Thread 718226034

>dead on arrival
What went wrong? Same shit happened with the first game.

>>718226034 (OP)
ai soinium files is simply doomed to be a bargain bin game
nobody thinks
>I HAVE TO play it
most fans thinks
>oh its on a discount and the previous one was decent

>>718226298
>nobody thinks
>>I HAVE TO play it
What determines if people will think that?

I finished it the other day, story was meh but it was nice having escape rooms again, the puzzles were kind of braindead but they're still way better than fucking somniums

>>718226034 (OP)
nirvanA Initiative killed any enthusiasm I had for the series.

The second game is what went wrong

I'm waiting for a sale
I enjoyed the other 2 games, but absolutely hate the fact that they didn't let Kaname stay in his real body. I understand why they did it

>>718229425
Age makes little difference in these games anyway. Both Hitomi and Boss are in their mid-40s but look a decade younger. Likewise Date is fit for his age.

>>718226298
Yeah that’s the core problem-it's not a “day one” game, it’s a “maybe one day” game. They market it to VN fans but offer mid writing and even more mid gameplay. Unless it drops a killer twist that everyone’s talking about, it just fades into backlog hell.

>>718226034 (OP)
I liked it well enough as a filler spin-off. I wish it was AI3 though like was planned initially

>>718226034 (OP)
Nobody cares anymore because everyone realized by now that Uchi and Kodaka are hacks

>>718226034 (OP)
Don't worry, they said the series sells well at discounted prices and that seems to be enough to let them keep making it.

>>718226034 (OP)
>What went wrong?
The trans stunning and brave parts got out from his last game and now no one wants it.

>>718226034 (OP)
It is a spin-off of an already niche series where it didn't really add much to it and even the game knows it. At most you got some extra details about pewter and how he got out of jail time after what happend in the first game and a few other small things.
So unless you wanted to see more character interactions (which also feel muted compared to the first game) or do the puzzles then there is no incentive to bother with it at the full price.

>>718226034 (OP)
Short and a spin off.
The plot is palatable, but clearly they just bundled crap together.

But, I did like the puzzles. Next game should just return to puzzles if they can't be fucked with the narrative. I still think 999 is their best shit and the Zero series games are still good because of their puzzles.

I wanted to discuss the game on /v/ but I can understand why it didn't get much buzz.
The escape rooms are pretty good but the story kind of fizzles out. Its not bad but kind of safe

>>718226034 (OP)
I'm not paying 40 dollars for this when I paid 10 dollars for the other games.

>>718231780
It seemed pretty good until it becomes obvious they simply gave up on the game... sigh.
You can just tell because Akemi's character becomes a complete mess in the 2nd half and she feels completely unfinished.

She shouldn't have been just an AI version of a comatosed character, she should have gained sentience and become more monstrous than she did. There's one moment where I thought she would just straight up admit she no longer cared about Hina or the person she was copied from and that she would start to think more like a maniacal omniscient machine like SHODAN... but that never happens and she just becomes another lobotomised AI like Aiba and Tama. I wish they completely dehumanised her character.

The reuse of assets.. was kinda lame. The puzzles were genuinely fun though. A lot more fair than Zero-escape's. Only one puzzle (the fridge) I had issues with and it was because I put in the wrong thing by accident. Normally the puzzles are far too obtuse to understand. These ones are hard, but the clues are there and it feels more like you failed the puzzle when you didn't get them rather than the game just being an asshole with tangential problem solving (VLR was the worst with this).

>>718235095
Any game that isn't chinese owned gets spammed with negative comments that make zero fucking sense nowadays. Like not even constructive comments because the poster clearly never played the game.

>>718236987
yea sometimes /v/ just feels like /vg/ goers coming here to take a vacation from their general

>>718226778
>the puzzles were kind of braindead
Honestly a lot better than VLR/ZTD's at times.
I thought they were well done because they had narrative motifs and callbacks too. VLR/ZTD's tend to be more liminal but also nonsensical with problem solving.

It's really, really bad, and too expensive for what it is.

>>718235095
The story isn't really there ay, it just becomes "oh we were all in on Kaname being the guinea pig" and doesn't really go further with Akemi that much. Akemi is a missed opportunity they clearly pulled the plug on ideas wise. You can kinda feel where she's going until the Distortional Knighthood Somnium where she just becomes a toddler in a tantrum almost.

