Thread 718207028

It's some of the most influential fantasy fiction of all time, ripped off by The Witcher, Final Fantasy, and Game of Thrones. It has an absolutely kino main character and setting and yet it has 0 adaptations. Why?

It had 2 videogames cancelled and a TV show in development, but nobody picked it up because executives thought it was too similar to The Witcher.
It's cursed at this point

>>718207028 (OP)
lmao this nigga named more cock

>>718207193
>too similair to the Witcher
Wtf how, only similarities are white hair and antihero, everything else including the adventures they go on and world are completely different

>>718207028 (OP)
Nice try Razorfist, stick to telling everyone on /his/ on how Lincoln deserved to get shot

Razorfist is a hack and doesn't even stick to his own contrarian opinions

>>718207964
It's objectively true. Haven't watched the video but the only evidence needed is
>didn't ship them all back

>>718207916
Idk but that came directly from Moorcock. Pale white hair guy with a sword is too many similarities i guess

Damn name a more badass character than Eric from Melbourne

>>718207916
>only similarities are white hair and antihero
And that's enough for the average normalfag

>>718207028 (OP)
Moorcock himself seems to not think highly of Elric, atleast in comparison to his other characters, I think he even made a joke about him liking BBC once

>>718207028 (OP)
Because >>718207193 ,
But give it a decade after they stop raping Geralt's corpse and some big Youtuber finding Elric and we'll get vidya soon enough

>>718208385
isn't the brown one also a different version of Elric, like that pirate one with artificial limb and eye?

>>718207028 (OP)
Make it a VR game with a talking sword running on chatgpt and we'll have gold

>>718207028 (OP)
You had that guy from Hellboy who looked suspiciously liked Elric

>>718207028 (OP)
Witcher is just an Elric Ripoff, Batman is a Shadow ripoff. Thief is the best stealth game.

>>718207028 (OP)
You forgot Warhammer.

>>718207028 (OP)
Just cosplay Elric in Elden Ring.

>>718208385
wasnt Moorcock mostly drug addled when he wrote?

Hehehehe More Cock.

>>718209437
You do know that Moor is an actual word, right?

>>718207028 (OP)
too emo and gay, has an evil sword that sucks dick

>>718207339
It's worse
it's moor cock
aka nigger cock

>>718209547
Yes but it's pronounced more and is funnier.

>>718209553
pretty sure it only wants to suck his dick
also, it's a "she"

>>718207028 (OP)
>make 20 dogshit rpg threads
>oh things aren't bad enough yet
>now here's more threads on my grimderp pulp genre fiction
>kino kino kino comfy kino comfy comfy
What would be lost here if OP was permanently banned? What thread is worse than these?

>>718207028 (OP)
Normalfags hate based sword and sorcery, they only want "grounded" low fantasy slop

>>718210743
It's genuinely enough to make me not want to use /v/ any more and it's not like I consider this place a bastion of quality.

>>718208385
He's probably just annoyed that he peaked over 60 years ago and nobody ever gave a shit about those "Eternal Champion" books he kept writing. But he wrote a new Elric book a few years ago when he was like 80

>>718210747
If that's the case then good news:
the same author wrote Corrum and Hawkmoon which are exactly that

>sneecher ripped off elric saga
>snk ripped off eternal champion
but honestly? I'm glad this cringe atheist old ass boomer geek will never be a thing, even after his death
he's 'cook' indeed

>>718211368
Didn't Miyazaki also say he ripped off Eternal Champion for ER?

>>718211368
Who gives a shit, you cringe idiot

>>718211368
/thread.

>>718209321
It's a kino design template

>>718209321
i love that movie.

>>718207028 (OP)
it's pure fucking garbage

>>718211368
>"hurr durr it ripped off this it ripped off that"
Any post modernism bullshit is ez as pie concept which can come up within 10 seconds
I don't feel anything bad for boomers & genxniggers, no, ack!tually I wish them die as miserable as possbile
These motherfuckers ruined everything

>>718209321
Del Toro said he was a big Elric fan in Cabinet of Curiosities. It's actually crazy how many character designs he's influenced. The creator of Legacy of Kain said he influenced Kain's design too

>>718207028 (OP)
I never read Elric but i've read all six books fo Corum. While they are kind of interesing i think he's a weak protagonist with just do what others tell him to do.
Is Elric the same?

>>718207916
>the only similarities are white hair and anti-hero

Yeah
and chaos VS law VS balance
And the conjunction of spheres
And now that I think of it if you look at the consequences of their roles as objects of chaos, stormbringer and ciri are basically the fucking same
Also both our main characters have a habit of shacking up with women they murder a little later
And you know "White Wolf"

>>718207028 (OP)
>ripped off by The Witcher
Ummmm acktually Sapkowski says he's never heard of this series so that's that

>I guess I'll let my plotting cousin who's tried to kill me thrice by now live
>plot requires me to be retarded to move forward
>author so bored of you he made 67 copies of you and called you eternal champion because nobody wants to read your story
trash character
trash writing
mediocre concepts
conan ripoff while pretending to not be conan ripoff and claiming everyone else is ripping you off

>>718212010
you don't understand, both mcs have WHITE HAIR this is literally plagiarism

>>718211743
People who don't read fantasy genuinely don't understand just how influential Elric was.

For most people, they know the surface level stuff. They're aware of Tolkein and Martin, and if they're really, really adventurous they might even have heard of Sanderson, Pratchett and Dreyfuss.
But the reality is the fantasy genre, and especially Sanderson and Martin and Sapkowski, owe a lot to Elric of Melnibone.
When Tolkein and Lewis came up with the fantasy genre conventions, they terminated thought there. When Moorecock came along and broke them, he opened the genre for everyone to come and write anything in fantasy paint. I'll take it as far as there is no Star Wars without Elric.
So much of the visual language of Elric informs what we view as the aesthetic of evil in fantasy today. Long hair, spiked armour, dour, Vampiric features. All Elric.

I do wish his series got more love, but the reality is, anything deeper than Sanderson in fantasy is unmarketable to normies.

>stuck in tv show limbo since forever
>finally some news a couple of years ago
>tv show writers talk about how few female characters there are in the book
>one is lucky and the other a prostitute? yikes
>we will have to girlboss them up a bit ;)
good thing nothing came of it
hopefully larry is holding the wokes back from destroying his story

>>718209385
Aside from the Chaos gods stuff Commorragh is basically Imrryr with all the fucking, drugs and fetishistic torture

>>718207028 (OP)
I can only imagine the type of idiot that reads Moorecock garbage. Pic related.

>>718211835
Literal cherrypicking. They have fuck all in common. Fucking Bloodraven from ASOIAF is an Elric ripoff. Geralt and Elric have next to nothing in common and asserting otherwise is done by people who have clearly read neither.

>>718212379
lol boomerwriting everyone

>>718212010
I don't get how the Witcher is the one that ripped off Elric when GRRM literally stole Valyria from it, made Elric in all but name an important character in the Dunk and Egg novellas, and named one of the regions for one of its villains and GW stole Chaos, the entire faction down to the symbol, from it; yet somehow the Witcher is the one that keeps being brought up. Does it really come down to a white-haired protagonist being called White Wolf?

>>718211421
It was probably grrm

>>718212136
>Pratchett
I'm going to recommend you another scottish satirical fantasy writer - Robert Rankin. While his books technically aren't directly connected for the full effect it is better to read them in release order beginning from the very beginning.
>>718212503
And for you i'm going to recommend the 1998 movie "The Avengers", which is an adaptation of 1960 series "The Avengers" and is about British counterintelligence (and have nothing to do with Marvel, only the name is the same).

>>718211817
I never read Corum but Elric was basically created as an inverse to Conan. He's physically frail, part of a decadent declining empire, is philosophical and introspective, embraces sorcery, and actively does not want to be king. But despite that he's still a powerful chad who bangs a lot of women

>>718211835
Never heard of it

>>718207028 (OP)
Apparently it almost happened at one point.

>>718212067
Moorcock says himself he's a bad storyteller with a good imagination

>>718212136
Elric and Dying Earth are also MASSIVE influences on Dungeons & Dragons aka entirety of modern fantasy. People sort of erroneously pin that on Tolkien.

>>718213049
Yeah he's kind of hack who knows they're shitty writer just like Virginia Woolf

>>718207028 (OP)
are comics worth it? I hear they're basically adaptations of the novels.

>>718212976
This kinda cool desu

>>718213164
I didn't read the other ones, but the Stormbringer comics are decent.

>>718213164
They're pretty good. Good art. But they fuck with the stories quite a bit to create a single continuous narrative out of the books

>>718207028 (OP)
Eric of Melbourne

>>718207028 (OP)
Elric is just Turin for people that have no soul.

>>718213164
you get bad bitch cymoril as completely unnecessary change

>>718211835
>chaos VS law VS balance
confirmed for never have read sapkowski

>>718213074
Weeeelllll

I'd say the reason dungeons and dragons even HAS dungeons is the Moria sequence in fellowship.

>>718213436
I'll take bad bitch cymoril over cousin plotting for the 10th time

Geralt isn't even an antihero people in his world just treat him like one.

What's a crime is that there's no Solomon Kane game yet despite being a main influence on "dark paladin of justice" archetypes you see alot of fantasy protags have become.

>>718212852
Elric was created as a literal rip-off of Tolkien's Turin. Lime most 70s writers Moorcock though Tolkien's ideal are unrealistic and did his own what if spinoff where Turin is cool for fucking his sister and can just court evil to become more powerful instead of rejecting it till his dying breath.

>>718213665
>Elric
>good taste
It's literally edgy trash fiction for teens. That's no one made a adaptation of it. It's inherently shit if you stop to think about it.

>>718213631
I really think Anti-hero has lost all meaning.

