Thread 718209625

wow... just wow... might be my favorite game. I'm depressed now that the game is over.

What's the next FF game that I should play? I've heard good things on 10.

Now play the New Threat 1.5 mod.

If you want something as close to 7 as possible, then FF6 is where it's at. Just don't waste your time with the awful pixel remaster editions, and instead stick with the original release.

you're going to want to play Clair Obscur Expedition 33 now

>>718209625 (OP)
Play the rest of the PS games, I guess, they're not as good but they're still pretty fun.
Personally I'm going through FFV for the first time and it's pretty decent. Story is a little lean but the job system in nice.

>>718209669
Looks pretty interesting. But I'm looking for a new game to play. A new story to discover.

>>718209625 (OP)
9 is the next best one. 8 is okay but has a lot of questionable mechanics changes. 10 is decent and is basically the last decent FF.

>>718209625 (OP)
You absolutely should do 10 next. But then kingdom hearts.

play 8 next so you can feel the sheer disappointment we had when we got that shit after 7

>>718209790
Are the pixel remasters really that bad? I looked at them on the steam store and it doesn't look that bad. Are the originals really better?

>>718209926
Yeah, 10 looks really good. My friend's father recommended me this one, but I'm also going on /v/ just to see what else people has to recommend.

>>718209845
>33
nah

>>718209984
Basically every release after the GBA ports got massively redesigned for the worse. I personally think the GBA versions of at least FFIV are the best since it actually has a visible ATB meter and the PAL versions fixed a lot of the bugs from earlier versions but I'm not sure for FFVI. Just avoid the post-GBA versions, I'd say.

4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 are all good mainline games. FF Tactics is great, followed by FF Tactics Advance and Advance 2. It's pretty much up to you. Maybe do them in chronologic order if you haven't played them

>>718209790
I’m surprised how often I see this. 7 was my favorite game of all time after I played it, and then I played 6 next and thought it was dogshit. Couldn’t even finish it, dropped it halfway through

only 6 and 8 are close to 7 when it comes to tone.

>>718210165
Alright, got it.

>>718210092
my problem with X is that it wastes your time with too much pointless bullshit in the first 10 hours or so. maybe it gets better after that, I dunno, I got bored of it quick.

FFX
TWEWY
FFT
FFTA
FFTA2

>>718209625 (OP)
8 or 9.

>>718210381
I thought FF5 was dogshit the very first time that I played it, but then 15 years later I gave it another chance and realized that it's actually an excellent game. Sometimes a person may think a game sucks because of their own emotional state independent of the game itself.

>>718209625 (OP)
FFVI, FFVIII, FFX. Those are your best bets if you loved FFVII.

>>718209625 (OP)
I also literally just finished it for the first time, just last night. It was alright, best FF I've played so far, but still dragged on a bit.

>>718210467
If you do decide to play the GBA version of IV, be sure to get the EU version, since it fixes a lot of bugs in the NA release. For some reason the JP release got an early botched build and then a second release with it mostly fixed, and then for the international release they sent the shit one to America and the fixed one to Europe, it's really weird.

It's very, VERY important that you go directly to FF8 just to see what kind of bullshit slop that Square DARED to pass off as the next direct line sequel to one of the best games of all time.
You need to understand how disappointing, underwhelming, and retarded 8 is, so that you grow a healthy hatred of Square just like anyone who was alive during that era.

Then play 10 since it's the next passable game, and punish yourself by playing 10-2 and hating these motherfuckers all over again.

>>718210584
Maybe it's just me, but the opening for V feels kind of dry compared to IV and VI. Say what you like a about Cecil, but starting as a guilt ridden war criminal who has to escort one of his few surviving refugee victims is at least a pretty neat hook, and then VI has mind controlled witches and rebels and shit. And in V you have, I dunno, a princess, and some crystals keep exploding because of falling meteors and that's making everything shitty, I guess. At least there's a reverse trap pirate, though, that's something.

>>718210752
>10-2
>bad

what can i do for you?

FFVIII being tonally and stylistically different after VII is a good thing. It's probably not the exact game Square set out to make, but another story as heavy as VII would've been exhausting.

>>718210752
At least FF8 still had good music, though. Uematsu kept up his end of the bargain, shame about everyone else.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj_MqRAA8es

>>718209625 (OP)
Kingdom Hearts

>>718209845
game looks hideous and runs like garbage.

>>718210908
I dunno, I like VIII visually but I feel like it set a bad precedent of moving away from anime and chibi style characters to that weird pseudo-realistic style of characters, often dressed like twats, that's plagued Squeenix ever since, ignoring daliances like IX and various spinoffs.

>>718209625 (OP)
FFV for 2D
FFX for 3D

>>718209625 (OP)
>What's the next FF game that I should play? I've heard good things on 10.
FFX is shit.
Maybe try Chrono Cross or Final Fantasy tactics instead.

>>718211049
I think Square felt pressured to go into that direction anyway. FFVII was already using more realistic proportioned characters in FMVs and battle screens and they only looked as stylized as they did because it reflected the design trends of anime in the mid-to late 90s. If Sakaguchi had stayed at Square and the FF franchise hadn't imploded in the 2000s I imagine they would've eventually gone back to experiementing with different styles after the novelty of realistic graphics wore off.

>>718209625 (OP)
Remake.
Trust me, it is good. /v/ is just blinded with nostalgia.
>>718210584
This. I might not like some aspect of the games but no Final Fantasy game ever made me hate it (except X-2).

I guess I'll go with 10, then 6 and then 9. Does that sound good?

Also, I don't know about Kingdom Hearts.

>>718209625 (OP)
hey what was your interpretation of the ending and postgame scene. There is a correct answer.

4,5,6,8,9,10,12

Everyday someone "just beat FF7" and share it with us. Organic.

>>718211403
>Also, I don't know about Kingdom Hearts.
Neither do I, honestly. If it interests you I don't see why you shouldn't try it, but as someone who grew up with FFVII through IX I never saw the appeal. I think I had more engagement playing the FFVII characters in Ehrgeiz than what little I played of KH1, frankly, but it's a popular series so who knows, maybe you'll like it.

>>718209625 (OP)
10's shit. 5's the best.

>>718211382
"""remake""" is the worst thing ever made. and the single worst butcherign of an iconic story in the history of mankind.

-the gameplay is 99% walking simulator slop designed to waste your time
-the cutscenes, characters and dialogue are all sub-human, autistic and baldy written and belong in naruto/kingdom hearts or some other anirme garbage made for children.

>>718211605
It's almost like it's some kind of esteemed classic that's gained recent publicity due to high profile remakes, or something.

>>718211425
I don't know really. But I think Aeris sacrificed herself to return to the lifestream. When Meteor was about to hit, the lifestream stopped meteor. But I have no idea why Holy merged with Meteor though.

For the postgame scene, well it's red 13 with its little cubs looking at midgar 500 years later and it's overgrown with vegetation. The planet is no longer being exploited for mako.

>>718211662
>high profile remakes
>sold like shit
Doesn't seem like good publicity at all.

>>718210843
The story for V is a slow burn because the game is more about the gameplay mechanics. Things don't start to get interesting until Galuf regains his memory after the 3rd crystal explodes.

>>718211758
Not the point I was making but please go on with whatever axe you have to grind.

>>718211605
Everything I said in my thread is true. I swear.

>>718211605
Apologies, FAGGOT, but I've been chronologically making my way through the FF games and I just finished 7 last night. Sorry if this troubles you for some strange reason.

>>718211815
They're pretty great gameplay mechanics, for sure. I'm waiting for the point where the game will punish me for abusing Barehanded but I'm not sure it's going to happen any time soon.

>>718211758
Square expected Call of Duty numbers because they're delusional. Anything is a disappointment if that's the standard you're setting for yourself.

>>718211838
>>718211867
LMAO
BUY AN AD

>718211997
Buy a real hobby.

>>718211881
>Call of Duty numbers
Absolutely false, the game sold like shit even with low expectations about the PS5. 2 million (not even the official numbers) for fucking FF7 is so damn pathetic.

>>718211403
As long as you do play them, it's all good. I have friend who earlier this month finished 8 after 7 and 6 and is now playing 5 on my recomendation and says he's having fun with the job system and lighter story. I still think you'd be better off playing them in the release order, but you do you. The most important thing is you do play and treat each instalment as their own experience. I personally think it would interesting for you to see how each game evolved from the previous.

>>718211657
You are just blinded by nostalgia.
Remake is close to what FF7 was imagined to be back in 1997, but with current graphics.
You think you went in Midgar for 1 hour and then think you should spend as long too in Remake. That's not how it works. You will never get to enjoy modern games that way.

>>718211662
>high profile remakes
No remake of FF7 exists.

>>718211871
You can't really fuck up your party or ability set up. In the end the archer's 4xAttack is must for physical characters and Red Mage's hardest ability to learn Double Cast for magical characters. Each job you master gives bonuses to Freelancer and Mime. Freelancer will be your end game physical job and Mime your magical job. The optional super bosses will require characters' having access to multi-attacks, thunder element attack and protection from thunder/water and chance to paralyze/stop. The accessory sold in the 3rd world will grant you the protection but it's expensive.

Also for the final fight you will want Chemist ability to Mix and grant double the max HP

>>718212189
I don't care for them either and I refuse to play them, pretending that they don't exist and aren't the reason younger people are noticing the original FFVII more these days is just delusional though.

