Thread 718230492

They flopped because of the combat.

they flopped because zoomers think you need to play 15 games beforehand

>>718230492 (OP)
Well it has best combat of any action jrpg possibly ever released so that seems unlikely.

>>718230492 (OP)
Should have stayed turn-based. Now Rebirth is being outsold by Metaphor (of all games).

AAA studios consider a million sales to be underperforming.
Fuck knows why considering they outsource to jeets anyway.

>>718230563
>eyes constantly glued to the three HP bars instead of the cool action since party members can't auto-heal without auto cure materia
nah it sucks

>>718230563

Yeah XVI has pretty neat combat. Too bad about Rebirth though... no surprise that flopped.

>>718230492 (OP)
No, they flopped because instead of delivering a FINISHED GAME that follows the original story and world-design,
they instead started releasing an overpriced, EPISODIC fan-fic SEQUEL to the 1997 game and its 6+ spinoff-sequels from the past two decades.

To make things worse, it's all Unreal engine slop, outsourced to Pajeets (no, really), with terrible pacing, god-awful acting, and literal woke-troon shit added everywhere.

Ditching the ATB / TBC was just the final nail on the coffin.

They flopped because one should have not been part 2 of 3 and the other shouldn't have been a gritty game of thrones story.

>>718230492 (OP)
I actually kinda liked FF XVI
but then it started getting into muh “fantasy racism against pink haired humans is bad” trope
for a game which relies on story so much, Squeenix really can’t tell a decent story.

>>718230636
Nigger what?

>>718230613
>Fuck knows why
Because they spend TENS of Millions on MARKETING alone.

This is exactly why smaller "AA" games, such as Nier Automata and Expedition 33 ended up being smash success stories with their sales being in the "mere" millions.

>>718230492 (OP)
Final fantasy is a dead franchise for cucks

Sure the combat wasn't great but that's only a very small part of the reason for the failure of the two games:

XVI
>stupid story
>99% of the cast is completely forgettable
>music isn't even top-5 of other FFs
>fetch quests galore
>too many cooldowns
>stagger

Rebirth
>incredibly woke
>episodic
>the entire cast is flanderized to shit
>no seriously I knew what Aerith was going to say 99% of the time before she said it
>minigames are a boring slog most of the time
>infested with Ubislop

The combat wasn't great in either, sure, but let's not pretend that's the only reason is my point.

>>718230492 (OP)
>PS5-exclusive
Isshydiggy.

>>718230652
The entire game reeks of brown hands.

>>718230492 (OP)
Are you sure it's not because of how fucking ugly and boring the franchise is?
Fantasy games look like shitty mods for The Sims

>>718230697
>>718230652
Tired of the rapeape bots.

>>718230886
this it doesn't help that the games just look like the same boring gray slop you find everywhere these days
final fantasy used to brim with personality for fucks sake.

>>718230814
The:
>stupid story
Could go under both games.

>>718230492 (OP)
It flopped bcuz its woke

Why is FF7 flopping? Didn’t everyone years ago want a remake?

>>718230492 (OP)
The combat was incredible. It "flopped" because Square Enix's expectations were way too high in the first place. That's the case with most Equare Enix flops actually

I haven’t played rebirth because I heard it’s open world ubislop. I’m tired of open world

>>718230558
And they are right.

>>718231067
We collectively begged...

>>718231085
Kek it flopped because the ace in their sleeve sold 2m, and XVI sold 3m. Both are abysmal for AAA games that take a decade to develop and hundreds of millions of dollars in marketing. The reason they flopped is because they're bad games.

>>718230814
>infested with Ubislop
>The combat wasn't great in either, sure, but let's not pretend that's the only reason is my point.
These are the only parts that matter. Remake had 2 sets of diversionary sidequests and stellar, tight combat that was truly the final perfect hybrid of turn-based and action. Rebirth has dozens of hours of Ubisoft-style padding that gates post of the story and sloppa combat that has too much going on and doesn't even show you your max hp in the battle ui.

>>718231067
>Didn’t everyone years ago want a remake?
Yes, and I still want a FF7 remake today.

>>718231060
is that really in the game?
why don't the other npcs look like anime characters when the main cast so clearly do?

>>718231060
What's funny about this screenshot is I'm the one that took it. It was shitposting of OMG BLACK PEOPLE during the demo lol

>>718231209
You have 2 games with the new one coming out next year.

>>718231060
Remake had tons of black characters, it was a hit. Anti-woke brainworms go and stay go.

>>718231259
No, I mean I want a "real" FF7 remake.

>>718231208
>tight combat that was truly the final perfect hybrid of turn-based and action
Nah, smacking an enemy around until I can use a special ability while my team jerks off in a corner isn't fun for anyone but the actually mentally challenged.
Dragon's Dogma got closer to a good team based AJRPG than Final Fantasy has ever come.

>>718231230
UE Metahuman.

>>718231230
>why don't the other npcs look like anime characters when the main cast so clearly do?
Because that would require effort and they outsourced all the effort to browns so that SE could put their effort into fucking up the plot instead.

>>718230636
You’re supposed to switch party members constantly in battles to build their meters to do actions like heal with items, retard.

>>718231171
They're really good games. They flopped because JRPGs are a niche genre now.

>>718231230
To answer as the one that took that pic>>718231239
Basically generic NPCs are outsourced to jeets to create a shitton of basic models. The visual difference was more obvious in Part 1, because they looked way too "normal" compared to the anime-style Roberto Ferrari designs of the main cast.
The Jeets that did the NPCs for Rebirth stylized them a bit more, so it's closer to the faux-real-anime style (larger eyes mainly), but they're not exactly like the main cast still.
Also that screenshot I took was turn when the NPC was talking and it was funny moment on what her face stopped on.

>>718230492 (OP)
>>718231060
Hold up.

>>718231297
This is a remake.

>>718231323
I said "final perfect hybrid of turn-based and action", not "final perfect cool ass emergent battle sim." That's cool if you like the latter, but
>smacking an enemy around until I can use a special ability while my team jerks off in a corner
is the sovl of turn-based, and they managed to keep it and team management while still giving you decent real time tactical options.

>>718231425
For example, this is clearly "main cast" design.

>>718230492 (OP)
Turn based fags need to shut the fuck up
clair obscur didn't succeed because of the combat and ff7remake rebirth didn't fail because of the combat

It's mainly the writing and characters, i've never played the ff7 original but played the remake and the writing and characters were so terrible they completely turned me off from the sequel and even the original.

clair obscur had amazing writing and characters, though there are some problems at act 3, it was still enjoyable.

>>718230652
So glad they left FF6 alone

>>718231523
Don't waste time arguing with people who don't "get" why Remake/Rebirth combat is amazing.

>>718230814
16 is ubisloppy as well

>>718231586
That game was basically Xenoblade but with a normie realistic art-style. Basically it's what anti-weebs that want to play JRPGs wanted.

>>718230636
Combine this with shit camera and the fact that 2 of 3 party members are always running around auto-battling somewhere off screen.

>>718231060
Why is she staring directly at the player?

>>718231431
Not a final fantasoid, which characters are lgbt in their recent games?

>OH NO A BLACK PERSON!!!!!!! I'M GOING INSANE!!!
Why are (you) like this? i'm afraid you should drop vidya as a hobby, it just aint for (you)

>>718230492 (OP)
>Game A flopped because of B!!!
>Game X flopped because of Y!!!!
>Game Z flopped because of C!!!!!!
Even if these were true, there's a broader pattern which is that every single singleplayer, non-IP based release has failed for years. You can point and gloat about how every single game happened to fail for one reason or another but the suits are just going to stop making actual videogames and descend further into a hell reality of licensed games, GAASslop, and a couple of mega-blockbuster releases (GTA VI level of mega-blockbuster).

>>718230589
Only 2m copies sold? lol fatlusfags are joke

They expected something like 500 million sales or some shit

They should be focused more on general sales, no numbers, promotion, not increase.

XVI had the best story since IX. I’m surprised squeenix themselves haven’t mentioned this, the game is super fucking good

>>718231651
What the fuck are you talking about? i played the 3 xenoblade games and they have nothing in common with clair obscur, clair obscur is closest to persona but with 0 filler and actual good writing and 0 time waste

>>718231741
they're exaggerating. /v/ has become a self-parodical

>>718231798
I know right, only sold as much as Flopbirth...

>>718230652
Lol what cheap fags
lazy jeets too but that's a double negative

>>718230492 (OP)
I didn't even bother pirating it because the combat looked like shit and not at all like FF7

>>718231634
You're right, no point arguing with people who are smarter than you.
Revel in your mediocrity.

>>718231925
I'm sure that felt good to type sweetheart.

Zelda did it, Resident Evil did it, its time for Final Fantasy to pull a "we're going back to our roots" in fact its been long overdue for this.

>>718231586
While I agree with you on some parts the major part is that it was a brand new IP in theory should’ve sold a lot less than a major IP like Final Fantasy. It just shows how bad square fucked up or I know name game sells much better than a major franchise.

>>718230558
They flopped because zoomers are not 40 years old incel neckbeards.

>>718231239
>>718231425
>>718231530
And as the one that took these pics, something you can't ignore once you realize it.
In EVERY group of NPCs, if there's at least 4 of them, the devs made sure one of them is black and that the group is so perfectly "diverse". No homogenization with gender or race at all.
EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
Go to any town or look at any cutscene, you'll see it.
And something else I noticed, right when Cosmo Canyon section starts is when it starts having fat NPCs. There are no obese NPCs anywhere, and yet suddenly those regions started having them, mainly the fat black lady at the chocobo ranch in Cosmo, and the fat white lady in Cloud's house.
Oh yeah, shout out to the wheelchair guy in the Promised Land chorus next to the black lady in the Cosmo Canyon Inn.

>>718231476
no it's not.

>>718232141
And sorry to go full NF (Nick Fuentes), but Rebirth also suddenly introduced female Shinra soldiers. Something Part 1 didn't have at all.
But it has Commander Lady who is sex. And the comical vibes between the soldiers was cool, Junon part was so damn good.

>>718231067
Yes.
NOBODY wanted a Rebuild type subversion

>>718232016
FF7Remake was just that bad it felt like they took the worst of japan with the convoluted shitty writing, and the worst of the west with the shitty slow walking segments

also i've always heard about sephorith and heard his theme so i was expecting this great larger than life villain but all i get was a shitty character that feels more like a yaoi love interest than a villain.

>>718230697
>jap games
>good story
Pick one

>>718230492 (OP)
Nothing will save FF.
People don't want to acklowedge this, but all decline began with FFX- when Sakaguchi stopped being nearly as involved with the games. FFX was already a preview for what XII and XIII would bring, but then his ultimate leaving basically sealed the state of FF.
The Sak was the sole reason FF games were always individual stories for one thing. He leaves, Square immediately needs money, so what happens? Fucking X-2. Compilation of VII. IV: The After Years & Interlude. Fabula Nova Crystallis.
Final Fantasy is no longer a franchise, it is many franchises. No longer is this cute stuff like "Oh, Final Fantasy 8 is probably in the same world as 3, isn't that neat" or "Final Fantasy 5 has a cool anime thing", instead it is direct "This is more of that past thing".