At first it meant a Bilbo Baggins type, someone who doesn't want to go on the adventure, or isn't suited for the adventure. But they go anyway, prove everyone wrong about them being a detriment and succeed the quest despite being out of their element.
It was this wholesome little thing.
Then the gritty 90s came around and the anti-hero twisted into being a raging douche that's only nominally on the side of good. And I fucking hate that.

>>718213164
Despite this guy being the main inspiration for Sephiroth, some Japanese artists were fans of Elric well before Final Fantasy

>>718213781
You also had that song by Taylor Swift that has nothing to do with actual anti-heroes

>>718213763
What's edgy about it?

>>718212852
Corum is chilling in his castle for all his lives doing nothign important and uncaring of the events of the world. Barbarians invade his castle and kidnap his family. He loses and arm and an eye as he watches his sister and mother get raped and killed(berserk reerence?)
A wizard give him a new cursed arm and a cursed eye which he has no control over and they save him over and over again. He 'defeat' the three God of Chaos by no merit of his own and he's celbrated as a hero.
He is monogamus, doesn't do drugs, doesn't do philosophy.

>>718213763
>nobody adapts it because it's trash fiction for teens
Anon, they adapted Conan. Multiple times.
Nobody adapts Elric because it's heyday in the English speaking world is over and back when it would have been financially viable to adapt, Lord of the Rings wasn't adapted yet and everyone thought fantasy movies would he budget shite.
Add to that the Elric series is told largely put of order and in disconnected plots that make franchising a fucking nightmare.

>>718213851
One of the factions is called lords of chaos. It's even more childish than warhammer.

>>718209547
moor in this case means peatland, not the moorish people
just fyi

>>718213691
Being a puritan just makes him uncomfortable for certain audience. Also, it might just be cursed as legitimately solid movie was overlooked as well due to publishing shenanigans.

>>718213993
That doesn't sound very edgy

>>718213892
>Lord of the Rings wasn't adapted yet
LotR was adapted three times in the 70s alone

>>718213763
Creating something like Imrryr in film would demand more work than Minas Tirith. In this day and age it would be a CGI fest
As a game the stories are too short. It would work better as a soulslike with a hub-based world like DeS

>>718214029
I dislike puritans irl but they make great fictional characters

>>718213436
>evil dommy mommy cymoril
FUUUUCK

>>718214029
Him being a Puritan is the point and the reason why he even has that look. And if we're talking about films, the Hugh Jackman Van Helsing film is almost 1:1 a Solomon Kane film.

>>718213851
By today's standards? Nothing really?

Elric is a Wizard, prince to a decadent crumbling Empire, and an albino. He worships a chaos God named Arioch, but unbeknownst to him or Arioch, Elric is a key figure in the battle of Chaos VS Law VS Balance and his destiny is to use the weapons of chaos against chaos.
One day, Elric and his cousin (not the cousin he's fucking) find a pair of swords. Stormbringer is Elrics, a blade that calls Elric master, yet Elric feels it has enslaved him. Stormbringer cures Elrics sickness of the blood, meaning he no longer needs potions to survive, and seriously enhances his combat abilities. Stormbringer is also hungry and feeds on the lives it takes. It is fine eating the life of Elrics enemies but it prefers his allies.
And that's the story, Elric is lead around from point to point by the Black Blade and it feeds, and he is incapable of throwing it away because it chose him. After it killed the cousin he was fucking he threw it into the sea only for it to resurface and launch itself back to his side.

At the final battle of the series, when all timeliness have conjoined and Law and Chaos are having their final battle, Elric and the Black Blade are the only survivors in the universe. Stormbringer declares "Farewell, my friend. I was always a thousand times eviller than thou" and kills elric, then flies off to find a new, unspoiled universe, implied to be ours.

By 70s standards irs Grimdark. By today's standards its about as edgy as Dragon alAge.

>>718207028 (OP)
I've always wondered how you're supposed to pronounce his name, I assume the é means it's sort of french sounding? Like MelnibonAY? Or is it just Mel-nee-bone?

>>718214351
>Stormbringer declares "Farewell, my friend. I was always a thousand times eviller than thou" and kills elric, then flies off to find a new, unspoiled universe, implied to be ours.
sounds like shit

This game series is the closest you're gonna get to a game that has the prose and dialogue of a fantasy novel.

>>718214351
is it one of the earliest examples of multiverse?

>>718211835
Even if most of that was true, that just means Sapkowski stole a bunch of stuff.

>>718214473
Elric is written far worse than LoK. It's insulting that you even try to compare the writing quality of both.

>>718209547
>good luck, i'm behind 50 layers of coats

>>718214407
Yeah it's a great pulp series with a shit ending.
>>718214479
Yes and no.
Moorecock boriced that heroes all tend to have the same traits in fiction, so his canon multicerse is that all these heroes are the same spirit hopping from universe to universe, the Eternal Champion.
He also noticed that these heroes usually have an iconic object.
So Frodo and the Ring = Elric and Stormbringet = The Eternal Champion and the Black Blade

>>718207028 (OP)
>michael moorCOCK
>elric of melniBONER

>>718213892
Conan is peak pulp don't you dare ever comparing the barbarian soul king to whatever trash moorcuck shat out

>>718211817
Elric is kind of the opposite, where he is a strong willful character stuck in mediocre Marvel-like universe hopping adventures and he gets to team up with other members of the brand,

>>718214351
I now see how Warcraft basically made Arthas this lmao.

>>718214178
>the Hugh Jackman Van Helsing film is almost 1:1 a Solomon Kane film.
Congratulations,you have the redditest post itt and fuck me you were up against some stiff competition

Nah, multiverse was a kind of fantasy. Moorecock was being inspired by stuff just like Moorecock would be inspiration for writers a decade later who had read his stuff when they were younger. The dudes making D&D, Warhammer stuff. Uh, Zelazney and his Chronicles of Amber (maybe. also the original Chronicles not the stinky second chronicles)
Elric worked because it was fantasy novellas & short story format. It's like a pulp magazine series instead of those 1000 page monstrosities Robert Jordan punched out with WoT. God that series was wordslop.

>>718213691
A lot of Howard's writing gets shelved and people only remember Conan. He wrote boxing, western as well as historical stories.

>>718214638
>So Frodo and the Ring = Elric and Stormbringet = The Eternal Champion and the Black Blade
This is so fucking cringe it's makes me want to burn every Moorcuck book in existence.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=jGKNaIXtBZQ

Reminder that Elric/Moorcock is also responsible for one of the best songs of all time

>>718214351
Karl Edward Wagner's Kane series is another case where it was super edgy when it came out but is pretty tame by today's standards. Ironically it's the really old school guys like Robert E Howard and Edgar Rice Burroughs who are most problematic to modern readers, because values have diverged a lot from the era they wrote in.

>creates one of the best steampunk series' that actually isn't just an aesthetic but also the futurism aspect of the 19th century which is the actual true core of steampunk
Moorcock is cursed beyond all time to never reach a sizeable enough readerbase to prop his influence into the limelight despite his influence reaching far and wide.

>>718215014
>steampunk

>>718214902
I think Jordan having Sanderson finish the series was best outcome.
Say what you will about Sanderson, at least he understands how to do vague mystic metaphor.
I saw a lot of people confused by thr confrontation at the end of the series and I'm like.

>souls clash
>equal power
>soul that wants to die swaps places with other soul, so it can be in the body that is dying
>soul that wants to live happily accepts the body that will survive
>soul that wants to live achieves victory because the other soul moved into a body that fucking died
It's proof to me that post 2000 fantasy readers dipped in IQ. The series of events was logical, but so many people were like "Whaaaaaast, I don't get itttttt."

>>718215045
Hence what I said.

>>718215076
Nothing can salvage steampunk. Not even Tolkien could write good steampunk.

>>718214905
Howard got into westerns only a couple year before he died when was only 30. He might have ended up with western movies or tv shows if he wasn't horribly depressed and didn't feel like nothing was worth it when his mom fell into her last coma.

>>718214917
It kind of is, but thankfully Moorecock did what Brandon Sanderson SAID he was doing back in 2010.

The connections are hidden, and uninportant to any individual characters story, Moorecock keeps his multiverse to his own characters, and only talks about the Eternal Champion in other stories in obscure interviews.

>>718214581
Anon its pulp fiction nobody is saying its Shakespeare. Its praised for its aesthetics and cool ideas

>>718215127
It's 19th century retrofuturism. That's it. That's steampunk. if you're not a fan of the fucking 19th century, no shit you're not gonna like it.

>>718212503
Wow, Prison Break season whatever is crazy!

>>718207028 (OP)
Started listening to an audiobook version of this the other day and fell asleep. When does it get good?

>>718214638
This is also the inspiration for Kirkbride's' Shezzarine concept for the Elder Scrolls.

>>718213691
I'm over the parry focused action games for the most part, but I would kill for a Sekiro clone, replacing the Katana with the English Rapier. Guns, Staff, stealth kill evildoers with his little dirk, throwing fucking bombs around, and getting some N'Lounga Juju could all make a great toolkit to rival Shinobi tools and arts.

>>718215167
This is kind of where I'm at.
In my 20s I was kind of like "No, all art must be deep and meaningful and layered in symbolism."
Now I'm just kind of like... Man, I could go for some mindless entertainment. It's made reading books far more enjoyable for me.
There is ONE standard I still have. It's gotta have good character work. If I don't believe the characters care, I don't care. It's actually why I unironically love Sanderslop, because he can write believable characters.

>>718207028 (OP)
>ripped off by The Witcher, Final Fantasy, and Game of Thrones
???

>>718215290
>It's actually why I unironically love Sanderslop
Jesus fucking Christ, and I'm the one that gets made fun of for defending steampunk

Clark Ashton Smith's Hyperborean stuff would be a great setting for a vidya.

>>718215290
Art must be meaningful and layered with symbolism. Trash doesn't. It's not wrong to enjoy trash. Just don't compare it to art.

When are we getting the video game?

>>718215240
The sleep is the good part

twilight unironically has some good worldbuilding

>>718212298
And tons of High Elf lore is influenced by it as well. The Dragon Princes, Teclis, dying ancient race being replaced by man, etc.