>Hina is 29
How

>>718237238
It's not bad, it just doesn't feel finished. That's what everyone says, it feels incomplete.
And for that price, not worth it.

Clearly 100 Line occupied their time.

>>718237530
How is Ota 24?

Then again, a 29 year old probably wouldn't come close to getting Hina's professional position nowadays.

40 bucks for an 11 hour game is way too much. Feels pretty bad that the last game we might get of this franchise is essentially filler. The only good things to come out of it are Akemi and Iris's coomer outfit.

>>718226034 (OP)
>What went wrong?
ZTD. I wish nothing but ruin for Uchi.

>>718226034 (OP)
I wanted to play it but then someone post trannyshit

>>718226034 (OP)
Uchikoshi slop is the type of game you play once, and drop 60% of the way through after realizing it's garbage, Then a couple years later you forget all about it since it was so forgettable.

A few years later after you've memory holed it, you try another game by him on a whim.
You proceed to get 60% of the way through then realize it's the same garbage tropes and twists he put into his previous game, which you just remembered by association. So you drop the Uchikoshi slop yet again, repeat ad infinitum.

100 Line was back in April, Uchikoshi's fanbase of retards are still in the "fuck that last game was garbage" phase, and haven't forgotten it yet.
They aren't going to buy a new title from him until his unmemorable garbage is forgotten in a couple years.
They thought since 100L had Kodaka's involvement it would be less shit this time, alas the Uchikoshi taint was too strong.

>>718238091
What was wrong with ZTD?
I mean, it does get silly, but it has moments.

At least it's a full game.
And at least it feels like a real escape room game with the violence... until it stops feeling that way because of what it does fucking lol.

>>718226034 (OP)
Is it good?
It looks uninteresting generic anime slop.

Are we hyped for the next Uchikoshi/Kodaka slop?

>>718237238
Man, I still haven't finished 100L. I got so burned out on it. Some of those routes are so tedious and didn't do anything to contribute to solving the overall mystery, it's really tough to stay motivated without the occasional crumb to keep you going.

>>718238163
100L was mainly Kodaka, Uchi was just involved with the split timelines because that's his thing.
Which is why 100L is almost as bad as Danganronpa 1, which I also dropped.

I haven't dropped a single Uchi game yet. AI2 was the closest when it started to do some bullshit. This game never got long enough to have that problem and had some neat puzzles.

100 Line though, well when I realised that the split timelines were going to be ASS to fine (because of the battles never getting any new mechanics and the weak endings), never got past much more than the first playthrough (because fuck that).

>>718226034 (OP)
I dunno, I really enjoyed it for what it was and the escape room puzzles were really fun.

>>718238332
It's Nakazawa/Kodaka slop actually.
Personally I thought Root Double was dogshit so I'm not too hyped, he's a hack just like Uchikoshi and Remember11 was a fluke.

>>718238491
uchi didn't write 99 routes
he wrote like a handful of them, it was all spread across various guest writers. The problem is core to the game itself, where every aspect of the game is agressively tedious and not streamlined like a regular VN

>>718238523
I just wish there was more puzzles, the more ridiculous the better. They arguably saved this game for me, but there weren't enough. They should also have something more akin to Ace Attorney's investigations with collecting facts/objects in the "overworld" to apply them for certain puzzles. That way the overworld shit doesn't just feel like a mere VN with the same old jokes again and again (which they did to absurdity this time and actually felt kinda shit for once - I'm shocked that his shitty jokes would actually feel too repetitive for once, I thought I could take it kek).

Honestly I think Spike Chunsoft needs to die, imagine your business being VN with puzzles and being bithe unable to write a compelling story and unable to design good puzzles.

>>718236987
take your meds

>>718238737
All of their famous writers like Uchi and Kodaka left for Tookyo Games and all of the old sound novel staff like Jiro Ishii are long gone too, there are straight up no decent scenario writers there anymore that could write a good VN story.

>>718237238
Swap Gnosia with V3 you faglord

>>718238615
>he wrote like a handful of them,
I don't think he did that much writing, I think he just made sure the timelines worked with the game (probably code wise too).

>The problem is core to the game itself, where every aspect of the game is agressively tedious and not streamlined like a regular VN
But the streamlining became a problem for me. Not the lack of. You have no real complex strats to choose from in the RTS battles and the overworld exploration is just rolling dice/snakes and ladders and kinda blah.