The four biggest projects talked about for Final Fantasy today really show why this is a complete shitshow:
>Final Fantasy VI Remake
>Final Fantasy VII Remake (Sequel) Part 3
>Final Fantasy IX Remake
>Final Fantasy X-3 OR X Remake
The series is done. Nobody will ever give a shit about the new games since every single one since X has been written by people who could not conceive of human emotions or struggle even with several lifetimes in their itinerary, and the combat system was never the issue. It was a symptom of SE's greater confusion over why people don't give a shit about FF anymore. Changing the combat system back will just lead to spergs deluding themselves into thinking "THIS WILL BE THE ONE!", like when XV showed off its "Roadtrip Vibes" or when XVI talked about how it had the DMC5 combat director. It's all noise distracting from the core that does not exist anymore.

>>718232312
Just for fun they should name part 3 Rebuild and have an Anno cameo

>>718231060
Whoa, I didn't know Star field characters could vacation in Wutai

>>718230492 (OP)
They flopped because of the limited Song exclusivity. By the time the games reached PC, no one gave a shit. Every other explanation is cope.

>>718232330
He’s barely in the first game BTW

>>718230492 (OP)
Just release it on PC bro

>>718231812
>XVI had the best story since IX
9 had a shit story though

>>718231060
>imma so glad yall finna liberates da folks a dis heya towun

“Miss I’m a terrorist”

>>718231628
that's their ultra-nuclear option

>>718231992
>Zelda did it, Resident Evil did it
No they didn't.

>>718231812
XVI barely had a story. And it wasn't good.

>>718231812
To be fair, if I was squenix I would also expect a FF7 remake to break all sales records. Too bad they made an absolute turd and cut it in multiple parts with massive changes rather than making an actual remake

>>718231259
>>718231476
Holy fuck you are slow.

>>718232696
They should have just come out and said that it was going to be a new verse/retelling. Everyone was expecting a more 1:1 remake

>>718232696
And it probably would have, if done 15 years ago.

>>718230492 (OP)
Rebirth looked really ugly combared to Remake, I light was way to harsh making everything look like it was made out of plastic, I think it was result of them pushing for the open world meme.
Personally I didn't buy either games because I decided to boycott Sqaure after I heared of the Ethics Department who get to censore everything that triggers lefties.

>>718232696
It was the worst of all decisions
Zoomers thought they were going to get the real experience and not have to play the old janky lego blocks game, but it turns out you actually need to have played the original to really get what was going on and all the references

Boomers thought they were getting their favorite old game with better graphics, they got a semi-sequel with retarded meta-universe subversion that aims to undo AND retread the original for no fucking reason, for 5X the total price of the original.

>>718233030
That story was false.

>>718232312
I can see the ending scene of those games already.
Cloud and Tifa stand at a modern tokyo train station, and on the other track are Aerith and Sephiroth.

>>718231523
>is the sovl of turn-based
Not even close. Jesus, play better games.

>>718233163
retard

Just go full femboy with Cloud.

>>718230652
>every location in every planet of every solar system has to look exactly the same with the perfect mix of every race

>>718233151
NTR is popular in Japan right now so it'll be Cloud standing alone while Sephiroth has both girls

>>718233143
It was a forced wrong translation that Audrey did to generate attention to her twitter. Basically the devs intent was for there not to be constant boob physics bouncing all over the place, which would've messed with the CERO rating. And now when Rebirth released, that got a bit more lenient with the summer outfits.

>>718230492 (OP)
They flopped because Square decided to make a game for a single console in 2025.

>>718230492 (OP)
>mid game trying to ride the coattails of a once great game flops
>this is somehow a suprise
???

>>718230492 (OP)
I pirated XVI thinking there was no way it was as bad as everyone said
Turns out it was WORSE
Jesus Christ that game was fucking terrible

>>718233332
Things that didn't happen for $200, Alex.

>>718233275
Even better, since Sephiroth is literally me

>>718230492 (OP)
If Rebirth was a 15 hour game with no filler I would have bought it and beaten it twice no problem. But too often I see "gameplay" that's just fucking wasting time

IP has baggage
FF is also too anime-adjacent but lacks the dating teenager aspect Persona has, another reason Metaphor won't hit P3-P5 sales numbers lifetime.

and its fucking episodic.

>>718233332
The demo showcased literally everything XVI had to offer. It was just put on repeat for 60 hours.

Rebirth looked somehow worse than remake somehow

>>718233423
Those time-wasting "puzzles" are less than 1% of the total gameplay.

>>718233423
>walking animation doesn't fit movement at all
>the thing he is pushing looks like it's hovering
>"AAA"

>>718233920
it's ok when fromsoftware does it tho

why do people think there is some secret turn-based audience that would have made these sell more. it's not like Clair sold 10 million. These types of game have a max audience of like 7 million and that's only if it's a huge hit

>>718230492 (OP)
>another pajeet remake hate thread
jesus christ

>>718232312
>>718232330
Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it true. Remake was kino.

>>718234134
this board is trash

>>718230725
Why can't these suits be culled?

>>718234124
Why do people think there's some secret action jrpg audience that would have made these sell more?

Meanwhile The Witcher 3 sold 60 million

>>718234134
>>718234259
Saaaaar

>>718234301
This also I hate poos

>>718232413
I'm betting on Remaster, Resolution, or Reference.

>>718232413
>>718234382
Is going to be Reunion, idiots.

>>718230492 (OP)
7 flopped because it's part two and it's not even a new game it's a third of a remake. 16 flopped because it looks generic. 7remake should not have been split into 3 and Nomura should be making mainline games again.

>>718233520
because of them making bigger open world maps. they had to scale down texture and lighting quality as a result.
real low iq jap decison of blindly following trends instead of trying something that actually works.

>>718234465
>Nomura should be making mainline games again.
When did he ever

>>718230652
>we made on
So it's indians who fuck up on/in/for all the time

>>718233163
Bad opinion.

>>718234263
It's called character action games and Nier automata has sold 9 million copies while DMC 5 sold over 10 million.

>>718230613
If they dont make a profit then it underperforms retard, if you spend 400m to make something and only make 401m then thats very disappointing

>>718233423
Tbf those are hidden level loads.

>>718230492 (OP)
>They flopped because of the combat.
Correct. Bring back turn-based.
>B-but muh politics muh woke
Bring.
Back.
Turn-based.

>>718234439
Almost certainly

>>718231067
Ya and we are still waiting

>>718234276
Ne zha 2 effort.

>>718234630
But FF7 combat is nothing like nier or dmc

>>718230492 (OP)
Who honestly cares about Final Fantasy anymore who is under 35 or 40? Nobody cares about these games anymore. They should have put out FF7 remake on the PS3 when they had the chance and everyone was falling over themselves about it
>It was just a tech demo
They could have molded that shit into a game instead of giving us the FF XIII trilogy and whatever else they were doing. I remember them making a statement about how they would never remake FFVII unless they were out of ideas or something. Now that they need money, they try to whip out the bait-and-switch FFVII remake and milk that for what it's worth. They waited too long for this just like they are waiting too long for Kingdom Hearts 4 and it came back to bite them in the ass.

>>718232280
>And sorry to go full NF (Nick Fuentes)
You're gonna start ranting about how we're supposed to vote for democrats in order to radicalize the moderates?

>>718234124
>why do people think there is some secret turn-based audience that would have made these sell more
BG3 allegedly selling 15 million

>>718230492 (OP)
I don't play wokeslop and neither do a lot of people.

>>718234465
>>718234540
Nomura only had a chance to make one FF game and he was sabotaged from Day 1 of SE demanding a trailer when he had nothing ready, and then refusing to let him have a full team or budget for years.

He's old now and does not have the same spark as then, we probably missed the only opportunity to see what could have done for the series

>>718234439
Reborn*
Which will be used in marketing for a “will she come back?” type of thing but it actually refers to Cloud

>>718232312
>Make a sequel nobody asked for
>"THE POINT IS THAT YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE ASKED FOR A SEQUEL AHAHAHAHA"
Why do hacks keep on doing this?

>>718234658
For investors. Could be great for the company if it built up expertise and loyalty in the labor because they got paid well to get a ton of experience. Could also ultimately be great for investors if it tees up a 600 milly sequel that costs 300 milly to produce because of efficiencies developed in the last game. But your company has to actually be competently managed to have that happen.

>>718230652
>>718230492 (OP)

>>718230492 (OP)
Maybe it's time to stop with platform exclusivity, Squeenix. Timed or otherwise.

>>718234891
Nobody bought that for the combat

>>718230492 (OP)
>people love your turn based games to death
>let's turn them all in DMC

who could have seen this coming

I'm still just kind of in shock that they had the slam dunk all set up, one of the easiest things to remaster and look amazing for doing so and make a bajillion dollars, and they made it a fucking alternate universe sequel that changes the story?

It's all right there, all you had to do was kick it in! It's all you had to do! And they put in time traveling ghosts that rewrite the story?

>>718234975
Because they all want to be David Lynch
He's worshipped like a god in Japan

>>718235026
Neither has anyone who bought a FF game in the last decade.

Someone should take the remake assets and do an actual remake of FF7 just to humiliate squenix

>>718235004
Investors demand line go up NOW or else they can legally remove you from your position.

Public trading is the worst part of capitalism

>>718233275
You're misunderstanding it if you think it'd written to be satisfying to literally anyone.

>>718230814
They're both 20-25 hour max games that got padded out like crazy.

final fantasy doesnt feel like final fantasy anymore

>>718235118
Do the nips actually like his work post season 2? Nobody else does.

>>718235110
Nojima did the same thing to FFX, he really fucking hates sequels and remakes and purposefully sabotages them. Unfortunately the other suits keep telling him to do it and aren't getting the message.

>>718235026
What did people buy BG3 for then? The story was trash and the characters were for the most part unatrractive

>>718230563
So it’s regressive from four nights in a row? Everyone with taste knows that already

>>718234804
FF16 literally hired the DMC combat director to design their own. FF7 is a hybrid and is obviously moving in that direction. Nobody wants turn based combat outside of nostalgic dads. If you're going turn based it has to be an SRPG to justify it.

>>718235220
How the fuck is that game uglier than one from 2002

>>718235201
I dunno what the rules are like in Japan, but anyone over there expecting consistent line-go-up is in for a rude surprise, as their economy has been loliflat for 3 decades.

No, /v/ as usual s delusional as hell. It flopped because everyone had their fill with Remake, and FF in general is a dead aging franchise that holds no appeal to new players.

