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Anonymous No.718220909 >>718221152 >>718221242 >>718221259 >>718221329 >>718223987 >>718224067 >>718224459 >>718224567 >>718224606 >>718224719 >>718224792 >>718224923 >>718225279 >>718225360 >>718225372 >>718226221 >>718226706 >>718228323 >>718228518 >>718229071 >>718230150 >>718230728 >>718230778 >>718231192 >>718231328 >>718231342
Is it better than Bg3?
Anonymous No.718221152 >>718224890 >>718227381 >>718230894
>>718220909 (OP)
yes... it has a much more striking art style that has aged very well, and a kind of austere design with ad&d rules leading to a weirdly cold and steep difficulty curve from my experience. it's like a fine wine compared to bg3 which seems to cater to the worst kind of degenerate human who thinks the wacky shit on critical role is le amazing and go to their local monthly fetlife meetup at a shitty dive bar or whatever
Anonymous No.718221156 >>718230975
This was really my first experience with D&D shit (base game not SoA). I never made it too far because the game is just slow, but I really appreciated the thick ass manual.
Anonymous No.718221242
>>718220909 (OP)
no it's pure boomerslop
Anonymous No.718221259 >>718221313
>>718220909 (OP)
The writing and music are better. The combat is worse and the world less interactive.
Anonymous No.718221313 >>718224028
>>718221259
Agree. Writing is leagues better, I wish BG3 had BG2's writing because BG2's gameplay is awful. The most barebones RTwP CRPG gameplay you can get.
Anonymous No.718221329 >>718223909
>>718220909 (OP)
Wow anon, you made the same exact shitty rpg thread again for the 15th time today.
Anonymous No.718223909 >>718225961
>>718221329
Wow, faggot. You are still seething Baldur's Gaping Pozzhole 3 is shit.
Anonymous No.718223987
>>718220909 (OP)
Nioh is better than both, no bear fucking in nioh. Just prime japanese pussy, a true wmaf classic
Anonymous No.718224028 >>718227641
>>718221313
>Agree. Writing is leagues better,
That's a very low bar though. I don't think BG2's writing is particularly good either, and Jon Irenicus is a pretty generic villain propped up entirely by a fantastic voice actor.
Anonymous No.718224067 >>718224116 >>718224195
>>718220909 (OP)
Its a completely different game. BG2 is like other old school dnd computer games. Isometric and uses only dnd rules mostly. BG3 is just divinity with a dnd skin and shitty concentration.
Anonymous No.718224093 >>718224325 >>718224407
BG3 has plenty of flaws with the messy story but the story in BG2 is super forgettable
Anonymous No.718224116 >>718224224 >>718224451
>>718224067
both games use D&D rules, BG2 is bigger departure considering it isn't turn based
Anonymous No.718224195 >>718224224
>>718224067
BG3 is ten thousand times more faithful to its D&D ruleset than any of the Infinity Engine games.
Anonymous No.718224224 >>718224267
>>718224116
>>718224195
The difference is that it's automated.
Anonymous No.718224267
>>718224224
The difference is that it's real-time
Anonymous No.718224312
>Is a GOAT better than goyslop?
good one, OP. now go have a nice long drink from the toilet.
Anonymous No.718224325 >>718224364
>>718224093
> Ascension of the offspring of Baal
> Forgettable
Lad. You're a fucking fruitcake.
Anonymous No.718224364
>>718224325
That's Throne of Bhaal, which has a much better main story, but has other issues like flanderizing the fuck out of all the characters and being totally linear
Anonymous No.718224407 >>718224437
>>718224093
You're joking right?
Anonymous No.718224437
>>718224407
no
nobody ever talks about the story of BG2
They say Irenicus has a good VA and that's it
Anonymous No.718224451 >>718224482
>>718224116
>BG2 is bigger departure considering it isn't turn based
LMFAO it is, retard. there are turn countdown timers the same way there are hidden dice rolls. if I'm wrong, show me combat playing like an RTS with instant changes in behavior, which these games are clearly not.
Anonymous No.718224459
>>718220909 (OP)
Yes, but it depends on (you), I guess. But it's objectively better, if that's what you mean, yes.
