Thread 718225247

>plenty of games not even supported
>look like shit even when they do get supported
>renoDX is a poorly documented mess and unreliable
HDR for video games is a scam.

>>718225247 (OP)
Pure 1080p 180hz gaming stays winning

Yes. Not to mention displays can be 'certified HDR' but actually suck at it, Switch 2 for example.

We wouldn't need HDR if devs were competent at UE5. They just leave the default contrast values and have the piss fog everywhere.

>>718225247 (OP)
True, which is why you need to play nioh, the most beautiful game ever made.

>>718225247 (OP)
Yeah when I had to fucking install windows 11 and then start tinkering with renodx to properly play hdr games on my fancy new 4k hdr tv I realized this technology is great but nothing is even being done to standardise its usage. Also HDR being used as a selling point on gaming monitors when it's usually trash tier at best really doesn't help.

>>718225247 (OP)
>fixes everything
lol you didn't buy a red gpu, right?

>>718225247 (OP)
That """HDR""" is how ALL my content looks on my SDR monitor. Fake marketing as fuck.

For game devs, HDR is a similar sort of crutch for lazy hacks as the MetaHuman.

>>718225424
>then start tinkering with renodx to properly play hdr games
I got it working with the reshade, then it tanked my FPS and washed out all the color. Then i proceeded to uninstall it and just accepted i got memed by /v/ about this shit no one cares about and was always a marketing gimmick. If the developers aren't putting in the games, then it's official territory of things no gives a shit about. And for when it does work in the 'officially supported' it looks bad there too.

>>718225540
>lowers your fps
heh nothing personnel

>>718225540
I've always made a habit of not installing Nvidia's software on anything that isn't the control panel. If i had an AMD card I'd reject similar bullshit. Supposedly RTX HDR takes away FPS, which is what i experienced with RenoDX too for some reason.

Just to give an example of why RenoDX is seriously broken or something. I followed the instructions to the exact letter, whole game is grey. Do you think if this was a serious technology that I'd have to go through these hoops? and for it to just not work anyway? there's way i could have messed it up, the nexus mod page wrote it out in clear terms.

>>718225247 (OP)
RenoDX works fine on a good number of games, I don't know what your problem is
Some games look fucking brutal with HDR, maybe your display is garbage?

>>718227573
Just use nvtruehdr on low settings if FPS is a concern
Honestly when I use HDR the impact I have is like 5 fps less on a game where I get 170. This is not worth playing on SDR.

>>718229269
Look at this image and explain why Wukong looks like this.>>718229974
I put the renodx-bmw.addon64 in the folder of the executable. Suddenly all the color is gone, you can see how badly it looks regardless of what screen you're looking at it on.

There's no way i could have screwed it up, it's their own instructions.

>>718230142
Have you enabled HDR on windows?
Have you created an HDR color profile through the calibration tool you can download at the windows store?
What is your actual peak brightness?
Are your ingame gamma settings set to default?
What's your monitor or display?

>>718230334
>Have you created an HDR color profile through the calibration tool you can download at the windows store?
That's not relevant to what we're talking about when it's getting the color space so fucked up and wrong in the first place. It doesn't matter about calibration at that point. That's only for fine tuning.

>>718225247 (OP)
HDR is really nice but I can't be arsed to have a bunch of unusable screenshots in my folder because somehow this is an issue and we can't have just a normal image format for HDR screenshots and instead need to have a shitty format literally no website and image program uses.

>>718225247 (OP)
>plenty
these days only the PS adjacent titles support HDR and even then it's not very good HDR
complete meme tech

>>718230515
you are a stupid

>>718230753
>snoy making shit up again

>>718230515
I don't care that's not relevant, you're gonna bitch about it looking bad either way if you get it "fixed" if you don't do that process, it takes a fucking minute.
Did you check pic related?

>>718230910
which part?

>>718225247 (OP)
The biggest problem with HDR is the lack of uniformity/consistency with devices and displays, which then translates to developers (and film colorists) not knowing a proper benchmark for colors and brightness.
Go on RTings or any other review/database site and you’ll see that literally every single display has different recommended values for brightness, color tone, etc
This is absurdly stupid to the point where nobody actually knows what good visuals are anymore and instead have to configure each arcane settings menu to fit a nebulous benchmark.
Developers then don’t know how to implement it either, and instead of just relying on auto-settings from a console’s preestablished HDR configuration, they require you to independently adjust values.
The whole thing is very stupid and results in wildly different approaches to HDR, even in AAA games.

>>718231026
Well i tried that and now it won't even launch anymore, so thanks for the snake oil.

>>718232065
So you're retarded, got it

>>718232119
I'm retarded because i changed the engine.ini and now the games executable is not working? sometimes its not good to make some random change because it fuck everything up.

>>718231981
>Developers then don’t know how to implement it either
What I like the most is when in-game calibration screens either A) don't actually tell you what they are adjusting or B) give misleading help text. Option C is the nintendo special where the switch 2's calibration screens WILL give you fucked up results if you do it to their guidance.

(this is for external displays obviously, the inbuilt screen isn't really HDR capable)

>technology supported by 900 series cards
>supported by like every monitor released now
>people are SO POOR they don't even have a 900 series, and bitch about it
Latin America has fallen.

>>718225540
>color grading effect has the same performance cost as using rt reflections in cyberpunk
xDDD
>our system thinks your post is spam
sorry ill contain my laughter

>>718232469
You're retarded because you didn't "follow the instructions to the exact letter", dumbass. Actually go fucking read that shit yourself, I'm not wasting more of my time spoonfeeding you.

>>718232641
The technology is not supported in many games, what the fuck are you talking about? Wukong doesn't have it. Space Marine 2 doesn't have it. These are fairly high profile releases and it's not isolated.

>>718232714
A comment on Nexus mods was not in their installation guide. That guy said it was supposed to do that by default, yet it didn't. Because the mod didn't work.

>>718232752
Ok, some games don't support it. The hardware is there, and plenty of games DO support it, and quite well. What's your excuse for calling it a scam when it exists by default? It's not like RT where you have to buy a non-poor card to get it to work.

No proper HDR no buy.
Simple as.

>>718225247 (OP)
>HDR for video games is a scam.
It's also a scam for movies. I can't believe even the Criterion Collection fell for this bullshit.

>>718225691
>i got memed by /v/ about this shit
Did you never read the TV/display threads were everyone is saying HDR is fucking shit? Also 4k is not for video games.

you mongrels really are zoomers

>noooo i don't want to spend time configuring give it to me on a plate or else it's a scam

why do people hate auto HDR again in windows 11? people say it looks worse than RTX HDR but I had the exact opposite experience.

>>718232641
If it was such a serious technology then why have high profile releases like Space Marine 2 not included it in their options? Wukong isn't the only triple A release it's not in.

>>718231014
It's fucking crazy that people saw this image and were like WOW the color spectrum with HDR is huge! And it's just fucking green and a little bit of purple.

>>718232829
>hdr hard to setup cuz im big retardo
>ignoring the fact that modern graphics rendering is fucked and even hdr wont save it
average goycattle dogshitslurper right over here. have you preordered nba 2k27 already?

>>718231981
You're right that it's a mess when there should be some actual standards set and not have the user have to fucking tinker a lot to get something looking right. But I find it also retarded to dismiss it when it's still possible to get good results. It'd actually make my life easier if HDR was just a meme instead of something I can use to make something like Stellar Blade look cumworthy.

>>718225247 (OP)
The issue is that 0.05% of people have a proper HDR-ready monitor. HDR400/HDR600 is a worthless label that manufacturers like to slap on their IPShit monitors but it's not enough to show proper HDR.
HDR for PC games is dead in the water until everyone has caught up and is using OLED.

>>718233042
t. LCDlet

>>718232989
It largely depends on the game.
With SDR Gamma 2.2 = RTX HDR.
With SDR Gamma SRGB = AutoHDR.
Some games like The Talos Principle 2 have both.

>>718232989
Because they need to cope that their nvidia shit is better, while most people raving about it somehow showcase it blowing out bright highlights like crazy and making the whole picture look like ass.

>>718225247 (OP)
I got a switch 2 and while visiting my mother I docked it to her TV and it said the TV was HDR compatible with it, but then I turned it on and the brightness kept going up and down, or more to the point slowly getting brighter before jumping back to the dimmest point, or maybe it was the other way around

>>718233176
Nobody is going to adopt oled for pc usage because pc users know meme tech when they see it.