>>718215379
Meaningful as a state of being is always there. There is no such thing as meaningless if it exists, fiction or reality.

>>718214029
Except that stupid shit in the beginning about the demon/grim reaper. That shit is super retarded.

>>718215330
Hey, I'll tolerate /v/ saying I have trash taste in books.
Because you know what?
The real cringe is pretending you like or don't like something for the pleasure of people you're never gonna meet.
I love the fantasy genre, truly. People will tell me that fantasy is trash and for children. These people also probably like EDM. I don't know if that's the case, but they might. Am I gonna tolerate critique on my taste from someone who listens to EDM? No, I'm not a literal retard. But I can never be sure, so I'm gonna treat everyone critiquing my taste with the possibility they may enjoy EDM and ignore them.

>>718215394
Barsoom is more video game friendly than the jungle.

>>718215508
I want to play Tarzan purely because of how physically powerful and athletic he is described as in the books. I want to go around fucking up apes and panthers and throwing around puny humans.

What made Conan click with audiences anyways? I know the Arnold film skyrocketed the character into being fully mainstream but I can never gauge the character and work's popularity beforehand.

>>718215379
I will say I, as a normie with no artistic talent, have a definition of art in media that is broader than most people's, because I feel most definitions of art exclude a lot of stuff that's targeted at children and I personally believe it is incredibly cynical to say children can't or shouldn't have meaningful art.
And when I was a kid I read some books like Rowan of Rin that I feel were genuinely so fucking good they should be counted as art.

>>718211368
>I'm glad this cringe atheist old ass boomer geek will never be a thing
tradlarping and low IQ zoomer, name a more iconic duo

>>718215508
Video games used to have art that looked like these books.

>>718212976
A fucking isometric CRPG? We were robbed of this? Holy fuck now I'm mad

>>718215492
That would be a fair point if you didn't like Sanderson.

Dumarest of Terra game when?

>>718215746
QRD?

>>718215593
You gotta remember character like Bond, Tarzan and Conan came from an era where writers knew the paper their stories were printed on was gonna eventually be thrown put, pulped up and made into new paper.
More than that, they were paid by the word, so a lot of them never met an adjective they didn't like.

This kind of economic environment changed the stories that were written, encouraged risk taking behaviour in the writing, because who cares? The story will be pulped. And it let the authors play around a lot with words to stretch their payslip.

So you get a lot of weird concept fantasy and science fiction that really wants to talk about its concepts. It hooked in its audiences by being weird and unique because nobody cared what the writers wrote, and they weren't being economical with their words so they could spend as long as they wanted telling you why their characters were cool.

>>718211817
elric has a interesting setup in his first book.
his people are unironic bdsm elve's, his love interest is his own cousin and he ultimately gets betrayed by his own people because he isnt completely on board with being a bdsm gimp.
everyone he gets close to is destined to get fucked up.
shame the rest of his books suck complete dick.

>>718213815
Nips just love a pale as fuck dude with dubious morals and a cool sword

>>718215715
You like EDM, your opinion means shit to me.

>>718215786
>More than that, they were paid by the word, so a lot of them never met an adjective they didn't like.

Pretty funny that there are people here with a raging hateboner against Moorcock whenever I see a thread about him.
Anyway, it'd be really cool to have an Elric game in classic wrpg style like Witcher or Elder Scrolls, there's a lot of potential with the world building and different factions and such.

>>718215801
Is that supposed to be Severian?

So much of Elrics setting lends itself to cool video game shit.

Like those um... those dreaming table things where you can take a nap, have five lifetimes or experience, and wake up and only a few moments have passed.
They would make great level select thingies, or metal gear style VR missions.

Elric isn't Turin btw. He's clearly Maeglin

>>718215593
Arnie's Movie Conan clicked with people. Story Conan is nothing like that guy.

>>718215932
That's part of my asking how popular Conan was before the film.

>>718215887
i dont hate him as a person, i just think his books suck and he isnt a good writer.
he has this talent of creating what sounds like a compelling setup and then just writing absolute shit.

I've been reading a lot of fantasy "classics" lately and I have to say that Elric has been really disappointing, book 1&2 are alright but after that it just becomes a disjointed mess of random pointless and boring adventures in implausible places that not even 10 year old me would have thought they were cool (the city of beggars... really?). I guess it's one of those cases of "it was good when it came out".

>>718215786
You say that but we also had Walter Gibson who was actually putting out Shadow novels by the dozens.

>>718215901
Or like the rapid shuffling off into other realms that are just endless bleak flesh wastelands, and then going through continuous one way doors through caves.

>>718215761
Guy travels the cosmos looking for his lost home planet Terra which doesn't appear on any map. Along the way he's constantly clashing with computer brain people who control society for their dark ends, getting in giant space knife fights, and saving/sleeping with hot space babes. Each planet he visits is unique and has its own setting, and each planet is typically its own book. The Traveller RPG is heavily influenced by it.

>>718212010
>>718212497
Are you a retard? Sapkowski had a job back in the day translating Elric to Polish as he was concurrently writing The Witcher. This has to be bait

Does this look edgy to you?

>>718215894
It always amazes me how not one artist will draw his cloak in fuligin.

>>718215997
more a case of "this conceptually sounds cool but actually sucks"

>>718215997
Some of those classics drop off pretty hard. Didn't like Chronicles of Amber at all after the protag change

>>718216098
The one improvement that 40k does over Moorcock is throwing away the silly notion of balance that is supposed to exist between chaos and order.

read my fantasy novel /v/ros
pic unrelated

>>718216289
Arknights is kino high art.

>>718215997
>city of beggars
Its literally a maze of intrigue
way to out yourself as not a nerd
go find something your friends would find bragworthy instead of wasting your time trying to appear nerdy

>>718215651
>Moorecucktard thinks he's high iq

>>718215997
Try Robert Howard's books for pulp fantasy shorts. If you like those, there's also Hideyuki Kikuchi's Vampire Hunter D.
Few people seem to know this, but Vampire Hunter D is basically Hammer Horror, Dying Earth, and Soloman Kane rolled into one

>>718216329
giwtwm

>>718216379
Man you have to be the absolute worst poster on this entire website

>>718215678
These guys are too short to be Green Martians. They're supposed to be like twenty feet tall or something.

>>718216379
Take a shot whenever author describes D as beautiful. See you at ER.

>>718216510
The perspective is fucked but you can see the one where John's standing above it is much larger.

>>718216406
Sorry bro. Elric is just not good and I doubt a personality like Moorcock can bring out the promised mythology and archtype trapped underneath his bad writing. It's the atheist handicap.

>>718215992
I wouldn't claim Elric books to be a height of literature, but they were fun to read. Sure some parts come off as rather silly, but I also feel like some of the cheesiness is by design, and for me it worked well enough. I mean, there was an almost TTGL tier fight in the 2nd book(I think). I guess people just treat these books more seriously than they were.

>>718215593
Conan was never a huge pop culture phenomenon outside of the movie. There was a long running comic series from Marvel in the 70s that kept the character relevant until the movie came out, but it was never huge. What has really kept the character alive for a century is that it was massively popular with writers, in particular L Sprague de Camp, who kept it relevant by using it for inspiration in their own writing.

I HAVE THIS FEELING, THAT MY LUCK IS NONE TOO GOOD

>>718216564
The one he's standing on doesn't even look like it's double his height.

>>718215005
>Karl Edward Wagner's Kane series is another case where it was super edgy when it came out but is pretty tame by today's standards.
It gets away with it because there are more horror undertones to Kane. He's also more of an anti-hero.

What pulp fiction series has the best writing quality?

>>718214479
Richard Shaver would be one of the earliest, though there's probably more especially when you factor in more obscure shit like some of Abraham Merritt's work.
Shaver called the Multiverse the Simultane and there are near-infinite "Nows".

>>718213164
>>718214137
The comic is so hot I can't post screenshots.
>>718213691
>>718213857
Vampire Hunter D must be a mix of Solomon Kane, Corum and Elric.
>>718214351
Now I remembered the part where the Stormbringer is flying. You can add Soulcalibur to the list of Elric-inspired media.
>>718214928
Great song by a great band!
>>718217132
Dying Earth.

Everywhere I go, I see classic sword and sorcery character ripoffs.

>>718214351
I just read the Fortress of Pearl a couple weeks ago. Loved the opening and that finale is peak villainous shit out of Elric. But holy shit the majority of the middle gallivanting over dream land was so boring.

>>718217132
It's called lotr

>>718217132
problem with pulps is we're all generally reading them the wrong way now. they were originally serialized and that affected HOW they were written. they weren't meant to be in a convenient omnibus.

>>718217132
Clark Ashton Smith has the best writing overall of the pulp writers. Robert E Howard has the best action scenes. If you expand the scope of "pulp" to include pulpy sci-fi and fantasy from the mid 20th century, then Jack Vance is the best.

>>718217295
Absolutely agreed, anon. The dream stuff dragged so hard it felt like Moorcock was either stalling for time or trying to outdo himself with how weird he could get. It's like the pacing got sedated right after that killer intro. You can feel the contrast when it kicks back into the finale-suddenly it feels sharp again, like the actual Elric story remembered it had a plot. Shame too, because bits of the dreamworld had potential, just buried in meandering fluff.

Bookers will consume slop like this and tell you how much better their medium is

>>718217440
>Bookers

>>718207028 (OP)
moor cock is like black dick right?

>>718207028 (OP)
Because everything about it is just kinda gay.
Melniboné sounds french (gay), the main character is a thin wristed (gay) sickly (gay) elf looking (gay) dude who dresses like a stripper (gay).

>>718207028 (OP)
Moorcock didn’t even like this series and it shows in later books which sucks it’s probably one of the most ifluential bits of fantasy out there

>>718214581
>Elric is written far worse than LoK.
Dialogue, maybe. Otherwise no. LoK collapsed into total dreck with SR2.