>>718211997
go back to gooning in your gacha thread

>>718212125
>Remake is close to what FF7 was imagined to be back
they couldn't even get the environment designs right.
7R is pure trash. the lowest quality slop ever made.

>>718209984
>Are the originals really better?
No.

>>718212329
I always wonder did whatever retarded Indians making these dogshit models and low quality textures in this demake, ever stop to consider how fucking bad it looks?

>>718212264
I mean I figured I'd have to level a little bit of everything so I'm just taking things as they come for the time being, but the thing I'm finding for Barehanded specifically is that it seems to let me level any job regardless of type and specialization and still punch everything to death without much opposition. And because it requires being unarmed I don't even have to worry about weapon restrictions or really even buying weapons in general. Maybe it's not optimium but it's working out for me so far, I'll keep an eye out for those jobs you mentioned going forward certainly, so thanks.

>>718212329
Looks totally soulless. Why is it day? Wasn't Sector 7 slums underneath the plates and stuck in perpetual darkness?

>>718212125
Nah remakes are trash. I noticed this remake slop trend when Silent Hill 2 remake was released.

>>718212464
Aye. Also Steal from each Gilgamesh fight

>>718212329
>>718212525
It was the same thing, Remake just went with daytime because of the quests with Tifa.
And the quests are there for you to bond with the casts. You think it's a filler because you already know her in to OG.
Either approach is valid, but it's good to see the devs building the world blocks by blocks, not simply throwing you at it.
But your mentality probably prevents you from enjoying anything new. In that case you won't be happy with any video game remakes. FF is not turn-based now, get with the times.

>>718212329
Hang on, where's the fucking upper plate? In the original it's always dark out because the slums are almost completely covered by the upper plate, what the fuck is that white sky supposed to be?

>>718212329
>>718212532
I loved OG in the 90s and it's still one of my fav games and loved Remake and Rebirth too. I like talking about them with people who played them, but /v/ threads about the remakes are filled with people who didn't play them.

>>718209625 (OP)
9 or 10 are both great. You might be able to appreciate 8 though be warned the gameplay of that one is fucked and the characters mostly suck. There's also 5 and 6 which are pretty great

>>718212457
None of them were in the position to visualise what the final scene would look like with all the assets in place.

>>718211027
>and runs like garbage.
My computer is old as fuck and ran that game perfectly. What the fuck are you trying to play it on? Also bait on the first part of course.
>>718210496
How does it waste your time in the first ten hours? Legit clueless what you could mean.

>>718212575
>FF is not turn-based now, get with the times
Pure midwit take.

>>718212525
yes that was the entire point of it. it's always dark under the plate.
this game was made by people who are retarded and don't know or care about FF7 at all.
there are so many impossible retarded retcons and contradictions. because the desv just don't understand anything about the original.

>>718212546
That was bothering me, actually. It's always a conundrum whenever these games give you a thief option, sometimes stealing even from bosses is a waste of time and effort and sometimes it's the best way to break the game (looking at you, FFIX). So far all the bosses I've encountered have generic steals, I'll make sure to try for Gilgamesh so thanks for letting me know.

>>718210584
This was my exact conclusion with 5 recently. I thought it was bad and overrated to hell and back. Now I still think it's overrated but it's also pretty fucking cool on top of it (my GOAT Galuf deserved better). People always shit on it's story but desu I felt way more invested in the cast than fucking 4 (still a good game if you play the 3D remake so it's not baby tier hard) and After Years (dogshit all around).

Don't forget to bump the Yuffie thread, sisters. We need to proof that FF7 still is relevant.

>>718210752
Feeling like you fit in yet?

FFVIII is a great entry. I do understand you're too much of a bitch to "like" anything, saying you hate stuff is so much cooler.

>>718212871
>FFVIII is a great entry.
Not him but it's midling at best. Then again I last played it a decade ago and have plans to replay it to see if my opinion holds up now. Still, I'm not expecting a master piece

And no, people that dislike 8 aren't doing so just because it's a hipster thing or whatever you're trying to pass off now. If anything the 8 fandom is by far the most hipster FF fandom around and it's genuinely pathetic

>>718212739
>it's always dark under the plate.
It's not necessarily that way. In older games, time is static.
And it's not like you didn't experience underplate night in Remakes.
Either way, I feel like haters are so butthurt they will complain about every minuscule thing, because they actually don't want their perfect game to be remade.

>>718212546
Always steal from Gilgamesh, no matter which game it is.

>>718212687
>and ran that game perfectly
You're too low IQ to perceive the framedrops.
people have analised the game and it's taped together by monkeys.
Combat scenarios only need to load 6 entities at most and a simple battle field that doesn't even need collision.
yet the game is so badly made the games CPU and GPU load somehow get worse when you go into battle.

>718212837
You seem like you have a chip on your shoulder, want to talk about it?

>>718211425
Wait but what's the correct interpretation of the ending and postgame scene? I wanna know.

>>718213014
>uhh actually the game ran horribly, you just never noticed it and it never impacted your gameplay!
What the fuck is this bullshit excuse? You guys will make the most retarded of reaches to shit on something because it was popular for a while. The game ran fine to great but there where ACTUAL issues like my save getting bricked and making me load up an older one because I spawned off the map or underground a few times that ACTUALLY happened. But no, instead you just whine about fake bullshit.

>>718213072
In the og ending ir's nor clear whether humans survived because it ends with flash and after credits there's a scene of RedXIII running with its offspring to see Midgar taken over by nature. In background you hear children laughing. Advent Children and other spinoffs reveal humans did survive but before them it was yp to player's interpretation

>>718212961
this is how you know demake fags never played the game.
it's explained to you within the first few minutes that it's always dark under the plate. and when you go to the world map you can see the huge shadow the upper plate casts.
Tifa even says "good morning, did you sleep well" and it's still dark because that's how shadows fucking work.

>>718211425
>>718213198
Personally I think the theory that Holy / the earth killed all humans to be kinda lame / boring. Plus it's kinda pointless since we got multiple post-game continuations of the story that show that canonically no, it didn't do that.

>>718213228
I know. Also Holy didnt stop meteor. It was Lifestream guided by Aerith that did

>>718212961
The plate blots out 90% of the sky, how could it not be mostly dark?
>In older games, time is static.
There's areas in the original where you can see sunlight escaping through gaps in the plate where there's much higher visibility, Aeris' house being an obvious example. That's the whole reason there's even a flower garden, it's one of the few areas with enough natural light to support it. It's also contiguous with neighboring areas where it's still dark in the same timeframe, for that matter.

>>718213262
Right, yeah. It's on the list of games to replay since it's been a decade.

>>718213198
It's pretty clear the party survives because red13 is still alive and he was in the highwind.
the point of the end scene is to show that humanity moved on from midgar and stopped siphoning mako.

>>718213198
If Red survives, then I think it's pretty clear that the humans also survive.

>>718213207
>>718213306
Wowzee loremasters. Game is ruined because of one mistake. Anything else?
God forbid I enjoy this game and be branded "never playing the OG" because I missed one very important fact. GG.
Go on tell me more how the Remakes ruined your life.

>>718213198
>>718213228
>>718213262
Final Fantasy 7 story is so convoluted and badly written, it never cease to amaze me how long are the discussions here about an inherited shitty story like this. It's always a wall of text about the most midwit plot possible.

>>718213198
I suspect what happened is that humanity survived but Midgar was eventually completely abandoned because it's commerce and industry depended entirely on Shinra and mako energy, without both it was probably completely unsustainable and fell to ruin. It's basically like those ghost towns out in rural Japan that got abandoned after the bubble burst, they're all but completely reclaimed by nature now.

>>718213442
I think I'll try Remake and see, the game looks fun, I'll give it that. But the story won't be really important.

>>718213378
Aye. In the middle of game the party learns it's possible Holy would wipe off humans too for being harmful to the Planet so the ending lets player decide if it did

>>718213442
7R is all "mistakes" they get absolutely nothing right.
and yes you're promoting that ugly washed out, grey walking simulator in a FF7 thread so you can fuck off.

>>718213442
I didn't say it was ruined, I'm saying the argument that it wasn't dark under the plate is stupid, don't drag me into your bipartisan bullshit.

>>718213593
Oh wait.. oh yeah, I forgot about that dialog in the city of the ancients. Bugenhagen said that right? And red isnt a human so...

>>718212687
>How does it waste your time
it's been like 10 years since I played the game and I don't really hold memories of things I didn't enjoy. But from what I remember the protagonist being pulled through time kind of takes a back-seat so he can go play ball with some coconut heads.

>>718213207
>it's explained to you within the first few minutes that it's always dark under the plate
Post it

>>718209926
Don't actually play any Kingdom Hearts. That's when the themeparkification of Final Fantasy started. Obviously 6 and 8 are the closest to being like 7.

>>718213649
he was wrong so he's moving the goal posts and playing victim.

>>718213664
Exactly. But because Holy failed to take care of the meteor, it's suspicous it could have wiped humans either. Especially since Lifestream, the embodiment of Planet's life force guided by Aerith did.

>>718209625 (OP)
Play Final Fantasy 2 in Pixel Remaster Form.

Then Play Final Fantasy IV to see where many of the tropes FF would go forward with, in the PS1 and PS2 era, came from. Play FF VI to see a proto materia system that bridges the gap between early job systems and the experimental era where they had an entirely new system in nearly every game.

Mm.

I'd suggest VIII then, and then IX for a pallet cleanser.