>>718225247 (OP)
>HDR
Why should I throw away 500 dollars on a Gsync monitor for another gimmick effect? Everything looks fine as is on my IPS and the other TN panel already, though a little Reshade modding is required to make the colors really pop.

>>718233473
SDR looks like shit in comparison. Always.
Flat and lifeless.
Going from LCD SDR to OLED HDR feels like going from 2D to 3D. Cope; seethe; dilate

>>718233247
>>718233257
I can't get RTX enhancement to work on my PC literally at all. AutoHDR from Windows works and looks great, as does built-in HDR in games like CyberPunk. Everyone keeps saying RTX HDR looks better but it refuses to work. I had more success using Special K or RenoDX than this RTX shit.

>>718225247 (OP)
You say I need HDR to view the image on the right, but I can already see it. Checkmate

>>718230142
Note that's a SDR image trying to convey what HDR looks like. Default JPG and PNG can't retain the HDR metadata, and tonemap it down to SDR. You need JXR to retain it, and how it looks is display-dependent (since it just tells your display to aim for a color and brightness that it may or may not support).
Dependent on your display and calibration, the effect of this may be lesser or greater. Here's a comparison of the same scene in SDR and HDR. HDR has much more vibrant color and the brightness of the molten iron and sparks pops more.
https://files.catbox.moe/w3jbpq.png
https://files.catbox.moe/1h8sm6.jxr
>>718233012
It's extra work making a game work in two different color ranges.

>>718233724
Use NVTrueHDR and use the preset that shows if it's working or not.
If you have AutoHDR on, RTX HDR will refuse to work, you have to go into the Graphics settings on Windows and make sure AutoHDR is disabled for the games you want to use RTX HDR on. But I did find some games that don't work with RTX HDR no matter what, like Deus Ex HR.

>>718233261
1. Just because it says it’s HDR compatible doesn’t mean it is, as it could only be technically HDR. Apparently got the same issue with my tv, where it it’s technically HDR compatible but said HDR is dogshit
2. Nintendo’s HDR is dogshit in of itself and isn’t proper HDR as evident by >>718225331 >>718232569 . You’re better off turning it off

>>718232989
It's not that bad but whenever I try it, it lifts blacks and makes the image look more washed out. It also cannot be adjusted, which in and of itself is a major issue given that it doesn't look ideal by default. I can mostly fix it to the point where it looks alright to the eye at least by adjusting the monitor settings but it's still kinda lackluster. The lifted blacks are the core issue but the highlights also don't seem to get as bright as real HDR or as RTX HDR and I can't fix that by tweaking my screen.

It's like 80% there, if MS just fucking added some adjustments that you could configure per-game or hell, even just globally instead of only having their default it would be much better. RTX HDR is better even just from the perspective of being adjustable, though it has its own major issue in the fact that it only works in exclusive fullscreen and a lot of newer games nowadays don't even support that anymore, so RTX HDR is entirely unusable by default.

Also SDR -> HDR converters are kinda annoying because they do shit like make the UI extremely bright since they don't know what part of the image is the game world and which is the UI, both suck in this sense. RenoDX or native HDR are much better.

>>718233473
good lord what is this vomit inducing garbage

>>718233176
It doesn't look impressive on OLED either.
The shills over hyped it.

>>718233981
>they're shilling non-vendor specific technology that's on everything
>these fuckers shill food and water, too
I don't think you know what shilling means.

>>718234036
Well the claim on here is usually that only OLED is capable of displaying true HDR. Which is the exact kind of comment i was replying to and it doesn't look good.

>>718234178
OLEDs are also non-vendor specific technology. Am I shilling GPUs because you need one to play games?
To shill, you need to be shilling an actual product or company.
>to make a smoothie, put the ingredients in your blender, liquid first
>FUCK YOU, INGREDIENT AND BLENDER SHILL FUCK GOD FUCK

>>718233683
SDR looks plenty good enough and has done so for the past several years. HDR is just another gimmick in a long list of gimmicks you don’t need meant to shill you overpriced tv’s/monitors. They already got 4k figured out, 8k is a ways off, and people learned about the OLED scam with burn-in so they gotta do something new
>dude you get slightly more vibrant colors with HDR you HAVE to buy a new monitor for $500+
Thanks, but i’m not retarded

>>718234178
Yeah that's obviously not true, the LCD screens rated for DisplayHDR1000 or above will do a decent job as well, better even in bright scenes since they don't have brightness limits for suicide prevention purposes.

>>718234280
>To shill, you need to be shilling an actual product or company.
Not exactly, Since it's mostly Samsung and LG profiting from the screen technology the most in regards to PC monitors. Despite the different vendors, they're sourcing their panels from them. Therefore that creates a real incentive to shill OLEDs when all of the mid to high ranger monitors are using the same technology with very little meaningful differences between each. At the end of the day there is a real vested interest for a specific kind of panel to succeed.

>>718233875
>But I did find some games that don't work with RTX HDR no matter what, like Deus Ex HR.
I haven't played that one, but I guess it's one of the games which doesn't support exclusive fullscreen. RTX HDR doesn't work in borderless fullscreen (or windowed, obviously), it even tells you this in the overlay if you open it.

>>718234561
But those are two different companies. Which do I work for?
If I shill GPUs, you're getting it from Nvidia or AMD. Since I mentioned GPUs here, I must be shilling them. Which do I work for?
Am I shilling for Kitchenaid or Cuisinart?

>>718225247 (OP)
Ah another "poor fag bought a shit screen and blames the tech as a whole and not the fact that he buys garbage" thread.
The hdr in your picture is not what hdr does

There is significantly more to HDR than just a peak brightness value which sadly makes the subject really difficult for brainlets to wrap their head around.

You have to calibrate your tv or monitor or you have no business trying out hdr. Sdr is way more forgiving and is the zone where you see everything with little to no effort

>>718234761
You said it's not possible to shill when there are numerous vendors, and I'm telling you that two hardware manufacturers hold a monopoly on the outside of the vendors. Therefore i can actually say that's shilling.

>>718235043
So who am I shilling for? What company is paying me to shill general technology that's also available from a competitor?

>>718225247 (OP)
Its great and worth it when it work. Unfortunately is never works out of the box for 90% of the games.

>>718235167
The tech tubers prove that they're shills time and time again with this technology. This guy for example will tell you that the best hardware investment you could ever make is not really a faster GPU or CPU (which will provide objective improvements to everything), but an OLED screen. And he says that despite the fact that HDR support is limited or in a pretty miserable state in most games. The panels have known issues with VRR flickering at high refresh rates and so on. And there is a pretty much cult like behavior from the supposedly tech savvy side of youtube to actually excuse all of it's faults and imperfections. If you don't think industry plants exist then you're very naive.

I haven't measured the performance tax Special K incurs with HDR enabled but I use it for every game anyway. It's especially useful in UE5 games where they tend to crash and the window becomes unresponsive, holding your main monitor hostage until it decides to close itself. You have to blindly navigate to the other monitor, move the task manager over with a hotkey then manually terminate the process. Special K just prevents games from ever doing that among other things, you should avoid playing those shitty games if you have the option though.

>>718235651
But who watches tech tubers other than absolute bottom feeders?

>>718235651
>but an OLED screen. And he says that despite the fact that HDR support is limited or in a pretty miserable state in most games
You don't need HDR to reaps the benefits of OLED. If anything, OLED is the worst way we've found yet to have a "flawless" HDR picture, at the expense of a much dimmer picture than a miniLED screen for instance (which have other flaws, mostly blooming, but also typically slower response time than even non-miniLED screens).

>>718225247 (OP)
>op is a retard
many such cases

>>718234759
>RTX HDR doesn't work in borderless fullscreen (or windowed, obviously)
The what now
I play the Talos Principle 2 with RTX HDR (with SDR sRGB gamma set to off, of course) and borderless fullscreen. It works on both borderless and exclusive fullscreen. Is this a new thing? I'm not using the overlay, rather I'm using NVTrueHDR and the profile inspector to set RTX HDR manually, so I'm not getting the overlay.

