Thread 718231137

>remake
no, we are going backwards

>paying money for an update
Lol

This is not a remaster but a compilation of mods from the nexus and other popular sources.
zoom patch,
camera patch,
texture upscaler,
Ultimate Apocalypse Mod,
Redux Mod.
+ LAN play is blocked and all campaigns are combined into one launcher.

oh yeah, that'll be 30 bucks, goy

>>718231137 (OP)
It's shit
next game spend less money on /v/ marketing and spend more on making the game good
sage

>>718231137 (OP)
bought it for a bit but refunded. It doesn't feel good to control which is a shame because there are a lot of builds and fun things to do

>>718231137 (OP)
it's a decent remaster. it's now 64bit instead of 32bit, graphics are nicer, and it's only $17.
while it merges all expansions into one, you cant natively choose which expansion to use in skirmish/mp and are stuck with soulstorm unless you pick up a mod to force it to run through a different expansion. they also made collision boxes tiny to improve pathfinding, but that causes its own problems.
i'd say it's about 60/40 on me recommending it right now but they will be doing a couple patches for bugs/some requested features for the next 2mo.

Even in death I still surf

Tried it, hated it. If I feel like playing DoW I'll just play regular old Dark Crusade.

>>718231137 (OP)
>advertise achievements on steam page
>lelic too dumb to code basic checks or make some 50x50 pixels pictures
>remove achievements from steam page
Not quite CD Projekt levels of "rpg" to "action game with rpg elements" but still kind of pathetic and shows the general lack of care for their product.

Quintessential
>buy it in a few years for 5 bucks or less
game for me, dawg

>>718232670
it never listed achievements on the store page, schizo-kun. at least keep your arguments to actual problems.

Guardsmen have this disgusting shiny effect on their armour now. Fucking hideous.

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.

>>718231464
If true that seems astoundingly judaic

>>718232981
>hoped for competent remaster

Dawn of War is great, but the new one runs at a marginally worse FPS, isn't mod compatible with most things yet, and requires you to use Soulstorm unit lineups in multiplayer and skirmish in a game where everyone stopped updating after Dark Crusade because air units and the two last factions were designed in a dogshit way.

Congrats to all of the people who have been bandwagoning on Dawn of War love up until now who finally played Dawn of War despite always avoiding it because "it's clunky" and "it's old" when it runs just fine on modern PCs in almost the exact same manner all along. You guys really got your placebo, and have access to a good game that you refused to play up until now for the zoomiest of reasons.

>>718233246
>isn't mod compatible with most things yet
Unless they fix a whole bunch of issues it won't be compatible with most of them ever

>>718233246
The pathfinding for old dow was utterly sharted and ruined any attempts to go back
And dc mp sucked, air units, de & sob are worth necrons not being hilariously op and tau only being fairly op

>>718233434
why isnt it mod compatible? works fine for the mods i use

>>718233434
The most popular mods are already compatible. Even Crucible is compatible and they're the ones crying the pathfinding changes alters the game too much.

yeah its not bad, did 2 mp games and a few skirmishes, now 2 factions down in dark crusade campaign (as necrons) lifes good.

>muh pathfinding
>muh competitive multiplayer

>>718231137 (OP)
no we are not

>>718234009
It's even funnier give how it's a LICENSED game.
Not only it's just a glorified ad for another hobby (one which is mutually exclusive with videogames on top of that) but by its very nature is intebded to be garbage.

>>718234278
Shut up you retarded fucking faggot. No one thinks you're funny.

It's dead like 2 days after release. What do you think?

>>718234340
It just broke its concurrent playercount.

>>718231137 (OP)
looked like dogshit.
and why would you pay for a remaster of a single player game?

>>718231464
>Ultimate Apocalypse Mod
>Redux Mod
you wish

>>718234231
retardo here, how is it possible that neither the cpu nor gpu is at 100% and yet the game slows down to a slog. what causes this?

>>718234698
Many such cases.

>>718231137 (OP)
Shill thread

>>718234698
shit american millenial/zoomer coders that used chatgpt to make new version of a game

>>718234392
>It just broke its concurrent playercount.
just 16k despite Steam store banner lmao

>>718235049
16,000 for a 20-year-old RTS with a (rightfully) lower review score is pretty impressive, pedo.