I'd suggest FF Tactics (the first tactics game) then and follow it up with FFXII since they're in the same setting (Ivalice) - note: Vagrant Story is in the Ivalice setting but not an FF game.

I'd probably go for X and X-2 then, and follow X and X-2 up with the XIII series.

Then I'd play FF1 and then FF3 and then FFV before playing FFXVI to see how far the series has fallen.

>>718213306
Are you complaining or defending Remakes here?
I don't get what you are complaining for?

>>718213698
>being pulled through time kind of takes a back-seat so he can go play ball with some coconut heads.
Oh you're retarded and know literally nothing about the game. Got it.

>>718213698
Tidus didnt travel through time. Tidus was dream of fayt like aeons. The fayts dream of the dream Zanarkand where Tidus and Jecht were pulled. The game ends with fayts stopping the dream making Tidus disappear

>>718213642
You don't actually want remake. You just want to keep playing the PS1 game over and over.

>>718213779
What if Holy being merged with Meteor was its attempt at decimating humanity?

>>718214009
Possible but even then Lifestream trumped it

>>718213787
Adding to this:

Avoid the FFVII remake and rebirth.

Avoid Tactics Advanced 2. It's utter trash, and I don't mean in the way that "I just don't like it" TA2 is one of those games that decides the best thing to do with the potential of the Tactics concept is to water it down, and toss out anything that made the setting remotely interesting and replace it with cartoony nonsense. Think someone taking a Historical Fiction War Story and replacing it with modern marvel writing.

Tactics Advanced 1 is technically Ivalice set but it's a bit iffy. I'm not fond of this one, but not because it's in any way bad. In contrast there are people that absolutely adore this one. It's worth a try, decide for yourself.

>>718213809
I'm saying that there being a clear sky and strong, bright daylight throughout the slums is nonsense, I'm not taking issue with anything else.

>>718213854
as I said, I played that shit a decade ago. I still remember it being boring and the actual plot didn't start until hours into the game when Shino from Naruto showed up. you can't gaslight me about the story having zero stakes in the beginning.

>>718213787
>>718214207
Thanks, I'll definitely play FF tactics for sure since I liked Advanced Wars on the GBA.

Also, is it fine if I play FFX next? My friend's dad recommended me this one after I finish 7.

>>718213712
ひるも夜もねえ、オレたちの街がよ」
"Our city has neither day nor night "
「ミッドガルのプレートさえなけりゃなぁ…。
“If that plate weren't there…
でっけえ空がおがめんのになあ」
we could see the sky.”

>>718214367
X is a perfectly good time. My recommendation is just to get some context for how the series evolved. It's not necessary. At the end of the day all that's important if you enjoy yourself.

glad youve enjoyed it anon

play 6, 9 and 10 next as those are the closest to being as good and all have similar amazing moments almost if not as good as 7. Also beat chrono trigger since i count that as a FF game with the same devs too

After you have finished those games it starts to get a little rocky. FF4 is pretty good and theres also FF5 but then theres a huge nosedive in quality. FF8 is praised here and even is E33 creators favourite but i think its fucking awful and if you loved FF7 you will wish you are playing that. Its also really convoluted and stupid in its mechanics and story and the one cool thing with the final villain and boss they never commit to and is now only a theory

There is also FF12 which has great exploring and some great things to it but IMO i do not like the combat, the protagonist is one of if not the worst protagonist in fiction and the main party and story is FUCKING AWFUL. You like star wars episode 9? Have fun chasing mguffins for most of the story

The rest of the FF games IMO are not worth it. The FF games after 12 are just fucking awful and are nothing like 1-10 while also being terrible fucking stories too (XIV has some good stories but isnt worth 300 hours of filler and slop). Thats all i got, play FF 6, 9, 10 chrono trigger and then maybe 4 or 5 after

>>718214286
It's build up. After Luca's Blitzball tournament and Auron joining you, you finally learn that Sin is Tidus' dad. If it was pushed into your face at the very start, it would have lost the impact. Before that we see Tidus learning about the game's world, the mystery of people there also knowing Zanarkand but being sceptic about Tidus being from there. We see the destruction Sin causes on Kilika, we see people coping with entertainment of blitzball, we learn about Summoner's pilgrimage to defeat Sin and the threat of Sin, taking care of it being a cycle (that only later is revealed to mean that the Summoner will sacrifice themselves). And at Yunalesca, when Yuna was set to to follow through it, we learn it would also mean one of Yuna's guardian becoming the next Sin which finally makes Yuna rebel against it.

Just stopped by to say that Remake fucking sucks.

>>718214227
It's not clear sky, it's more like being under tiered high ways.
But let's say if they make it completely dark, there will be another batch of complain "how is it so dark all the time?" and that they can't focus on what the quests are all about because it's dark or something. What I say is it's such a minuscule thing to complain about but haters will be like "haha look at it you're so dumb" just by pointing that out.
There is massive tinted glasses regarding a game this popular and nostalgic, which is ok to an extent but it's also toxic. It also detracts the discussion from criticism that matters, such as the story for example (which I';m still thinking mostly fine).

>>718214009
>>718214116
The whole thing raises a lot of unanswered questions. Like, why the fuck did the Ancients keep materia they knew could be used to destroy the entire planet? It's not like it had any other purpose, they weren't going to equip it to their armor for +20% HP boost and nullifying gravity damage when combined with fucking Elemental materia. No, they turned it into a fucking giant temple instead of, say, destroying it or failing that, at least weighing it down with an anvil and dropping it into the deepest part of the ocean.

>>718214369
Post the screenshot

>>718214465
>People die and Yuna dances

>>718209625 (OP)
From what I've played:
4 is good (DS version)
6 is great.
7 you already know about.
8 is ok.
9 is great.
10 is not so great but still fine.
12 is also great but different.
13 is shit.
15 sucks.
16 is mid as fuck.

>>718209625 (OP)
Go back and play VI, experience the stepping stone to FFVII and the one that divides the majority of the old fanbase between which one is better

>It's because of that FUCKIN' PIZZA this city ain't got no day or night
I don't even have to look this up, people really didn't play the original game, lol

>>718211382
7 Remake was promising but they failed to deliver with Rebirth so I personally can't recommend it to anybody.

>>718214537
Black Materia was hard reset button for the threat of Jenova. Jenova's whole purpose is to travel the universe, arriving to planet, sucking its life force and continuing to the next planet to be its victim. Black materia's purpose would have been destroying both the planet and Jenova so that there wouldn't have been the next victim. The Black Materia turned into temple to crush anyone who tried to acquire it was for safe keeping, so that anyone who would try to do it would die in the process.

And that's why Sephiroth/Jenova needed Cloud and Aerith for. That's why Jenova wakes at Shirna HQ as the Cloud and party go to save Aerith. Jenova recognizes both Cloud and Aerith as the key part to get Black Materia and deliver it to Sephiroth in North Crater. Aerith was needed to access it and Cloud was needed to deliver it. The chase of Sephiroth was all the time only the facade for Sephiroth-Jenova to have Cloud do what they wanted. Because Cloud needed the personal reason to chase Sephiroth and try undermine him when in reality it was all what Jenova-Sephirtoh wanted.

>>718214516
>It's not clear sky, it's more like being under tiered high ways.
It's substantial lighting, however. Like I said, that's not what's shown in the original, there's very clear daylight in the Sector 5 slums exclusively around Aerith's house, as soon as you move towards Wall Market all of that disappears. Because there's almost no natural light. That's why Aerith has a flower garden and no one else does. That's the whole fucking point.
>I'm just going to keep turning this into bitching about the remake instead of addressing the fucking issue
Please don't bother replying if you're just going to waste my time.

>>718214516
how fucking retarded are you?
the OG game never never had any of the problems you're manufacturing to excuse 7R being grey, washed out visual garbage.
that's why the under city is covered in lights. if they followed the proper goddamn designs, lore and aesthetics it would all work perfectly.

Recently replayed FF8 and FF9.
Why were we pissed off that FFX got rid of the world map? Running around with a shitty draw distance, getting attacked every two steps, looking for random events in isolated nothing locations, searching for chocobo junk in otherwise pointless side paths. Did anybody actually enjoy that part of those games?

>>718210381
I agree with this anon, FFVI is a huge disappointment to people who don't have nostalgia for it.

>>718209625 (OP)
7, 8, 9, and 10 are the best games in the series. Anything outside of those four is pretty much a matter of personal preference.

>>718214854
It's about scale and feel. The old Jrpg had world maps to show the scale and allow the feel of exploration and advancing and finding spare extra content. FFX got rid of it for more linear progression which fitted the pilgrimage of Summoner theme. When you get airship you get to find more places but you don't find the places by travelling there. You find them by finding co-ordinates around the world to punch in to the airship's computer. I'm not saying which way would be the correct one, but when over 10 years you were used to the world map, having an input screen in airship to find those extra locations didn't simply have the same sense of wonder and exploration

>>718214854
They gave you the illusion of explorative freedom, a pretty strong illusion at that.

>>718214554
you lost. 7R fag.
play the game for 5 fucking minutes and you would have seen this dialogue.

>remake haters shitting up another thread
Cry somewhere else.
>muh light
Get the fuck over it. There's light when you're leaving midgar. There's light in Aerith's place. Saying there should never be daytime lighting is a stupid excuse people use for their short attention spans. Midgar being a whole game makes sense. The place looks over the entire fucking original and you go back there to finish business at the end of the original. The main parts of remake take place at night. People really just love to hate on shit instead of blaming their own stupid faults.

