Thread 718208819

Unreal Engine 5 has been confirmed to be mediocre, BTFO.

Despite all the heaps of movie-shit Tim has bloated the Unreal Engine with he never adds things for video games, like environmental destruction. Japanese devs did environmental destructive that shit in shoddy engines 20 years ago--X-Com did it in the early 1990s--but Tim the billionaire can't be bothered to add video gamey components to Unreal. Instead he adds shit that ratchets up hardware req's so he can brag about 3D PHOTOREALISTIC GRAFIXES

>>718208819 (OP)
GUYS I NEED YOUR HELP

>>718209017
Its unfortunately what they only care about because it is easier to market and drives more sales
If people werent such niggercattle and would actually stop giving a shit about graphics then we would actually make the world a very different place because then people wouldnt be niggercattle anymore

>>718208819 (OP)
barely literate jeet in the OP that copypastes article headlines btw

>>718208819 (OP)
still not playing Battleshit

Honestly, after playing the beta, I agree.
The game looks good and runs at 4k60 on an RTX 3080 with very little stuttering, I'd gladly take it over UE5slop.
The game itself is nothing special, but it's at least solid on the tech side.

>>718208819 (OP)
Fuck Pirate Nation
Fuck Battlesneed
and FUCK Dice

captcha 4202w

>>718208819 (OP)
general audiences really shouldn't concern themselves with the tech side of things like this because they have no idea what they're talking about.

>>718208819 (OP)
isn't all their destruction scripted tho
I haven't played a BF since Bad Company 2 but I remember their shit was moving away from being dynamic and was all about le epic set piece now

>>718208819 (OP)
But The Finals running on UE has better destruction than BF6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yCPPKdzNOo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMCnFmcMb_8

>>718209017
>wah wah UE5 bad"
fuck you

>>718209519
Now if only they could have made an actual shooter instead of a shitty hero shooter.
They should have just made a BF clone like Delta Force, they could have even kept their dumb hero system and Brink-esque body type system.

>>718209597
Given the games that come out of it, yeah. Sure it can be a great engine, but seems more like a cost cutting measure shit studios use to produce shit games cheaply. Without it, we'd at least get less crap.

fps games are bad

>>718209731
>server must accomodate 64 players AND have a fully destructible environment, which, btw, is processed entirely on the server side
Not a single game company is insane enough to pay for such servers, especially for a f2p game

Saar! Do not insult Epic or Unreal Saar!
Is good engine! Bloody BITCH!

>>718209113
Shut up, they guy is actually right and he's pointing out main I dustry flaws

>>718209017
Not only that but UE5 just does not support basic things that everyone else already has done.
>Directstorage that supports NVME drives(No Lumen does not count)
>Real Time Lighting(it currently crashes in certain situations even in small rooms)
>Multiple types of Anti-Aliasing and not just smearing TAA
>Different types of shaders for Toon Shading and Cell Shading(Currently Anime style or Cartoon style hardly has any real support for Developers)
No joke even basic Engines try to do this and actually do a better job because they listen. With UE, it's like everyone has to complain loud everywhere on Social Media and tell these AAA companies to stop using it and promoting the race to mediocrity.

>>718209519
>Running on a custom fork of the NVidia branch of ue5

>>718208819 (OP)
OP has been confirmed to gargle cock and balls
No end in sight experts say

>>718209113
He is correct and insightful. I would rather listen to him than Shillfoundry.

Despite me loving Rogue City, it's unoptimized shit and has phony destruction. Near the end of the game, there were literally hovering pieces of concrete in the air.

Why do devs have to attach themselves to such slop shit engines?

>>718208819 (OP)
I thought nuDICE didn't know how to make shit in Frostbite

>>718208819 (OP)
Meanwhile the Finals, made by the original DICE team, runs perfectly fine on Unreal Engine. Way better destruction as well.

>>718209308
Holy fucking shit I had this in fifth grade.

>>718210537
They had to fire all the useless white males and replace them with talented black trans women to fix Battlefield with BF6

>>718210626
>runs perfectly fine
Ehh, it runs okay by UE5 standards, but it runs far worse than any Frostbite BF game and looks worse than any post-BF4.