>>718232918
>Also 4k is not for video games.
sounds like a poor people issue

>>718225247 (OP)
And don't forget that literally 100% of normal windows operations do not support it so outside of your game your computer will look like shit.
And the only way to have a quick toggle is to install the stupid xbox gamebar. Absolute cancer

>>718235941
MicroLED soon™
QDEL soon™

>>718235941
Even True Black 400 HDR on a standard QD OLED monitor is better than most garbage out there. ABL kills OLED for the time being but if I had to choose I'd rather get the thing that makes even SDR look fantastic and low response times than eye blinding fullscreen brightness. Shit there was a time I preferred the dimming caused by shit like black frame insertion just to get some proper motion clarity.

It's got to be a meme at this point right? Nobody actually thinks OLED+HDR doesn't mog the shit out of sRGB and LED/LCD do they??

>>718236001
I'm not retarded, just go down the list of games that need to be apparently 'salvaged' by RenoDX. And after that episode of me needing to edit an ini file causing the game not to launch, I'd rather we just got it through the official channels. Is that so much to ask for? that if this technology was worth it's salt then it would just automatically turn on and being in some ideal enough state that all calibration can be done in game.

>>718236164
I don't know how recent it is, I only installed W11 recently and RTX HDR doesn't work on W10 so everything I tried with it is actually recent, never tried it further back. This is what the overlay says and I can most definitely confirm it does not work, does absolutely nothing and the adjustments are greyed out as you can see.

>>718236502
I agree with you but I can see why people just run away from this shit
OLED suffers from being "fragile" and expensive, with burn in being a problem that does not have a solution, only mitigations, and OLED monitors are just not bright enough to make HDR shine, there's some aggressive ABL
HDR is chaotic as fuck with no proper standards set and there's a lot of fucking around to get things to look right when, with how much the technology has been shilled, manufacturers should be looking to make the experience more usable rather than have users handle it haphazardly.
I played some games with HDR on my OLED monitor and they're fucking beautiful, and surely I would not ever trade this shit for my IPS monitor that I use for work (which was my previous gaming monitor before), and there's a lot of content on my OLED monitor I'd rather use HDR for than SDR, but it can put off anyone, specially given it's not a cheap experience either.
I mean one of the biggest reasons I don't switch to linux is how HDR support is handled there and that is offputting to shit already.

HDR is great and in RE2R it gets rid of the fucking grey filter the game has (which exists solely to keep the game actually visible on IPS panels).

>>718237242
>which exists solely to keep the game actually visible on IPS panels
This is a nonsensical claim, the problem with IPS panels is that they already have raised blacks, they don't need a grey filter. Their problem isn't black crush, it's the exact opposite.

>>718236502
It's not so much that I'm saying that OLED's level of contrast doesn't look good at certain times in SDR itself, although i have seen it looking rather mediocre at plenty of times. I'm saying HDR in it's current implementation doesn't look good and any OLED on the market is not doing it favors.

Although i do think OLEDs are overhyped in some areas, their pixel response times aren't one of those factors. It's good that they match the very best TN panels in that regard and give a real incentive for ownsership in some regard, but in all other regards it's a questionable choice on how you're spending your money since their biggest selling point is fraudulent. Just like how any LED is likely fraudulent too.

>>718234307
Like I said, you’re delusional and try to make yourself feel better about your poverty

I don't know shit about hdr besides the fact xbox auto hdr on old backwards compatible games makes them look how they should instead of being pitch black.

>>718237563
If you use tools like dgvoodoo2 or dxvk you can get autoHDR to trigger for a lot of games. I was using it with GTA SA for example.

test

>play forza horizon 5 with HDR on
>get blinded by the backfire of my lambo
feels good man

>>718225247 (OP)
the one on the right doesn't look better, it just looks different. and since I can tell the difference on my sdr monitor I guess I don't need an hdr one

>>718225247 (OP)
Its a fucking meme
>your display supports HDR but cant actually display it???
>HDR works but only for video
>yes it says HDR on the box but its the bare minimum aka level 1/10
>If you want REAL HDR you gotta spend thousands
>HDR is broken
>Barely any devs actually implement it properly

>>718231014
Based and Rec709pilled

I personally don't even bother with HDR when gaming because it's so wildly inconsistent. I just play in SDR, create a LUT in Photoshop, and apply it with ReShade. Or if I don't have a good feel for what the game looks like already, I just use a color grading plugin for ReShade so I can fix it on the fly.

>>718225331
because that certification only requires 400 nits peak brightness

>have 4k oled display
>beautiful.png
>near blacks are reduced to black to compensate for compression artifacts
>near whites retain color and contrast
>turn on HDR
>it raises exposure to show detail
>it compensates by lowering brightness but increasing contrast to preserve highlights
>all blacks become green grey with "detail"
>ugly compression artifacts become bright grey blocks even in an intentionally black screen
>near whites like bright yellow lose color and become just white
>try lowering gamma to fix
>black banding around artifacts and non-existent detail still there
>mid range is now too dark
>4k feels like 1080p
>oled feels like VA

incredible technology. HDR is a joke. Back to glorious sRGB

>>718239476
>he played cyberpunk

>all blacks become green
thanks im now sold on boughting 4k oled

>>718239476
>watching low quality video in HDR

>>718239476
What is the money you have an alienware aw3225qf screen and are using dolby vision?

>>718231014
This.
plus if you look at a display for long enough your brain automatically starts to compensate for its inaccuracies. The only problem is if things get blown out completely or drowned in black.

>>718232824
>and plenty of games DO support it, and quite well
Which ones? i hope you're not talking about Cyberpunk 2077. I think we should learn to class the games that officially give the option as games that don't really count. What about Stellar Blade for example? yeah that looks like shit too.

>>718239606
I played several games both hdr supporting and old titles like directx9 games. Watched several movies including an 80gb HDR10 file of oppenheimer. I even downloaded some preconfiged ICC profiles from manufacturer and third party like rtings and reddit.
All of it was just worse. Notably the hardcoded HDR videos I watched were straight up not watchable in SDR, not that this is an issue.
>>718240081
>low quality
I dont think you understand just how compressed everything is on the internet. All streamed video content is atleast 50% smaller than the original file.
But like I said to other anon, even the best of the best quality video files are shit.
>>718240287
>dolby vision
this is just software. video format stuff. Not really related to hardware as any HDR capable screen can display it.
I have AW2725Q. Spent $1600 NZD.
I dont regret the monitor itself as its fantastic. But HDR is stupid and will remain off.

>>718240479
>two third world games
I don't need to talk to you anymore. Might as well bring up STALKER 2 or Crysis.

>>718240835
>this is just software. video format stuff. Not really related to hardware as any HDR capable screen can display it.
yes and a recent firmware update for the aw3225qf fixed a bug where using dolby vision gave everything a green tint. Your monitor has a fix for a similar issue in the latest firmware.

>>718225247 (OP)
Did they really just take colour from us for 15 years just so they could sell it?

I don't have a good HDR monitor but the only games I've played with HDR that was alright were armored core 6 and RE7 and for some reason every other REengine game I've tried HDR with has looked worse than RE7

>>718241252
no even minecraft looked green. Literally all small details in dark scenes were green tinted because that all HDR fucking does. Its a scam and a joke.

Like this youtube video I kept coming back to as a benchmark.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=716ZRDeac-s
Its simple SDR looping footage. Mostly black, and with HDR off it is black. Minimal banding around the pulsing brightness in the center of the video.
But with HDR turned on it looks for tiny details and blows them up to being bright enough to see. Huge amounts of black banding appears, a bunch of it is green tinted. And random grey compression artifacts will appear randomly on the sides.

Dont forget 99.99% of the internet is SDR. Hell most of that isnt even sRGB calibrated and will just be html RGB tagged.

>>718241137
>third world
When your game budget was as large as that game then we're past the point of pretending that Poland is India, or maybe their company been more Americanized when CDPR moved onto The Witcher 3 at the very least, they had considerably built up the studio by that point. Practically all you saw in Witcher 2 was endless polish names throughout the credits. Less so on W3, so it's a safer bet that it's a less Polish studio. You had nothing to say about Space Marine 2 either, and they're not on the crutch of Unreal Engine slop either.

>oled user is retarded
:O

HDR adds so much depth to a scene i've become a bit of an addict for it.

>>718241989
>minecraft
>hdr
Minecraft doesnt support hdr

Try an actual game like cyberpunk with a hdr lut from nexus. Set tonemapping to 1.