Anonymous No.718224482 >>718224558
>>718224451
You don't know what "turn" means
Anonymous No.718224542 >>718224576 >>718227493 >>718230305
BG3 is a casestudy how you can simply copypaste one of your previous games, slap a new paint on it, throw it in the food trough and have the consoomers hail you as the new champion of RPGs.

BG3 is a good Divinity game, but a poor Baldur's Gate sequel.
Anonymous No.718224558 >>718224601
>>718224482
you don't know what wining an argument means
take your L, faggot
Anonymous No.718224567
>>718220909 (OP)
>he didn't solo it as a fighter/mage/cleric multiclass
you didn't beat the game.
Anonymous No.718224576 >>718224771 >>718227871 >>718231126
>>718224542
BG3 is better than BG2 in a lot of ways
Anonymous No.718224601 >>718224692 >>718226626
>>718224558
winning an argument usually means you present arguments and not just say "take the L"
action in BG1/2 happens simultaneously in real time, it is not turn based
Anonymous No.718224606
>>718220909 (OP)
No, but BG1 is better than BG2.
Anonymous No.718224681
Gonna replay it right now, what class should I play (I've only done fighter -> mage and Fighter/Mage)
Anonymous No.718224692 >>718224750
>>718224601
>action in BG1/2 happens simultaneously in real time
which is what I asked you to show me, which you didn't and can't. wining an argument is proving you wrong and then taking the victory lap humiliating you. like what I'm doing now while you keep crying and typing shitty bait LOL
Anonymous No.718224719
>>718220909 (OP)
Yes it really is better than bg3
Anonymous No.718224750 >>718224807
>>718224692
Show you what?
Anonymous No.718224771
>>718224576
well yeah, he did say it was a good divinity game. And those were already more fun than any RTWPslop
Anonymous No.718224792 >>718224839 >>718224871
>>718220909 (OP)
>Is it better than Bg3?
No but it is still a good game. The only thing that BG3 fails on is the insertion of too many faggots in the game. If there were less faggots in the game i'd call BG3 the perfect RPG. Now i can only give it a 9/10 because the faggotry is too much and feels out of place ruining some moments.
>inb4 then why isn't BG2 better?
BG2 is worse in pretty much every aspect. Still a great game but worse than BG3. The only thing BG2 has over BG3 is that there are less faggots in it.
Anonymous No.718224807 >>718224861
>>718224750
ironic shitposting is just shitposting
L
Anonymous No.718224839
>>718224792
BG2 has a better interface, it's much easier to play, BG3 is a fucking slog because of the terrible inventory and party management
BG3 is also very unbalanced both in and outside of combat
Anonymous No.718224849 >>718224983
>almost 30 years later, they're still fuming
Anonymous No.718224861 >>718224996
>>718224807
are you black or something? you can't compose your thoughts into a rational argument and just chimp out
Anonymous No.718224871
>>718224792
I remember when I first played bg3 it was with a party full of my buds and so we didnt interact with any of the companions. I was confused why so many people were talking about fags all the time
then I did a solo playthrough
I almost threw up when that zesty fucking nigga showed up in my camp and tried to get me to dance with him. then he had the audacity to make sad puppy eyes when I told him to stop being a faggot
Anonymous No.718224890 >>718224909
>>718221152
>steep difficulty curve
Nigga what? Unless you deliberately gimp yourself or install mods, the only difficulty in the game comes from a player's lack of knowledge on both the game itself and AD&D mechanics.
Anonymous No.718224909
>>718224890
>the only difficulty in the game comes from a player's lack of knowledge on both the game itself and AD&D mechanics.
thats the steep difficulty curve
Anonymous No.718224923 >>718224940
>>718220909 (OP)
Anyone who says yes is a nostalgia faggot
As much as 5E sucks AD&D is literal dogshit.