When I think of multiple ending games that were done half well (because I don't think a single one has been done 100% well at all) I think of Fallout NV and things like that. You have all sorts of bullshit you can do to produce endings rather than just mere branched flags with dialogue choices. Things like killing enemies on the battlefield, not keeping your HP up enough for a character, ignoring a character too much for too long, being mean to them, using certain moves too many times or not enough, not finding a character's diary in a specific area, shooting too many seagulls on the shell platform, committing to the genocide of all demons, not committing to the genocide of all demons, failing to fill in your tax form on time, too high cholesterol, shit like that.

>>718238523
I found them too easy and also not as good as somniums. Somniums actually help flesh out the characters and narrative and are integral to the plot. The escape rooms, while fun, were basically just busiwork intermissions to stretch out the play time.

>>718238848
Tiananmen square, etc.

>>718239165
>The escape rooms, while fun, were basically just busiwork intermissions to stretch out the play time.
Not really, if you looked carefully enough, there were psychological motifs and hints in the puzzles all throughout it. You just didn't notice them the first time. They almost felt like a more vague somnium to me at times.

>Tiananmen mentioned
>thread dies

>>718239360
I also like the creativity that AI2 had in some of the puzzles, like the pokemon one

Do they bring up Date not looking or sounding like himself at all or are we not even caring anymore

Also too much HL dislike here it was awesome. Only have 20 something endings in the game and very satisfied

>>718239681
I forgot how terrible that one was.

>>718239701
>Do they bring up Date not looking or sounding like himself at all or are we not even caring anymore
In the English version?
Didn't know because I played it in Japanese.

>>718239823
Any version? They have that excuse at the beginning of nirvana if you got the spoiler questions right at the start where he says he’s wearing a mask so was curious if they say anything about it again

God I hate that and how they fucked up all Date’s character development and personality just to have him go back to wacky cute blonde guy. He shouldn’t even be that overly horny anymore he’s not in the body that needs the chemicals anymore

>>718239701
Nope. Which was wierd to me because they took the little time of this game to explain Pewter's character a little more and why he did the things in AI1 but just no followup on not keeping his original apperance. I guess the explanation in AI2 was said once and they didn't wanna repeat it

>>718240104
Uchi kinda fucked himself with the first game's major twist, since the only way to make sequels without spoiling it is to pretend it doesn't exist. He clearly didn't expect for it to become a franchise.

Porn where?

>>718226034 (OP)
Unironically being a game key card

>>718240837
It really shouldn’t have been. Ending it as a one and done where you can look forward to a future of Date being back to him real self and being a dad to both Iris and Mizuki, instead we got a sequel that shit all over it and makes me dislike the series more and more every time I see not Date’s fucking face

>>718240837
He could have just made the series a full on anthology. ABIS has around/at least 6 agents according to the first game in the Japan branch, and each game could have starred a different agent.

>>718235095
Maybe because there's no murder mystery to solve? No branching routes either.

>even if you answer the spoiler question correctly they don’t tell you why Date looks/sounds like that
Seems kind of important if someone is coming off the first game, even if it’s technically the third one

Also Akemi should record all of it.

>>718242021
Akemi a cute! CUTE!

>>718226298
>the previous one was decent
I don't think this. AI sucks ass. Uchikoshi is washed as fuck.

>>718244382
the reptillian..

>>718237238
Root double doko?

>>718239701
>Do they bring up Date not looking or sounding like himself at all or are we not even caring anymore
Damn, I would have loved if the purpose of this whole game was to retcon that plot point, because the current explanation was and still is dumb as hell

>>718239701
they also had the little spoiler quiz at the beginning but it seems to be completely pointless, the game avoids the topic completely

>>718244860
I totally thought Akemi was going to be that form of AI that is mind fucking with everyone subliminally to the point where they were becoming her play thing and then not even caring about the person she was copied from or Hina because her "body" simply isn't human and became Sakura's personality imprinted onto a much more omniscient hardware platform to the point where she became completely inhuman and untethered like Aiba and Tama - more like SHODAN or something.

>>718242753
He could, but it's hard to top the Date+Aiba dynamic. He tried in NI and it didn't work.

>>718246420
Ryuki had to share half the game with Mizuki, and unlike Mizuki, wasn't a returning character at the time. So he had the least amount of screen time and chance to develop, compared to the other playable protagonists so far.