Most people on /v/ have no idea what hdr is or what it does or how to use it. Its funny.

They think its exclusively about brightness.

And cry when their desktop look washed out compared to sdr because they went from inaccurate oversaturated wide gamut sdr to srgb presentation for sdr content in hdr mode (accurate)

>>718239232
The Shitch Poo doesn't even reach that while cranking up the blue

>>718239476
This guy bought a chink monitor or the q27g3xmn which have a joke eotf from factory and suffer from a tint in hdr

Also no oled crushes blacks in hdr if they did it would show on the eotf.

Also you play srgb games in autohdr lmao

>>718225247 (OP)
I don't know I use it and think it looks good

Here's the list of mini-led monitors with HDR1000 support.
All released in 2025.

>>718247242
The MSI x30MV is a 300Hz monitor btw
$220 in China

still on 24 inch 1080p 75hz asus i got for 150 bucks.... wtf is HDR? sell me on it /v/, why should i care?

>>718248896
I dunno, why do you care about playing at more than 24fps?

hdr looks great in andromeda though

>>718225331
There are different certifications... the minimum required for HDR that doesn't suck ass is HDR 1000. Most retards turn it on on their garbage LED with no FALD and wonder why it sucks. HDR 400 doesn't even require local dimming

>using a cheap monitor for gaming instead of a qled HDR 55" 4k 120hz Samsung with hi refresh rate
Your loss, fag. They're not even that expense. HDR entirely depends on the settings of your PC/console, as well as your monitor or TV. All you need to do is to lookup the recommended specs for your model and it looks perfect.

>>718239476
You have a shit screen. You're not only a poorfag, but a retard that doesn't understand technology. Cheap OLEDS are worthless and will lead to easy burn in.

>>718251772
>displayHDR 1400
>still allows for 8 frames for the backlight to respond
This is why of the vesa standards trueblack is the only one that matters.

>>718244292
you stupid fuck reddit spacing fuck. HDR is on the hardware. SDR content and HDR content just provides the data to display it. But in lack of this data, your drivers will just overexpose the frame and adjust contrast and brightness to try and unfuck the image. But all thats exposed is meaningless detail in blacks, and the closest thing to near black with high saturation in HDR color space is a dark tint of green.
It looks like shit and will always be shit. No one whos ever actually given a shit about color accuracy has ever thought "I need HDR". Not a single respectable professional in the world uses HDR. And sure as shit that leaves retarded end users like you who think HDR is anything more than a buzzword to add $200 to hardware.

>>718235651
>This guy for example will tell you that the best hardware investment you could ever make is not really a faster GPU or CPU, but an OLED screen
That is a fact though. The visual clarity and perfect blacks is something that you can only get with an OLED not a $3,000 Gpu.

PS5+OLED > 5090+IPS

And you don't need HDR and there are plenty of ways to mitigate VRR flickering. For example, having a stable framerate is one way. Not to mention the flickering only happens in very specific type of lighting conditions.

But at the end way worse than VRR flickering is backlight bleed from LCD panels or the blooming caused by Local Dimming. Both of these way worse in every way than some occasional and barely visible flickering and I don't see you complaining about that. They completely change the visuals in some scenes. Local Dimming in particular is pretty bad.

>>718231014
Nope. Need Rec 2020 to cover Pointer's gamut, which is supposed to contain all naturally occurring color saturations. But even that doesn't include shit like lasers and neon lights which are plentiful in video games.

>>718255781
see >>718254241

>>718251772
HDR600 covers about 85% of HDR movie grades. Any movie that consistently goes above 800-1000+ nits and doesn't reserve it for special moments to make an impact is retarded.

You'd probably want to go even more conservative on HDR brightness when playing games because the camera isn't fixed so you could be playing a game with a 2000 nit bright sky for hours at a time.

>>718225331
You need at least 1000 nits for real HDR, most monitors dont meet this, even the expensive top end OLED monitors barely meet this.

>>718225540
>stretching an 8-bit SDR image to 1000+ nits
Wow this white paper is equally bright as the sun in this scene, I'm so immersed.
It's okay when there's no other option but there are nearly always better options available.

>>718256670
and that's why OLED is inferior to miniLED when it comes to HDR
>Explosion
Too big need to ABL
>Lights
Too big need to ABL
>Spell effects
Too big need to ABL
>Sky/sun
Too big need to ABL
>Tiny specular highlights
OMG my OLED can reach 1500 nits on this!!!11

>>718253208
8 frames is nothing... your eyes take longer than that to adjust to the lighting changes

>>718256509
see >>718256670

>>718257382
at 60 fps thats 133 ms delay
absolutely notcieable

>>718251772
This table seems wrong, I'm fairly sure DisplayHDR400 now require wide color gamut, making it "not completely useless"-tier specification, rather than "literally worthless".
WCG is the most important part of HDR for most retards, since it's the one which ensures that their sRGB content will be properly displayed rather than oversaturated (who am I kidding, most retards would put their TV on "Dynamic" settings and use motion smoothing) and the HDR content is properly displayed in most of its glory and not only the one part which is extremely finicky to benefit from completely (I don't play in a completely dark room).

>>718254241
>No one whos ever actually given a shit about color accuracy has ever thought "I need HDR". Not a single respectable professional in the world uses HDR.
Only because they use colorspace-aware software, which most games or video players are not. HDR is literally forcing correct colorspace to unaware retards who liked their 120% sRGB fucking up their picture.

>>718258193
no, it's really not. Stop talking about things you've never even used

>>718259256
imagine all effects having slowmo like its trailing behind. the light goes off in game and the back of your monitor only reacts to it like a snail 1/10th of a sec later. its insanity. features that exist only to be turned off and they call it premium shit.

>>718225247 (OP)
Games with proper HDR support look great. Maybe you need a better monitor.

>>718225849
HDR has a zero% performance impact.

>>718225558
Nice cope.

>>718248896
Dont worry about it. Its good, but no need to strain your poorfag rig on extra eye candy.

>>718260103
It does have really low performance impact if its one of the auto HDR implementations

>>718250579
coz i'm happy with 60 fps.

>>718260496
4060ti is not poorfag, it can easily run 2k shit at 120hz but i chose not to.

>hey goy...have you heard of HDR9000?
>it's the WAY MEANT TO BE PLAYED
>for only the price of 9999 dollars plus your foreskin you TOO can fit in with the cool bois

>>718237242
RE2 has one of the worst HDR implementations I've seen in a game, what are you even on about?

>>718233176
I have a very nice oled and hdr looks worse in every game no matter how it's calibrated. Sdr looks incredible whereas hdr looks washed out every time.

i still dont even know what hdr. i dont own a hdr monitor or tv either.

>>718261948
It's a higher color and brightness range.

>>718261851
~renodx~

>>718225540
>use third party bloatware
>>718225247 (OP)
I use HDR, and I agree. It really isn't that much greater. Sure the colors pop, and you get some cool little moments when there's a big or quick change in light levels, but it doesn't make all these games look less blurry, less shit or make them not UE-core slop.

HDR is easily the biggest upgrade in visual quality ever. Even the jump from CRT to LCD wasn't this big, mainly because LCD is inferior.
The only people who hate HDR are people who got duped into HDR400 LCDs with no local dimming.

>>718262567
>not playing Elden Ring at its native 640x480 on a CRT

>>718225247 (OP)
Isn't HDR is just a cheap alternative to OLED? Or more accurately, it's initial iteration?

>>718262730
no

>>718225247 (OP)
>>renoDX is a poorly documented mess and unreliable
What?
It's super easy to use.
Videogames shouldn't be for sub 100 iq my guy.
It cannot be a scam when it's superior objectively.

>>718225540
Ok I take back some of what I've said, THIS is absolutely a fucking scam. It's not true HDR, RenoDX is what you want and it works on all GPUs.

>>718262730
Uh.. no. HDR is a rendering technique and a luminance format, oled is a panel technology that may or may not support hdr because that's software first.

>>718225247 (OP)
>>plenty of games not even supported*
>>look like shit even when they do get supported*
>*on PC

>>718225247 (OP)
The red light is distracting now, looks worse.