>>718214854
It's why, despite what Matsuno wanted, Squenix shut down their airship stuff. They thought X was the way. Airships are just fast travel now because of X. If they're in at all.

>>718214595
>10 is not great but 12 is
Fuck off. 12 is hardly a FF to begin with and X is easily one of the best games of all time, idiot.

>>718215008
Yeah, but those coordinates tend to be in the same locations you previously visited. You weren't going to some remote location, you were going to a bit of debris just off the coast.

>>718214750
>Black Materia was hard reset button for the threat of Jenova. Jenova's whole purpose is to travel the universe, arriving to planet, sucking its life force and continuing to the next planet to be its victim. Black materia's purpose would have been destroying both the planet and Jenova so that there wouldn't have been the next victim.
I have absolutely no memory of this being staeted in the game, where are you getting this from?
>The Black Materia turned into temple to crush anyone who tried to acquire it was for safe keeping, so that anyone who would try to do it would die in the process.
That's a really fucking terrible safety measure for use against what they knew was a shapeshifting alien that could a) replicate Cetra and b) operate independently when broken into seperate pieces. And the Aerith and Cloud thing is a separate issue altogether.

>>718214854
I like the world map. I liked the chocobo side quest. There were also secrets like that one island.

>>718215160
True. But even then when you revisit the old places for the extra content, you don't scale the world back there to see how long you have come. Even visiting the old places was menu and choosing where to go and then you teleported to that place's save point

>>718214778
>>718215112
>Like I said, that's not what's shown in the original
And this is not what I'm talking about this whole time.
It's about this tiny difference, does it ruin the game for the whole? It's not. It does not mean the devs are stupid either. Some people just don't want their game to be remade. No matter how well it is, they will keep complaining.

>>718214854
If you want a cool world map then play Dragon Quest 8. RPGs are just better when they're not hyper-linear.

>>718215148
I concede that 12 is not for everybody and I see why.
10 is fine. Best thing about it is the battle system but they dumbed the game down too much overall.

>>718215120
>There's lighting in two places, the one where it being there is unique ergo the flower and the one where you're out from under the plate because you're leaving the fucking city
Blah blah, shut the fuck up.

>>718215226
>does it ruin the game for the whole?
Not the point, you can shut the fuck up too.

>>718215120
this is a FF7 thread and you're shitting it up with your autistic fanfic slop, trannymake nigger.

>There's light in Aerith's place
wow there's light in sector 6? probably has something to do with this giant fucking gap over sector 6 and the fact it doesn't have an upper plate unlike sector 7.

>>718215305
That's my point. Keep crying. Don't enjoy new games ever.

>>718215352
You don't have a point, you're just retarded. Fuck off.

>>718215184
I think Jenova came as a meteorite randomly on the planet and nearly decimated the cetra. The last remaining cetra sealed Jenova in the snow mountain. Then, when Dr Gast began his research on the ancients, he discovered Jenova. I could be mistaken though.

>>718215226
the 7R devs are definitely fucking stupid anon.
they have terminal anime brainrot.

>>718215112
I know I'll get shit on by people that love the remakes but my biggest issue with Remake and Rebirth is the style. They just added modern stuff into Remake and Rebirth but it had no style it just looked like modern stuff. FFVII had this weird "modern/steam/magic/tech" combo to the look of its stuff. Even if you had a fairly modern looking "whatever" in the original, it had this weird stuff grafted on. Also the people, not the main cast or most of the major characters, in Remake and Rebirth look like they've been made in an entirely different "style" than everyone else, they don't fit in the same world. They don't look like Cloud or Tifa or Baret they're more grounnded and less stylized. It's weird seeing the contrast of people that don't look like they fit in the game with the obviously and actually "designed" characters. In old FF everyone actually had the same style at least.

But the biggest issue is the architecture style differences. It's not that Remake or Rebirth completely throw it away, but there's something of the weird grafted style that VII had that they lack. I remember an Elevator in VII and VII Remake being compared at one point to show a good example of this but I can't find it.

Then there's obvious issue. Remake, Rebirth and the third are three separate unconnected entities. They share no data. You're not continuing your progress. It's not just the rewrites, even if it was the same story it would be fragmented by your progress being reset with every entry. Unlike VII that had a consistent journey with constant progression. Everything you did mattered to the end because you could bring those accomplishments or the rewards for them with you all the way to the end.

Remake and Rebirth and the third remake just can't do that.

It's sad and obviously worse.

>>718215112
Retcons do exist.
If it's dark all the time, another group of people will complain again.

>>718215376
All of that's correct from what I remember, but at no point do I remember the Black Materia specifically being kept for use against Jenova, that seems like a really crucial detail that wouldn't scoot by unnoticed. Maybe my memory is just terrible, if it's stated somewhere I'd like to know.

>>718215372
You guys are done arguing over the fucking plates? That was a 100 replies ago.

>>718215384
Who okayed this design? Seriously?

>>718215336
That model is so cool.

>>718215476
I'd like to think so, you wouldn't think it would take 100 posts for someone to understand that they're factually wrong, but then this is /v/, after all.

>>718215459
Also, am I the only one who associated Jenova with Jehovah when I played it?

>>718214854
>Why were we pissed off that FFX got rid of the world map?
We weren't. No one really cared much because FFX was still a great game. It's a retroactive forced criticism retards use to try and defend FF13 because a major complaint about that game was how the entire world was nothing but a long hallway. But it misses that the big issue with 13 is that the world building in general fucking sucked and there was no sense of where you were at any given moment.

>>718215526
I doubt it, it sounds intentional since they treat it like a godlike superbeing of a lost culture. Though personally these days I associate with The Thing, since it's eerily similar in almost every way, except it also has psychic powers which The Thing also had in the original novel, funnily enough.

>>718215428
that was the point of this pic. >>718212329
7R looks like shit.
It has no color theory, it has no art direction. it's just made of garbage low quality pajeet assets. generic non-fanasy assets, generic non-fantasy NPCs walking around with their retarded down syndome faces.
Shit models, shit textures, Bad lighting, washed out grey and brown colors.

>>718214452
Yeah I'm also going to play Chrono Trigger. Looks really good.

>>718209625 (OP)
Play them in order from FF6, they're all kino

>>718209625 (OP)
I loved ff7 when I was a kid but I didn't like any of the other final fantasy games I played. I guess 9 was the closest i got to liking one

>>718215683
>from FF6
Start with 4 if you're too ADHD for NES rpgs.

heh, nice I just beat my number of posts in a thread record

>>718215459
White materia was ultimate protection materia to defend planet from all threats, humans included. Black materia was ultimate destruction materia.

In Rebirth the ghosts of Gi, now revealed aliens who couldnt merge to the planet's lifestream as they were outsiders, wanted Black Materia to destroy the plsnet and their own after-life limbo existence. Pic related of Aerith asking if she's intolerant too after the Gi accuse Cetra for bein intolerant of them

>>718215457
no one gives a fuck about this "group" because they're not FF7 fans.

>>718215609
I might have some of the details wrong, but I think the biggest FU moment in FF13 for me was when Snow and Vanille start exploring some labyrinth like dungeon when the game switches perspective to another group of characters. When you eventually return to their perspective, that location has been skipped entirely.
Like, fuck you game. Might as well say they spent the last two hours having a picnic.

>>718215764
>excuse me am I a cringe anime trope too
yes nu-Arith please fucking die already.

>>718215839
>>718215892
There's also scene of Aerith giving cringe speech at Cosmo Canyon and the player has option to cringe at her, tell her to stop or encourage her

>>718215892
Oh no, they swear in the remake? Oh no, hearing Aeris say the word "dumbass" is going to be so weird. Aeris is too pure to say a bad word.

>>718215978
Didn't Tifa call Barret a retard in the original?

>>718216028
Yes. In Shinra HQ as they climbing the stairs Barret plays off dying from the exhaustion and giving final words to Marlene and Tifa tells him to stop bring retard and continue to climb

>>718215764
That doesn't really answer my question, though. The black materia being the ultimate destruction materia doesn't really explain what it's application is, especially as the planet already had the Weapons to deal controlled destruction on the surface of the planet rather than uncontrolled destruction that'd pretty much destroy the planet. I'll say one thing in the Remake's favor though, if it retcons it to have been made by the Gi out of sheer spite and malice that at least makes a bit more sense, that's at least a reason why someone would make something that's only function is wanton destruction.

>>718216118
In the final scene of Rebirth the clear materia Aerith gave to Cloud turned into black materia from Cloud's negative denial emotions of Aerith having died

>>718215764
Materia is formed from the ancients and the life stream
the GI are neighter
yet the stupid nigger writers of 7R claim they made the black materia. 7R has to be the most poorly written and contradictory to the source material shit ever made.

Further more in FF7 there's cool lore and murals that tell you the black materia was a very ancient forbidden knowlege and the ancients all had to channel their power together and use Holy to stop it once before.

>>718215839
>>718215940
Being more waifish instead of sassy is kind of lame, but for some reason my biggest hangup is her normal attacks. I don't know why, I guess her jumping the length of a football field and then smacking the enemy over the head with her staff would look kind of ludicrous with Remakes modern graphics and attempt at added realism, but shooting fucking wimpy magic missiles is just fucking lame and gay as ass.

>>718216263
She also has the worst dodge of all the characters but makes up for having instant teleport to her magic ward. It underlines her not being a physical fighter but frail mage

>>718215631
Nah, it looks good. Great lighting too.