>>718235118
He's right up there with the hack who made the joker movie when I was thinking of examples.
By the time The Return came out, it was trite, because it was perfectly Lynchian, while the original series is still unmatched to this day because it transcends the niche of surrealism. It's Lynch that you can watch with your grandma, and that's infinitely more valuable to the medium than being just another masturbatory wankfest that tries to be impenetrable but is actually just juvenile.
However I did like it a lot desu, it was just disappointingly typical.

>>718232629
they couldn't give less of a shit about FF6 even when they made good games. it stopped at FF4wank.

>>718235469
>this other flop final fantasy game was action and flopping final fantasy games are the future
true

>>718235469
>nobody wants turn based
>meanwhile expedition 33 sales vs ff7 remake sales

>>718230492 (OP)
>We need to make it bigger
>We need to add a million small details
>We need to add useless mini games
>We also need to spit in the fans faces
>Why is this failing?

>>718230492 (OP)
The next game will be a success, just keep making them Sony exclusive

>>718235004
Nah these companies have been around for decades and should already have in house knowledge that gets transferred down just overtime, if a flagship title of your single most well known game can barely make a profit then there is an inherent failure in the game design itself and allowing them to think otherwise is foolhardy

>>718235662
The spot on a woman right behind the button on a pair of pants is the sexiest thing on earth and those absolute fucking subhumans will never understand.

>>718235469
>nobody wants turn based
Don't let this anon see Pokemon, Deltarune and Expedition 33.

>>718235110
Just all they had to do was updated graphics, to bring into at least the ps3 era, add some qol features, decent voice actors which would be incredibly cheap comparatively but nooooooo

>>718235775
All of those are meaningless examples, especially Pokemon. Imagine thinking the bases of those games buy them specifically because they are turn based and not simply because of other factors.

>>718235775
Pokemon sells on collectable monsters, PVP autism and sheer momentum of addiction
The other two are upheld exclusively by being pretentious artsy fartsy pieces that its fans use in place of a personality

>>718235721
Company is just a name, anon. Acquired know-how and experience doesn't really means shit if you're replacing people. Square, and Square Enix later, had key brain drains over the years.

I wonder if people were genuinely so stupid that they skipped out on it because it was called Rebirth and not Remake part 2

>>718235878
They had too much success in the 90s, it set expectations and aspirations way too high, and everyone who gave them that success got old or left.

>>718235926
I don't even know when it released

>>718230652
I never really got the combat of the first one and the game just seemed padded. But yeah, all I wanted from the remake was the original with better graphics and audio.

>>718235878
They have utterly failed with an easy massively profitable title by doing every wrong decision, thereby worsening their brand image because if their biggest game to their name is trash then what does that entail for any others

>>718235870
>>718235875
>i-it doesn't count
And yet Final Fantasy should have those same types of fans due to being a 38 year old franchise that released multiple mega hits. Even the MMO, a cesspit of people on par with the UT/DR fanbase, is floundering right now.

>>718235469
>Nobody wants turn based combat
A turn based combat game is about to win game of the year.

>>718235469
I think there’s still value in turn based but it’s become a weird focus point for “fixing” FF. It won’t by itself.
What people miss is FF simply being good. Immersive worlds, interesting stories, memorable characters and music. The things everyone continued to talk about for decades over any combat mechanic.

>>718235775
>Deltarune and Expedition 33.
Neither of these games are actually turn based.

>>718235992
Same. Somehow I thought the first one was called rebirth that whole time so whenever I saw it being discussed I thought it was the first game.

>>718235621
I think people erroneously believe those E33 sales will translate to greater turn-based success. Just like with BG3 that was a flash in the pan as non-core audiences tried something popular for the first time. I doubt many of them will move on to play other CRPG/JRPG titles.

>>718230492 (OP)
they flopped because it wasnt nortubel

>Bloat the ever living shit out of FF7 with random compilation shit, most people have not played/read, nor were they good to begin with
>For every good thing Remake expands upon it, it adds three shitty things such as the whispers, Roche and ruining President Shinra's death
>White washing and massive revisionism/censorship
>Incoherent directionless artdesign, what happened to the world or mako energy?
>Massive tonal shift from the OG even wallmarket has been neutered
Oh and the OG English translation somewhat downplayed the seediness of FF7. Jessie straight up says there are train gropers on the trains at night in the Japanese version.

>>718236142
It's only true megahits were 7, 10, and 15, FF fans grossly overestimate the series overall success and reach. Every other mainline game sits at around under 8 million sales.

>>718230492 (OP)
>>718230652
>>718230870
>the corpo-woke jeet touch of shit strikes again
it's fucking hilarious to see giants fall like this
their downfall and suffering brings me endless joy, and I can't wait to see who's next

>>718236142
>due to being a 38 year old franchise that released multiple mega hits
FF never released any "mega-hits" aside from XV.

If you look at actual sales data you'll see FF has NEVER been the big seller its reputation suggests. The entire franchise put together just barely competes with sales of The Witcher 3 by itself.

>>718236327
Only fighting games sell on the combat otherwise its a vehicle for the games story and characters, in the ff7 remakes the combat is also dogshit as the story, either go turn based and have far more characterized combat or go full action and remove the whole party fighting aspect cuz the non player controlled characters are worthless

>>718236229
>but it’s become a weird focus point for “fixing” FF
The series went off the rails when it stopped being turn based and every game that gets further away from that coincidentally is worse. Turn based is a basically a proxy for not shit at this point because of the correlation.

>>718232045
>40 years old
That's a zoomer.

Last good FF game was X-II

>>718236416
reminder ff7 singlehandedly funded all square's ps1 projects

>>718236416
Nice up to date list you got there

>>718236427
>Only fighting games sell on the combat otherwise its a vehicle
That's not true for any action game ever made.

>>718236416
You must be retarded because the whole way to figure iut a success of a game is the return gained, 9.72 million copies on ff7 alone is incredibly large and even 13-2 still sold decently even with the stigma of japanese anime games and being a follow up to a lackluster ff game

>>718236434
>The series went off the rails when it stopped being turn based
The first action FF game was XV and the series went to shit long before that

>>718236434
FF was always mediocre and braindead gameplay wise and was hard carried by its production values.

>>718236353
>15
I will never not be mad at how they managed to put so much soul into a soulless game.
>b-b-but anon, that's doesn't make any sense, how can a soulless game have s-
it's the little things that give the game soul. lots of little things. but all those little things are united by a giant, soulless monster, that makes sure that all gameplay and dungeon design is 100% shit, at all times.

>>718231390
I don't get that though.
>character only builds meter while in control
>switch to other character
>previous character stops building meter
So either I spend 3 times as long to build up all the meters or I can just play one character and do 3 times as many actions. What's the point?

>>718236308
>each character takes turns doing actions
>not turn based
>>718236353
>>718236416
Even around 8m sales today still outstripes a substancial amount of games that come out.
8m back in the 90s and early 00s was huge.
Yes, it's never matched the hugely viral stuff, but acting like they never did well is just blatantly disengenous.

>>718236521
You really think adding another 10 years of deep discount Steam sales, ports, and remasters is going to help your argument?

>>718236526
Not true at all, the combat is a vehicle for the story and characters, the only games being bought for the combat itself being fun is fighting games, people arent gonna go back and play many games where the combat is fun but everything else is a slog to go through

>>718236142
FF close enough, if not succeeded, in making its reputation about changing shit every iteration. i remember to this day people shitting on FFX on gamefags when it released because of how different it was.

square at least, for a time, was relatively creative when they changed things, and now we're in an era where they're directly copying things, poorly.

>>718236327
FF7 was THE game squenix had that could pull in non-core audiences hard but they decided to make the game so shit that the people who did buy it didn't recommend it to anyone

>>718236416
>second best selling game on ps1
>7th best selling game on ps2
>not mega hits
Imagine being this retarded.

>>718236624
I’m not the one arguing with you, just saying that your data is prehistoric

>>718236142
Pokemon is a franchise that sells on cutesy character designs and collecting mons, it's wildly different from FF which is a bog standard chuuni cinematic JRPG for teens.
FF is dying because it's an old ass moviegame series that never had any selling point outside of the graphics and a brand name built in a very short period of time that was largely restricted to the fifth generation of consoles, FF is failing because it never focused on having any sort of identity that devs can work on to make something that gives people things they can't find anywhere else.
This is why even nu-SMT is starting to eat its lunch despite being mediocre to bad, because Atlus actually can sell it as something nobody else does, because SMT actually did have a tried and true formula that could endure through the years even if it would have needed some modifications, FF has nothing of the sort which is why every FF in the last two decades is trying to copy completely different franchises with each game rather than sticking to riding DQ's coattails like the old games.
FF's game has always been copying somebody else's homework and that sort of worked when they could simply bruteforce their way with superior production values for visuals, but now the rest of the industry not only did catch up to Square, it's mogging them hard when it comes to production values so guess what? Nobody cares about FF anymore because it's no longer the best looking cheap broad on town and everyone can see it for the cheap, boring broad it always has been.

>>718236586
The ending is really well done and so utterly unearned, it's amazing that can even happen.

>>718236612
Those are lifetime sales, not release sales. FFVII's sales reached 9 million after 10 years.

>>718236750
And shit, the only reason FF9 sold that "poorly" was because it came out AFTER the ps2 released in the US.

>>718236559
>auto battlers are turn based
Wrong.
>>718236573
>non sequitur
k

>>718230492 (OP)
FF7 Rebirth flopped because it's a shitty "reimagining" of the original story with parallel universe bullshit and tons of fillter content combined with insufferable identity politics

FFXVI flopped because it's a cutscene simulator with barely any gameplay. It would have flopped even harder if Yoshida wouldn't have been worshipped as a saint. But that changed now too

>>718230492 (OP)
There, I solved Rebirth

>>718237014
kill it with fire

>>718236884
It is ATB, which is what the majority of the "turn-based" FFs are, unless you think only FF1-3 and X count as good FF games.

>>718236901
lol, both statements there make it abundantly clear you're just parroting bullshit and never played the games.

FF can't survive in the current HD era of games.

These games are on a scope and scale that require a level of abstraction that is no longer acceptable to the average audience.

>>718236672
The story and audio are vehicles for the combat. If the game is doing the opposite it's a wannabe movie as a game

>>718237014
Drink bleach.

>>718237058
This post is incredible.

>>718236612
>>each character takes turns doing actions
>>not turn based
Deltarune is more known for the Undertale bullet hell sections and E33 completely negates the idea of traditional turn based combat by giving you a button that allows you to negate all damage, and structuring the game so that you need to use it.

>>718237213
>If the game is doing the opposite it's a wannabe movie as a game
And that is exactly what FF became after 7.

>>718236820
15 is one of the few things i can think of where the ending is truly good, but nearly everything else is aggressively mediocre to bad. i can think of so many things, vidya or otherwise, that were amazing but bombed the ending, yet FF15 is the biggest inversion i can think of right now.