>>718262816
yes

>>718263570
In fact most people run their OLED display in sdr because they're stupid and devs are stupid, and Windows and console OSes are stupid and have an hard time doing the proper hand shake in some cases, which leads to many retarded users turning on HDR and they wonder why the colors are all washed out, and then call it a scam. But even when everything goes well, HDR tonemapping is a complete afterthought for most game devs so it's usually badly implemented.
Windows autoHDR and Nvidia's RTX can't fix them because it's post processing and not true hdr.

All in all and to also answer OP, no it's objectively not a scam, but it might not be worth the hassle for most people.

>>718263878
so it's a scam then. a very expensive one.

I bought an OLED and love it, but barely use HDR because the implementation in most games is buggy dogshit and I have to remember to turn it on before I turn on the game every time. As well, it doesn't work with G-sync and causes weird flickering.
What a fucking mess.

>>718225247 (OP)
I can see the hdr image on my non hdr monitor. What's the point then?

>>718262816
>>718263570
Aren't they trying to achieve the same thing basically and one is vastly superior than the other. OLED providing higher dynamic range by default along with immaculate contrast, while HDR looks like a DIY joke in comparison that people give more credit than its worth. Point being, since OLED is clearly a popular success, shit like HDR might as well be obsolete whatsoever.

>>718264334
Now that cars are popular pop music is now obsolete.

>>718225247 (OP)
looks great in all the playstation exclusive games. cry because you didn't buy the best console.

>>718264478
exactly!

It depends entirely on your display.
My cheap IPS monitor has HDR but it looks worse with HDR on than off.
My OLED TV has it too and it looks great there.

>>718264071
if you're absolutely fucking retarded then yes.
>expensive
It cost nothing. If you're buying a relatively modern display it will accept and display an HDR signal. That cannot be a scam in itself, buying the shitty monitor that can display proper blacks is the actual scam here. You'd never get good picture quality out of it in either hdr or sdr.

>>718225247 (OP)
It's just filters.
Graphics haven't evolved since Crisis.

>>718225247 (OP)
HDR will become standard when it actually has a standard and doesn't cost extra.

>>718265119
It doesn't cost extra now, but like everything involving monitors, you get what you pay for. If you use a $30 Spectre monitor from Walmart, you shouldn't expect a wide gamut.

>>718264478
Just because statistical outliers exist doesn't mean there is no genders.

>>718231014
the ironic part is as tvs get more color, media gets less colorful. very odd.

>>718265457
the pursuit of realism is itself an endless folly that has functionally tried to use so much other tech, from HDR, to RTX, to DLSS, to try to compensate for the hunt

>>718264334
Yes and no
Oleds will have perfect contrast/perfect blacks even in SDR due to their nature sure, but they're still limited by the SDR luminance and color range until you actually activate HDR and you get proper HDR tonemapping out of whatever media you're watching or playing.
SDR on an oled will still only get you about 100 nits of luminance details and the regular rec709 colors.
Only with actual HDR tonemapping in rec2020 will you get higher frequency details from higher nits over 100 nit. You can blast a display to 1000 nits in SDR and that will be ofc brighter but it won't show you any additional details but in HDR it will, that's why HDR performance is measured in tiny 1% windows, people dismiss it because that sounds tiny, but that's actually what matters the most, those HDR highlight is the most obvious difference, IRL the stuff that actually blinds you for the sun is usually this tiny after all, like sun reflections on car, or the actual leds producing the lights on cars at night. Those are the things where just depicting an SDR image on an OLED won't change anything, you need the HDR signal to tell the TV to use much higher nits on those specific spots.

What I like the most about HDR is how much less "bloomy" everything looks, bloom is a dirty hack for SDR to depict high brightness in a format that cannot depict that level of light, in HDR it can be actually displayed leading to a less bloomy image overall, and the colors are just way nicer, some primary colors look ferocious with higher range of colors + higher nit brightness.

>>718265632
it's not a pursuit of realism. it's a modern trend of being bland. this pic is an example. notice how they're in a business office but the lights are not on. you see this very often in modern media.

i don't like HDR because it maxes my brightness and it fucking hurts my eyes at night

>>718266018
Turn your lights on or turn the overall brightness down. You shouldn't be jacking up the brightness on your monitor in the dark. The difference between black and full bright shouldn't be uncomfortable.

>>718265457
That part and the city on the water were great in 15

>>718266018
With a tool like RenoDX you can set the peak brightness to whatever exact value you want, you even have preset, I usually have one for night gaming.
As a bonus, you can also set the UI brightness separately, that way you won't get your souls healthbar burned into your Oled.

>>718225247 (OP)
most monitors are shittiest minimum hdr it's pointless.

>>718225540
>more NVIDIA bloatware

>>718266201
I found it
fucking hell i hate windows sometimes

>>718266651
>realize why he buys AMD
You're a cashier.

I dont even remember what non HDR looks like
Surely you arent that poor

>>718266651
Nigger it's basically the only way to use the hdr part of your $1000+ display in video gaymes.

>>718267628
Ackshually, I can't imagine AMD shit not having HDR stuff worked out.

>>718225247 (OP)
HDR on an OLED display is the most transformative visual feature for gaming since proper HD video game a thing. Sorry you're too poor to experience it and had your perception warped by your shitty """"HDR""""400 LCD monitor.

>>718265457
It's amazing how bad SDR shots look, and people still try to say HDR is pointless.
https://files.catbox.moe/kc8vsv.jxr

>>718269410
That almost makes me want to play the game. Almost.

>>718269858
That's early in the game, and as far as I got before I got bored.

>>718225247 (OP)
HDR is shit
Period

>>718232709
>performance cost as using rt reflections in cyberpunk
He didn't buyed the blackwell gpu, sad. I bet rtx vsr (automatic ai upscaling for video) is heavy on your machine too.

Injecting HDR into doom 3 when viewed on an oled screen is pretty nice I must admit.

>>718230142
If it's looking super washed out then that's an SDR display trying to do HDR. If you have an HDR capable monitor, then it's not turned on for some reason.

>>718270828
>implying doom 3 looks nice at all

>>718270879
Yes, yes it does.

>>718265973
Thanks for detailed response. I don't have much experience with HDR in reference, but from it seems to me the only viable option for existence for it is in professional work, and in high volume commercial use, games excluded. Also it seems like a hassle to implement since from what I understand you need to explicitly direct which scene have "peak brightness" and which dont, or am I misunderstanding it?. This is why games for example have to have specific HDR support in them.

Only games I've seen with good native HDR are Ori WotW and Doom Eternal.

>>718271660
Cyberpunk 2077

>>718271660
NFS Heat at night is stunning with HDR (and is one of the few games that supports dolby vision).

>>718271660
Is Eternal actually good? I opened it up when I got my HDR monitor and I remember there was no way to configure it such that it didn't have either black crush or raised blacks instead. It didn't look that good at all.

Idk, I just leave it in auto. It looks better than off in most games and the ones that look good look really good

>>718265457
>top: PS3 game made around PS3's launch
>bottom: Ps4 game made 7+ years after the ps4's launch
Many....many such cases.

>>718254878
That local dimming shit is the actual gimmick nobody should be falling for. Not until they get to 4 pixels per zone or less will it look decent.

>>718272514
>top: looks like ass and it can't be helped
>bottom: looks like ass because it's SDR

On HDR you can see every frame all at once

I wonder if the dynamic metadata aspect of HDR10+ vs regular HDR10 even matters for vidya since every rendered frame can be whatever the fuck it needs to be, unlike video.

ee curved monitors really worth it or are they a meme?

>>718225280
Naw. I used to be like that. Then I broke down and a 1440p 120MHz monitor on Prime Day. It was absolutely worth it. Going from 1080 to 1440 had me wondering why it took me to along to don it

>>718273201
Depends on the curve and size of the screen. Hidamari sketch monitors need to be curved otherwise the extreme left/right will physically be further from your eyes than the more middle parts.

>>718273371
*Why it took me so long to do it in the first place

>>718273417
I was looking at maybe a 40+ inches wide to use and get rid of my other monitors, but holy shit 4k version are expensive

>>718273371
People don't go back to lower res.
People don't go back to non-OLED.
These are simple facts.

>>718235651
>posting this photo
its you
its the same fucking guy
what the fuck broke your brain so hard that you actually still go into every OLED thread to schizopost like this

>>718273201
I have a 55" monitor, and it'd be unusable without the curve (1000R). The curve keeps stuff at the edges in my line of sight. Your brain automatically corrects the distortion. If you use one, and then take a picture of the same image, you'd be surprised at what you don't notice normally.