>>718216214
>Materia is formed from the ancients and the life stream
That's true but that also doesn't seem to be the whole story. Like the materia you buy in shops, is that cultivated in the planet and then harvested like in those mako fountains you see in Mt Nibel? Or are they actually Shinra made using mako energy? If it's the latter then it seems like anyone with the knowledge and ability could make custom materia, so long as they have access to mako energy.

>>718216027
oh man...
>>718216028
Yeah true, but hearing aeris say "asshole" is gonna be so weird after playing the original lol

>>718216263
in nibelheim Aerith sits at the water tower that used to be Cloud and Tifa's place. They talk about whether Cloud would climb here to watch Tifa as there was view to Tifa's room. Tifa also waves at Aerith and Cloud sitting at the spot. Aerith says she would have been here all the time watching at Tifa. At the end of the scene Aerith admits she's in bad mood because in her childhood she didn't have friends like Cloud and Tifa and Aerith tells Cloud to go away because Aerith doesn't want to sour the mood with her own pouting.

>>718216314
>It underlines her not being a physical fighter but frail mage
I get why they did it. I just wish they hadn't, for purely subjective reasons.

>>718216118
Well 7R is stupid badly written nonsense that's not canon.
The black materia seems like the distilled negative intentions and forbidden knowledge of a very old ancient. like some kind of primordial evil or bitterness but it's cool there's only lore implications with no real details.
As for what it does it seems to just be overwhelming destructive power. It doesn't just summon a huge meteor, it creates storms and flaming tornados as well.
maybe it could be used for things other than destroying your own planet? who knows.

>>718216263
they could have at least given her context melee attacks when you're close to the enemy.

>>718216419
Its weird thinking a girl who partially grew up in the slums doesn't curse every now and then.

>>718216418
Scarlet wanted to produce Huge Materia but so far failed. In the end Shinra could get their hands to 4 Huge Materias that they were planning to use against Meteor on Rocket.

Players also find naturally formed superior materia in materia caves around the world with colored chocobocos. It is also shown in Crisis Core that Shinra has means to produce different materias themselves as Zack can use the Materia fusion equipment to create new Materia. So there are means to reproduce the materia artifically, but natural ones are superior. Cetra clearly had means to make even better materia with White Materia and Black Materia.

>>718216323
>tifa black bug eyes
>can't even see the red.
only looks half ok when there's no light and 90% of the screen is silhouette.. thus not visible.
yeah the visuals are fucking awful. especially since every asset that isn't a main character model is the most unacceptable low quality garbage.

>>718212871
FF8 was the beginning of the end my friend and people HATED it when it came out
FF9 was an odd "end of PS1 era" afterthought which was the last traditional final fantasy game. Everything else has been ass
FF6 was the peak of the series with FF7 being a close second

>>718209625 (OP)
Play 9 if you want something similar thematically.

>>718216497
>maybe it could be used for things other than destroying your own planet? who knows.
Presumably that would be the case, but considering the sheer scale of destruction it sure as hell doesn't seem worth using it for any other reason. Unless what you're targetting is like far out in space or something.
>they could have at least given her context melee attacks when you're close to the enemy.
Yep, would've been nice.

>>718216605
XII is good.

IV VII Tactics and XII are all I need.

I was positive on the FF7 Remake trilogy until I played Rebirth.
They did the worst thing they could by trying to be an ebin sequel but also at the same time being a faithful remake.
You can't have both you hackfraud fucks.

Also the gameplay in Rebirth was extremely mind numbing.

>>718216682
Were you dead set clearing all the areas before moving to the next?

>>718216670
12 is a single player mmo. its passable but the gameplay and progression is straight up mmorpg

>>718216552
That's pretty much what I figured. I do feel that the Black Materia being manufactured by anyone other the Cetra is a massive stretch for obvious reasons but then I also think the Black Materia is kind of a dubious weapon for the Cetra to have made to begin with, especially as they allagedly had to stop Meteor at least once themselves. Maybe if there had been some unstoppable force they had to use it on that had been approaching the planet prior to Jenova then that'd be something but otherwise it's kind of like inventing nukes for a laugh and nothing else.

"I will complain about everything in Remake" - the thread

>>718216670
12 has the worst pacing in all of final fantasy

>>718216705
No I stopped doing that around gongaga.
Though I did everything to unlock Gilgamesh when that became available and that wasn't a fun time.

>>718216682
>mind numbing
Was this before or after you launched enemies around a battlefield? The gameplay is hardly an issue with rebirth, faggot.

>>718212125
>>718212329
>Same guy arguing with himself

>>718216603
>cherry picking
You can see her eyes more often than not. And while the diversied npcs get tiring, they hardly look bland in rebirth usually.

>>718216731
I can't get over how they gave character real time movement but made actions automatic, creating the worst gameplay dissonance ever. like
>hey you can move around now but it's completely superficial and there's basically no point, please enjoy this worthless fake real time control.
cunt let me attack dodge and block in real time too or just bolt me to the floor.

>>718216789
I found it very boring. If I played it now I would probably be more favorable toward it but when I played it at launch I was very tired of stagger mechanics in combat.

>>718216786
I get it. I stopped doing 100% at Corel and Gongaga too. Only did character sidequests and Chadley's stuff only to the point I could buy the region specific materias I wanted. Played through the story after that and then came back to the rest after finishing the story.

My friend got the PC version while I had already played the PS5 version on the launch and I had to tell him too to not try to 100% everything on one go and just do the stuff he himself wanted.

>It's not how the OG looks so Remake is bad.
>It's not how the OG plays so Remake is bad.
>It does not fully follow OG story so Remake is bad.
>It has realistics graphics unlike the OG so Remake is bad.
>It has voice acting unlike the OG so Remake is bad.
>It does not play in PSX so Remake is bad.
>It's a Remake therefore it's bad.
It's so tiring bros.

>>718210752
you're delusional anon, I played FF8 on release after playing FF7, and it was fucking awesome. The graphical upgrade alone was absolutely mind-boggling, not to mention how they integrated the cutscenes into gameplay.

The fact that they were willing to experiment with so many different systems and mechanics in a mainline game was admirable, and despite the very real and valid criticisms, it's a solid entry in the series and definitely worth playing.

only Real Ones know about the FF8 demo disk that came with your copy of Brave Fencer Musashi. Must've played that dollet mission demo like 50-60 times before the full game released

>>718216937
I got FFX demo on FF6 Playstation release and would just keep grinding the Besaid stretch to enjoy. Was mind blowing to finally play the actual FFX and hear the god tier Besaid theme for that part ebcause the demo only had music for the battles

in this house her name is AERIS

>>718216935
This

>>718216789
>launch enemies around the battle field for 0.2 seconds
>wow I never played DMC or any other action so this bland subpar shit is real novelty
then walk around and do chores and cutscene/scripted events for 10 hours. for every 0.2 seconds you're in battle.

>>718217056
Did you utilize the defensive and offensive synergy moves that didn't require the ATB bar?

>>718212282
>I don't care for them either and I refuse to play them
ahh gotcha, if you play part 1 it makes it very clear that the game isn't a "remake" of FF7, but a continuation of the OG game. You could even call it a sequel, but I think that'd be a step too far. For example, the Sephiroth you meet at the end who beats Cloud's ass is "our" Sephiroth from the OG FF7

https://youtu.be/MdntWV1hM5A?si=xrtLd-_eb9bmY31l&t=208

>>718217095
did you utilize my dick by sucking it?

>>718217131
There was this one anon at PS5 launch who revealed he didn't even know about them synergy moves after having completed the story and you sound like him

>>718217129
Believe me, I'm aware, that ending is part of the reason I'm not interested in playing them frankly.

>>718217129
It's a remake, just with slightly different story beats, and the experience is still pretty much the same.

>>718217189
did he use any synergy moves?
they basically try to force them by locking higher level limits behind them
which is a garbage mechanic and a huge fumble of how to handle limit levels.

>>718217039
I have zero idea why some people on this thread keep calling her aerith, when if you press default in the name selector screen it's aeris

>>718216731
I don't think I've ever played an MMO that played like XII, let alone had character progression like XII. Most MMOs go for talent trees for hard classes with specific specs. XII just has a massive open license board to mix and match.

As to the combat, it plays more like a real time with pause RPG like DAO or BG1/2 which predate MMOs so I'm quite confused what you mean here. Tab target MMOs don't play like this and I have to assume you mean the bar filling before they take actions but if you play something like WoW you don't find that WoW is pretty snappy where XII replicates more of a D&D style turn in real time as BG1 BG2 NWN NWN2 DAO and others have done.

The remake expects you to have played the OG, Crisis Core and Dirge of Cerberus and watched Advent Children. For example Cissnei from CC is introduced in Rebirth's Gongaga and there's scene of her almost telling about Zack and Cait Sith almost revealing she's an EX-Turk. I guess you could play Remake and Rebirth without having played the OG and the others but you would be missing so much stuff. Also in her sidequest Aerith and her cook together catering for Zack fans showing Aerith and Cissnei with whom Zack flirted with doing housewives things

>>718217207
fair enough, have you played the New Threat mod for the OG FF7 yet? imo it's the ideal way to replay the game

>>718217209
it's a sequel to advent children set in an alternate multiverse and features canonically different characters.
by definition it's not a remake. that was just a marketing scam.