My favorite character. Love this nigga like you wouldn't believe.

>>718248828
I unironically think we will see him becoming a villain in the future after all the bullying he suffered

>>718240837
Pretty much, should have been clever and realize Date is too charismatic to transform him into a serious character, now he is the both of worst worlds and both oldfags and newfags get too confused and disappointed

>>718248931
Play the games, he's enjoying it

>>718226034 (OP)
too expensive, gonna get it when it eventually goes 80% off

>>718240837
Either make Date the new phoenix wright or just make different detectives as protagonists

>>718242689
Iris and Mizuki should have been one character, you can tell they don't know who to pander

>>718249279
>grumpy loli
>le quirky youtuber
How could they ever be the same character?

>>718238986
They just cucked themselves like when Capcom staff left to make clones of their popular ips only to sell less. Now Spike Chunsoft lacks the talent and the writers who left are just making clones but making less money, killing the purpose of them leaving in the first fucking place

>>718249395
Just fuse the 2 or make iris a secondary character, instead now date adopts iris and abandons mizuki

Really saddens me how much I hate this series and characters now and hate being reminded of them, when also just remembering the climax of the first game with the authentication phrase makes me want to tear up as well. They had something amazing and now I don’t even want to look at it

>>718249974
The mind breaking that AI2 did to some people needs to be studied, it really filtered them hard

>>718249974
They really did kinda fuck it up and got a bit greedy with this ay.
It's not irredeemable, but I think it would be hard from here to fix. AI2 kinda fucked it up and this game just gives me "they gave up" vibes. Apparently AI was the issue for these devs and they consider it mad for people to even enter the industry with AI as it currently is (according to uchi in an interview about 100 Line, just google it..).
The demoralisation was that effective I guess.

>Akemi won

>>718250130
I reckon it was too dark for some people because people are that boring nowadays.
>happy happy chikara!

But then again, they were ok with zero-escape so maybe it was just Ryuki who just sucked ass and the lack of Date/Aiba.
Plus they were dickriding police enforcement unironic in some comments. I actually was a little bit pissed off at them at the peak of lockdowns where I live.

But the twist was also kinda meh and I guess the reuse of assets burnt people off too.
There were a lot of mistakes made.
>reused jokes
>even reused plot points
>largely reused characters

This was an issue with ZTD too. I disliked them bringing back old characters. But they made up for it by making it a bit more violent for me.
But perhaps some players disliked the violence?
Or maybe the conspiracies? People just disliked the conspiracy shit? I doubt that though, the conspiracy shit is why I was attracted to the series. It was entertaining.

But I guess it wasn't funny in 2022 after what happened. In fact it was too uncanny to the reality of the world around them.

>>718251176
"I only remember the final case": the list

>>718251373
>"The case is problematic and the clown is bad because the e celebs said so!"

>>718251835
Justice for all being on the same tier as 1 and 3 is the real crime. Look up the list of cases in the game. Look up a walkthrough for the lottery one.

>>718237238
No Paranormasight? Haven't gotten around to playing it myself yet, but heard good things.

So AI just ends with this?

>>718252208
Pretty likely. But nobody expected this or even NI neither, so who knows.

>>718252208
I think it should. I love Aiba and Date, but Uchikoshi isn't going to get a real fanbase after two commercial flops in a row, both of which had disappointing endings that make you want to drop it.

>The passionate feelings of internet Boomers!
>Reach out to Gen Z!

Ugh...

>>718252652
Uchi wasn’t director on this one, he was too busy on Hundred Line. Just put his stamp on it and slapped its ass

Play Al The Somnium files.
I am NOT asking.

>cover art has thumbs ups/thumbs down all over it
>the soundtrack has Iris absolutely covered in them as well
>social media aspect in game downplayed to the point the fact the game is being streamed is mentioned offhand and may as well not even be happening for how much it’s relevant to anything
I wonder how much the game’s story changed over development. Was it supposed to be a straight adaptation of hidden bats at one point?

>>718226034 (OP)
Zero Time Dilemma being mid literally killed the entire genre

>>718239701
Hundred Line was fine, but still nowhere close as good as even the worst Danganronpa (Danganronpa 2).
Hundred Line's story structure went against Kodaka's strengths as a writer.

>>718252957
doesn't change what I said

>>718251176
>Rain Code that low
>no porn of it either
Was it really that bad? Never played it.