Anonymous No.718224940 >>718224968
>>718224923
all D&D rules are dogshit
Anonymous No.718224968 >>718224989 >>718225002
>>718224940
I like 3.5e and pathfinder (same shit really)
Anonymous No.718224983
>>718224849
This is a talk about Diablo. Of course real-time was good for diablo. What wasn't good was every rpg trying to be a diablo clone and failing, making their own games shit and dooming the genre for decades
Anonymous No.718224989 >>718225014 >>718225048 >>718225156
>>718224968
>i like casting buffs
Anonymous No.718224996
>>718224861
>he's still shitposting
another great example of underage or ESL
Anonymous No.718225002
>>718224968
It's all the same shit
Tabletop rule systems are really bad at providing a strategic / tactical experience for the player, they all just boil down to rules lawyering and knowledge gating
Anonymous No.718225014
>>718224989
Ye I do its literally one of the main pillars of the RPG genre.
Anonymous No.718225048
>>718224989
Just don't cast them then.
>B-B-B-BUT-
just don't cast them lol
Anonymous No.718225156 >>718225329
>>718224989
Yes. Yes I do. What you gonna about it, faggot?
Anonymous No.718225279 >>718225356
>>718220909 (OP)
i finished both bg1 and 2 back in 2014, i dropped bg3 in the middle of act 3 i don't even know why but my will to play it was lowering as i progress.
also none of the writing is memorable in 3 while i could still quote many random npc lines from the first two games. both the writing and voice acting is fucking boring
Anonymous No.718225329
>>718225156
>anon who only talks shit because he has more buffs than he does friends
Sad
Anonymous No.718225356
>>718225279
if quotable lines are your criteria for good writing then I guess RTS games with unit barks have the best writing of any game
Anonymous No.718225358
It doesn't have gay shit so automatically yes.
Anonymous No.718225360
>>718220909 (OP)
Nah.
Anonymous No.718225372
>>718220909 (OP)
No, it's one of the most overrated games of all time.
Anonymous No.718225782 >>718225912
BG3 is already borderline irrelevant, while BG2 is still vigorously discussed over 20 years later.
Anonymous No.718225912
>>718225782
>while BG2 is still vigorously discussed over 20 years later.
its not vigorously discussed now
Anonymous No.718225961
>>718223909
Says the retard mad that everyone else in the world loves it
Anonymous No.718226221 >>718227926
>>718220909 (OP)
>no imoen romance path
Anonymous No.718226374 >>718226509 >>718226662
can mods even fix BG3?
Anonymous No.718226509 >>718230704
>>718226374
Theoretically they could at least fix the issues with the combat, they can't fix all the issues with the story
But years after its release there are still no mods that do this, like there isn't even a mod to lower the XP curve so you don't hit the level cap before you finish the game, I had to make one myself
The audience is too casual to care
Anonymous No.718226626 >>718226673
>>718224601
it is turn-based but the turns happen simultaneously
Anonymous No.718226662
>>718226374
Everything has high definition fully-voiced mocap animations so it's not possible to add anything meaningful with mods
Anonymous No.718226673 >>718227041 >>718227228
>>718226626
>the turns happen simultaneously
then its not turn based, its round based
Anonymous No.718226706 >>718228087
>>718220909 (OP)
yes
>roll paladin
>no fucking idea what I'm doing
>enter a villa in the city
>what this? enemies inside the house are attacking me! have at ye!
>kill everyone and loot the entire villa
>on my way to trader to sell the loot
>suddenly overhear everyone in my group complaining
>"I don't know if I am willing to walk this path..." - "If I knew what this group would be up to, I would have never joined..."
>everyone except edwin "now this is more to my liking, FUCKING GREAT FUCK YEAH"
>random guards or mages show up to fight me when I rest
>don't remember how I found out, but finally notice that my reputation went from like 18 to 3 or 4
>go to next temple and spend all my money to bring it back up
>level up later
>can't pick paladin levels anymore because of fallen paladin status, have to continue as fighter
>kicked out of order
>enter another villa, again with evil hostile guards, start killing them
>finally notice in the combat log how killing each guard reduces my rep
>stop invading random villas
>finish the game as fallen paladin fighter
no RPG will ever be this kino
Anonymous No.718227041 >>718227146
>>718226673
>the engine and systems are turn based
>OH, SO THIS GAME IS NOT TURN BASED THEN!