>>718208819 (OP)
The Finals runs on UE5

>>718208819 (OP)
UE only has some dogshit plugin called Mayhem thats literally just a slider that lets you chose if player can destroy some small assets like random rocks lmao. If you played UE5 you probably saw how sometimes you can destroy random ass stuff while everything else is static asset. Not everyone enables that because its CPU taxing. Epic was working on something with Havok before they got bought by Microsoft but after that it got cancelled and Epic just gave up and wrapped up unfinished shit as Mayhem.

>>718210361
God fucking dam it, the cell shader is salt in the fucking wound. I hate unreal so much, it's literally an afternoon of coding but no, the engine has 5 slightly different subsurface shading models and 50 more. All 90% of them useless.
AA is other of my biggest complains but seeing how they just refuse to clean even the fucking base shadows or texture filtering it's here to stay. In what world it's ok to rely on TAA for texture filtering holy shit

>>718210696
Looks mean nothing. You're playing Battlefield for the destruction.

>>718210729
Just look into Guilty Gear Strive's leaked source code. That game uses cel shading and runs on Unreal Engine 5

>>718210778
I'm playing Battlefield for the squad, class-based gameplay, fuck are you talking about?

>>718208819 (OP)
bullshit, anything can be made on any engine

>>718210804
Strive runs on UE4.

>>718210804
I know how to do it, but it's a mandatory engine modification. For a fucking shader. Takes ages to recompile the engine and on top of that there is no documentation, like for the 99% of things on this garbage engine.

>>718210626
>>718210703
The Final runs on heavily modifed custom fork of UE5. Enivornment destruction tech used in that game was developed by Embark from scratch. CDPR is also modyfing UE5 because it has issues with asset streaming to a point where they couldnt even prototype properly so they have to develop own asset streaming tech from scratch lmao.
>>718210804
Strive is on UE4 and ArcSys developed custom rendering pipeline for XRD back in 2013 and they use it to this day.

>>718210984
I genuinely don't get why CDPR is abandoning their custom engine for UE5slop when they have to heavily modify UE5 to get it to work for their purposes anyways.
What the fuck is the point?

>>718211081
because when you have a proprietary engine you can't treat all your lead software engineers like absolute shit. The lead RedEngine dev left over the Witcher 3 bonus and unpaid OT jewery.

>>718211081
Because SDK enivornment itself is still UE5 despite modifications. Average contracted codemonkey,artist or whatever or outsourced pajeet wont even know that engine is modified. They still will be able to coddled with blueprint system and UEs SDK in general. Heavy modifications under the hood is something that wont affect new employees and outsourced goblins.

that's been known for years, even the unreal 5 flagship (fortnite) is a buggy mess

>>718208819 (OP)
Frostbite is a good engine but it's only able to be effectively used by DICE, because they made the damned thing. It always fell short when EA tried forcing every other game developer onto it.

>>718211370
You can say anything you want about Veilguard but that game runs and looks good. Dead Space remake is fine too especially in comparison to UE5 trash. It seems after all these years they finally managed to modify it so its more flexible engine.

>>718211081
>I genuinely don't get why [company] is abandoning their custom engine for UE5slop
Simple answer is money. We saw it with Halo Infinite about how Blam! is "too restrictive" and not the fact they hired jeets on 6 month contracts because it was cheaper than retaining the developers who know/knew how Blam! works.

that and the first guys they gave DICE's engine to was BioWare who notoriously don't know how to use anything. Bioware are Visual Novel writers, not developers.

>>718211598
It was actually BlackBox. NFS The Run is running on Frostbite.

>>718209017
Yeah, like you said, with Unreal Engine 4 they really sold it to Disney (Mandalorian) and other movie studios trying to cut costs by not using talented people and instead using a few CG interns and outsourcing to India. I think that's why Rockstar also used Pajeets for the GTA Trilogy which ran on Unreal. I think the biggest sign that Unreal is garbage is that Nintendo and it's 2nd parties used it on 3 games and none of them could hit 60fps and 1080p.