>>718237213
That’s exactly what FF has been starting with 7. Kitase was specifically put in place to make the games cinematic, as he had ambition to do filmmaking.

>>718237405
For me FF15 picked up immensely when they dropped the open world and just went full linear towards the end.

>>718230492 (OP)
>Flawless deep combat
>Great characters
>Great story
>Great art direction
>Great OST
>Waifus
>Good graphics
>Lots of content
>Memorable moments that stay with you long after the game ends
This is a 10/10 game

>>718237403
>>718237479
This. Remember the 3/4 discs? Those extra discs weren't for storing more gameplay.

I HATE THE REALISTIC ANIME AESTHETIC I HATE THE REALISTIC ANIME AESTHETIC

>>718237403
After 1.
FF2 started the entire cinematic trend.

>>718237479
But the games still had good combat but then it all went to shit after X

>>718237213
there are JRPGs where the story is much much more important than gameplay and JRPGs with the opposite. it's fine and they're both good

>>718237405
>>718237484
I'm gonna say it, FFXV Comrades was better than the main game and was what it should have been based on.

>>718237502
Agreed. They fucked up not releasing on PC and Xbox

>>718237649
Not really. FF was always baby's first turn based combat and had very limited amounts of real strategy and builds. Almost every single case just stands as the poster for what you expected generic jrpg gameplay to be, in the form of just grind then steamroll everything.

>>718230492 (OP)
They flopped because it needs 10 years to be complete.

>Remake introduces these different Avalanche branches
>Barrets one is the fundamentalist one bombs reactors, if there are innocent casualties then so be it
Geee how convenient that Jessie is a shit bomb maker and It was actually Shinra that destroys their own reactor.
Hahaha hahahaha

>>718236549
That's because people used to own multiple platforms and rebuy the same game. Who knows how many versions of re4 people bought, you had those buying ff7 for psone, then PS3, then PC, then switch. Nowadays most people are just on a single platform, 2 at most. You are not gonna get a turn based ff selling 30 millions, turn based games sell 4 millions at most the average.

Imagine if it was a faithful remake, complete with late 90s values intact.

>claims to want deep challenging strategic turn based gameplay
>demands this of FF, which has never had it
>instead of just playing SaGa

>>718237502
There's no point in trying to argue with /v/ once a certain loud crowd has decided that a game is bad. Which is why in all these threads you can see that 80% if the anti posts are made by people who havent even played the game and are just parroting.

>>718237728
i would say they fixed quite a bit of the combat in comrades, it had its moments.
thinking back, i actually had fun especially when the online decided to work and i could play with my friend

>>718237913
Of course. Can't have moral ambiguity about what they're doing. That's EWWW. Jesse also has to be thirst incarnate because that's fine.

>>718230492 (OP)
Because realistic visuals do not work for Final Fantasy.

OG FF7 had the most anime visuals of any FF and it sold the best. FFX is the next best selling and it perfected the style. Wish they just continued with that.

>>718238082
I'd say they never should have gone beyond FF12 stylistically.

>>718237548
>>718238082
>ruins your series in you're path

>>718237993
It's hilarious how people say SE don't make turn based games and then you have them supporting SaGa a lot (they have like 3 more games coming), DQ, Bravely Default, Octopath Traveler, and even ported Fantasian.

>>718237367
>they mix it up, so it doesn't count
Anon, stop. You're arguing literally nothing.

>>718238152
I remember reading it actually used less polys for characters than in other ps2 FFs, good example of working the limitations.

>>718235294
DnD shit

I LOVE THE REALISTIC ANIME AESTHETIC I LOVE THE REALISTIC ANIME AESTHETIC

>>718238082
KH was the perfect balance of graphic fidelity and anime stylization.

>>718238152
FF13*

>>718238201
FF players ONLY play FF and have never even touched another RPG, Japanese or otherwise. They are much like Pokemon players.

>>718230492 (OP)
What's the budget on these games? What are the expected returns to make it perform well? How did they arrive at the numbers for the previous questions?

>>718238256
>mix it up
It's fundamentally completely different in intent and most people who love E33 love it for that parrying system, not raw turn based gameplay. Same with Undertale/Deltarune, people don't like the turn based parts, they like the bullet hell.

>>718238390
Buy stock and ask at the shareholders meeting

>>718237796
>>718237997
True FF chads like Rebirth

>>718238152
If all the NPCs looked like this in FF7 remake/rebirth, the game would honestly look better.

As it stands the NPCs and the main cast look like they are from entirety two different games.

>>718238201
DQ is baby trash and all the others you named are literal who games

>>718238459
That's because they hire indian companies to make the npcs. Dunno why not just use 3 nip nerds and use AI to make better npcs

>>718238281
So they bought it for the combat system

>>718235294
>What did people buy BG3 for then?
did you already forget about the bear sex? That was all people talked about leading to the launch of the game.

>>718236204
For the same reason TLOU game wins all the GOTY. Is not because of the gameplay buddy. Not to mention Shill 33 still sold less than FF16.

>>718238478
So why are those games so unpopular despite being turn based?

>>718238478
point proven
>>718238376

>>718238201
>Support
>negative budget games with zero advertising that cost full-price
50 dollars for this btw

>>718235294
Nta because of dating Sims elements. It's like why people saw the LoL show, they shipped the two guys like crazy, and bg3 is one of the few games actually featuring attractive male characters and furries for the furries.

>>718238459
Is there a npc mod yet?

>>718238376
No, but, we are talking about jrpgfags constantly crying in FF threads when they have a lot of alternatives. The genre fandom being so unreliable is the reason why companies don't trust them that much

>>718238604
Did they release on PC on launch?

>>718230492 (OP)
They should have just given us 3 niggas lined up in a row combat. It wasn't that complicated.

>>718238587
>>718238669
You guys are retarded, BG3's sex stuff is very minor compared to the other aspects of the game.

>>718238604
It's pretty funny how desperately people insist on turn based combat's popularity when the DQ franchise shows nobody actually cares for the gameplay style.
The reason FF, and thus any turn based game, was successful was due to elements outside of that gameplay. DQ innately lacks those and so nobody gives a shit about it. There's a new game coming out in about two months and nobody cares.

>>718238642
Worth every penny of it if what you care about is gameplay
However, FFtards only care about watching a movie.

>>718238419
Hey dumbass, people liked final fantasy for more than the raw turn based too.
Literally what the fuck are you even trying to argue here?

>>718230492 (OP)
No, it's being 3 games, and a remake on top of that. FF16 another crime was being solo character.
>Party
>Multiplatform day one
Literally they only need that to do well

>>718238817
That turn based combat has never been the sell and games live or die on merits outside of it

As a neutral observer who never liked FF and other jrpgs all that much, the combat system is the most fun Ive had in gaming for a long long time unironically. The combat and the music is the saving grace of rebirth - everything else is too bloated and the dialogue is too unnatural to be taken seriously

pic unrelated

>>718238776
*4 niggas
3 is just bullshit PS1 limitations

>>718238797
I dont want to play an ugly as fuck game where one of the main characters is a filthy durkadurk raghead, sorry

>>718238776
Does that magically fix 16’s uninteresting story, characters and quests?

>>718238797
>FFfags are threatening people to stop buying turn based games
Come on. If FF haters actually supported those games things would be different

>>718238794
Only 2 games on your list are turn based, and one of those is a spinoff.

>>718238905
Yes because people like characters banters and variety in gameplay. I would have loved to see more Barnabas scenes

Remember the Rebirth take on this iconic scene?
Lmfao

>>718238881
Point proven
>>718238797

>>718238971
I will not touch Rebirth, because I know it will not live up to my expectations.

>>718238978
You probably spend more time in FF threads than shilling turn based games
Tell me how many SaGa threads you played, in fact, let's make a saga thread and see how many people participate

>>718236832
That doesnt change a thing, most games will never hit that amount even after 10 years

>>718237993
SaGa is too complex, abstract and unironically demanding for the average player, it's also the complete opposite of Final Fantasy so asking the average FF fan to play SaGa is like asking a vampire to eat garlic.
The fact that the series is stuck in low budget hell and prefers to use that budget for the actual game part rather than graphics makes it even more unappealing to people, which is why the shitty RS2 remake that completely butchered the game but had AA-ish graphics got hailed as a masterpiece by the very same people who routinely ignored every other game in the series and are also suddenly all veterans of the series

>>718238927
>ignores the fact that it's still 8 Dragon Quest games underperforming in contrast to a game everyone hated
>ignores the fact that forspoken, a unique word invented for a game everyone hated, was used more than the words "dragon" and "quest" two incredibly common words and the name of a franchise
The point was that nobody gives a shit about DQ. The typical FF spinoff outperforms a mainline title outside Japan, and the DQ spinoffs may as well not exist because there is no fanbase here. Nobody cares about turn based gameplay, which is why the franchise emblematic of it is dead in the water.

>>718239071
Holy hipster, you sound like those ugly girls who brag about being smarter than hotter girls

>>718239064
Even less now with gacha and jrpgs needing 5 years to be made and making different versions, see Ryza trilogy or Atlus

>>718239051

>waaah FF should be turn based! Turn based will fix it and make it sell!
>If you want turn based combat, here is a good turn based RPG from the same company, why not play that?
>NOOOO IT HAS TO HAVE MUH CINEMATIC 8K JEETSOURCED UNREALSLOP 45min CUTSCENES AND ALSO BE CALLED FF

>>718237213
And amazingly enough if they have both done competently it works amazingly, however taking an already established game, giving it shitty combat instead of just turn based or atb, and changing the story while drawing it out massively damages the game, bad combat in a game can be overlooked by the player if the story and world are interesting, vice versa isnt as likely

Final Fantasy is flopping because Square-Enix has done nothing in the last two and a half decades to convince people Final Fantasy is a franchise worth sticking with.

>>718238971
still dont understand why they changed it, in the og Tseng killed the snake

>>718239089
Now go look at mainline DQ games. Also DQ sells way more on consoles because that's where all the Japanese people buy it

>>718230652
>>718230870
Based jeets killing this shit franchise

>>718237171
Jrpgs in general are in a crisis right now, nips need years and sales are not too good

>>718239089
You're using metrics for the popularity of a huge series from a platform where exactly ONE (1) of the games from the mainline series is available at all, and it released there many years ago. And it sold well.

>>718239220
He's the deranged FF faggot who keeps posting the same webms over and over to make people hate EB, he'll never admit he's delusional

>>718237951
The only thing that matters is profit and if you make 401m on something that cost 400 it is effectively a failure, meanwhile if you make 40m off something that costs 4m its a massive success, only retards need to sell 4m copies because all they had to do was upgrade the graphics, add qol features, some voice acting and voila massive return on investment

>>718237171
People have no idea how bad FF had it during the seventh gen when all we got was the FF13 trilogy.