>>718217391
>tfw no very large Lazy Cissnei set

>>718217330
Are we talking about the synergy moves you get to use after doing enough commands or the ones that are free, like bodyguard and spellblade? The anon didn't know about the free ones

>>718217401
It's your definition of remake that is pettily narrow.
Yes there are diferences but since it is mostly just reimagining an older work, it is still a remake.

>>718217379
XII and DAO share a lot of DNA just look at how you can set hyper specific tactics for your party members in DAO and even in DA2. It's just a less extensive version of XII's gambit system. People that say XII plays like an MMO are parroting some ancient retard anon that had no clue what he was talking about. MMO parrots don't even have an opinion of their own they just have an ancient opinion that was wrong the moment it was uttered.

>>718217189
I don't blame him honestly, the game does a shit job of explaining the system. Especially the difference between the ATB-spending Synergy abilities and the spammable Synergy skills, not surprised at all that people rarely used them

>>718217129
>You could even call it a sequel, but I think that'd be a step too far
No it isn't lol. That's exactly what it is and the game couldn't be more direct about it. It's also a major problem because ultimately the remake is trying to be too many things at once.

I think something we can all agree on is that the OSTs for Remake and Rebirth are some of the best work modern SE has ever done

>>718217473
Chadley has tutorial for the synergy skills at the start

>>718217395
No, I replayed the Switch port and good lord some of the bugs that version introduced are unforgivable, like straight up softlocks out of load screens if you have audacity to use the double speed feature more than zero. I might have a look at that, thanks for the suggestion.

>>718217553
"Bow wow wow, there's a new merc in town ascending Mt Corel" is a good new original song. The updated old songs are great too and final Jenova starting with Aerith's theme is great homage to G'S aerith's death Jenova hsving Aerith's theme playing

>>718217453
no it's not. remake means the same game made again.
this has multiverses slop and time travleing ghosts LOL. it also relies on you having played the OG.
there's no such thing as a "remake" that requires you to have seen the events of the thing it's supposedly "remaking" first.

>>718217570
>speaking to chadley any longer than you have to

>>718217570
sure, and I'm saying they did a shitty job of introducing and reinforcing the use of that system

>>718217640
Oh yeah and Gold Saucer theme having your date's character theme mixed into it during the date was awesome too

Wow, 240 posts? I've never got this many replies. This is the best thread I've made.

8
9
10

bonus: tactics

>>718217714
if only the dialogue and mannerisms weren't cringe and unnaturally paced animu slop.

>>718217672
>>718217689
The game can give you tools but it's up to you to utilize them. It's same with OG's materia menu having option to swap whole materia sets from character to character but only small portion of players knowing and using it

>Anon who hated rebirth and remake explains why
>When they get to the part about combat they either make shit up or reveal that they sucked ass at the combat

This happens every time. There was a guy on GameFaqs making posts and topics every day just shitting on the remake series nonstop.
One day I googled his username and found a reddit post by the exact same username where he was asking people how to get good at the combat because he sucked so much ass that he got stuck on the (non-hard mode) Hellhouse fight.
He explained that he just couldn't understand what to do and he was trying to do combos like a DMC game.
Ever since then I just automatically assume anybody who shits on the Remake series is just a pleb shitter who sucks at games.

>>718217781
>if only the dialogue and mannerisms weren't cringe and unnaturally paced animu slop.
anon...you do know you're playing a jarpig...right?

>>718217839
>(non-hard mode) Hellhouse fight.
nah fuck SE though, they made the last part of that fight tedious and obnoxious. Most of it was good though

>>718217787
>It's same with OG's materia menu having option to swap whole materia sets from character to character but only small portion of players knowing and using it
yea and they did a shit job of explaining that back then too

>>718209669
No Jade weapon no buy

>>718217787
Same with FF8 and Junctions, GFs and Spell libraries. There's Switch command in the party switch menu but players just didn't know to use it and they'd manually set everything each time they swapped party members

>>718217839
people bring up legitimate issues with remake and rebirth:
>city is too bright
>lack of consistent style
>architecture is wrong and comparisons between the original and remake/rebirth highlight the many issues with architecture style color and lighting choices
>style of the city is different
>style of many of the side characters and filler characters clashes with the main characters
>lack of full game progression from beginning to end because the game has been chopped up into parts
>story issues caused by the weird new plot grafted onto the original involving vast leaps of its a sequel logic

the remakefag response:
>lol you suck at the action combat

>>718217949
You are allowed to and encouraged to check things yourself. I think players like you are the reason modern games have so much handholding and streamlining

>>718209984
They'e fine. Biggest issue is ugly textboxes.

>>718217839
The only time I would say any of the ff7 remake fights were the legendary bouts. Absolute horse shit and squeenix knew exactly what they were doing

Xenogears. You owe it to yourself. People will say this and that about how it's unfinished (it is, technically), whinge about some dungeon or another - None of that matters. Xenogears' story, world setting, and concept were originally pitched as FF7.

I want you to play it. The story and world are the only things that can compete with FF7. You also owe it to yourself to play the distant prequel to FF7, FFX.

>>718218097
seconding this anon. I played Xenogears after FF7 back in the day and was very glad I did. Be aware it has a pretty slow start, but once it gets going the ride is quite fun

>>718218029
Nobody is reading all of that shit

>>718218029
The only valid point in your arguments is it being chopped up (no idea how they're gonna do 3 tbqhwymn) and Nomuras retarded timeline multivariate shit. I didn't find anything wrong with the style or artistic direction. Kalm town especially was some next level shit. Literally untouchable

>>718218097
>The story and world are the only things that can compete with FF7
It far surpasses it.

>>718209625 (OP)
my wife!

>>718218097
>Disc 2.
When I reached it, I couldn't believe my eyes.
Of course I have heard legends that disc 2 was bad, but I dismissed it since it couldn't be THAT bad after disc 1.
I don't know what I expected, but certainly not this. I remember I was staring at the screen in disbelief as the game just told me via a wall of text that "OK your party infiltrated this and this dungeon, did this, defeated this boss, and then left, the plot advances this way".

What the actual fuck. I love the game to pieces however.

>>718218218
You forget everyone on vee (you especially) are schizos so they relate to cloud on such a personal level that nothing else compares

>>718217883
so is FF16 but it's not as cringe, the VA isn't as bad and the mocap isn't the horribly acted ham and cheese you get in 7R

>>718218097
>the distant prequel to FF7, FFX.
stop it, it was just a tongue-in-cheek easter egg. FF7 and FF10 are NOT in the same universe, even if they try to claim otherwise

>>718218218
Shhh, OP won't believe it riding the high of playing the only RPG that competes with Xenogears. He'll spend the rest of his life chasing the high of Xenogears like the rest of us.

>>718218295
The ham in ff7r is extremely endearing.

my favorite of the turn-based FFs is 9

>>718218295
>so is FF16 but it's not as cringe, the VA isn't as bad and the mocap isn't the horribly acted ham and cheese you get in 7R
yea, because FF16 was by far the most westernized JRPG they've ever made. Of course the dialogue was better. It'd be like comparing Planescape to a game in the Trails series

>>718218309
their cosmologies function in the exact same way, anon. remake adds more references than X has, and XVII is going to literally be X and VII. It's going to be a distant sequel to 7 that uses the same cosmology again. Not to mention the shape of Spira...

>>718218354
it's not. it's unbearable infantilisation that makes it clear the game was made for toddlers.
it's incredible how honest and mature the real FF7 looks in contrast.

>>718218389
I'd like it a lot more if the battles didn't move at a glacial pace

>>718218442
staring at garnets tight plump ass helps me with the pacing

>>718218408
stop it, it was one tiny easter egg that I'm sure they threw in as a troll. No one actually believes this is a real thing

>>718218435
>video game made for children about saving the world from big monsters and a giant meteor and guy with a long sword has to be dark and deep and serious no fun allowed

Don't you have some indieslop to consoom?

>>718218435
>FF7
>mature
anon pls

>>718218527
>Don't you have some indieslop to consoom?
honestly, I wonder how they survived back in the day without the latest depression simulator indieslop

>>718218516
I'm gaslighting myself into believing it's real and you won't stop me

I do love OG FF7 but I want to see it undermined as much as possible in the hopes that the remakes reception improves as people's opinion of the original gets worse.

>>718218395
well then all RPG direction should be "westernized" from now on. since modern jap devs have proven their direction to be intensely autistic, dislikable and unrelatable.
We didn't have this problem with cute little chibis and text boxes. maybe they should get rid of VA and all the weird mocap to make Jrpgs bearable again.
it really can't be that hard to just make your character have normal conversations and no move like infants / retarded faggots who failed acting school..

>>718211662
>high profile remakes
lmao

>>718209984
Not at all, they are the definitive way to play the games and I have no idea what that faggot is about. Feel free to mod the shitty default font out but that's about it.

>>718218623
Jimbo. You've been doing this sockpuppet play fo 5 years now. You are pathetic. And all this just because some anon called you out on your copypaste spam and proceeded to dox you and you even admitted it earlier this year. Let it go.

>>718218389
I'm sorry but FF9 is just too slow and doesn't have the level of customization the previous ones had. It's good story and experience but as a game, it simply isn't as good as 5, 6, 7, 8 or 10. Good game, yes. Not just as good as the others.

>>718218527
>>718218568
do you know what contrast is?
-FF7 was mature for it's time. it has some cuteness a quirk in there in moderation. it even has chibi characters.
-7R is immature for its time. it's just cheesey sanitized garbage made for babies. it makes FF7 look like the most mature adult narrative ever made.