>>718231137 (OP)
waiting for a day 0 patch

>>718231137 (OP)
We are back to the shitty AI

>>718235174
keep shilling, you will lose the job after failure of being able to fund the next relic slop that is dow4

>>718234946
jeetshit detected

>$20-30 and 10x the file size for widescreen and worse performance
Yeah, no.

>>718235679
Maybe you should hire jeets they may they could fix your mess you incompetent ameriniggers

>>718234698
Idling, mostly.
>CPU/GPU waiting for some file/data to be finished being transferred so they can actually start working on it
>Bad load spreading in multi-threads resulting in most core waiting for each others
>Old quirk of the original code being forgotten and not worked around, resulting in utterly broken behaviour
>Plain shitty coders being able to break shit in way computer science didn't even thought was possible

Does it support ultrawide? If not they can fuck right off

>>718234698
Old games especially are bad at distributing workload. Instead of spreading things out to process in parallel using as much of the available cpu resources as possible, things must be done sequentially or else the code breaks, which means most of your cpu is waiting for one task to finish before they start theirs, causing huge bottlenecks without actually fully utilizing available resources.

Sometimes, resources can become reserved for a task that's being stalled behind another task, but so much of the cou becomes reserved that there isn't enough left to deal with the tasks currently underway, causing a compounding bottleneck despite having lots of processing resources to spare.

All of these are problems modern games have but they're much more pronounced in things transitioning from 32 to 64 and from single core to multicore.

>>718231137 (OP)
Nope it's still trash

>>718235576
>>718235473
>>718234231
I notice these have one of those shitty moba-tier DoW2-style UIs. Is that shit able to be toggled off or is this just a strict downgrade in every possible way? I can't otherwise fathom why they fucked up the UI and split it in half, but then kept the scroll button to cycle through selected units as if there wasn't enough screen space for it.

>>718231137 (OP)
I'd like to be back to talking about it here, but ragebaiting summerfags kill all discussion.

>>718231137 (OP)
this is one of my favorite games of all time and i'm not even sure I want this. such a shit remaster

>>718235960
>>718236421
thanks for actually answering the quesiton

>>718236602
there are no customization of anything in this demaster you can't even rebind keys lmao

>>718231137 (OP)
Apart of some small bugs, it's actually very well done.
>>718231464
>This whole post
You are a worse liar than a servant of Tzeentch.

>>718231137 (OP)
Amazing demaster. Even in first cutscene you will get half fps when compared to OG game. I will just install graphics mods on old version and ignore this worthless "definitive edition".

>>718236602
I hate the new UI. You can switch it to the old UI, but how they did it everything gets pulled to the center of your screen. The options tab on the top right, the strategic point tracking, it no longer appears on the side, but towards the center.

lazy reslop by jeets, many such cases

>>718231137 (OP)
Dogshit turd of the highest caliber. Relic need to be shut down and their worthless coders and jeets need to find a job at local mcdonald's

>>718235576
Vs old version always over 100fps can even get closer. It seems like they removed fog of war and everything is rendered at all times in definitive edition and engine can't handle it

APOLOGIZE

Lazy cashgrab might be worth a hoot after several patches and if any modders care to move onto it to take advantage of muh 64 bit

>>718231137 (OP)
>2025 remake

>>718238271
Is something supposed to be wrong with that webm?

>b-but framerate is only bad because you are zoomed out!!!
ok shill now shut the fuck up

>>718240090
I have a decade old computer and are not having anywhere near the issues you are having. Framedrops definitely, but your PC sucks.

>>718240261
>I have a decade old computer and are not having anywhere near the issues you are having. Framedrops definitely, but your PC sucks.
Ok shill my pc is 6 years old and yet only your dogshit jeet coded ai enhanced slop is giving me this much trouble. There are zero excuses for your garbage performance when old game runs at 200-300fps. With "decade old computer " you wouldn't even be able to run it at 10fps

>>718240418
>intel cpu
>amd gpu
you asked for this low fps

>>718236421
>Old games especially are bad at distributing workload.
Anon, Dawn of War came out before multicore CPUs became a product available outside of research labs.
It is a fucking 2004 game. The first commercially available dual-core intel proc cost a house's worth and came out in 2006.
Saying the game is bad at distributing workload is absolute nonsense. It just plain doesn't do anything of the sort.