>>718211047
This is also how GTA IV was made.

>>718208819 (OP)
Don't disagree with UE being dogshit but that's rich coming from the studio that fucks up almost every single release.

>>718210424
The nvidia branch just has the nvidia plugins like RTX and DLSS built in

>>718211706
Its because Unreal has generous easy to use wrapper. If you have well preserved source code and middleware it can be used just for rendering and save a lot of work like it is with Ninja Gaiden 2 Black for example.

>>718209017 >>718210361
fartnig has dynamic environments
so it is easily possible

>>718208819 (OP)
Good, Unreal 5 is fucking garbage

>>718210984
>prototype properly so they have to develop own asset streaming tech from scratch lmao
It's literally being developed as a plugin. It's not some major engine overhaul. The Fast Geometry Streaming Plugin in UE5.6 is literally what CDPR worked on for Witcher 4. I've made plugins for goal-oriented planning and lag compensation because unreal engine doesn't provide that out of the box. It's not major work compared to the rest of the shit the engine provides.

>>718211539
Except Slipspace is dogshit. You're defending an engine that was somehow so fundamentally flawed that it couldn't support 4v4 online play reliably.

>>718211539
SlipSpace Engine is absolute shit

>>718209017
You have no idea what you’re talking about nigger, UE5 has plenty of destruction built in through Chaos, which they recently improved in 5.5 and 5.6.
You’re talking out of your ass, I wish retards like you would keep quiet about topics you know nothing about.

>>718210473
because this isn't the 90s and developing your own engine from scratch is both stupid and a waste
unreal is fine for what it is, yeah bf6 has environmental destruction but that doesn't pay the bills otherwise crysis would be an aaa+ ip

>>718212126
You’re a poor third-worlder.
Your opinion, doesn’t really matter?

>>718208819 (OP)
>pajeet nation
>Sirland
Lol
Lmoa

UE5 was designed for jeetcoders.

>>718210984
why not just use ue4
specially indies

The destruction in Battlefield 6 is fucking garbage though lmao, you can shoot a rocket at a building and it does nothing then just pops when you shoot a second rocket at it.

>>718209017
>so he can brag about 3D PHOTOREALISTIC
No, it was so they can get money from the tv and movie production business. TV shows and now even movies (Furiosa) had their VFX done with real time UE5 due to how cheap and easy it makes things. They had George Miller like steering the virtual camera with the analog stick while the scene plays out, and just sent the screen recording to the final edit

>>718209264
>playing a fps at 4k 60fps

>>718208819 (OP)
I think it's better to stick to in-house engines than to switch to UE5, considering how dogshit UE5 games run and look.

>>718208819 (OP)
Stop spamming. I already commented on your August 6th thread(https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/717429728/). Here's my post again:

>DICE lead producer David Sirland says Battlefield 6's unique destruction isn't possible on a generic engine like Unreal Engine 5

David Sirland said "This kind of destruction, what we're doing, is not achievable on a generic engine". He, nor anyone else, didn't mention anything about Unreal Engine 5.

>>718211081
The problem is it's a race to the bottom.
>Train everyone to use UE5 from Chinese, Indians, Japanese, Americans
>Nobody knows how to make their own engine and therefore makes it more expensive to make your own because nobody knows how to do it.
>UE becomes standard while custom engine does not.

>>718213515
It literally is lol.

>generic engine
absolutely btfo. fuck you, tim. get shitted on.

>>718213349
Anon but how else would I get attention?

>>718209308
Is that Lego set from the 90s?

>>718209814
We'd get crap on another engine.

>>718213515
So Epic is so good at making and streamlinging the engine that even third worlders are able to shit out games with it while other engines need always the help of the developers to function properly.

>>718208819 (OP)
>competing company says their product is better.
nice thread faggot

>>718208819 (OP)
True, frostbite games still look great, even older ones, look at Battlefront 2 and battlefield 1, visually speaking.

>>718208819 (OP)
this guy related to pirate software?