>>718217554
it's a bird, you yankee nigger

Are there any fantasy books where the worldbuilding is so dull and lacking in bells and whistles but thorough in how it presents it that it actually loops back around to being genius

>>718217753
>see bird
>think of black cock
Do Brits really?

Vampire Hunter D has been criminally overrated because of Amano's illustrations, it's utter dogshit, total garbage

>>718216105
The absolute peak archetype of Albino antihero with sword is Severian

Fuck off. We need a kino LOTR game again before we ever see a muslim cock one.

Can pulp even be written well? Is it better to read sword and sorcery instead if I want a cool fantasy adventure?

>>718217851
sounds like a you problem

>>718207028 (OP)
Hello Raz0rfist.

>>718217971
Literally the same thing

>>718213164
They're very good, but I think the old comic series is better.

>>718209547
Been to Saudi Arabia, I have no fucking idea how someone could wear that many layers and not instantly collapse of heat exhaustion the moment they step out into the sun.

>>718217985
>>718207964
>>718207992
Qrd on this razorfist fella and how he's related to Elric? Does he spam these books on /lit/ or something?

SIT THE FUCK DOWN ELRIC NIGGERS

American writers were fucking amazing back then, they really understood the rule of cool.

>>718217132
For me, it's Raymond Chandler.

>>718218171
What's with Bakker and male rape?

>>718218171
Is this good?

>>718217971
Pulp operates on rule of cool than any substance of that nature.

>>718218292
Yeah, it's why it fucking sucks

>le gayrnold flick skyrockete-
The gayrnold bootlicker flick didn't "skyrocket" anything, Conan's influence was fortunately not affected at all by it.
>>718207028 (OP)
He doesn't have a cool name like Arthas or Geralt, he's just fucking Eric

>>718218258
He's a dark fantasy writer. Rape is half the reason for the genres existence.
>>718218290
Yes.

>>718218447
No, I'm talking about Bakker specifically. He injects male rape alot.

>>718218478
Oh him specifically, no clue.
Probably some deep-seated trauma turned fetish or some psuedo-philosphical bullshit on human connection.

>>718218393
Geralt is just Gerald. They even call him Gerald in the books a couple times

>>718215174
Steam-powered machinery is fine it's the gay Victorian fashion with gears, cogs and clockwork shit glued to everything that makes me hate it.

>>718218290
I really like it. It's the only series I know that does the viewpoint switching between different characters right. They all feel like their own thing, not just something for the story. Everyone has a goal, things he cherishes, different morals or ideology. And it's about a crusade. Crusades are kino.
It's super grimdark, but it just fits the world. Also one of the few series where the magic just works. It's done very well.

The male rape posters aren't joking, but it's a minor part. It's for the grimdark/character reasons, not for trying to get the reader horny. Don't avoid the book because of that.

If you feel like dropping it read chapter 6, Jiünati Steppe. Only do that if you'd otherwise drop it. And no it's not anime literally-me wishfulfillment slop like you may think during the prologue.

>>718211681
>Zoomer retard
Boomers and Gen X are awesome they actually created great fiction unlike your worthless generation who only have absolute garbage like FNAF, Fortnite, Roblox, Logan Paul and Mr. Beast

>>718218143
YouTuber who's done videos on Elric. I had no idea who this character was before watching. He's really opinionated and his voice gets grating to listen to after a while but he's informative.

>>718212639
>>718211421
100% its grrm, since so much of aSoIaF is ripping off Eternal Champion stuff.

>>718217132
Lovecraft. Most pulp fucking sucks, he's popular for a reason. He copied a lot from Lord Dunsany who was also a great author. Lovecraft's prose is just very evocative, reading Eric you are told about so many different dimensions and Moorcock somehow makes it boring. Eric books have cool concepts but they are usually described too matter-of-factly. The only bad thing I'll say about Lovecraft is his protagonists aren't very compelling.
Issac Asimov also isn't bad if you like sci-fi, but I'm not the best judge since I barely read sci-fi.

>>718218785
>t. zoom zoom bootlicker

>>718218785
If they didn't want us to eat tide pods why did they make them so delicious?

>>718212379
Based fuck Christcucks and their dead like on a stick

>/v/ finally has a good thread
>it's about books again
>it's about fantasy books again
Why is it the best conversations on here, where/v/ actually comes off as informed, are about fantasy books?
Every fucking time.

>>718218890
I recommend the comics for Elric over Moorcock's books.

>>718218976
Because unlike video games, /v/ actually enjoys fantasy novels.

>>718218976
most people are here to shitfling about games.
if the thread isn't game related, they have no reason to open it.

>>718218785
>saves soijaks
>posts soijaks
your life is a joke ^__^

>>718218976
Sounds like a pretty big hint that you don't belong on /v/

>>718218767
Do you count pic as steampunk?

>>718218976
imagine being retarded enough to think anyone here is well-informed on the subject. i'd kill myself if i were you.

>>718215005
The John Carter of Mars world is built on Phrenology

Also full of hypnosis and astral projection which is lame when the tech is basically magic. It could have needed some more straight up fantasy

>>718218976
What kind of 400lb retarded redditor styles himself an expert on bad genre fiction. Good lord. These threads are all the same
>yo check out my grimderp young adult novel, this homoerotic picture of a guy in black leather is so BASED
>what? I'm a retard?
>zoom zoom
>zoom zoom
>ZOOM ZOOM
>angrily image dump
You make these off topic threads because you want a tiny echo chamber to discuss garbage in. And you're an actual faggot mod.

>>718219169
Bocchi the genderfluid kiddy stomper

>>718219125
>The John Carter of Mars world is built on Phrenology
Qrd?

Ran into this video the other day about why fantasy writing is so ass. Found it so interesting I actually managed to listen to a woman speak for 30 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BBrDhgGz1k

>>718219169
>Classic fantasy novels from the 70's
>Young adult novel slop
Retard

>>718213716
Except Turin was not a character that Moorcock knew existed until The Silmarillion was released in 1977, the first Elric story was published in 1961

>>718219945
In short big "good is beautiful ugly is bad" vibes
Some ugly monstruous green martians turn out to be noble and it's a case of nurture and culture vs nature but in general protag immediately tells friend or foe from their face

I like it, it's a cheesy trope and in general in the series the bad guys are very loathsome and the good guys very noble and it's pulpy and fun but you can tell the author really believed it as science and pulled from that

He also has a weird moment about the KKK in the Venus series where the protag is a bit unconfortable with the acronym of a rebellion group's name in the planet's language sounding like the KKK and it being unfortunate but also why even put that moment in if it isn't some sort of dogwhistle

>>718218290
ok-ish at least. The only modern fantasy with some original ideas and writing is solid throughout all 6,5 books, even though it has repeating elements - fat fuck who did GoT has a cycle where he introduces Goody Good McGoodguy who gets brutally killed. Bakker has offputting sex scenes.

>>718221016
>why even put that moment in if it isn't some sort of dogwhistle
Go back to Plebit antifa fag

>>718215014
He's cursed to be a writer's writer

>>718221016
I believe it as well to a degree, sometimes you can tell someone is a cunt from their face alone.

>>718221016
I specifically read ERB and Abraham Merritt because they were so unaffected by anything that was to come later. They didn't need to dogwhistle, people didn't have the net to create retarded mental gymnastics surrounding shit like race or gender.

>>718217132
Raymond Chandler for proper noir pulp and Clark Ashton Smith for Weird Fantasy Horror Pulp

>>718207028 (OP)
What boomer book series is this? What the fuck

>>718221189
You're so retarded that it's not even funny. See a word and flip out. Literally incapable of thought.

>>718218996
Even Moorcock recommends the French comics over his own books at this point.
The old Roy Thomas comics are also not bad, but leave a lot out

>>718221472
I like to imagine they have a snippet that highlights certain words for visibility.

>>718221479
>The old Roy Thomas comics are also not bad
I think they're superior to the new ones, frankly, but there's also a lot more of them and they aren't as consistent. P. Craig Russell is unbeatable.

>>718213581
It's not just one thing, it's a mix. Obviously halflings are based on hobbits and a bunch of other things are Tolkein's influence, but alignments having law/chaos in addition to good/evil is 100% because of Elric.

>>718220496
She certainly takes a very America-centric perspective on publishing

>>718207028 (OP)
>ugly pale dude in gay bdsm outfit
yikes, this does not deserve a game

I've never felt the need to read a classic fantasy book after Tolkien. I'm at the point where I'd rather read Christopher Tolkien autistically going over every minor detail of his father unpublished works to stitch them together than whatever novels are being published today

>>718207028 (OP)
The title sounds too stupid, it's not marketable
>Eric of Melbourne

>>718222804
You don't have to read any of the slop made today just read some of the classic fantasy novels from the 70's, 80's and 90's

>>718223451
Or go even further back and read the Weird Tales Trio, or even earlier writers like Lord Dunsany

>>718212682
>Robert Rankin
never heard of him but a quick glance looks entertaining. I've got two tomes to go through but I'm grabbing these books for later

>>718223698
Or go even further back and read the Chivalric Romances such as Le'mort De Arthur, Orlando Furioso or The Faerie Queene

>>718215268
I do wish one of these endless souls like RPGs would take place in Europe for once instead of fantasy Asia land. Just this character alone from Nioh showed me how cool it would be to play with a rapier and use it properly.

>>718210743
every single steamcharts thread is worse than this thread.

>>718218171
Bakker's male scat fetish excerpts I saw on /lit/ made me not want to pick this up.

>>718218976
books are a lot harder to corrupt as a medium.

>>718212136
It's not deep. It's surface level moral dillemas and puddle deep philosophies.
I never deny that it's been very influential on fantasy readers in the past, but compared to even earlier works it doesn't hold up in quality at all, it's fanfic tier writing, I've read novellas for children more demanding than the entire Elric saga.