>>718218623
Everyone else ignored this post but I noticed it right away and felt it was making fun of me.

>>718218803
7 was a serious game 30 percent of the time

>>718209669
This is amazing. Fuck I need to do this.

>>718212329
I'm not arguing with you about how the lighting in the game looks. That's not what I'm talking about. Sure. It looks bad. Whatever. Fan boys who are obsessed with the way that things were and can never accept artistic license to change things, are the only people who ever bitch about this stuff. People complaining about their memories and the way they like how the old game looks, it's foolish. That's fine. I don't care. It's still disingenuous to try and directly compare completely different scenes. I don't really care if you don't like the Dyne scene desu. I don't care if you like a static pre rendered background more than the environment we got. Also they obviously cut the water burial and the "my eyes are burning" parts in order to sell her death again in part 3. Certainly not an ideal, but with the way each part has referenced the previous in different ways, I have faith that the scenes in part 3 will be some of the best yet. Very cute fanboy thinks he knows better than me and understands Final Fantasy better because he played FF7 when he was 8 years old. Yeah, I mean, as an autistic and obsessively compulsive fanboy, if one little thing is "wrong" according to my image of FFVII in my head, well the game is ruined. Yep. This is how serious people enjoy their media. Lmfao. Are they perfect games? Fuck no. Are there things I would change? Absolutely yes. You're only crying about things not being the same as you remember them on PS1 when you were a child. That makes you and others fanboys. The way you will cry about things not looking the same and pretending that means the game itself is a bad game? Yeah. You're a fanboy. Through and through. Classic textbook projection. Fanboys are people who cry about the new games not being 1:1. That's why you hate it.

>>718217368
If you skip the naming screen she does default to Aerith

>>718218836
No, it's just that I can see it's you and we both know what you been up to these past 5 years with you spending hours on daily basis to have sockpuppet conversations with yourself and spamming the same copypastes just because someone slapped you around for it 5 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBlzGdE9M3k

>>718218664
nah that's what makes JRPGs endearing in the first place. Go play a WRPG if you want refined dialogue, good VA and less cringe

>>718218803
>FF7 was mature for it's time
Yes because you were 12 when you played it. It’s a game made for teens, all of FF is.

>>718218992
You've spent 5 years posting in FF7 threads? Why?

>>718218664
>it really can't be that hard to just make your character have normal conversations and no move like infants / retarded faggots who failed acting school..

Stationary characters just standing there talking is called talking heads and if you are supposed to present a story, drama and interesting interaction, you want to avoid it.

>>718219070
See all the posts saying anyone who criticizes remake is blinded by nostalgia and hates anything new and only wants a 1:1 remaster? Those are all mine and I post them every day. Most of the posts ITT defending remake and attacking og fans are mine.

>>718219121
Remake is good but I don't think it deserves this level of dedication. Plus I don't think insulting og fans is how you make them agree with you.

>>718219070
I like FF7 and the remake project and I like to spend time discussing things I like and I'm interested in. And I know you and you wanting to make this about anons calling you out because you yourself know you and your actions are so pathetic you can't defend them. It's what Russia shills do too. They can't defend Russia without coming off unhinged so instead they attack others and try to spin it about them. You're vatnik bot of FF7R threads.

>>718219047
Teens in the 90s were more mature than 30 year olds today. What's your point?

listen, I like Remake as much as the next guy, but did they really have to turn Jessie into this much of a turboslut?

>>718219121
>>718219161

>>718219172
>anons
Heh

>>718219121
Based. Rebirth taught me to hate gamers. I hope these autusts enjoy their GAAS/MMO/Gacha paypig future.

>>718219230
This isn't even surprising. Every day we get a dozen "organic" remake threads with a tifa coombait OP

>>718219218
You're a crying fanboy who thinks the PS1 game you played at 8 is perfection. I don't mind that it's not 1:1 because I didn't play it when I was 8 and don't have an autistic fixation on the way things used to be. We are not the same, fanboy. The fact you are so God damn triggered by the term fanboy proves that it's perfect to describe you and others like you. People who bitch and cry and moan about Remake not being 1:1 to a PS1 game, that the scenes being changed are therefore "ruined", are indeed total fanboys. Every single one of them almost always share the same trait, which is "I played it when I was younger than 10 years old on the PS1". This is the definition of fanboy. The bad quality of the lighting during the day time segments deeply undercuts the otherwise very strong stylish visual presentation of Midgar throughout the rest of the game that the original is so known for. The way people got so angry about it, and made 10 hour long fanboy rants about it, proved to me that I absolutely enjoyed the Whispers inclusion in Remake. You can hate them, sure. But I didn't. Fanboy tears isn't the reason I liked the Whispers, the fact that they were a middle finger to the fanboys is the reason I liked the Whispers. Get fucked fanboy faggot ass nerds. So annoying, so entitled, can't understand anything about why Remake was actually so well recieved. There is no 'justification for my attitude'. I don't need to give one to you either. I believe what I believe because I believe it. I liked how the game gave a middle finger to every single whiney, bitchy faggot like (You), and anyone else that reads this and thinks I'm talking about them. Yes, I am talking about you. Fuck you. Lmfao.

>>718219247
>I hope these autusts enjoy their GAAS/MMO/Gacha paypig future
is it really a problem that game devs are catering to the tastes of their target demo? It would be a different story if no one was buying this shit, but the games are hoovering in money. Can't blame devs for giving the audience what they want

>>718219161
I have never defended any game this hard.
Usually I left to it whether people like my favorite games or not, but most of criticisms of Remake is just "it's not like the OG".

>>718219230
And more

>>718219372
Notice the date of earliest hits

>>718219409
>>718219372
outside of the spamming, it's a good point

>>718218790
the slowness is the only thing I don't like but you speed that shit up. I just love the story and I find the gameplay to be the most fun out of all the turn-based final fantasies

>>718219323
100% I just imagine the board meeting when its revealed that the high effort wildly high rated Rebirth made less money than the AI generated FF7 gacha mobile game.
The future is low effort addictive skinner boxes.

>>718219427
It also lead us to his real account. He's not very smart, so simply googling his pastas revealed who he really is.

>>718219482
I knew this guy was mentally ill, by his own admission, and I knew he posted on 4chan, but I didn't know he was the jimbo dude everyone talks about

>>718219461
kek yea, I think this remake exercise is proof positive that AI games are the future. Let them churn out low-effort slop every 6-12 months that people who grew up with tablets and cocomelon can spend all day pulling for gooner character models. Just throw in a chocobo or moogle to make it FF themed and you're good to go

>>718219218
Yes.

I have never played the remake. They changed the battle system and that was the best part of 7.

>>718219521
'fraid so. He's also obsessed (unhealthily) with maxdood. Here he is secretly filming him on his phone. Someone should call the cops honestly.

>718219308
Damn nigger, I hope you got something out of writing all that because sure as fuck is no one going to read it.

>>718219553
this anon gets it they did my mommy wife justice too

Why does every Final Fantasy thread turn into eceleb and schizo shit?

>>718219647
read the thread, someone laid it out pretty concisely

>>718219694
Can you point me to the post?

>>718219647
Big dramatic games with big emotions that are designed to lure in vulnerable pre-teens who end up finding 4chan and its conversation culture

>>718219647
>someone says they enjoyed FF7
>remake warrior rolls up his sleeve and tries to turn the whole thread into a jerk off session for remake
>they lash out at anyone who criticizes it
>they also have several boogeymen in their heads from other sites that they need to post about
>a lone new threat shill talks to themselves in the corner

>>718219552
SQUARE HIRE THIS MAN!

>>718219647
I have been exposing this guy every day for 5 years and today is finally the day when everyone joins me and cares about my mission

>>718219736
OK Barry

>>718212594
In the original, it was 50m high so it was obscuring everything easily. Then Crisis Core made it 100m so you can see sunlight during the day. Then Remake came and now they say it's 200m...so yeah.

>>718219736
>a lone new threat shill talks to themselves in the corner
to be fair shilling a free mod that's actually good is pretty ethical as far as schizos go

>>718219736
Kill yourself Eric!

>>718219773
It's good to spend time on things you like. It's bad when you start spending time on things you dislike.

>>718213228
>implying compilationshit is relevant
But yes, never saw it as everyone died the end even from just the game on its own.

>>718219647
Comes with the FF territory, unfortunately. 7 is particularly bad about it.

>>718219819
I like that you say this when you're also the only one chimping out about a poster you don't like every day when everyone else continues to discuss games.

>>718219081
gee if only there was a way to animate characters interacting. oh wait there is.
you just give them natural expressive movements.
Take this for example. if this were directed by numura or any of those other 7R retards;
-She would pout and stamp her feet like a toddler
-She would autistically throw her arms out in random directions for no reason
-her face would not be very expressive
-She would do an overacted stutter, looking around in an exaggerated manner and do anime grunting sounds to show she is worried because the directors are too autistic to understand subtlety and intricacies of real human behavior.

>>718211027
>looks hideous
felt like I'm the only one that unironically despises the visuals

>>718219873
this tbqh, if you go into any other numbered FF thread especially the troon MMO one you'll have multiple schizos competing with each other to see who can be the most insufferable and derail the thread the fastest. All with the janny's tacit approval because they're never actually banned, and in the rare cases they are immediately ban evade and get back to posting

>>718219647
Short of Breath of Fire are their any threads on /v/ that dont go schizo shit?