Combat really has nothing to do with it, the very obvious fact is that SE has been torching the FF name brand for, god, twenty years at this point? How long ago was 13? SE makes it money doing other things like gacha and multimedia publishing, which frees them up to endlessly make mediocre games that don't sell.

>>718239438
Except you don't know how much any of them cost or how much they made.

>>718230725
if they were released in the same year nier automata would have outsold ffxvi by now.

>>718239392
Holy kek you are like the handmaid tales, as soon as I tell you to make SaGa threads too rather fantasize about some FF fag harassing you

>>718239380
>>718239458
>seventh gen
Which JRPGs survived because of portables. No such thing now.

>>718239438
Jrpgs spend too much on seiyuus and the average jrpg is like 60 hours long. And when they make normal graphics you call it mediocre

>>718238905
What you don't seem to understand is that turn based lining up to attack combat has its merits and has its fans. These kind of games are a lot more relaxing to play then having to constantly be on edge at all times. Especially sucks when a game has real time combat but yet is piss easy or brainless mashing on top of that. I also happen to enjoy watching the original FFVII's epic attacks like Knights of the round for example. Turn based jrpg have fixed this for years. Just give a speed up combat and exploration button. Doesn't mean we don't want it this sort of gameplay.

I always thought the turn based or ATB with all of the animations that comes with it was supposed to be complimentary to the whole package of the FF series. That it even compliments the crazy magical stories. Final Fantasy completely lost its way as it strayed from this.

So to answer your question it would never hurt for any FF to go back to the roots of what made it famous in the first place.

>>718238971
>Turn the marsh into a dungeon
Sure why not
>Midgar Zolom is now a boss fight
Ok fine
>Oh we want to explain excatly how that one snake got killed
Then you end up with laughable garbage such as this go to 6:33 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MWZVYn578gk . Every time they want to explain somethin, they miss the mark in every sense.

>>718230636
>rebirth is too complicated him xim

>>718239571
>No such thing now.
>What is the Switch
Millennials are too old now and zoomers lack the patience for jrpgs, add to that they have gachas where they can pull 40 characters

>>718239642
All they need is good art design that works with lesser graphical quality. Realistic graphics are trash

>>718238794
The 2 turn based on that image are both the highest play counts just fyi, also only 1 of those dq games is a mainline game with the others being niche spinoffs, also dq11 came out 2017 i believe with the definitive out in 2020 so its been a long time as well. You dont even know what you are arguing retard

>>718239362
>in the og Tseng killed the snake
What? I don't remember this..

>>718230492 (OP)
Flopped because of the censorship. Not turn based. And the game is incomplete. No one wants to play a Chaper 1 game then wait for chapter 2 for 3-4 years.

Squeenix should have done all games together, the sold it in a cool steelbox for 150$.

>>718239571
JRPGs thrived when they could be banged out by a team of 50 in under a year working on 240p resolutions.

For the same reason Japan's movie industry cannot compare to Hollywood, now that the game industry has jumped to Hollywood production budgets Japan is falling behind simply lacking the raw capital and resources to keep up with audience expectations.

>>718239523
It's hard to fantasize when you make the same exact posts over and over and have kneejerk reactions every time somebody mentions the series on top of shitposting in every single thread people make about it.
Oh wait, you think that just because you're posting anonymously people can't see you?

>>718239571
JRPGs have been surviving thanks to Portables since GBA.

>>718230492 (OP)
XVI is a masterpiece. Rebirth was too much.

>>718239089
Only mainline game on steam is dq11, everything else are niche spinoffs

>>718239220
Or just take ff7 and update the graphics, not hard right?

I love when people somehow expect a single player game to have high playercounts a decade after it releases.

>>718239771
I didn't even post that webm, and you keep ignoring the obvious: why can't you make SaGa threads?

>>718239503
They could have spent less money by doing an actual remaster of a game from 1997 but no they have to spend so much more money making it retarded

>>718230492 (OP)
Nomura needs to work on a new mainline before he retires

>>718239990
FF7 looks fine as it is.
You're just a movieslopper.

>>718235110
>>718235851
Why the hell do you people always wanted for this remake to have modernized realism graphics when this was antithesis to the original game in every way? The original game had funny looking chibis, fmv and also leaned heavy on anime artstyle of the time period. There was even a small anime done as part of the compilation. What makes this equally strange is if FF9 ever does get remade and stays truer to the look of its source material nobody will bat a fucking eye at that but heaven forbid FF7 did the same thing ffs....

>>718239642
Irrelevant this is anout squares utter retardation with their best selling game of all time even with an incredibly easy path forward

>>718232541
/thread

>metaphor sells less but is still considered successful
>Clair Obscur sells less but is considered a huge success

Maybe hemorrhaging money is the problem. Stupid kaiju shit and Ubisoft slop is just burning resources for shit no one asked for. That shit with the robot hands probably took more people and hours than you realize between designing, modeling, texturing, coding, testing, debugging, etc

>>718240132
It's not irrelevant, trends are changing and jrpgs became too risky, accept it.

>>718240068
But they also completely changed the story and added a shit ton of filler contentband split it up into several games to buy each over several year, did you conveniently forget they did that?

>>718240193
Metaphor was in development hell and they changed the art to bait Persona 5 fags

>>718240064
They're not going to let him

>>718240279
I said FF7, not Remake.

>>718240308
This was gonna be such a great game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6At_bb1PNU

>>718236342
>>Incoherent directionless artdesign, what happened to the world or mako energy?
Played the demo, saw they turned the funky mako reactor into a generic PS3-era warehouse, lost all interest. Was not surprised when the whole thing flopped.

>>718240027
I already made plenty in the past decades, why should I keep bothering? So you can come over and shitpost as you always do?
I already had enough of the recent falseflagger trying to start shit with other people by making those dogshit threads, why would I care about making more threads about a good series in a shithole like this, where hardly anyone even plays videogames anyway?
Are you that butthurt that people point out your own hypocrisy about wanting good games and insisting on squeezing blood from the rock that is Final Fantasy?
Or do you think that pointing out how the few people with an actual brain play SaGa makes the hordes of thin skinned brainlets you belong to look better than what you actually are?
Either way you look like a retard, hardcore games always had a smaller audience because guess what? They're hardcore for a reason and filter out people like you.

>>718240279
>But they also completely changed the story
No they didn't. In fact, plenty would argue that despite them claiming to be changing things, the way they went about it is cowardly and only really tends to manifest at the last hours or so of each game.

>>718240474
I knew you were retarded, since I actually made threads about SaGa and others like Breath of Fire.
Maybe stop smelling your own farts

>made profit
>Didn't make all the money in the world
>Disappointing
Yeah this is why the industry needs a reset

>>718240474
SMTSJ mogs smtv

>>718240308
I vividly remember this trailer dropping back when I was in college, and I watched it live on a study room I booked at my uni to have a watch party with my nerd colleagues. A friend of mine that was kind of an insider sneakily told us the day they were going to be dropping a big VS XIII bomb so we tuned in to their god awful square enix direct and this was tacked at the end. We lost our shits collectively when the trailer played thinking the game looked so good and couldn't wait for it to drop.
>Finally, it's just like kingdom hearts but dark and for adults, everything I've been waiting for!
>The combat looks amazing! Those graphics! The mix of realistic locales and FF classic elements is great!
We were what, 20, 21 at the time probably?
Holy fuck dude. Between this fiasco, kingdom hearts 3, and slopmake fantasy 7 Square Enix really did drain my ability to expect anything good from this industry. I'm psychically unable to feel hype anymore.

>>718230492 (OP)
They flopped because Square was being a retard.

>>718240474
Nta but SaGa games are not hard at all, they are just more random and obstuse on purpose
>Or do you think that pointing out how the few people with an actual brain play SaGa makes the hordes of thin skinned brainlets you belong to look better than what you actually are?
This is internet fight tier dude, you are too old for this, if you want to feel smart just do something useful over playing games

>>718240806
Between this and MGSV I can never be hyped again.

>>718232280
I dont even know who that is, but I like the girl post more.

>>718230492 (OP)
>game whose reputation survives solely on nostalgia having been released in a time when games were fewer and children had signficantly fewer options
>surprised the AA quality remake with no redeeming features except its reputation didn't sell billions

>>718240541
>>718240806
>you now remember the original Luna, Stella

>>718230492 (OP)
They flopped because they were bad games, not because they weren't turn based.

>>718230563
>muh combat
People only ever bring this up in defense of rebirth, nobody actually gives a shit about it. The only reason the few hold outs still care about these games is because of shipping and waifufaggotry. Go into any of the threads and it's always just a circlejerk of balding millennials posting "my wife aerith" and "my wife yuffie" back and forth at each other for 500 posts. FFXVI doesn't have any of this so it just never gets talked about.

>>718230492 (OP)
Seems like the next game will be announced/get an update september 7. I'm hyped to see people going crazy here.

>>718241060
Yeah, but that's a lot of threads here for other games too. For a board that often talks about gameplay being most important it certainly doesn't hold up.

>>718241050
I would have bought it if it had good turn based combat

>>718240474
I like ff games because they are fun. I don't feel any jrpg is hard though (played all the smt games and even p2ep psx version), people play these games for the cute characters and cutscenes mostly, if I want hard games I prefer point and click games

>>718240979
After the utter dogshit that was MGS PW and checking out whatever the fuck Kojima was smoking when making Ground Zeroes I didn't even bother with V so fortunately I avoided that bullet.

>>718241047
Lunafreya from XV doesn't even register as the same character to me. She's only good for lazy's porn and that's about it.

>>718240991
>when games were fewer and children had signficantly fewer options
Maybe by sheer number, but they released much faster and the percentage of great games was MUCH higher than it is now so the competition was tougher.

>>718240806
I strongly believe the ghost of Vs XIII still haunts the studio to this very day and they've been cursed ever since cancelling it

>>718241149
It took them 4 years between the first two games, it's going to be at least another 2 years for the next game unless they cut corners hard

>>718241175
The ones asking about gameplay are the same ones who spam coom threads about their favorite games all day
Make a SaGa, Octopath etc gameplay thread and it will die faster, make a thread about Yoshitranny farting and it will reach bump limit every fucking time

>>718239362
1. to set the idea that sephiroth needs cloud alive
2. to see the impalement itself
3. just sephiroth doing cool thing
4. once you get finishing touch on cloud, you can extrapolate that maybe sephiroth wasnt the one that did it but cloud controlled

Like, its not rocket science. In the original game it was set to give the idea of sephiroth strength, or another layer to the flashback. Basically a "yes, sephiroth is strong". Now, you get to see it, and we have seen sephiroth being strong before.

>>718241304
It's their fault since they forced Nomura to make more Sora crap instead of letting him make Verum Rex as a new ip (even millennials forgot about KH lore by now)

>>718230492 (OP)
If only 16 didn't require a 4090 on PC to run semi smoothly.