>>718273848
We have a number of these guys now on /v/

>>718273983
How's the emersion with gaming?

>>718225247 (OP)
Idk why but hdr always looks washed out and shit when I use it on my pc. It worked fine when I had it on PS4 so it's not my tv

>>718274107
I like it. For 99.9999% of games, it works well, though I have a feature that allows me to shrink my screen down to a window that I use in Bejeweled 3 because it's easier to see everything on a 27" diagonal area.
>>718274147
>Windows 10
You need to use the HDR Calibrator: https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9N7F2SM5D1LR
>Windows 11
The gamma is fucked up.
https://github.com/dylanraga/win11hdr-srgb-to-gamma2.2-icm
(you might have to make your own, but it's not that much work)

>>718266000
nta but I genuinely dislike the color grading and filmography of modern films especially smaller budget films.

>>718254878
>PS5+OLED > 5090+IPS
Of course it's mainly the console shills that were behind the OLED push on /v/. Because it's just movie watcher fags that think it looks good and don't care how it looks in gaming. They don't see how OLEDs in motion with something like gsync looks terrible in darker scenarios if any framerate fluctuation occurs. No, LED blooming doesn't look worse and i will stand by that even though i dislike it. I'd rather deal with a greyed black but more uniform IPS screen (or if using an IPS LED just variable blacklight clamping) than have to deal with a flickering OLED. Because the difference between a halo and the flicker is so drastically different that i don't think it can it can be argued in good faith that flicker isn't more sensitive to the human eye.

>>718267869
>by your shitty """"HDR""""400 LCD monitor.
No i used a QD-OLED that shares the same samsung panel in most of the mid to high range ones. It's just a crap gimmick. And likely a broken/abandoned gimmick in most cases.

>>718271706
>Cyberpunk 2077
That game's HDR looks like shit.

>>718276134
Only if you tune it wrong.

>>718276157
I just tuned my cock to some Gal Gun 2. Shit was CASH.

Andromeda looks like shit anyways

lol just play at 4K u poor gyps all u need is litereally a decent grafic card like 5080 or 5070ti-ts

>>718276134
IIRC it had raised blacks but other than that looked quite good.

I'm glad we got upscaling to help with FPS. It's so funny to me how blind tests show the vast majority of retards can't tell the difference between native and upscaled, yet come to /v/ to complain about upscaling. Makes it hard to take /v/ serious about anything

>>718278413
We've had it for a long time and it was used in console games extensively, just not on PC because it looked awful. It's only around DLSS2 that it started looking good enough to the point where one might actually consider using it.

Increasing the saturation with third party tools like reshade is better looking.

Really bad colors are substitute for a shit monitor that's not oled or 110% SRGB.

>>718225247 (OP)
>game is just brighter
?

>>718270852
>If it's looking super washed out then that's an SDR display trying to do HDR
How you're seeing that screenshot in SDR is exactly how it looked in HDR from my end (i switched on windows HDR too, because it wasn't automatically activating, except it made no difference anyway). I noticed this switching between them, that's why i wanted to post the results. The reshade plugin RenoDX which everyone always recommends is just broken with that game at least. It literally just causes the whole game to go greyish and washed out. That's the best i could describe it and no amount of calibration on the windows app will change that messed up result.

>>718279428
You cannot display what HDR actually looks like to somebody using some SDR screen and through some SDR image. You actually cannot, the SDR screen is not capable of showing it.

>>718225247 (OP)
HDR is literally just so you can see more detail in the dark and in the light

>>718281528
It's also so you can see darker dark bits and brighter bright bits, plus more color if the game takes advantage of it.

>>718239000
Fuck, I wish I had my 5070ti before I played Elden Ring. Would've added so much more to my immersion. Had to play it in fucking 720p on my 1060.

>>718274315
>The gamma is fucked up.
Pretty sure if you apply a color profile you end up fucking up the games which have their own native HDR and don't use whatever Windows does by default. I just ended up using 2 different HDR profiles on my monitor, on the one for AutoHDR shit I lowered the "Black Stabilizer" setting a few notches and it fixes the low contrast, washed out look quite well indeed. It's probably not technically correct but it looks nice, doesn't crush blacks and switching between profiles is easy.

>>718276065
oh, so you're just a retard. thanks for clarifying.

>>718267628
The issue i have with RTX HDR is that it lowers your framerate. I'm not lowering my FPS for HDR. That's unacceptable and should not have the kind of performance cost that it does. That's when you really start getting in gimmick territory if you expect people want to have a lower framerate over it.

>>718286932
It needs to do whatever processing so I guess some performance impact is inevitable. I think it's useful for games which run well anyway, ultimately you trade some performance for a better image, a tale as old as time. I don't run all my shit at lowest settings 640x480 for max FPS either.

>>718229269
Works on my machine
But in all seriousness, RenoDX IS producing an HDR-encoded image, but somewhere along the way to your monitor, it gets misinterpreted as an SDR image. Suddenly, the 0.00 to 1.00 signal range that represents an image with a Rec.2020 color space and a PQ luminosity curve where 1.00 is 10,000 nits is being read as an image with an SDR color space, a 2.2 power law curve, and a max brightness equal to the set (SDR) brightness of your monitor.
I don't know anything about RenoDX or what it does to games, but if ever there is a solution to your problem, it will be telling Windows "hey, whatever you think this image signal is, it's actually Rec2100-PQ".

>>718287163
I would say that it's biggest advantage is that it's not poorly explained and probably more straight forward than RenoDX is, too much tinkering and nonsensical instructions with that one. I still couldn't figure it out for Wukong, so maybe I'll give Nvidia's bloatware a shot. How much is the average performance cost? i just know people complain about the impact or have shown videos on the impact in certain games.

>>718289828
>>718229269
I should mention that the image you uploaded to 4chan, whatever it may have been, is an SDR-encoded image when 4chan's CDN serves it to me, due to conversion and all that.
I'm simply telling Blender it's a Rec2100PQ image.
It's all just data in the end, you're just telling the monitor what kind of data it is.

>>718281528
>>718282334
>more detail in the dark
Incorrect. SDR is perfectly capable of displaying darker shades.
>more detail in the brighter areas
This is HDR's true benefit, as many games tonemap to the comparatively limited range of SDR white, when so much of the raw image exceeds that.

>>718290220
>Incorrect. SDR is perfectly capable of displaying darker shades.
The point is detail anon, not how black it is

>>718290292
Yes. And SDR is just as capable of rendering that detail as HDR is.
The ONLY reason why shadows would look "better" in HDR is either because you can have better exposure due to the extra brightness headroom, or because the actual colorgrade is different. HDR is NOT a color postprocess effect.

>>718244469
then it's probably not certified? lol

>>718289828
>Works on my machine
I mean the idea is drop renodx-bmw.addon64 into this folder right in pic rel. Open up Reshade and use the b1-win64-shipping.exe as the base installation local for reshade (which means it's going here), skip any other add ons since they're not important and then it's supposed to be done. So this folder will change and then show all of the reshade associated files in it after you do that, including me manually putting in the addon. It's supposed to 'just work' but all it does is create a greyed out image, and on top of that forces a shader compilation to happen every time you start the game, when that's only ever supposed to be done once. So this reshade add on is doing weird shit to unreal engine on top of that. Aside from just not working.

I love playing HDR games on my 83" S95F.

>>718290486
>The ONLY reason why shadows would look "better"
I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying
Details as in HDR prevents crushing blacks

>>718244292
>Minecraft doesnt support hdr

>Try an actual game like cyberpunk

>>718225331
Nothing about the switch packaging says that the actual screen supports HDR. Unless you correct me.

>Got a HDR monitor
>Use HDR
>It looks like shit
I got scammed.

>>718225247 (OP)
HDR with HGIG it's spectacular.
You just need to set the HDR settings correctly according to the nits of your monitor, TV.

>>718290540
On top of that the guide mentions UE CVARs or the mod won't work. Yet it doesn't even say where to find that.

How do people find this shit intelligible?

I think i hate the consolefags more for talking about how supposedly great HDR is. Because unlike with PC, there's no way to even correct all of the botched implementations of it.

I'm saying that because i notice tons of PS5 games looking like absolute garbage. And in most instances even RTX HDR doesn't look that terrible.