this whiny loser cunt still crying? it's like zhe didn't even read the fucking D&D manuals and can't grasp the concept of the base systems. game presentation ≠ game system
Anonymous No.718227146 >>718227228 >>718228532
>>718227041
When the turns become simultaneous and realtime, it's no longer turn-based by any definition of the word
Anonymous No.718227228 >>718227283
>>718226673
>>718227146
legit autists
Anonymous No.718227283
>>718227228
not my fault i know what "turn" means
Anonymous No.718227381
>>718221152
>critical role
I like the male looking Asian female that has huge arms and might teeth, able to critical hit whales and other colossal enemies with her powerful bite attack.
Anonymous No.718227493 >>718227519 >>718230361
>>718224542
BG3 is not a bad game, but it is one of the worst CRPGs ever made.
Anonymous No.718227519
>>718227493
>CRPGs
meme genre
Anonymous No.718227641 >>718230551
>>718224028
bg2 and 3 are kind of similar in that the main plot is a complete mess in both games but you dont really notice it initially because of the great acting.
Anonymous No.718227871 >>718227969
>>718224576
It's me, the famous son of the God of murder. I'm sitting here, near the sewer, on my throne and guard the special club I founded. Patiently I await all your questions eagerly and will answer every single one, as thorough as possible.
Anonymous No.718227926
>>718226221
Ugly, where are the yellow accents and the skort?
Anonymous No.718227969 >>718228178
>>718227871
you going to act like all video games dont have stupid contivances like this?
Anonymous No.718228087
>>718226706
>no RPG will ever be this kino
I swear my allegiance to a god of my liking.
>said God grants holy power
Awesome, I'm stronger than others, let's loot this place, looks fancy.
>grows rich by misusing powers
>looses said powers for breaking his oath
>finds out way too late he lost his powers and has to spend his riches to be accepted as a fallen paladin, a fighter with better saving throws, not a paladin
Ironic, isn't it? Easy come, easy go, as they say.
Anonymous No.718228178 >>718228332
>>718227969
Bg3 had an experienced team, gigantic funding and a golden ea. They still fucked up big league imho. Curious if their new games will be better, doubt it. Shouldn't larians ea start soon?
Anonymous No.718228264
Act 3 is actually offensive, even for midwits
Anonymous No.718228323 >>718228412 >>718228572
>>718220909 (OP)
The only gripe I have about BG1 and BG2 is the caster boss fights. Specifically the layered immunities and protections and protections for those protections that ALL high level casters have access to with hilarious speed. Speed that you the player are unable to duplicate even with a chain contingency or improved alacrity.

The rules for 3.5 were such that unless you had taken the time to memorize which protections Dispel Magic, Remove Magic, Ruby Ray, Breach, Pierce Magic, Spell Thrust, Warding Whip, Secret word and Spellstrike could remove AND checked the combat log to see what anti-protection removal spells they had cast... every time you fought a Caster you had to look at the combat log, see what protections theyd cast and then spend a ridiculous amount of time reading the descriptions of every spell protection removal ability you had AND THEN double check to see if they had things like Spell Shield/Spell Turning/Minor Globe up as well that would BLOCK your ability to remove their protections unless you started with one specific Spell.

Youre out of breath reading that run on sentence you fat fuck. Now imagine doing it. The Spell protections/defenses/removals/anti removals system was VERY horribly built and the only way to accurately navigate it as a new player or even just as someone unfamiliar to it was to spend several minutes reading every time you heard "HES IMMUNE MY ATTACK HAS NO EFFECT". It didnt just interrupt the flow of combat it slammed you into a brick wall.
Anonymous No.718228332 >>718228952
>>718228178
Larian was an AA taking on an AAA game with Baldurs Gate 3, and they did not have gigantic funding
BG2 had a much smoother development, and it shows
Literally every video game has plot contrivances, that's like the worst example you could use for a game being bad
Anonymous No.718228412 >>718228640
>>718228323
>The only gripe I have about BG1 and BG2 is the caster boss fights. Specifically the layered immunities and protections and protections for those protections that ALL high level casters have access to with hilarious speed.
they're the only challenging part of the game
Anonymous No.718228518
>>718220909 (OP)
yes, especially with mods.