>>718241314
Yeah, but considering the last one will release in 2027, now it's the right moment for them to start doing teasers or something like title reveals. They did the same with rebirth, announced 2 years before release.

>>718240694
That schizo is some bald faggot that only uses saga as an ego trip

>>718241257
Luna is barely even a character unfortunatly

>>718241278
>the percentage of great games was MUCH higher
no it wasn't, you just remember to few that were good and/or the few you had to convince yourself were good because you couldn't just easily get game. ff7 isn't anywhere near a 10/10 by today standards just face it.

>>718241183
>I would have bought it if it had good turn based combat
>>718241183
The truth is that turn based combat doesn't change anything. With e33 people started hyping its combat exactly because it didn't have traditional turn based things, like parries. Metaphor was promoted as the best shit ever but then it just sold 2m copies at the end of the day. I like turn based, but it's something you add to a game that already have other good elements, it wont bring any audience at all.

>>718241473
They probably will show part 3 trailer at tgs or vga since mocaps and VAs are already ending

>>718240694
You did? Then why are you asking ME to make a SaGa thread while acting all pissy about pointing out deranged behaviour?
Go ahead and make one yourself, not like it will last long given the people on /v/ who "don't wan't to play as a filthy durkadurk raghead"
>>718240971
Nice excuses as always
>This is internet fight tier dude
If you talk shit you're getting your shit slapped, it's as simple as that.
I'm tired of letting you faggots freely parrot hypocritical bullshit and try to silence other people by pretending you're the better men after shitposting, stop talking shit and people will stop hurting your feelings

>>718241304
It certainly still haunts Nomura. I hope he gets to do his own thing one day, it's plain to see he has unfinished business with this story and characters.

>>718241591
>If you talk shit you're getting your shit slapped, it's as simple as that.
I wish you had this dedication in actually talking about SaGa
>I'm tired of letting you faggots freely parrot hypocritical bullshit and try to silence other people by pretending you're the better men after shitposting, stop talking shit and people will stop hurting your feelings
You are literally the one here with a huge victimcomplex and trying to feel superior over a fucking game, it's you who are exposing yourself as an idiot

>>718241551
Look at the amount of software Square produced for the Super Nintendo and PlayStation. Most of it is good unlike their current production model.

>>718241582
>They probably will show part 3 trailer at tgs or vga since mocaps and VAs are already ending
I said september 7 because that's the 2 year anniversary of the mobile game, and the director said that would be the time where they would release news for the next title. Btw, there's datamining of a unknown character for this mobile game, i wouldn't be surprised if they will reveal someone who will appear in part 3.

>>718241060
In general FFXVI dumping parties for a single protagonist was stupid. Even if you want to do real time combat figure out a way to fit a party there because it's obviously a big part of the appeal of FF.

>>718241740
Maybe, but it sounds like they will show the new ec expansion. I hope they finally use BC and DoC to get those 3d characters models

>>718241718
not if you compare it to modern games. you could make 7r be turn based it would still be absolute garbage compared to BG3.

>>718239362
>in the og Tseng killed the snake
>>718239725
He's referring to the party meeting Tseng, Elena and Rude in the Mythril mines that come after the snake and swamp

>>718241551
Nah little Zoomierooni, almost everything you consider a 10/10 today is riding the coattails of what came out in the 4th and 5th gen in under a decade.

>>718241740
Genesis 100%

>>718230492 (OP)
Rebirth is legit one of the top 5 games released in the past decade.

>>718241624
I'm not buying anything from nomura ever again, I've learned my lesson. He's just "secret ending hype trailer man". Amazing at making a beautiful cinematics with cool ideas thrown at you at bullet speed that get your imagination pumping dreaming about a game that realizes everything that's compacted in 4 minutes worth of video. Complete fucking dogshit when it comes to capitalizing on the potential of anything he ever makes.
In a way I'm glad VSXIII never came to fruition, because seeing his track record it would've been shit.

>>718241591
>The worse thing you can say against a SaGafag is talk about SaGa
Kys you fucking idiot poser

>>718241812
there are like 5 truly great crpg's that can not be replicated today but no jrpg holds up.

>>718241802
I bet on something like a teaser for the next chapter of sephiroth's story, and with that we'll see this new character who will appear in part 3. But your guess also makes sense because they're finishing cc's story in the game, so they will have to insert a new story there.

>>718236601
You build up the ATB bar, choose command, switch to next character. By the time the first character has executed the command, the new character has already build up their ATB bar for their command. Switching time.

>>718241887
worst*

>>718230492 (OP)
I technically bought three times.
I preordered on amazon the deluxe edition. Then, i said "if this game gets a 92 or more score, i buy it digital to immediately play it", since the amazon copy was gonna arrive really late, like 2 weeks. It did.

And now i bought it on steam as well.

>>718241708
I am dedicated, which is why I don't do it in a shithole where barely anyone plays it and actually loathes it to begin with, who do you think made most threads about the recent releases when they came out in here and /vrpg/?
And no faggot, you don't get away with projecting victim complexes on others in a daily FF shitposting thread, get real

>>718241962
A new character? I quit ec long time ago. Still interested in seeing how they will adapt doc, bc and ac, I wouldn't be surprised if they reuse DoC models for some DoC remaster since part is Vincents time

>>718241873
>because seeing his track record it would've been shit.
>TWEWY = excellent
>KH1 = excellent
>KH2 = excellent
>Most KH spinoffs = Mid to excellent

I don't think you have a realistic view of his track record

>>718242098
Great list of games that released almost 20 years ago

>>718236601
>>718241963
Also, in some battles you want all the characters have ATB bars ready and execute them in one go

>>718240121
FF7 had highly detailed and realistic looking pre-rendered backgrounds. The characters looking like legos was because of the technology at the time, it was not by choice and you can tell by what came after. FF8. FF was never meant to look like anime cartoons.

There is some quote from Sakaguchi people love to post as rebuttal talking about FF never being realistic like RE but of-course it was taken out of context. He was talking about the fantasy elements like magic and stuff. Spirits Within and Lost Odyssey, those were his attempts at FF, both looked very realistic because this is how they always envisioned the franchise if not for technological constraints.

In fact, FF16 is the closest the franchise has ever been to recreating the feel and look of what they wanted from FF1-6. The game fucked up in other aspects but it has the soul of the original games on the Nes and Snes aesthetically and narratively.

>>718241907
Yeah that's why everyone to this day keeps aping, referencing and trying to recreate Chrono Trigger, Earthbound, SMRPG and FF7. Because they were so bad.

>>718230652
So I understand why there is half the mods for VII Rebirth available next to VII Remake.
I stopped downloading Rebirth, and I am going to play Remake instead.
Fucking disgusting.

>>718242073
The datamining shows it's not exactly a complete character at the moment, we'll probably play with them for a while. The description is like this:

"??? (not actually confirmed to be a banner, but they are expected to be a guest character for either the anniversary event or a chapter in october)"

>>718241887
I play both saga and FF, I don't know why this schizo is like this, he has such a huge inferiority complex with FF...

>>718230492 (OP)
It flopped because the remake part 1, or the fucking 3 parts for a goddamn psx game, was bad on almost every level and people didn't want more.

>>718242164
>everyone to this day keeps aping, referencing and trying to recreate Chrono Trigger, Earthbound, SMRPG and FF7.
literally doesn't happen, except for 7r which failed, or trash like octopath not even really worth mentioning. The biggest jrpg by a large margin is elden ring which has nothing to do with those games.

>>718242219
>In before 2B

>>718242141
And? What does that have to do with anything? He spent 20 years getting dicked around about Versus and then dicked by Disney trying to make KH3, which still turned out good despite their sabotage, just not the masterpiece level of 2.

>>718230652
Max dood punching walls right now
Burning elon musk effigies in hope for better sales

>>718240474
Remove the homo bait in smtv and 90% of smtv threads would disappear. There is no need to be this dishonest

>>718242284
Elden Ring is not a jrpg

>>718242489
You'll go crazy when the next game is announced next month and he starts focusing on ff7 once again.

>>718231414
Someone will probably say "muh Persona" or maybe Xenoblade, but when all you can mention are 2 or 3 games out of a genre spanning hundreds of games then yeah. It is niche.

>>718242528
if elden ring isn't a jrpg then jrpg's are beyond garbage that can't compete today at all. shit like octopath that celebrate 100k copies, irrelevant in a modern market with AAA games.

>>718242508
You can say the same thing about literally every thread in here, 99% of threads in /v/ are fueled by a single topic repeated ad nauseam which most of the times isn't even related to the actual games.
These very threads are like that.

>>718242624
Even Xenoblade 3 sold less. And how much do you think trails remake and atelier reslerians will sell?

>>718242348
Look, if you just want to look for scapegoats to justify why his recent endeavors that have been bad aren't his fault, that's cool. But nothing he's made since has been good. So as far as I'm concerned he's unable to make anything of value for ages.

Someone in SE's market research is giving them really, really bad information.

>>718240196
You claim they are risky when that implies they are unlikely to turn a good profit which is outright wrong, second most jrpg only even get marketing in japan and lack any sort of broader marketing, third jrpg gameplay has already been shown to have million+ sales capabilities they just need a decent story to go along with it

>>718242701
Yeah and? But that anon, probably femanon with the usual passive agressive crap just use smtv for yaoi shit and seethe at ff probably because of the waifu threads. Not the first time I see coom shaming while shota and gay threads get spared from these puritans

>>718242660
>if it's not the biggest thing ever it might as well not exist at all

Brown braincells, everyone.

>>718230492 (OP)
but the combat was the only good thing about them

>>718242660
You're correct outside of the AAA market currently imploding, JRPGs were never that popular much like CRPGs or really RPGs in general.
AAA is also self destructing hard in the latest years so it's pointless to use that as an argument.

When people called 2024 the year the slop flopped they also meant rebirth

>>718230492 (OP)
twink simulators

>>718241554
You have said nothing because "turn based doesnt bring players", thats the same for everything else therefor its not a point retard

>>718242723
>make 1 thing because that's all you were allowed to do by your bosses
>it's not AS GOOD as previous thing, but still good.

>AHHH HE'S COMPLETE SHIT FOR 20 YEARS

You really are retarded.

>>718241149
>Seems like the next game will be announced/get an update september 7. I'm hyped to see people going crazy here.
These devs are genius because they managed to find a way to ragebait anons for more than a decade.