>>718212136
And people give too much credit to Elric and not enough to Conan, which is what Moorecock ripped off for Elric. Elric is literally just inverted Robert Howard Conan.

Blue eyes > red eyes
Black haired with skin tanned by the sun > Albino
Naturally strong and healthy > weak little bitch who requires magic or potions to just walk around
Comes from nobodies in a distant land no one has heard from > Comes from power ancient civilization that ruled the world and everyone knows
Distrusts magic and gods > Full on sorcerer who makes deals with demons and gods
Has no attachment to weapons and uses whatever is at hand > Has a super special sword he can't bear to part with even when it kills people he cares about
Rarely has more than 1 adventure with a person more than once > Only has a close knit cadre of friends he adventures with
Picks up a new woman every port and leave them alive and thirsting for more Conan cock > Only has dedicated love interests until they die horribly

>>718209361
Raozorfist would actually have to read the Witcher series to be able to make that claim. By his own admission he is basing his entire case of hearsay and has not read a single line of the novels or played a single minute of the game.

>>718218976
For me? It’s little Arty.

I'm going to sleep and grind The dying earth some more
The first chapter was 9/10 then slog
can't wait to move on to other books that are not the sequels

>>718218785
>not a single reply refuting this
Basedllenials can't handle the truth unfortunately.
They legitimately have no great writers or artists. They're a cultural black hole, doesn't matter where they are on the political spectrum. Half of them worship braindead coomerslop and the other half hate that coomerslop only because they think it's problematic and end up worshipping their own kind of coomerslop anyways.
They project their obsession with porn onto gen z and alpha, but really they remain biggest consumers of porn along with gen xers. So many millennials just fried their brains by being allowed online unsupervised. Zoomers suffered from this too, but more of them were herded into social media, with other people of their age.
The subsequent generations will experience an increasingly restricted internet. They will be increasingly normiefied, and eventually people will remember millennials as a cultural low point created by the free-for-all internet.
I say this as someone born in 1993.

>>718212682
>wrote Apocalypto
Interesting, I guess I'll check him out

dark elves and the order/chaos dichotomy can be attributed to moorecock but after drizzt and arthas and such elric is kinda pointless, he’s really just sarcastic antihero conan anyway, and pretty much a moralfag after the first book or two and not really that edgy, also moorecock is kind of a pedo like all english sci-fi authors so fuck him

>>718221016
How can you say he believed ugly=bad when you acknowledge in your own post that the problem is that greens are raised in a horrendously shitty culture? Tars and his daughter are both shown to be good despite the savage culture they were born into with his daughter pretty much explicitly said to be good because her parents raised her with love instead of her being brought up the normal way.

>>718230353
Speaking of Tars's daughter, I get it's called "A Princess of Mars" and was written in the 1910s where it wouldn't fly, but I thought John should have taken Sola as his wife instead of Dejah Thoris.

>>718213164
I only ever read the ruby throne but that shit was kino af

>>718213436
well the whole race is bad

>>718213404
Not even that. Turin was way more heroic than Elric. Elric rarely does anything heroic in the books because that would be too "cringe".

>>718207028 (OP)
Normalfriends hate actual morally grey protagonists

>>718214351
Imagine investing 20 years of your life in some fictional mumbu jumbo and it ends like this with the author taking a piss on the fans face lmao

>>718216329
>-195
>-195
>-195
>-195

>>718231326
Worry not, author resurrects him later himself, like in fucking Witcher vidya. Did the polack steal the ending from Moorcock in addition to everything else, you might ask? Yes.

>>718231195
he does but shenanigans happen because he’s got an ontologically evil sword

I read (listened to) the Gormenghast books earlier this year and it was amazing.
It's incredibly slow and meandering, almost boring at times. But in a kino way.
The descriptions of people, places and things are so richly detailed that the book can dedicate three whole pages to a random hallway niche with a statue in it that the protagonist walks past in one scene and then never sees again. Completely ridiculous but utterly mesmerizing.
Maybe it's just that I have some kind of fetish for improbably-huge sprawling castle complexes (like Lothric Castle in Dark Souls 3)

The closest thing I could compare it to pace-wise is something like The Night Land but much more professional and less repetitive/headache-inducing.

>>718231506
But the Witcher's story doesn't end anything like that. Geralt was stabbed in the gut and died along with Yennefer who burned herself out trying to heal him because he was too kind-hearted of a person and spared a punk ass kid during a huge fight where he was trying to protect people only to get pitchforked in return.

>>718227034
Everything got irrlevant and....
Pozzed
Political Correctness
DEI
Woke
After 1970
Cope
Seethe
Mald
Dilate

i want scp novels
tacticool soldiers hunting supernatural things

>>718217851
yes.

tell me about this elric fella, I've seen people saying how many games were inspired by it, how arthas is almost a carbon copy of him and shit

>>718231743
Maybe give some of the Delta Green novels ago.
That pretty much matches your want for SCP novels

>>718227034
It's the other way around smartphones and social media ruined the Internet. Zoomer slop ruined the Internet.
Millennials and Gen X all the great made the classic Internet content Geocities, Fortune City, Angelfire, Newgrounds, Flash games in general, classic Internet memes, game mods and levels for badass games like Dark Forces 2 and Half-Life 1, NWN modules, classic YouTube, MST3K style content, MSTing of bad Fanfiction, Encyclopedia Dramatica, Uncyclopedia, Darthpedia, fan sites, angry reviews and much more.
It was social media that ruined all of that and subdued a majority of millennials into selling out to woke propaganda.
You say that Millennials are black hole when zoomtards are monstrously retarded they don't read books, they don't have shit taste in media, they can't even understand file systems and their attention span is shorter than a fly's.
>worship braindead coomerslop
You've fallen into the zoomtard mindset of being embarrassed to actually enjoy an pop culture because you're terrified of looking 'cringe' next you'll be larping as a tradcath and saying all you need is the bible.
>increasingly restricted internet
That is not a good thing
>increasingly normiefied
Neither is that normies are unimaginative bread dead retards
>remember millennials as a cultural low point
They won't remember anything because they will be slaves to AI not using their own brains at all but getting AI to think for them.
Smartphones and social media made people retarded enough AI will create something akin to the dystopian future depicted I. "The Machine Stops" but even more pathetic.

>>718230726
>princess of mars mentioned
It's clone o'clock niggers.
https://www.goodreads.com/series/367885-warlord
https://www.goodreads.com/series/49408-green-star

>>718231707
The extent of my analysis here was "sure grimderp must kill off protagonist in the end". I'm assuming the polACK's was, as well.

>>718231635
which edition and how did you listened to it, anon?

>>718232009
he moans about being doomed the whole series so it was expected

>>718231906
>le epic tacticool army guy
What is this gay ass shit?

>>718231885
>they don't have shit taste in media
Typo that was meant to say they have a shit taste in media

>>718207028 (OP)
>It has an absolutely kino main character and setting and yet it has 0 adaptations. Why?
Because despite the author being an open Communist, who wrote a book, where the main protagonist is part of a superior race of Aryan Superhumans and a bookish nerd with a vampiric constitution, who needs his magic sword to stay healthy and read in his books about how his race is ireedemably evil and thus decided to betray his entire race and help in their complete genocide by Humans, who not only are racially inferior, but also have many of the same inferior morals, but because of the Communist power imbalance these cruel, stupid Humans are still better than the psychopathic evil not-Valyrians.

Despite all of this, his books still feature way too many things like honor, feminine women, masculine strength, barbaric freedom, which makes it from the perspective of today an extremely right-wing extremist book, despite the theme of the story basically being an Aryan Übermensch genociding his own race, because they are mean.

>>718232323
There is a lot of military related wankery in this, yeah. The princess is old as fuck and totally grooms the guy, does this interest you? It's 4chan, it must.

>>718207028 (OP)
Fuck that, gimme fafhrd and gray mouser

>>718207028 (OP)
I read this and don't remember anything except that the king is a pussy retard who caused all his own problems.

>>718232116
Penguin Audio unabridged versions narrated by Saul Reichlin.
I got them through Audible but they might be available elsewhere, I'm not sure.

>>718231781
Outside of being royalty, using a cursed sword and some general aesthetics, Arthas and Elric are not really all that similar. I'd say they're polar opposites in some regards. Elric starts off as a king of half-demon people that are nearing extinction but doesn't share their fucked up morals so he leaves his land to see if there are better ways to rule his kin.

>>718232542
No, it doesn't. I can't think of anything I want to read less than John Carter but it's written by a guy who jerks off to camo.

Need me some games where
>mc is a half-naked buffed dude or normal dude becomes buffed after many adventures
>topless woman hugging mc's leg

>>718233000
>I hate modern military
Okay, and? How do you expect me to engage with it? Or anyone else? Good for you, I guess.

>>718212136
You had two currents of fantasy, your Tolkien styled Romantic fantasy, and Sword and Sorcery fantasy.
The latter, Howard, Vance, Leiber, Moorcock, have been overlooked today in terms of their influence. While everything is attributed to Tolkien even if he didn't have a strong connection to it.

>>718233313
I'm sorry I'm not interested in reading your cringe special forces wank about some guy ooh-rahing all over those dumb Barsoomians with his epic badass M16.

>>718233821
Is Romantic Fantasy just High Fantasy like Warcraft while Sword and Sorcery is Low Fantasy like Fire Emblem?

if you don't have a shelf of S&S what are you even doing?
Can't find my Von Bek book at the moment but it is goated as well.

>>718212010
blatanlty wrong

>>718233931
>my
I swear you lot are retarded. Okay, what do you usually read? Also, what about the fucking Lin Carter series I linked? Do you care to talk shit about it too?

>>718234063
>low fantasy
>Fire Emblem
I have no clue what's happening in both your head and the head of the guy you responded to.

>>718234063
I use Romantic fantasy to refer to how Tolkien was looking to capture an idealized past with his fantasy. To get in touch with very ancient stories and imagination and pursue making a strong image of that for us today to emulate.
He wanted to make a foundational mythos for the English people, that otherwise didn't have one. So he borrowed a lot from Germanic sagas and told a morality play with them. The setting is the point of his work.