Anonymous No.718228532 >>718228645
>>718227146
>the turns become simultaneous and realtime
I'm so glad adolescent-level reading comprehension is still making brainlets terminally ASSMAD and filtering them 40 years later
everything happens in real-time in D&D, but with incredibly minute speed variations. turns are taken because it simulates the speed of thought that characters and monsters are processing as it might occur in real combatNPCs really struggle with this concept because they don't have real thoughts
Anonymous No.718228572
>>718228323
Oh and if you didnt do this - you know, because the game gives you no indication this is a required action until you are faced by a Caster that is immune to everything you throw at him - you just die. There's not even any kind of tutorial, its literally "hey here's a psychotic 37 circle venn diagram of intersectional Spellnigger bullshit but its actually text spread across two dozen different Spell tool tips. No we arent going to warn you about this. Fuck you. Have fun reading bitch"
Anonymous No.718228640 >>718228682
>>718228412
Intended difficulty and difficulty via poor design are vastly different things.
Anonymous No.718228645 >>718228949
>>718228532
D&D is a turn-based game, objectively, you trying to create a lore-based justification for this doesn't change this
And it's a poor lore-based justification, because the duration that actions take and how many turns they take have no correlation
It takes 10 times as long to drink a potion as it does to swing a sword, yet they both take one turn
Anonymous No.718228682 >>718229294
>>718228640
Difficultly via poor design is the best you're gonna get with TTRPG rules
Kills It With Fire No.718228949 >>718228995
>>718228645
>D&D is a turn-based game, objectively
>Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 are D&D games
>Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 are turn-based games, objectively
EPIC AUTO-BTFO MOMENT
take yet another L, (You) absolute moronic troll clown
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Anonymous No.718228952 >>718229057
>>718228332
>Literally every video game has plot contrivances
Maybe, but the quantity and quality varies. It's unfun to play as a rpg, at least past the ea part. The very same was true for dos2, too. Seems they didn't learn anything. Bg3 is fun as a dungeon crawler, especially as the toolkit is now available. This puts bg3 in the level of a fun tech demo, not a finished game. The story is near non sensical, the reactions are mostly recycled, see drow or gith and this alone kills any immersion that might occur.
Anonymous No.718228995
>>718228949
>D&D is a turn-based game, objectively
true
>Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 are turn-based games, objectively
false

god i cant wait for them to age filter the entire internet
Anonymous No.718229057 >>718232129
>>718228952
I agree, it feels like a mess, feels like it has the ingredients of a very good game but they don't come together as a whole very well because everything's broken or unbalanced in some way, from the combat to the story to the UI
Anonymous No.718229071
>>718220909 (OP)
No.
Anonymous No.718229294 >>718229352
>>718228682
The tabletop had it easier because you had spells that'd essentially force the DM to tell you what was cast and most DMs weren't cocks enough to counterspell a Breach or Spell Thrust. In BG1 and BG2 you had to try to find it in the combat log AND THEN dig through spell descriptions til you found what could remove it AND THEN if they had anti-spell removal abilities active you had to dig through MORE spell descriptions to find the right anti-anti-spell removal spells to cast in the right order. And each cast could be interrupted by ANY damage (hence why SCS nerfed the everliving fuck out of inseft plague and creeping doom) and waste the spell slot. BG 1&2 took a shit system and objectively made it even worse.
Anonymous No.718229352 >>718229478
>>718229294
If you remove spell immunities and counters from BG you're left with a game that is just dice rolling until you win, it's the only form of challenge in the game
Anonymous No.718229478 >>718232189
>>718229352
My issue isnt with their existence. Its with the fucking trainwreck of their implementation.
Anonymous No.718229594
If you deconstruct any game, it boils down to a fetch quest puzzle game.
Anonymous No.718230150
>>718220909 (OP)
>rest
>my companions screech at me to go do a quest i'm under levelled for
Anonymous No.718230305
>>718224542
>BG3 is a good Divinity game, but a poor Baldur's Gate sequel.