>>718242738
It is still risky. Gacha literally are most of their market now. P3R despite the P5 style didn't sell as much. These games sell 3 millions at most, and this after spending years since nips can't keep up.
It doesn't help only realistic ones seem to sell more, and weeb ones not as much
>Persona
I'm actually curious, P5 came at a time normies didn't know as much about Atlus making new versions and when gachas were just FGO and 2 more, and when zoomers were kids and millennials were young. I don't know if 33 years old zoomers will enjoy being called old in P6 as much.
There is also the gachas, like I said, people like
>Cute characters
>Stats numbers GO UP
And they get way more of that with gachas. It's also like plenty of action shooters don't dare to try that much anymore since people just go to Fortnite these days

>>718242809
>low iq with no reading comprehension
what color are your braincells?

>>718242874
RPG's not being popular didn't stop witcher, rdr, baldurs gate. Weird how this cope only gets brought out to defend jrpg's.
>AAA is also self destructing hard
never been more profitable but ok. any day now, we'll be riding horses and playing octopath traveler.

>>718242793
Honestly, if a Dagda reaction image from SMTV makes you go through such deranged conjectures to create yourself an enemy the only thing I can tell you is to take your meds, and I tell you this as a straight, biological male who's perfectly fine with his own genitals.

>>718230563
rebirth deniers are doing heavy damage control with this one looks like you hit the nail on the head

>>718242987
>thats the same for everything else therefor its not a point retard
retard fuck. The point is how even when turn based games have success their biggest praise is when they do shit that's not related to turn based

>>718242991
KH3 was a complete and utter disappointment by every metric imaginable. And the remake has also been a complete mistake. But okay. He's good man, hope his cock tastes good or something because otherwise I can't fathom why someone would be this mad.

>>718243072
The problem is weebs became doomposters. I'll explain you, if you release a japanese game they will go to some steam chart and masturbate about low numbers. Then you have the trannypedos invading every jrpg space saying they can't play a 70 hours game if they can't see a 5 years loli and low poly panties.

>>718243023
>These devs are genius because they managed to find a way to ragebait anons for more than a decade.
That's why nomura is the goat

>>718243072
>RPG's not being popular didn't stop witcher, rdr, baldurs gate.
The Witcher and RDR are not RPGs in any sense of the word, might as well say DMC5 is an RPG if you think those games qualify.
BG3 was a hypermarketed AAA game with the full might of WoTC propaganda machine behind it and the heavy whiff of "legit" porn, it's the same exact phenomenon that made the first Dragon Age a heavy hitter, its success is not tied to the actual RPG part of the package which by all means isn't terrible but it's not anywhere near what the hype wants you toe believe.

>>718230492 (OP)
Yes and no since the combat itself is fine, it's just arpg is done to death, especially open-world arpg. Like, we've basically reached some sort of convergence where multiple genres have now merged into a now industry standard of cinematic open-world survival-craft arpg with skill tree that everyone makes now but with different textures.

>>718243284
>not a true scotsman!11!
ok weeb.

>>718243140
You are being obtuse on purpose, the only thing that combat sells is fighting games, turn based is not something that is a detriment like you imply and everything needs to be action like you want, its childish notion because turn based games still turn good profits, combat is the main gameplay but it needs a good story characters and world otherwise its a slog

>>718243113
Sure thing, that's why you are seething about people enjoying other things and assuming they don't play SaGa because you would feel "dirty" if people who play more popular games played the same things as you.
Wanna bet how if I make a SaGa thread (since I actually played those games, even Unlimited before any remake or remaster they might make) I will be left alone and you won't even enter?

>>718232141
I loved FF7 Rebirth and is easily one of my top games in the past years but have to say that even I find that very hard to ignore, so I just pay no attention to NPC's and completely block it off my mind otherwise I cannot stop noticing it and thinking how lame this is. Everywhere is so racially diverse and gay, except for Barret's hometown more than half the NPC are black, but overall most of the NPC's in this game are so low quality too. I wouldn't even mind if they used AI to just randomly generate them in future games because it is bad. The jeets making these NPC's suck.

But I do wonder if this is due to UE4 too because this engine was never meant for a huge game like this. Like when you play FF16 the quality of everything is so consistent but FF7 Rebirth can sometimes look so awful, even worse than FF15 on the PS4 and it's probably because of the engine. There is no other game that push and squeeze UE4 this hard.

>>718243284
>BG3 was a hypermarketed AAA
lol

>>718243321
Never thought I’d see the day where FF13’s approach to level design could be seen as a breath of fresh air.

>>718242624
Yeah. No one is lining up for this genre anymore. Which personally, I don't mind. I never attached what I liked to it's popularity. Hopefully Final Fantasy XVII caters relentlessly to the core audience instead of trying to reel in more fans.

>>718232312
And yet it will be defended to the death by people who would have loved it no matter what. All they want is more time with the characters. It doesn't matter if it's tedious, boring, nonsensical, badly written, insulting to your intelligence, utter trash. You could make a 100 hour game set in Seventh Heaven and they'd like it, because they get more time with the characters. At some point they became obsessed with the characters, but don't actually care about the story or the game they're in.
Is AC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is BC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is CC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is DoC good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.
Is 7R good? No, but it gives us more time with the characters, so they like it.

>>718230563
Rebirth, agree
16, naaa

>>718243635
E33?

>>718243707
What's wrong with AC? Sure, it's not best ever cinema art, but it was great movie for fans.

CC is good. Of course it's not FF7, but it's good game.

Remake and Rebirth are both great.

Square Enix cannot pace their games anymore. Its an impossibility. From FFXII onward these games have suffered from massive pacing issues with nothing to justify the run time other than the fact that FFXIV is an MMORPG. Even the games I enjoyed over the years that arent a direct adaptation of an old product such as Triangle Strategy dont have stellar pacing either.

This problem is extrapolated when you get a game like Rebirth, which is telling a fraction of an already told story over the length 3 times that of the original game, not even counting Remake before it. For every additional character moment people might come to enjoy, and this is assuming that they like every little last additional character moment, there is a ton of padding buried within. Even skipping every last ounce of side content, its still a 30 hour game, which in tandem with remake, is roughly twice the length of the original, and doing this makes you miss a lot of the additional character moments that might help justify this run time since there are quite a few buried within side quests.

The harsh reality is that people dont want to play these stupidly long slow burn games without some sort of payoff. This is why the Legend of Heroes franchise as a whole is not popular, because much like modern final fantasy a lot of those games spend a ton of time dragging its heels for marginal benefit.

In a franchise that takes so long to make these days and has characters that are hardly even discussed anymore its no surprise to see why things are the way they are

>>718230636
You do know what the RPG in action RPG means, right?

>>718243716
Haven’t played it.

>>718244098
I was wondering if that's what you meant by that FF13 comment.

>>718230492 (OP)
They're just too fucking expensive and releasing on ps5 a year before PC means their plots (if they have any) get spoiled in advance, and why the fuck would I pay full price for a 1-2 year old game? I'll probably get rebirth at some point but not for full price.

Ive seen 50 year old depressed divorced single dads get over their true love faster than it has taken for Normua to get over Versus XIII

>>718243648
After the mobile game AI gatcha remake of FF7 made more money than the high effort, highly acclaimed real game of Rebirth, FF17 is going to be a low effort, AI skinner box pile of shit. It will be exactly what gamers deserve becuase they couldn't stop screeching about autistic minor detail different artistic visions on the remake.
FF9 had random encounters that took a full fucking 15 seconds to load, and we loved it. Yet in 2025 a trilogy, or not 1:1 perfect copying, or time jannies or black nobodies in the background make a great game unplayable. I fucking hate gamers.

>>718230492 (OP)
I don’t think it’s the combat. I’m a turn-based fag and I thought the Rebirth combat was pretty fun. I think it’s the fact that it was limited initially by being an exclusive and then by the number of people who bought the previous installment, many of whom were very disappointed remake was actually a soft reboot with fanfic tier changes instead of an actual remake. Also, the pacing of both remake and rebirth were atrocious and really made me appreciate how well structured the og was.

Can’t speak to XVI as I haven’t touched a mainline FF since being badly burned by XIII (where the combat was also pretty good I thought).

>>718232141
>>718243371
>muh fantasy world with talking dogs and mystical creatures in a diverse range of geographical regions doesnt have everyone the same porcelain skin tone
literally nobody cares. 100 hours of main story, side content and exploration and you zero in on the inconsequential npc's that dont affect anything. get a job

>>718240741
you don't get it, the numbers aren't going up unless they're the BIGGEST numbers!

>>718241242
> I don't feel any jrpg is hard
did you play SMTV on hard and thought it wasn't hard? I've been stuck for days on the Demi-Fiend fight and trying to not look up guides on how to cheese him. Although I saw something by accident and now I'm mad I know a way to beat him in 2 turns but is something I would have never thought on my own.

on a sidenote, to not make another post:
FF has always been very easy, so to me FF7 Rebirth being so challenging, especially Rulers of the Outer Worlds, I think it was a real nice change of pace. This is the part of the game where you're forced to truly understand the combat inside and out. And yes, FF7 Rebirth's is the best combat an Rpg has ever seen. There is nothing that comes even close. A perfect blend of skill, strategy, tactics and challenge.

>>718243972
Social media driven brain rot and low attention span are killing FF? Thats so pathetic it actually makes sence. Nobody reads books anymore too.

>>718230613
A million sales for a big flagship title would have been a disappointment on the Playstation 30 years ago.

>>718244442
If they used this combate for a new game and multiplatform it would probably sell a lot better
Waiting a decade for a game to finish is too much

>>718244362
Well if you're right (likely are) I've been preparing myself for Part 3 to be the last massive budget FF game ever. A decade from now people will look fondly back at this trilogy.

>>718243358
That's a massive amount of derangement, but you're half right on one thing, you would be left alone because hardly anyone in here plays and you won't like if I entered it because you've branded me as an enemy for standing up to actual victim complex derangement, the fact that you think you're special for playing Unlimited only highlights how you're the one trying to feel superior here.

Actually you know what, get in here big boi
>>718244686
Show me how much you and the oh so many people on /v/ who play these games want to actually talk about them in earnest because I sure haven't seen that in years, let's see if we can get a honest to god SaGa thread for a change without anyone trying to derail it.

>>718244351
Will be interesting to see how long it’ll take 7fags to get over the remake not being what they wanted

>>718243972
Jrpgs are not popular anymore

>>718244362
>FF9 had random encounters that took a full fucking 15 seconds to load
No we didn't nigger, the game was shit on specifically for those slow load times and it sold like garbage.

>>718230492 (OP)
It flopped because the games are shit.

>>718243915
>What's wrong with AC?
haha

>>718230492 (OP)
turn-BASED won

>>718244362
>minor detail different artistic visions on the remake.
lol

>>718243915
nothings wrong with it this is a ragebait copypasta

>>718230492 (OP)
Sonic 2006 was apparently ahead of it's time in the assets department.

>>718244564
2nd best. Souls is still king but I get calling it an jrpg is like putting tomatoes in a fruit salad. Rebirth is the first arpg I've enjoyed the combat of since pic related 32 years ago.
Im pissed square finally gets it after 2 decades and than E33 comes out.