>>718219979
Here's Tifa showing her scar (and tits) to Cloud

>>718219982
You're not, there's repulsive artifacting over everything.
it's just grainy and blurry with no clarity.

>>718219608
That is creepy as fuck

>>718220032
>are their any threads on /v/ that dont go schizo shit?
the only one I can think of are the weekend "whatcha playan/watchan/readan etc." threads, but I'm sure they have their own schizos

>>718219997
I thought it was pretty common knowledge that the jannies tried previously with some, but a mentally sound (ha) person can't really compete with a mentally unsound schizo who will never stop trying to get around any block.

Very nature of how 4chan works makes regulating that kind of thing especially difficult, withotu changing the very nature of how these boards work

>>718219997
>especially the troon MMO one
You actually get banned for making a XIV thread on /v/ unless you're a janny who is making it as a shitpost dump. The /v/ XIV thread schizos are people who hate XIV and then there's one guy who seems to be on a hunt for his bogeyman in there. The /vg/ XIV threads are the real people, but even that is 50/50 nowdays on whether they're real XIV people or hate schizos.

>>718220076
Didn't ask. incel faggot.
also people moved the camera in that scene, she doesn't even lift her shirt.

>>718220125
Thats a good point though. The threads that deal most with real life and sociabilty.

>>718220032
Pretty much any brand new game that hasn't been shilled for months before its release has a good window of like 1-2 weeks where you can actually talk about it. Then the schizos start showing up, and even if there are no schizos, you'll have shitposters wander into the thread and say like "why the fuck are you guys still here? go to /vg/ already, you're taking up a valuable cuck and Twitter ragebait thread slot" and then they stick around for a while for some reason.

>>718219997
/ffg/ is a genuine insane asylum. It's got like hundreds of samefagging posts.

>>718219608
Well honestly if an E-celeb were to get John Lennoned Maxi-Shilling dude would deserve it.

>>718220147
>You actually get banned for making a XIV thread on /v/
that's a fucking lie and you know it. There's always xiv threads up at any time on /v/

>>718219218
>no romance Jessie option
shite game

>>718220032
the 30+ gaymer threads are pretty chill and mostly schizo-free

>>718220197
bro we have a guy here who's been blogging for a decade about his shit trailer trash life living with his alcoholic mother and his stepdad.

>>718220302
>You actually get banned for making a XIV thread on /v/ unless you're a janny who is making it as a shitpost dump.
You should greentext the entire sentence next time. That's clearly a shitpost thread.

>>718220348
I'm grateful to not be terminally online enough to know who you're talking about

>>718220147
>The /vg/ XIV threads are the real people
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

>>718220438
>but even that is 50/50 nowdays on whether they're real XIV people or hate schizos.
You gotta start reading entire sentences, lil bro.

>>718218295
This. It's so cringe to see realistic looking, supposedly adults, acting anime. It only works if it's actually anime.
Hell it's the reason why Japanese live action dramas of any kind are fucking cringe. Koreans with their kdrama know how to balance it

7R's true failing is fucking up the naming scheme. It was supposed to be Remake, Bizarro, Safer.

>>718220471
>The /v/ XIV thread schizos are people who hate XIV and then there's one guy who seems to be on a hunt for his bogeyman in there. The /vg/ XIV threads are the real people, but even that is 50/50 nowdays on whether they're real XIV people or hate schizos.
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
You gotta stop talking about stuff you're clueless on, lil mhigga.

I have drawn fanart of a poster in these threads that I don't like. That's how much I think about them. What do you all think about that?

>>718219647
Schizos with a hateboner for anything related to FFVII (including 7R) will falseflag and baitpost in these threads. Disingenuous schizos like this >>718219736 who are really only here to shit on anything related to VII (including 7R), even if it means arguing with themselves or with their fake madeup boogeymen.

>>718220438
>>718220630
nta, but wtf is with the "hahahahaha" weirdfuck posting?

>>718220687
>disingenuous posters like [this post that called me out]
Nice try

>>718220690
He thinks acting like that "owns" people.

>>718220690
Only appropriate response possible in lieu of appropriate reaction images not on hand. I'm glad you don't know how deranged what that anon's stating is.

>>718220690
Don't you feel owned when they write hahaha at you?

>>718220667
pic of the fanart?

>>718220861
anon, posting like a weird fuck isn't an "only appropriate response", can simply say "that's wrong/stupid" or something simple. not whatever the hell that anon was posting

>>718220687
>Schizos with a hateboner for anything related to FFVII (including 7R) will falseflag and baitpost in these threads. Disingenuous schizos like this
I asked about why it turns into eceleb and schizo shit, and you exacerbated the schizo shit, pointed to a post that apparently is calling you out personally, and then you also failed to explain the eceleb aspect.

>>718220667
Gimme a (You) to this post and I show you a cool magic trick

>>718220936
Sorry I hurt your feefees, anon-chama.

>>718221193
And you are >>718220667 ? Show a quick screenshot of you being the same poster with both >>718220667 and >>718221193 having (You)s

>>718221093
That's a third party, anon. He also thought your laughing was stupid, because it is. It makes you seem underaged and third world.

>>718221291
I don't understand, what has this got to do with me drawing fanart of an anon I hate?

>>718221492
Because you are not the artist. Instead you are pretending to be the artist because he mindbroke you 5 years ago so bad you still seething at him.

>>718221695
And why are you pretending to not be the artist? And you draw fanart of 4chan anons you don't like? That's mondo pathetic, dude. It's bad when you start spending time on things you dislike.

>>718221772
I'm flattered I mindbroke you so bad you'd seethe at me 5 years later and you'd even go as far as pretend to be me.

>>718221858
>I'm flattered I mindbroke you so bad you'd seethe at me 5 years later
Anon...

>>718221858
Did you really draw fanart of him?

>>718221892
Yes, he did. Very flattering.

>>718221872
So why would you pretend to be the anon who drove you to your current state?

>>718209625 (OP)
>What's the next FF game that I should play?
4, 5, 6, 9, tactis advance are the essential ones.

Then you can try 1 and 2 (origins collection)

>>718221924
How did you do that? I honestly don't remember you aside from when you drew that fanart and pretended to have a wife.

>>718221921
>Yes, he did
That is really, really sad and embarrassing. I can't imagine dedicating so much to something I hate, especially a 4chan poster.

It was perfect, shame about merge with enix and 6thgen budget stuff and dev cycle.

>>718222006
>humiliation
He gets off on it

>>718222236
Oh my god lmao

>>718222236
>faves
>furry art
Of course

>>718222060
is it just me or has Amano's artwork always been mid? Just never really appealed to my tastes

>>718209625 (OP)
IX and X

>>718222236
I'm honored you'd go through my galleries and profiles

>>718217368
Not according to your precious japs chud

>>718218516
qrd?

>>718222884
I'm honoured you would draw a picture just for me. I hope your wife isn't the jealous type.

Ever since Midgar was Midgul, Barret was Ballett, Tifa was still Aoyama Misao in CanCan Bunny Extra and not even exists in ff7, she's always Ea(Ae)rith

>>718223194
She's cool and knows Tifa is my fav victim lady. Will you be pretending to be me in future too?

>>718209625 (OP)
It would be easier to recommend stuff, if you said what you especially liked about VII. However since you loved it generally, VI is the most like VII, so that's a great bet and my first choice for you. If you want something that's notably different yet robust to show what the series has to offer, go with V. If you want something with an emphasis on story and characters, go with IV, VI or X.

But beyond positive indicators, if you want to be freeform about your next game, it can be I, III, IV, V, VI, X, XIII or XVI. (Technically you can also move onto Before Crisis: Final Fantasy VII, but that one you can only watch on Youtube.) Always remember, if a game isn't getting you hooked, drop it with extreme prejudice, because another game in the series will probably be much more up your alley, since they're significantly different from each other.

The only ones I would actively discourage you from playing are IX (should be played only after you've played at least two of the I to VI games for greater enjoyment), II & XII (unless you're into seriousness), VIII & XV (unless you're into real life) and XI & XIV (unless you desire an MMO).

>>718223504
Where did I pretend to be you?

>>718223575
Come on. >>718220667

You are still squirming and trying to make this about others. My final (You).

>>718216786
I did literally nothing in Gongaga besides the main question and spent probably like 20 mins in the region period. I just hated it. Hated what they did with it. They turned a depressing husk of a rotten town into some gay FernGully shit like that's not what that place was like AT ALL in the original game. I'm not even a purist but what the fuck was that?

>>718223754
Wait... you read that post and thought it was someone pretending to be you? Why would you think that?

>>718219218
Yes. She expressed interest in Cloud in eight of her seventeen non-tutorial lines in OGVII. I saw her as a turboslut for him ever since my second playthrough.

>>718223445
Give it up. it was 90s japan. They were guessing at correct pronounciations.

>>718218803
>7R is immature for its time
Because this time is so mature right moron

>>718212329
Why is it daylight? Wasn't the whole point that they can't see the sun?

>>718224669
yes and the 7R devs can't see anything with their heads so far up their own asses.

you played the only good FF
drop the franchise

>>718225809
He'll appreciate FF7 more if he tries the other FFs too

>>718209984
>>718210165
>>718210467
>>718212335
>>718218697
The GBA version of FF6 is also terrible, even worse than the pixel remaster. FF6 has no good ports, you should always play the original SNES version. There's a mod to update it with modern terminology and stuff, called the Ted Woolsey Uncensored mod, but the unmodded version is just fine too.

>>718209625 (OP)
the best one
FFV