>>718233261
>brightness kept going up and down, or more to the point slowly getting brighter before jumping back to the dimmest point
if your mom had a smart tv it probably just needed an update. I've had this happen with a new tv and a ps5 since i dont let the tv connect to the network and am always behind on updates.

>>718290642
>I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying
As someone who knows what HDR actually is and even makes and masters in HDR, no, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
If you're crushing blacks in SDR it's because your grade is shit. If you DO have crushed black, turning on HDR will not magically fix them. Crushed blacks is an issue within the color workflow pipeline that occurs BEFORE you tonemap to display space (aka either HDR or SDR).

>>718233261
Your mom's TV is likely "HDR compatible" in that it contains one (1) variable dimming zone, which it brightens for bright content, and darkens for dark content. It's essentially less than useless and you'd be better served turning it off.

>>718290486
You're technically correct, but you’re ignoring the actual lived experience most people have with SDR monitors. Yeah, in a lab SDR can show those shadow details-if the signal wasn’t crushed to shit going through bad tone mapping, terrible gamma curves, or lazy dev implementations. HDR’s value isn’t in theoretical color accuracy, it’s in how it standardizes and expands dynamic range across capable displays. Saying SDR "can" do it doesn’t mean it "is" doing it in most cases. HDR gives you room to not nuke the blacks just to preserve highlight detail. That’s why it feels like it's showing more shadow detail-not because it’s faking anything, but because the whole chain treats the image differently.

>>718291643
So HDR doesn't affect colour in dark images
Good to know

>>718272514
It's a PS2 game retard-anon

>>718291351
>there's no way to even correct
There is

>>718289846
I've only actually used it and gotten it to work properly in 1 game and it wasn't something super demanding so I don't really know what the perf hit is usually. In some games it just doesn't work, mostly in borderless fullscreen games it seems and it just won't turn on, so it's kind of limited utility. AutoHDR works in everything I've tried but it's not adjustable and by default it raises blacks and makes the image look washed out.

I don't have Wukong and never tried it, no idea what RenoDX does with it. I can say that RenoDX however, if working properly, should provide a much better image than any "SDR to HDR" converter thing, because RenoDX actually hooks into the game and makes it render HDR "natively" rather than just taking SDR and "intelligently" mapping it to HDR. This can mean RenoDX will reveal more detail that's clipped in SDR (and converters cannot recover because it's destroyed) and it's also usually smart enough to differentiate the HUD from the game itself, so it won't blast the HUD at huge brightness like RTX HDR does. I have also had weird issues with it though, for instance in Granblue Fantasy Relink it looks great but it fucks up texture loading, like some textures on some objects just don't load. In Darktide on the other hand it looks great and works great with no issues, other than some 1st run stutters which I'm sure must be some shader caching or something. Maybe it's completely broken for Wukong, no idea, but if you can get it to work it will give you the best image.

>>718290220
>SDR is perfectly capable of displaying darker shades
It's "perfectly capable" of displaying FEWER dark shades since it's lower bit depth and this is going to be most noticeable in scenes with low dynamic range because by their very nature they only use a small portion of the shades available. Dark scenes are exactly like that so higher bit depth can certainly lead to more detail being available and potentially fewer issues like banding appearing.

>>718291796
>HDR gives you room to not nuke the blacks just to preserve highlight detail.
Yes, I alluded to that fact in previous posts. "HDR gives you the headroom" etc
But that doesn't change the fact that it's a grading issue, not really an issue with the capabilities of the display.
>but because the whole chain treats the image differently.
It really doesn't.
The difference between HDR and SDR really only matters at the end, when you take your raw, scene-referred data and squeeze it into whatever display format you choose.
Consequently, it's the reason why native HDR implementations in games have basically zero performance cost -- they're taking the same scene data, and just squeezing it into a different format that preserves highlights better.
In fact, for both the HDR and SDR outputs of my work, I tend to use the exact same color grading. Now, that said, this practice could very well be unique to me, and I've already mentioned that it's entirely possible that other projects may use separate grades.

>>718225247 (OP)
>>renoDX is a poorly documented mess and unreliable
You're retarded and this is just a faggot bait thread. Kill yourself.

>>718254241
How are you so dumb? Youre the one using hdr on sdr content.

Its funny how the complainers all have one thing in common

Theyre trying to use hdr for sdr content

And they bought a display with defects or poor EOTF tracking

>>718293326
Just say they are PC gaymer

>>718292690
>I don't have Wukong and never tried it, no idea what RenoDX does with it. I can say that RenoDX however, if working properly, should provide a much better image than any "SDR to HDR" converter thing, because RenoDX actually hooks into the game and makes it render HDR "natively"
Well it 100% doesn't work with Wukong. I even tried the .ini engine settings changes and got the game to launch with said changes, still nothing.

It doesn't do detail, it washed out all the color completely and it made the game look worse than SDR. But maybe that's because i don't have the supposed UE CVARs or whatever the fuck the guide never explained. This technology that is being sold to people (via needing to upgrade screens to 'properly' experience it from and aggressive marketer shenanigans on /v/) despite needing to be fixed/corrected in almost all instances has no actual standards and therefore it's not a serious technology in the gaming space, maybe this is for movie watchers it has a proper value, but it can't be taken seriously for gaming if this is the attitude towards it. As in being in some state where modders have to create convoluted solutions to everything and duct tape everything together and hope it doesn't break apart at a moments notice. Especially if you even admit that RTX HDR is flawed. Therefore its left to irrelevant tinker realm.

>>718293994
I've got a console and i don't like how it looks there either. But consolefags championing it is about what i would expect. PS5 pros just auto turn on HDR by default on fucking everything, even SDR content. So they're probably blind to how bad it all looks at this stage.

>>718291985
It shouldn't. It depends on whether the developer is using a different grade for the HDR version, and it also depends on whether or not your HDR implementation is good.
For instance, on Windows, the dark region of SDR content is inexplicably brighter than if you just turn off HDR. I can play dark games like Phasmophobia essentially without using the flashlight at all, even for darker maps like Sunny Meadows. Windows uses an incorrect piecewise gamma curve which botches incoming SDR content.
Meanwhile, in KDR Plasma, the HDR implementation is so good, SDR content looks identical regardless of whether HDR or SDR is off. It means I can't cheat in games like Phasmophobia and run around the maps without a flashlight anymore.

>>718292690
>It's "perfectly capable" of displaying FEWER dark shades
Technically true, though I've never noticed banding, even with my monitor at a relatively high 200-250 nits of SDR. But more detail certainly doesn't hurt, especially for such a low cost.

>>718254241
>But in lack of this data, your drivers will just overexpose the frame and adjust contrast and brightness to try and unfuck the image.
It truly amazes me how people can so confidently spew such nonsensical schizobabble.

>>718293193
>You're retarded and this is just a faggot bait thread
If i was retarded you would have been able to tell me what i did wrong when i gave example. Some anon was convinced that because i didn't change some lines in the engines .ini file that i was at fault, which was not the case.

>>718294989
Enable HGIG, calibrate from the console, increase the brightness, disable automatic HDR, done.

>>718271706
that's one of the worst ones you retarded fuck. another good one is gears 5.

>>718262992
>It's super easy to use.
Okay explain why the instructions for Black Myth Wukong don't work if RenoDX was so easy to use. Look at how my image was butchered and explain what the hell is going on there.>>718229269
No it's not a case of how HDR doesn't translate well over. For some reason the whole image is washed out and it looked the same on my screen, i can't even get it to officially trigger into HDR mode either to begin with without just using the windows shortcut, not that it would matter when the image looks like that, where something has gone horribly wrong. Even changing the engine.ini to include lines about getting the game to run in HDR properly doesn't work. See pic rel as what is supposed to do that.

Why am i going through these hoops in the first place? why is it the case with so many games that RenoDX is the only thing you can do to get them to adopt the standard? unless you want to lose like 6 frames or more with RTX HDR that is.

>>718300309
just use auto hdr

HDR is a meme in the same way 8bit colour is a meme.

>>718300309
>not that it would matter when the image looks like that
Don't worry about what the image looks like, right now. I'll tell you right now that that image is "correct", but it's being misinterpreted as an "SDR" image, rather than an "HDR" image.
You need to figure out how to enable HDR output first, then I would wager everything else will fall into place.

>>718300420
Do you mean the actual setting in windows auto HDR or the reshade one? i don't have experience with the reshade.