>>718243972
XIV showed they can still create interesting stories with fun characters, so why is it that every game of theirs that's not a MMO dlc is just a senseless mess?

>>718244610
There are more books in recent history that have had more cultural impact than final fantasy has had in the past two decades

>>718244612
Final Fantasy is not a flagship IP anymore anywhere else than in SE execs' imaginations. Only millennial nostalgiafags give a single fuck about Final Fantasy as an IP.

>>718244968
ummm ackshually putting tomatoes in a fruit salad wouldn't be that weird because tomatoes are fruits after all

>>718244630
You are right...

>>718243972
Rebirths problem is the love triangle, since if you spend 10 hours with one girl they try to balance 10 hours with the other girl
Don't know how reliable these leaks are but apparently part 3 main heroine focus will be Tifa and Aerith won't appear that much. That and praying for them not to spam 200 minigames

They flopped for having some of the worst moogle designs in the series.

JRPGs have too much text, I'd enjoy them a lot more if you just gave me the story parts compressed down into a couple sentences each rather than hundreds of sentences that take 15 minutes to go through

>>718245103
FF doesn't need to be a flagship since Jrpgs are not THAT popular. It's like with Silent hill, they don't need to be the new resident evil, they can coexist as the second game next to RE since 90% of companies refuse to make horror tps games.

>>718245212
zoom zoom

>>718244973
They are capable of making interesting hooks as well. Remember the amount of people talking about the FF XVI demo? Where did all those people suddenly go? The answer is because the pacing takes a massive nosedive, beyond that of simply letting a dramatic moment breathe, people lost interest

>>718243707
AC has no flaws. There's nothing wrong with it. If you're a fan, it gives you everything you want.
CC is also good, it shows us more of Zack and Aerith's story.
7R is also objectively good because it's character driven.

>>718245238
>companies don't need to make money, being unpopular is intentional
holy cope

>>718244910
This, exactly this. Just becuase the top is more soulful and better doesn't mean the bottom isn't better than 99% of games. Enjoy the MMO, GAAS, gacha, paypig future that square will create in its place. Im sure that will be WAY better thsn the top...

>>718245239
I played FF7 when it came out and even back then I speed read and/or skipped a bunch of the text

>>718245326
That's not what I said. There is no point in FF to stop existing when they can just adapt and sell 6 millions minimum if playing well their cards. It's not like they have many rivals in the genre anymore, plenty of jrpg ips died in ps1/PS2

>>718244630
>Part 3 to be the last massive budget FF game
lmao they're doing that shit as cheap as possible after Rebirth bombed. It'll be lucky to crack a million sales

>>718234439
>>718234767
They already used that on Crisis Core remember

>>718245238
FF is not the 2nd jrpg series to anything though. As much as it makes some /v/tards seethe, it remains easily the biggest brand name within this genre

>>718245276
XVI was a weird case. Logically, if you take the team that produced good content and give them free rein, you get more good content. But no, what they made was an unappealing disaster too

>>718245019
Doesn't that apply to anything? Is their a single media IP thats not true of?

>>718245450
Pretty much, every jrpg still gets compared to it despite stopped being turn based 20 years ago kek. A shame since DQ11 deserves to be more remembered

>>718245165
>Main heronie focus will be Tifa and Aerith wont appear much
This should be the most obvious statement in the universe. She is dead, short of flashback scenes of COURSE she isnt going to appear much. The fact this is even called into question, or the fact it is called a leak, is fucking crazy, its psychotic

take rebirths combat system, mix it with a job system and at minumum 5 party members and use it in a new setting for ff17

boom ff saved

>>718245464
16 was some weird pandering to 2008. Actually ff16 would make sense in 2008 when every character became edgy and GoT plust TWD were BIG, but now? They should have used a party but they likely wanted nuGOW audience

>>718245464
>Logically, if you take the team that produced good content
You mean the shitty WoW-copy MMO?

>>718245506
fake aerith will constantly appear to cloud untill his mindbreak where he ends up in a wheelchair

>>718245464
People think an MMORPG development team can suddenly write a story that has compelling pacing for some stupid reason when FFXIV has had a set formula that REFUSE to deviate from

>>718245501
DQ is too childish

>>718245165
Leaks?

>>718245589
MMOs are visual novels and 14 seemed more honest about it. Even mmofags spend more time talking about FF14. When you spend more time talking about the competition that means you are doing something wrong

>>718245464
ff16/mmo dev team have two giga flaws in development philosophy

1 they are fucking afraid of making the game hard thus they in turn make the game way too easy

2 they do not give a shit about good sidequests

>>718245681
>MMOs are visual novels
Wat. Maybe if you said just XIV & TOR, sure. But most are about giving you excuses to explore & grind, even the modern ones that try to ape WoW still.

>>718245326
You can't just make zoomers interested in traditional jrpgs when they have their own gachas

>>718245675
Unfortunately this series will never escape looking and being perceived as a baby game, which means it will never gain ground.

>>718245635
And that will once again be poor writing and pacing, padding out screen time to drive an obvious point home

>>718245750
>1 they are fucking afraid of making the game hard thus they in turn make the game way too easy
Their biggest fuckup with XVI was hiding Hard difficulty behind clearing the game. I don't think I had anything more than a single game over playing it on normal, which is insane for an action game.

>>718231725
Dion in FFXVI is gay and a romance option so it can fuck the MC in the ass, along with some gay NPCs.

Remake didn't explicitly touch the sexuality of the main cast but has a lot of queer NPCs all around, including the fag that dresses Cloud as a woman for the Honeybee part.

>>718245276
I disagree. FF16 combat took a nosedive. That first 15% when melee mattered was my dream FF, than once you kill blondie it becomes a just a timer countdown. The amazing plot is the only thing that saves it. Half loved the story, half didnt get it but we can all agree combat was atrocious.

>>718245326
nta but how much do you think the next upcoming jrpgs will sell? I even doubt p6 will sell as much as p5r (I would buy p1/2 remakes though)

>>718245442
>they're doing that shit as cheap as possible
Doubt it. They'll finish this trilogy off with all the grandiosity and spectacle they possibly can.

>>718245869
I think its a bit of both, as the combat gets worse the story gets better

>>718245868
>a romance option so it can fuck the MC in the ass
That's fake

>>718245445
Oh yeah. I forgot about that

>>718245868
>Dion in FFXVI is gay and a romance option
There are no romance options in the game, it is a preset story

>>718245797
It can easily escape it if the devs want to do it but clearly they are not going to do it

>>718233275
>NTR is popular in Japan right now
It ain't, freak.

Why are there Zack cutscenes in Rebirth lol

>>718245927
Yeah and to achieve that they will cut parts of the game they were going to do but don't have the money for anymore

>>718246165
So Aerith doesn't remain alone when Cloud fucks Tifa

>>718245951
True. Thats my favorite rpg trope. Start off saving kittens and end up killing God. Breath of Fire 3 follows it perfectly.

>>718230652
>>718230870
This explains all the generic shit that looks like it came straight off the Unity asset store.

What is the Japanese obsession of not giving you your whole cast of characters until the last like 25% of the game

>>718246137
Over 50% of all Japanese porn/hentai is NTR

>>718246194
They are not gonna cheap out on it even if it initally doesnt sell that well, the trilogy will be endlessly ported forever

>>718233074
>it turns out you actually need to have played the original to really get what was going on and all the references
This is what happens when you let turbonerds write things.

>>718246194
They won't allow it to be smaller than Rebirth, even though they know it won't be as profitable.

>>718243707
As a fan, this is true and I'm not embarrassed to admit it

>>718246080
>Bro doesnt know about the getting fucked in the ass cheat code

>Vote with your wallet!
>ok I will not watch spirits within because fuck your stupid ass movies
>ok we will make FFVII and FFXV movie YOU RIKE?

>>718246310
They can just touch it up when they port it later

>>718246310
They already cheaped out on the first 2 parts by heavily outsourcing shit to jeets. They'll have half the population of New Delhi in the part 3 credits.

>>718246360
I mean at least they were a step up...

>>718233409
Weren't they supposed to be lovers, then siblings, and eventually both during development?

>>718245869
>The amazing plot
Ah yes, the amazing and innovative
>It was Ancient Alien Gods pulling the strings all along!!

>>718236416
Sells more than Sonic.

>>718246085
If they did, it wouldn't be DQ anymore and the current fans would cry that it's not le heckin wholesome and classic

They could maybe try to ape DBZ's edgy phase

Warms my heart to se 7R take such a brutal beating in every thread while one fanboy screams at everyone to stop.

>>718246430
Outsourcing is pretty standard. NTA but there certainly will not be a quality dip in Part 3.

>>718236672
>the combat is a vehicle for the story and characters
Sperg logic.

>>718246849
t. Schizo larping as a fanboy and then patting his own back

>>718246869
>Outsourcing is pretty standard
Doesn't make it not cheap or shit. You just have no alternatives because corpos all collude behind the scenes to make sure there is no real competition.

>>718230563
There's plenty of things wrong with 7R. The pacing is dogshit, there's a ton of fluff, some new additions like Roche are absolutely awful. The hyper-generic Midgar NPCs are probably Remake's weakest part, but nobody is going to give a fuck about these nobodys in Part 2 and beyond. My main complaint is getting interrupted on an ATB action wipes out that ATB entirely. I get there needs to be a consequence for fucking up timing, but interruoting the action -and- wiping the ATB is a bit much. They really need to fuck off with the boss changing forms midway through fights and stopping your damage and all that bullshit for the sequel though. And fix aerial combat.

>>718246849
He just replied to you lol

>>718247009
Buddy you WISH I was larping as a fanboy, then maybe you'd have some support on your side. I'm out here calling this garbage what it is while you seethe yourself silly.

They already have the world done, of they remove the shitty minigames it will be enjoyable. Personally I can't wait to play as Vincent

>>718244362
>the mobile game AI gatcha remake of FF7
The what?

>>718247239
The mini games were fun. The ones mandatory for story progression should be braindead easy though.

>>718247239
Same. For me, it's Yuffie

>>718246270
Because nerds are losers.

>>718246670
They could do it as a spin off

>>718246453
Yea. I mean it sounds elitist and I know this board hadsn't had the educational opportunities I have but I think the games issue was being too smart. Everyone raves about game of thrones when really its a existential rebutal to Schopenhauer about finding purpose in others. What percentage of the population knows what existential means furthermore has has read Schopenhauer though. So here we are.

>>718247340
Ive just seen pics which look pretty cool. Not sure sure how the gacha elements are integrated.

>>718230563
Must hurt posting this every day and genuinely believing it's going to immediately make everyone who calls these games shit evaporate into dust instead of laughing at you for the next few hours.

>>718247970
Touched nerve bitch reply incoming, I can feel it

>>718247725
Existence proceeds essence, which is at the heart of the conflict with the main antagonist.