Where Sword and Sorcery fantasy really wasn't seeking to create an idealized past, but was just using distant history (or sometimes the far future) as a setting for a self-contained story. An excuse for where and when these stories were happening, rather than that being the entire point of the story.
There was usually a bigger message, but it wouldn't be of the same shape as above. The point wasn't to capture a lost identity. Often it was instead forward thinking. Howard's Conan might be set in the past, but it was about how men should act today and shape tomorrow, and the setting was almost incidental.

>>718234271
Right now? I'm reading through the Famous Forty.

>>718234063
>Low Fantasy like Fire Emblem
Low Fantasy means fantasy that takes place on Earth. Like the Arthurian Legends, Soulcalibur or Conan.
A setting having more or less magic and elves and shit doesn't affect whether it is Low Fantasy or not.

>>718215061
Jordan had actually already written the ending before he died. For the rest of the three books, Sanderson just had to follow the almost comprehensive and complete notes Jordon left behind. Overall I think he did a good job but I still have some hate because he added a fag character for no purpose other than to exist. Jordon had lesbians and possibly uncomfirmed butt pirates before but they had ay least some purpose in the story.

>>718207028 (OP)
>Moorcock

>>718234535
It fucking does not.

>>718234735
you shouldn’t be here dumb brown person, you can barely read

>>718215268
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3156770/Witchfire/
Witchfire kinda does it?

>>718234535
The Lord of the Rings would also count as Low fantasy, using that definition.
A lot of people use Low Fantasy to mean a fantasy story with low stakes or limited to no magic stuff, like The First Law or Book of the New Sun would count as low magic fantasy stories.

>>718214508
*triggers millions of Polacks*

>>718225202
Watch his video on Elric vs Witcher. You don't know what you're talking about

>>718215005
It was really funny reading REH's, 'Beyond the Black River", where he talks about the Picts as savages.
Especially through Conan, who absolutely hates them and considers them subhuman, but the Narration has to chime in that they're still Whites and Conan is going a bit too far.

I also recently checked out "The King in Yellow", and it was hilarious how one story started off as describing a late 1800s vision of a utopian America that defeated the Kaiser's Germany in a war, built tons of public parks and services, helped the Indians settle down with respect and wealth, rolled into an economic miracle.... and also expelled all the Jews.

>>718215258
Also the MC of Marathon.

>>718234775
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_fantasy

>>718234920
>The Lord of the Rings would also count as Low Fantasy, using that definition
Lord of the rings is framed more as mythology.
But yes, it kind of is, in a roundabout sense. Although real historical events or places aren't really mentioned beyond Tolkien's vague assertion that The Shire is some sort of precursor to England

>>718235334
REH also had an entire series of short stories about Brak Mak Mon, who was a leader of the Pict during Roman British times, and Pict characters like Brule were important supporting cast characters in Kull

>>718216098
I think this guy killed me a few times in Elden Ring.

>>718217440
READ
NIGGA
READ

>>718217132
Lovecraft is way more diverse than you'd probably think from his reputation.
Conan the Barbarian is legitimately good.

>>718235397
It's just Joseph Campbell's Hero with a Thousand Faces made as in-universe fact

>>718218976
The best place to talk about something is wherever you're not supposed to do it.
/v/ is bad for video games, but good for books.
/tv/ sucks for television and film, but good for anime.
etc

>>718218785
>FNAF, Fortnite, Roblox,
All made by Gen X or Millennials.

>>718235705
Since you like old pulp so much, go read Lensman. I know you haven't. Eugenics save the universe!

>>718235705
>Lovecraft is way more diverse than you'd probably think from his reputation.
I wouldn't recommend Dream-Quest, though. It kinda soils other stories like Pickman's Model and Celephais.

>>718207028 (OP)
Moarcocks wrote all his life to pay rent. He was a pay rent writer. He wrote every weeks into whatever bullshit publishing would accept his chapters in order to pay rent and food.

Elric is stupid. Moarcocks admitted it was stupid. It's basically "Elric stumbles into a Demon Ruin for the 18th time this month, and using his sword of PURE KICKASS, destroys the mutants, and the cannibals, of the city of ruins with demons". Chapter 48.

MoarCOCKS had a very big influence on D&D and subsequently an entire 30 years of fantasy and geekdom. But no one can say MoarCOCKS ever wrote a good book in his entire life, or a good chapter.

>>718236008
>Moarcocks wrote all his life to pay rent.
He is still alive anon

>>718207028 (OP)
Soul Reaver

>>718236050
>John Norman still alive
>Piers Anthony still alive
Hypothesis: writing smutty genre fiction makes you live longer.

>>718236050
One of God little tests

I'm a fan of stories on Celtic myth so I really liked Corum the most out of the eternal champions. I really like novels like The Winter King, The Wake, and Viriconium

>>718236607
Whoops forgot image

>>718236172
But Marquis de Sade died at the age of 74 and Marion Zimmer Bradley only lived till 69

>>718236667
74 was pretty good back when we still had plagues.

>>718236607
I am French so I really like the books about a Brittany noble frenchman getting Magic Towers on the Britanny coasts in order to laser the English.

But then I wouldn't call it high literature

>>718236831
we really should make laser towers on the britanny coast right now, maybe even laser London, it wouldn't be a loss of human (thinking sapient) lives

>>718236172
>John Norman
didn't he like disavow BDSM because it's not Gorean enough or some retarded shit?
guy's a weird creep

>>718236831
I would recommend reading The Broken Sword or The Night Land if you want some really weird fantasy in the style of older language

>>718236172
Howard and Lovecraft both died young
At least Clark Ashton Smith died at like 68

>>718209572
>Maghrebis
>black
WE WUZ

>>718237265
didn't do much more prose work, just a lot of paintings(pic being one of his), drawings and weird soapstone sculptures.
Smith also had a thing for MILFs

>>718218943
>>718212379
>>718218943

>Michael Moorcock identifies as Jewish, though he does not practice Judaism. He acknowledges that his Jewish heritage influences his writing, particularly his Pyat sequence of novels, which explores themes related to the Holocaust and the question of how such atrocities could occur according to a study by Taylor & Francis Online. He has stated that his Jewish background is a part of his identity and that it informs his work, even though he doesn't adhere to any specific religion.

Every accusation is a admission

>>718237606
every single time

>>718235831
>/tv/ sucks for television and film, but good for anime.
etc
Not even close, every anime thread on /tv/ is about the same 3 old shows everyone watched on Toonami until the wannabe janny appears screeching about "tranime"

>>718237575
I might quit writing, too, if my two biggest writer friends died within a year of each other.

Are you bad enough to be the REAL ETERNAL CHAMPION?
>slav nationalist for a regime that no longer exists
>pedo and animal fucker
>cocaine addict
>hates jews but is constantly mistaken for one
>Nazi but hated by nazis
>hates commies and muslims but has to work with them all the time
Pyat is truly /pol/ distilled imho

>>718235831
Fuck, 100% agreed. The issue is that retards are simmering into their own retardations for far too long in their little bubble, so if you talk about books on /lit/ you'll get

>Implying reading books, lmao, goyslop slop fakefun forced read goyslop SLOPPA slop

While if you talk about books absolutely everywhere but /lit/, you'll get a cogent conversation. Sometimes a little bit heated, but cogent. That's much of the same thing for /a/ and anime.

And /v/ and video games. There is no board less able to talk about video games than /v/.

>>718237606
>Jewish heritage
So he has some watered down Jewish blood in him and that informs some his writings. It doesn't really make you Jewish if you just have some Jewish blood from a great grandmother or something that would be too watered down to count wouldn't it?

>>718237575
>cas
>didn't do much more prose work
Six volumes worth of short stories isn't much? And these don't include his juvenalia.

>>718207028 (OP)
Just play symphony of the night

>>718235465
Literally the correct definition and not what you typed, you black individual.

>>718237206
I don't know how he would disavow 90% of his total body of work. Google's not helping either.

>>718207028 (OP)
It's a genuine shame that awful threads like this are allowed.

>>718238058
/lit/ it's just a really juvenile board, if you ever find one of those threads where you have to say how old are you would find that over half of the board is under the age of 25, hell I think I've only seen two guys state that they were +30 years old

>ctrl+f
>no mention of Ursula K. Le Guin
Her Earthsea cycle is the best. One of the few fantasy authors who wrote dragons in a decent way.

>>718238338
Compared to Lovecraft and REH in the amount of time they had, it certainly is.

>mentally retarded mod makes an off topic thread
>just sits here talking himself,insulting people, and patting himself on the ass for 10 hours
What causes this sort of behavior and when is hiro gunna clean house again? This is one of the worst threads I have ever seen.

>>718239027
Power tripping is unfortunately normal for our shitass species.

>>718239027
>Intelligent discussion of literature
>Worse thread
Just admit that you cannot read

>>718239003
Fair enough, but CAS didn’t feel motivated to write after the passing of his parents and Lovecraft. He had been financially supporting his parents, and Lovecraft was incredibly enthusiastic about his writing. Once they were gone, CAS went back to writing poetry, painting, and making his weird sculptures.

>>718207028 (OP)
I miss when /lit/ was usable and not full of cringe nitwits like you. Normalfaggots ruined everything.

>>718238932
>first book is about a young arrogant mage who gets disfigured and traumatized for life after trying to summon an ancient queen's soul
>second book is about a girl stolen from her mother as a child and forced to serve dark vengeful gods
>fourth book is about a child raped by her father and tossed into a fire
>that short story about the mage drinking mercury "to be one with the earth's womb"
I love Le Guin, but damn, there was a lot of creepy shit hidden in her stories.

>>718239194
There's more of that asspatting. You'll just delete any actual discussion anyways.

>>718239027
I was forgetting every thread on /v/ needs at least one post about cuckoldry.