Good. divinity mogs bg
Anonymous No.718230361 >>718231103
>>718227493
>one of the worst CRPGs ever made
How exactly? Considering what is lauded by the cRPG community that is pillars and pathfinder, both absolute dung well that may be a good thing.
Anonymous No.718230551
>>718227641
Yeah, crazy shit just keeps on happening in both of them and when it's all over you actually think back and go "hold on, why the fuck did any of that happen?"
Anonymous No.718230704
>>718226509
>like there isn't even a mod to lower the XP curve so you don't hit the level cap before you finish the game, I had to make one myself
Why does that matter? You have time to play as max power? That isn't even true btw, there's also mods that increase the level cap for the party and NPCs.
Anonymous No.718230728
>>718220909 (OP)
Imagine how the OP decides to make a thread and this sad shit is the thing he comes up with. Embarrassing.
Anonymous No.718230778
>>718220909 (OP)
Apples and oranges
Anonymous No.718230894
>>718221152
I agree that BG1 is better than 3 but your reasons for not liking 3 are mentally ill garbage from being terminally online all the time. As a long term BG fan, 3 honestly is a solid game. You don't have to hate it just because some people on the internet that you don't like enjoy it.
Anonymous No.718230975
>>718221156
Shadows of Amn is the base game. Throne of Bhaal was the expansion. Or did you mean BG1?
Anonymous No.718231103 >>718231242
>>718230361
This is /v/. They shit on anything popular purely because it's popular. Its a bunch of tards pretending to be the vidya equivalent of arthouse snobs but im reality they just sit around ragebaiting eachother with contrarianism all day.
Anonymous No.718231126
>>718224576
correct
Anonymous No.718231192 >>718231291 >>718231315 >>718231335
>>718220909 (OP)
BG1&2 with SCS installed are probably the best CRPGs ever made. Definitely top 5 at least. Nobody will remember BG3 in a couple of years.
Anonymous No.718231242
>>718231103
Thing is I don't just see it on /v/ where i'd expect retarded takes. Couple cRPG youtubers say the same bullshit and I don't understand it. I'm not a big cRPG fan but bg3 is atleast above-average in the genre.
Anonymous No.718231291
>>718231192
>Nobody will remember BG3 in a couple of years.
kek
Anonymous No.718231315 >>718231335 >>718231421
>>718231192
People still remember DAO, and some are retarded enough to say it was a great RPG when everything was in fact simplified and dumbed down for the broader audiences. It's using trying to appeal to majority because majority is fucking braindead.
Anonymous No.718231328
>>718220909 (OP)
No. It's better than the first game but not on the level of 3.
Anonymous No.718231335
>>718231192
You know it's been a couple of years?
>>718231315
And here's the cope.
Anonymous No.718231342
>>718220909 (OP)
No, you cannot fuck the vampire there. No properly evil path either.
Anonymous No.718231421
>>718231315
When I say "nobody", that includes brown people as well.
Anonymous No.718231475 >>718231732 >>718232425
You now remember the second half of BG3. Oh wait, you don't.
Anonymous No.718231732
>>718231475
I remember it much more clearly than I remember the 2nd half of bg2. But to be fair it's been a much longer time. Still, my recollection of the latter half of that game is just you bouncing around to a bunch of nonsensical locations trying to hunt down Jon.
Anonymous No.718232129
>>718229057
Unfortunately, that's the way it is. It's very similiar to dos2, so I don't expect the following games to be different in that regard. Great ea part, the rest will be mediocre at best.
Anonymous No.718232189
>>718229478
Bg2 has the best mage battles, even if it's just stripping defenses away. Despite the ai cheating, it's fun.
Anonymous No.718232425 >>718232789
>>718231475
Oh, but I do! That wonderful refugee subtext, that hilarious gay granny infidelity reveal, that squatter mini-quest! Damn, remembering that the devs have the same rights I do makes me sad.
Anonymous No.718232789
>>718232425
>Damn, remembering that the devs have the same rights I do makes me sad.