Since I'm fairly sure the windows one is sort of lack luster. I'd probably rather just view it in SDR at that stage.

I liked the HDR in stalker 2.

I love /v/ shills, but oled tv, buy this expensive mouse, buy another ssd, buy this ai light tracing graphic card™, buy this shit game, buy some shit HDR monitor, buy this dolby ba... No, i will not.

>>718302372
Based phone poster.

>>718225346
But that would involve effort and actual learning.

>>718301239
>You need to figure out how to enable HDR output firs
The engine just won't allow for it and those .INI specifications are the only lines that can supposedly tell the game engine to turn on HDR. I think the people who make these mods don't account for when a game gets a patch or update, potentially breaking whatever worked previously.

I thought HDR was a meme until I got a QD-OLED monitor (1000 nits), man those neon lights and effects pop life a motherfucker, it's worth it.

There is no practical use for going beyond srgb.

>>718225247 (OP)
It's all marketing, just like having 10.000 DPI on the mouse, or the Mpx of your phone camera.

>>718229269
So, again, I'll say that RenoDX is outputting the "correct" image. But it's outputting an image in "HDR" format (or, if you want to be specific, a Rec2100PQ image). But somewhere along the way, Windows is receiving this data, but it thinks it's only sRGB.

This is what happens when I take the image file you posted, tell Blender it's a Rec2100 image, then tell it to output to sRGB. Looks a lot more normal. Not perfect, since the "source" image was only 8 bits, but it looks a lot more like you would expect. And on my side, I even get some highlights on the rocks and the fire.

In a game with proper implementation, you'd get something far more like what I posted. However, if you intercepted the signal, and pasted it into a program that just assumes everything is sRGB, the image you posted is what you would get. So what's happening is that RenoDX is "forming" an HDR image, but the game is not properly signalling that it's an HDR image when it sends it to the Windows compositor. So Windows just assumes it's an SDR image. Even if you have HDR enabled and Windows is sending HDR signal to the monitor.
It's like if you're trying to measure a long object with a yardstick, and you say it's "60% of a yardstick", but the game forgets the "of a yardstick" part and Windows just assumes you're talking about a footruler, so converts your measurement incorrectly to be "60% of a footruler". But since the monitor is expecting everything in HDR, it converts the incorrect conversion into yardsticks again and now you get "20% of a yardstick" being displayed to you.

>>718304081
Peak 1000 modes on monitors is a meme.

>>718233473
tone down the vibrance idiot

>>718233473
based

Where is this area exactly? Ive been using renodx for a while now and I can go take a pic in the same place if you want to see if there is a big difference or not

>>718225247 (OP)
Holy shit my non HDR monitor can see all the colors on the right. Did I beat the game?

3D is a scam. I can't see the difference between Black Myth Wukong and Donkey Kong Jr.

>>718307635
3DPD

I still use a fullhd plasma lol

>>718225247 (OP)
left looks better. a major problem in gaming today is the over usage of bright colors and reflective surfaces.

its no wonder pre 2010 games had the best art direction and best color usage.

>>718307523
>Where is this area exactly
Right before you get the bug power up for scouting areas. Very early game. This is how it looks in SDR

>>718309117
>image flat like loli

I feel like HDR and OLED are like 144hz. Once you've gamed with 144hz going down to 60 feels so dogshit. Once you've had nice HDR or an OLED display going back to SDR and LCD feels disgusting

>>718310103
>I feel like HDR and OLED are like 144hz
Pure memery?

>>718225247 (OP)

HDR is nothing but a reshade preset.

>>718295008
>though I've never noticed banding
Really? You've never looked at a night sky in a game and seen banding, or at an overcast sky in shades of gray? I've seen it multiple times over the years, it's a typical example of where banding can happen.

>>718307557
Yeah anon, you won the #1 retard prize.

For the sort of brightness ranges displays that mere mortals can buy does 12 bit matter vs 10 bit? Assuming DCI-P3 coverage.

>>718309117
I completely forgot the bug was even a part of the game

>>718312168
You know, now that I'm going back and checking things out, I do notice it on some things, but other things, it doesn't exist. Maybe a lot of the games I played used dithering to mask it?
But yeah, now that I'm noticing it, it's hard to unsee.

>>718309117
Had to take a smaller pic, and damn the windows fucking assblasts the brightness. But there is definitely a difference for me when using HDR. Probably cant see it all too well on the pic.

>>718312452
There's no 12-bit content for the average person. That's professional range stuff for artists.

>>718313368
Yeah it isn't visible in every game or anything, but it's certainly there in some.

>>718313372
So if you're using renodx, how did you get it to work? Because the process seemed pretty straight forward on the instructions of installing it. install reshade with addons, then to the games executable location eg:
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\BlackMythWukong\b1\Binaries\Win64
Whilst placing the renodx-bmw.addon64 in that same location of where reshade went.

So what exactly is going on here? people continually explain that windows is interpreting it as an SDR image instead of HDR. The specifications in the engine.ini like: r.AllowHDR=1 is not causing any changes. Nor is the official mod add on file doing anything but causing everything to be washed out. People in this thread continually keep saying that it's on the Windows end as to what causes it to come out as an SDR image. So what did you change in windows to get the game to not wash everything out? how did you get the game to detect in your monitors firmware that it's really a HDR signal? and so on.

I really wish HDR marketing was less stupid.

>>718314832
I dont know what to tell you honestly. I installed reshade, copied renodx in and that was it. In game i just had to turn on HDR through the reshade menu and it all just worked. I didnt touch the engine.ini at all because renodx changes it automatically.

>>718317406
nta but here is a curveball thought: is turning on HDR going over the bandwidth of the display connection leading to the borked image?

>>718271337
Np and yeah but if some github and >discord fags can implement proper HDR in a day or 2 after a game releases, the actual gamedev can do the same. It's really not actually difficult, the shaders that need to output max brightness is very obvious and then the rest is just tonemapping, it's very easy, if anything it's harder for the RenoDX guys since they have to search for certain shaders manually, and they still fix HDR in a few days.

>>718317406
Pic rel has never been a useful reply under any circumstances or in any scenario. Nor is pretending that the solution is 'idiot proof' as many have insisted in this thread, and told me that to claim such a thing is bait. It's not user friendly, if it were then video instructions would exist for this specific game.

>>718307635
kek

>>718300309
>whole image is washed out
typically it means the monitor isn't in HDR mode or isn't detecting it. Usually you need to activate hdr in windows first.
RenoDX should tell you the proper settings, usually they recommend turning ingame HDR options off.

I don't care about Wukong but I got Wuchang's renoDX hdr mode and it works perfectly.

>>718304395
That's so wrong and you're being a cuck for buying 2000 nit wide gamut monitors only to run them in SDR, you're paying for capabilities you're not even using.

>>718318678
>buying 2000 nit wide gamut monitors
Except i'm not as I don't fall for obvious scams.

>>718318678
>dude, just stretch your colors lmao

>>718318860
Sorry but you did get super scammed buying the shitty monitor you're using right now.

>>718319074
Not how it works but yeah sure.

>>718319298
>Sorry but you did get super scammed buying the shitty monitor you're using right now.
Shitty things are SOVLFUL. Sorry you have soulless trash that's high quality.

>300+ posts of idiots who think they can understand what HDR is by looking at their SDR screens

every day with this shit

>>718321272
Calm down tim, nobody is listening to your shilling.

>>718321272
It's one guy making these threads (as well as the "There's a mirror in an old game without RTX!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please support my FX5300 again!"

>>718321489
>HDR troglodyte also supports RTX
like clockwork

>>718321072
Unless you're have a CRT or plasma you're just massively coping.

>>718323101
So many retards on /v/ can't read dripping sarcasm. Autism wasn't this common when I was a kid. What happened to you zoom zooms?

>>718322609
Ludite faggot think xir matter. Why are you assuming this anyway?
RTX sucks, RTX HDR sucks, but HDR just doesn't, it's actually a genuine objective improvement, cope.

>>718322609
It's like calling a guy who won't have sex with men a faggot.

>>718323167
>I was pretending to be retarded

>>718323245
Kek

>>718323281
>literally said "shitty things are soulful"
>obvious mockery of people who are like "This game crashed 3 times today. SOVL!!!!!!"
>you're THAT retarded that you doubled down after being called on it