>>718239212
The weird sculptures are cool at least.

>>718238779
>I know nothing about “real-life Gorean slavery among some people in the BDSM community.” The “BDSM” reference worries me. I dissociate myself from BDSM, at least as I understand it. I may, of course, misunderstand it. I wonder if one would settle merely for “real-life Gorean slavery,” because, as I understand it, BDSM is not Gorean. If something is not beautiful, it is not Gorean. In any event, I am assuming that what is involved here, in any case, is consensual. If a woman chooses to submit herself, voluntarily, to a master, it seems to me that is her business, and his business. She would then, of course, be a slave, and would be treated as a slave. One supposes remarkable fulfillments may occur in such an arrangement. It is, of course, important to treat the slave, however uncompromisingly strict you are with her, however much she might fear you, in a humane way, as one would any other animal. Some men, I gather, dislike women, and enjoy hurting them. That makes no sense to me. Women are wonderful, and precious. It is a delight to own one; why would one hurt her? What would be the point of that, mere sadistic pleasure? I think we might distinguish between, say, S/M sex, or sadomasochistic sex, and M/S sex, or Master/Slave Sex. In a sense they seem opposite. Love is important. It is not to be confused with cruelty. Gratuitous cruelty seems to me uncalled for, and ugly, morally and aesthetically. Too, it seems unworthy of a true master. The point is loving and serving, and owning and mastering, not hurting. To be sure, the slave must understand that if she is not pleasing, she is subject to discipline. She is not to be left in doubt that she is a slave. It is easy to avoid discipline; she need only be obedient, submissive, and found pleasing, wholly, and in all ways. Sometimes a slave may desire to be reassured of her bondage. There are many ways in which the master, if he wishes, may see to this.

>>718239419
Hey, Western genre fiction is exactly where all the cuckshit is. Worse, it's not tagged so it's always a surprise.

>>718239249
Yeah, Conan isn't even an Eceleb, Wtf? And where the politics or religion at?

>>718239510
> I have written an entire book, the Imaginative Sex book, in which my views on such matters should be reasonably clear.
holy yap
so many words to say so little

>>718239419
>posts books for literal teens like it's worth bragging over
Harold Bloom is wheeping in his grave.

>>718239510
I wonder how he got to the notion that bdsm=rape. Fuckers anyways empathized how supposedly consensual their shit is.

>>718239510
>Some men, I gather, dislike women, and enjoy hurting them. That makes no sense to me. Women are wonderful, and precious. It is a delight to own one; why would one hurt her? What would be the point of that, mere sadistic pleasure?
What a fucking chad.

But honestly, for all the Gorean books has a bad a bad repute, they're mostly Conan the Barbarian: we sometimes take sex slaves, edition. Gor isn't half as bad as many people make it to be. It becomes more intense with more books, but even then, Gor is literally less intense than the book about sorceress being made naked sex slaves in leash and collars in Wheel of Time.

>>718239735
You don't have a point and you only read slop. It's weird and cringe to see these forced off topic threads where the mod has to constantly reassure himself and go
>wow best thread /v/ has ever had!
>this novel for teen girls is epic literature!
What the hell is this shit lol? You're reading the elder scrolls of literature. Isn't /v/ full of enough low effort garbage without adding off topic low effort garbage to it as well? This is exactly the kind of slop I imagine Todd Howard reads.

>>718239847
it wouldn't get so much flak if it wasn't a screed about how all women actually secretly want to be rape-slaves dressed up in long-winded adventure story prose and poorly done sex stuff

>>718207028 (OP)
he looks like a sissy elf

>>718240048
Didn't read your yapping.
Lady Chatterley's Lover, that was my point. Read more kid.

>>718240117
Sounds like modern /lit/ has completely rotted your brain.

>>718208385
>I think he even made a joke about him liking BBC once
Yeah, he said Elric was an albino twink obsessed with a big black phallic sword.
>Moorcock himself seems to not think highly of Elric
Moorcock is an asshole, he obviously doesn't like Elric because he overshadows his other work and also, because he is way too popular. Similar to how certain artists hate their most popular works just for being popular.
Also his complain about Gor was just him being a total bitch
>Science fiction/fantasy author Michael Moorcock has suggested that the Gor novels should be placed on the top shelves of bookstores, saying, "I'm not for censorship but I am for strategies which marginalize stuff that works to objectify women and suggests women enjoy being beaten."
As if he hasn't written bad things happening to women, he even says he doesn't want censorship and instead he wants to censor the way corporations do.
He is an asshole. Epic Pooh is also him being a bigger bitch.

>>718240117
>read more
>repeated at least 20 times
This really just implies you don't read shit. A hit dog will holler.

>>718207028 (OP)
I hear Destiny 2 basically did Elric with one of it's characters but it's dumb as fuck and halfassed.

>>718239827
Bro, the wider BDSM community HATES Goreans because they are weird about consent and try to force their maledom lifestyle shit on people.

>>718240245
>Also his complain about Gor was just him being a total bitch
What did he say about Gor?

>>718240326
It's in my post. Just below.

>>718240058
Wheel of Time was written by a dude who, past the 2nd book, tried his hardest to push as many fetishes he could into his narrative. This includes:

- Magical BDSM.
- Mind control.
- Collar and pet play.
- Queen being mind controlled and then enslaved
- Villainess getting cunny from mind controlled princesses
- The same villainess being enslaved and pissed on by amazons and then forced to give cunny.

Yet, no one bats an eyelash about WoT. If you're shitting on Gor, better check out your own garden

>>718207028 (OP)
Why are no elric video games what?
use your words pedro

>no Elric vidya
Are people being purposely retarded and memoryholing LoK/SR
It even has the overarching theme of 'muh destiny' and everyone backstabbing or getting backstabbed

>>718240310
The "bdsm community" are collectively femdom fags now? I mean, maybe, I don't know. You sure are.

>>718240656
I still seethe about Defiance because the ending is something a woman would write.

>>718239249
/lit/ hasn't been good since it was called /r9k/, the first iteration before the board split into /lit/ and /sci/. /lit/ itself is full of normalfags who only guzzle down the top bestselling trad-pub titles while ridiculing every other form of story. Just like /v/ normalfags with AAA games and hating on indie for no reason.

>>718240692
You're making it pretty clear that you don't know anything about Goreans.

>>718212379
He is a complete hypocrite, you can compare his disdain for the Virgin Mary in that short story, and then how he adopted a Holier than Thou with Gor, because "Gor is mean with women".
>>718218943
Moorcock is part of the tribe, you simpleton.
Are all anti-Christians always this dumb?
>>718238068
By jewish law you are considered jew and you have their faith by blood. Which is why conversion is not technically possible unless you are born into the tribe.

>>718240882
I know that super consensual maledom is based. This not enough?

>>718240958
>Which is why conversion is not technically possible
Sure there is, you just get to be a lower class citizen and also have less religious responsibility. They also run a bunch of shitty cults that serve up a similar narrative. The nose tribe is actually pretty open about their delusions of grandeur.

>>718208385
KEKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK. And there are people who genuinely defend this guy is better than actual fantasy authors like Tolkien or Howard. This guy is a fucking cuckshit enjoyer like most "grimdark" authors.

>>718241021
Brother. There's a reason no one likes these guys.

>>718211368
Elric is a more of a ripoff of Túrin Turambar then Geralt is a ripoff of Elric.

>>718218858
>I had no idea who this character was before watching
You are subhuman, because you never cared to investigate where the inspiration behind Arthas Menethil and his soul-devouring sword had come from. People without intellectual curiosity are subhuman.

>>718241406
All he's going to do is type another buzzword. Why are you trying to hold a good faith conversation with a Chinese Room?

>>718241406
Femdom is gay as fuck, and women only do it for money. You being into it is just a side effect of how weak Western men have become. Literal coping.

>>718241406
>>718241616
lol told you dude

>>718241520
How can Elric be a ripoff of a character that has not been published yet?
Remember, the first Elric story, The Dreaming City, came out in 1961, and the first time Túrin Turambar shows up in any detail is in The Silmarillion from 1977 so the Timeline does not match at all.

>>718240245
Moorcuck was a postmodernist faggot deconstructor before GRRM. His relevance disappeared because he was a cuck & a hippie. GRRM is heavily influenced by Moorcuck. (Everyone who says the most prolific ripoff of Elric is the Witcher is fucking insane & just parroting what others say. Chaos THE WARHAMMER FACTION DOWN TO THE LOGO is ripped straight from Elric). The dragon riding Valyrians are straight ripoffs of the Melnibonéans and Bloodraven is more Elric than Geralt ever was (& Fulgrim is even more so but Games Workshop shamelessly stealing from others is another can of worms). GRRM is the modern Moorcock. Moorcock shit talked Tolkien and became irrelevant as his own 'standards' were beyond his own ability to live up to. GRRM came along & did what Moorcock never could, but raised the bar in an even greater fedora tipping way and has now shot himself in the foot as well, unable to even finish his series. In 40 years there will be another fantasy flavor of the decade fuck who sees himself as Tolkien's rival and GRRM will be supplanted by him as he did to Moorcock.

All these people want to 'deconstruct' the 'myth' of good & evil to be more 'real' while ignoring LotR was written by a guy who literally fought in a war; the most morally gray war in human history. You can't lecture a man on 'realism' when he actually fought a goddamned war & you didn't.

Still, inspite of being written by a faggot, Elric is a cool character. I hate his author & always will, but Elric himself is cool & I will simp for him until the end of days. But like, FUCK, why the FUCK would you leave Yyrkoon in charge of Melniboné after he tried to coup you? I don't care if you were being memed into fighting by the god Games Workshop ripped off to make Tzzentch. You should have hanged Yrykoon by his fucking entrails nigga. God damn.

WE WUZ EREKOSË N SHIIIET. I SWER NIGGA WE WUZ ETERNAL CHAMPIONZ. WE WUZ SAILIN DEM SEAS 'O FATE N FINNA LOOKIN FO TANELORN.

