or otherwise normal gameplay

Sorceress ironically has an easier time getting enchant + exploding arrows from various easily acquired sources to become a more competent low gear character, and eventually scaling to a better geared lategame now that enchant is buffed on ranged.

Geared up zons are great too, but much weaker than javelin builds and more expensive to get pieces. Full powered best in slot with enigma, windforce, faith merc, etc you can spam multishot to wipe screens at a time but its still slower than throwing a single lightning fury and everyone dies and boss killing speed is trash

I literally forgot Diablo 1 even existed, all I ever play is Diablo 2.

>>718193591 (OP)
Classes have different speeds with attacking with melee, ranged, and magic cast speeds. Warrior is the easiest to start with but gets "harder" later on because it is often melee centric unless you devote points into magic. It's all up to you if you want to do dual builds with the Warrior and rogue. Fire walls are pretty useful to section off areas and to kill monsters. Sorcerer is weak at the start, but is stupidly powerful later on with chain lightning, fire ball, and the ultimate survival spell Mana Shield. You can pretty much just devote some points into strength for gear and everything else into magic as a sorcerer, then save up for a mana shield book.

It's worth playing each class once, but you can just relegate Diablo 1 as a once a year play through.

>>718217856
>barebones

Not really at the time nothing really was similar anon

>>718217950
and think like there's 3 stages of gear

early/mid/late
early bowazon struggles to get something better than a +50% ed rare bow with ~20 base damage
mid they can have a buriza and maybe upgrade it, that's when they start to actually get good
late you can have windforce/faith

being stuck with bows/crossbows in the 20-50 damage range is horrible and unplayable. Buriza/upped buriza kicks it to 200+ damage range. Windforce/faith you're getting 300+
with lots of dexterity, some % ed on equipment, a might merc, %critical, max synergy in d2r, your multishot maybe gets maybe 10-20x your base damage from mid to lategame. A zon with a shit rare in norm/nm maybe does 200 damage per hit, a zon with a top gear endgame hell does 6000 per hit

Now look at sorceress
With +0 skills and max enchant, warmth & fire mastery, enchant adds +1530 fire damage per hit. And hits everything in an aoe. And if it pierces it can hit multiple times in an aoe per arrow to shotgun dense mobs, so if it blows up 5 times on 5 cows they each take 5x the damage, from one hit.
With +20 skills that becomes +11777 fire damage, with all the same shotgun effects
And then she can boost it with facets, conviction aura merc, etc
Basically bowazons are bad joke

>Be idiot kid in 1st grade
>My uncle lets me play with his computer while he's doing drugs
>Play warrior
>Game lets me succeed with 2 handers for a while
>Go down a level
>Infinite Skeleton NIGGERS shooting at me with arrows and running away
>Shot to death chasing one nigger while the other niggers continue to chase me
>Equip a shield
>Stunlocked to death without being allowed to do anything
>Somehow make it through
>Go down another level
>Infinite Demon NIGGERS shooting at me with magic and running away
>The deeper I go the fancier the nigger shooting at me with a fancier projectile

>>718194931
It's only missing Hellfire which had a mixed reception anyway. It does have couch co-op though which the PC version absolutely does not have.

>>718200217
chinese mobile game not related?

I've tried to play through Diablo 2 four different times and I always quit by act 3

>>718221831
doubt it

>>718204259
Didn't they rerelease it on some digital store?

>>718193591 (OP)
go warrior and unga bunga until things die
no thought required

>>718204369
>1000 succubus fireballs
haha oh no

>>718193591 (OP)
I played this shit as a mage and it was annoying only having access to 4 spells

>>718221831
The sad truth is they started to run out of money by act 3. Those blowdart pygmy niggers and their jumanji flamethrower nigger shamans probably indirectly contributed to the game being worse. Act 4 is like a town where the motherfuckers don't have any dialogue or lore and you just kill some cellulite ass play doh demons.

>>718217948
Yeah, mage was busted even in D1 if you knew what you were doing. Once you got mana shield and some decent spell stacks, you could just annihilate whole rooms without breaking a sweat. D2 just ran with that idea and let sorc go full nuclear. Static field, frozen orb, teleport - she could clear screens faster than anything else without even taking a hit. Honestly, feels like they designed the rest of the classes first and then asked, “How can we make one that invalidates all of this?”

>>718217380
Torchlight was good.

>>718227415
it really went ugly there

I love how simple and streamlined D1 is. It's a great action horror combo. When you finally do get the powerful spells like chain lightning, they feel appropriately "arcane".

Nightmare and hell difficulty were a big fucking mistake and should have stayed as a kludge to keep people grinding D1 multiplayer for longer

>>718227773
Funny thing was, it turned out there was a PC version being developed after all. They were just too adamant about pushing the mobile platform.