>>718231885
All of the websites you listed were social media, you have to look deeper than that to name the issue. It was centralization in the pursuit of revenue that ruined it, not social media. Social media had existed for thousands of years, ever since people began to paint insults towards one another on cave walls.

>>718241520
Don't say that, Moorcock gets super triggered about that!
Moorcock doesn't deny that Kullervo and Dietrich von Bern was one of the main inspirations for Elric tho

>>718236008
Eternal Champion is a good book. No surprise that normalfaggots didn't get it.

>>718241158
Even if you are a good goy under Nohide law you are not considered a jew, you are still inferior and at best a good pet, not a jew like them.

>>718240828
>/lit/ itself is full of normalfags who only guzzle down the top bestselling trad-pub titles while ridiculing every other form of story.
This, people over there masturbate endlessly about philosophy and religion but those threads always end being shit flinging competitions and calling everyone Jewish or a cuck, it's just altright Twitter except you can't see who is Mexican or who has a cuck fetish

>>718241831
Hey don't be too mad about Erekose, dude's just gaga for his elf waifu. The second book where he's Urlik (Phoenix in Obsidian) was bizarrely one of the big inspirations for Book of the New Sun too

>>718242051
Yeah. Literally the point I was making. I also suspect Hitler, Blavatsky and whoever also was into racial occultism at the time did it as a reaction to the Jews' bullshit. Partly, at least.

>>718241831
Elric is sorta retarded and does make decisions arbitrarily because he thinks that's the best way to overcome his Melnibonean heritage, even if it's actually logical and not just pointless cruelty

>>718241759
>he doesn't know
He isn't. People just say he is because Moorcock hated the comparison.

>>718240463
I dont remember the villainess you describe. First sentence sounds like Grendal, second like Semirahg mabe?

>>718242335
The weird chick that mind controls people via dreams I think?

Embarassing thread.

All I get from this thread is people really despise morecuck, but he also was a massive influence on fantasy that noone outside of writers likes to admit. Shit thread.

>>718242290
Why is Elric in 70s Zimbabwe in this comic panel?

>>718213691
REH is the greatest. He created Solomon, Conan, Kull, Mak, Agnes.
Barbarian warriors, powerful puritan crusaders, Kings from forgotten ages, Women that fight all sorts of injustice, brawlers that travel around the world.
I read some of the old Solomon Kane comics adapted by Chaykin, man those were great.
>>718214905
>>718215128
His life was tragic. HP had mad respect for the man.

>>718215593
REH talent and how iconic was Conan the Cimmerian and his world.
Conan was like Nerevar and The Elder Scrolls before the Elder Scrolls.

>>718242779
He's in America

>>718235334
>Especially through Conan, who absolutely hates them and considers them subhuman
But that's more of a generational/tribal thing. Cimmerians and picts are enemies since the Thurian age.

>>718215593
It's the distrust of organized community: state and religions; and it's all in favor of self-coneptualization and self-reliance.

>>718242154
Gene Wolfe is so far above Moorcock, it's absurd. The bong hippie is a good ideas guy but nothing else.

>>718237575
>Smith also had a thing for MILFs
I didn't know that, based.

Where does the trope of mostly naked barbarians come from anyways?
Howard's Conan was never really less-dressed than other people and wore armor most of the time.

>>718243573
Several stories has Conan when he was poor as shit or out sneaking around so he didn't really wear much

>>718243573
Some stories like Tower of the Elephant, have Conan wearing very little except a lioncloth, but the main reason is just Frezzata art that the main thing decided that Barbarians = Lioncloth

>>718243391
I personally love the Viricnoium Sequence and Gormenghast
Moorcock was very much a multi media artist though and super big into the metal and comics scene of the time, and really did help 2000 AD and Heavy Metal

>>718243807
>>718243920
Yeah, of course he wore less sometimes, but it was always for a reason while he normally wore normal clothing or armor whenever possible. He wasn't the loincloth barbarian that pop culture has always had.
I'm just curious if there's some specific origin point of the imagery. Did someone do an illustration or cover of an early pulp magazine that made it standard? It had to come from somewhere because it's not from Conan himself. Was it Tarzan?

read fantasy novel written by a woman its always about some man betraying her and shes looking for revenge or some shit.

are there any good female fantasy authors or are they all shite?

>>718244578
Earthsea series by Ursula K. Le Guin

>>718244578
Naomi Novik

>>718244578
>Andre Norton
>Ann McCaffrey
>Elizabeth Moon
>Marion Zimmer Bradley
>Melanie Rawn
>Kathy Tyers
>Jennifer Fallon
>Margaret Cavendish
>Christine De Pizan
>Marie De France

>>718242154
Fedora tipper here,

WAAAY too much of atheism is not a disbelief in god, but angry tard raging against Christianity. I didn't read any of Elric until relatively recently, but growing up I read LotR, Narnia, and His Dark Materials and I've always been blindsided hy how much more His Dark Materials needs Christianity to be understood then LotR or Narnia does. In a world where Roman paganism still dominated, I could sell LotR and, with a bit more difficulty, Narnia. That's not the case with His Dark Materials. His Dark Materials, despite being an ATHEIST work, depends on the existence of god to communicate its themes and set its own story into motion. There is nothing fundamentally atheist about the story except half of the time Lord Asriel is talking. Elric is overwhelmingly better at this, but the spite and deconstruction shit is still there. Far too much of Elric seems to be about doing the opposite of what Tolkien and Robert E Howard did. That's not to say Elric doesn't work on its own, it actually has moments of building things apart from just tearing shit down, but even then, the spite comes through a lot. Unlike most anti-Christian media, Elric actually builds on something, the character of Elric himself, but when that's all you do, it becomes more interesting to just borrow the character and shove him somewhere else then bother with the packaged deal of Elric's Warhammer-lite world.

>>718241831
The only thing I like about Elric is his aesthetic and appearance. But I think that's more of a merit of the artists and not of Moorcuck.

>>718239510
brevity is the soul of wit

>>718214351
sounds like an unsubtle pulp fiction turin turambar

>>718246002
epic contribution to the thread

>>718245396
Bro, a lot of Elric is just 'doomed hero at the end of time' stuff. You see it from Der Ring de Nibelungen to Kalki of the Kali Yuga, not everything revolves around hatred or love of the Church. Hell, fucking Severian of Book of the New Sun and Silk from Long Sun is the same sorta apocalyptic hero

>Best thread on /v/ by far
>It has nothing to do with videogames

>>718209547
Sorry, the card says "Moops"

>>718215792
I really liked "Revenge of the Rose" though

>>718247128
first day on /v/?

>>718247128
Many such cases!

>>718247128
videogames are garbage "flavor of the month" type of shit. Only few of them leave enough of an impact to be worthy of discussing.

>>718249526
Top 5 videogames, Now

>>718249526
Modern games maybe but old games never.
There's several games that came out decades ago that still can be discussed at length and some have so many user made content and mods.

>>718207028 (OP)
What makes it good? i heard about it but nobody actually says its good, most people just say its mid.

You need talent to adapt stories into games though, CDPR could do it because they are talented story developers, but a lot of other devs can't do that.

>>718243345
It wasn't so much distrust of organized community as it is distrust of improperly elected authority that Conan detests. Conan frequently was a member of various communities that he took control of, like raiders or pirates, to get whatever he wanted. He detested the unjust, incompetent and those that abuse their position to escape comeuppance, the stereotypical richfaggot psychopath would be something Conan would absolutely not abide.

>"I hung there on a cross as you are hanging, and I lived, thanks to circumstances and a stamina peculiar to barbarians. But you civilized men are soft; your lives are not nailed to your spines as are ours. Your fortitude consists mainly in inflicting torment, not in enduring it. You will be dead before sundown. And so, Falcon, I leave you to the companionship of another bird of the desert."

>>718215128
>>before he died when was only 30
>tfw I've outlived Robert E. Howard

>>718251497
>quoting a quote in response to a quote that has nothing to do with humor in order to get a haha gotcha
nedroid is too good for your ill-tainted vitriol

>>718251793
malding

>>718240958
>>718241158
Wasn't JewWario a Jewish convert?

>>718252127
>newfag buzzword
surprising

>>718209547
>moorishcock
thats somhow better to you?

>>718227034
>goyim did you know everything sucks because you have too much freedom? let me fix that for you goy!
t-thanks Moshe.

>>718240958
you can easily google the process for converting to judaism, they aren’t literally blood related to the israelites, it’s all just stories and larp and purposefully confusing rules so crypsis is easier

>>718243573
>>718243920
I think one the Roman historians wrote about Barbarians fighting in battle naked or at least partially naked. I think it might have been Tacitus but I might be mistaken.

>>718244578
>its always about
Not true. There's also stockholm syndrome novels.

>>718245396
>WAAAY too much of atheism is not a disbelief in god, but angry tard raging against Christianity
indeed
>>718254019
>>718252138
Converted jews are not considered equal to normal jews.
>it’s all just stories and larp and purposefully confusing rules so crypsis is easier
Though this is an interesting point. Because it makes you wonder what jews are really jews and not descendants from converted gentiles, while ironically a lot of ancestral jews converted Christianity, making them Christians and their families to probably this day.

>>718256641
converted to Christianity*
and their families probably to this day*

>>718256641
(((jews))) today are canaanites and all three big monotheistic religions (christianity/islam/mormonism) originated thanks to their desert death cult

>>718214902
>not the second stinky chronicles
I'm still pissed off I got around to finishing the second half. Really enjoyed the Corwin stuff too.

>>718216098
Nah, just looks 100% certified evil guy.
>edgy
When the guy is a lanky twink yet acts in a way he thinks a guy in your pic acts like.

>>718235168
I tried watching some of Razorfists videos and the cringe was too strong. His edgy swearing schtick is too awkward when he's talking about books instead of heavy metal

>>718238806
It's the only good thread on the catalog