I understand it's a bit hard to comprehend today but back then tech actually advanced and a game made in 2004 was running paper biplane level old software by 2007 unlike today's world where people don't even realise the game they're playing with fellow undergrads is older than they are.

>>718240496
Shut the fuck up nigger. You know nothing about PC specs, i've been running AMD gpus for my entire life except time when i had gtx 1060. Now kys

>>718240532
yah people are bitching for the sake of it. Game is fun for me and only crashed once on my shitty laptop. its worth the 17$

Is there any reason to play this instead of the original?

>shit performance
>horrendous ai upscaled textures
>laziest methods possible to make UI elements work in widescreen
>can only use soulstorm ruleset for skirmish
>more pathfinding issues than before
That will be 30 buxx, fucker (20 if you own dow)

>>718241002
>Is there any reason to play this instead of the original?
its modernized game. for 17 i would get it not for 29

>>718231137 (OP)
Are they gonna add transgenders and blacks?

>>718241002
zoomed out camera and widescreen support
that's literally it

Relic is selling a collection of shitty user patches and paying the usual jeet retards to promote it. The game is so low effort that they didn’t even add steam achievements and Relic are charging DoW owners for this shit unlike the Company of Heroes updated version. I’m not giving Relic a dime and I’m looking forward to them finally closing down because they couldn’t drum up enough interest in DoW to get a publisher to fund another abortion like DoW3

>>718241002
biggest probably you'd probably have is the 4:3 original resolution.

>>718241002
Yes its vastly better game now.

>>718241002
Literally none.

>>718241075
The original is still perfectly playable, runs on toasters, and has a bunch of cool mods that can be played in multiplayer. "Modernized" isn't a good thing.
>>718241089
Sssoooo, it's just a patch and mod with a $20 price tag and less features? Awesome.

>>718240261
>framedrops definitely

In a 20 year old game. You are beyond retarded for thinking that's normal or acceptable. And to think you can say anyone else's PC is shit to boot. You are without a doubt a pajeet.

>>718231137 (OP)
Yeah. The original Dawn of War was a piece of shit. Fucked pathfinding, crashed all the time, and it looked like the ugliest vomit you ever saw.
The Definitive Edition is leagues better. You get a stable game for modern systems with proper widescreen support, clean and beautiful updated graphics, correct pathfinding finally, and all games in one package. Definitely worth the couple bucks they're asking for. All the trolls are just nitpicking and complaining for no reason cause they're poor third worlders.

>>718241002
Fuck no, it's a total cash grab scam. They broke multiple things and are pretending they "fixed" things that were never issues to begin with.

>>718235757
did jeets already get replaced by ai?

>>718231137 (OP)
>no ultra widescreen support
>multiplayer connectivity issues
>new shadows lag on a 4080 super
shitty cash grab, hope they starve on the street

>>718241559
They lowered unit collusion boxes as a band-aid to fix the pathfinding. That's not fixing it.

>>718241559
Marketer. Literally nothing you posted is even true. Kys

>>718232981
Blessed is the mind too small for doubt

>>718235939
Looks like DoW2 here

Was pathfinding really an issue that needed to be "fixed"?
I never had any issues, even when playing Ultimate Apocalypse with hundreds of dudes moving around at the same time.
All at a solid 30fps which the remaster seems to struggle with lel

>>718241559
>The original Dawn of War was a piece of shit. Fucked pathfinding, crashed all the time, and it looked like the ugliest vomit you ever saw.
Either underage or paid Sikh.

>>718241002
It's objectively superior. Looks better, plays better.
Assuming you intend on playing Dawn of War 1, the only reason not to get it would be to save money, because the original is even cheaper.

>>718237501
>>718237198
Anon
Have you tried turning off AA or at least tune your graphics to be similar to the OG to gauge the actual performance loss?
God, you have zero academic rigor

>>718242079
>paid Sikh.
yes saar, transfer the money now

>>718237828
what for? I love it. I have 700 hours in this game.

>>718241559
Not buying your demaster.

>>718242330
i know anon, you've said this before

>>718240532
seems like something a remaster should correct

>>718241089
That's just a community made patch you can get for free.
This really seems like the equivalent of GOG "remastering" games by slapping price tags on mods that have existed for at least a decade.

>>718242054
Genuinely and unironically no. The marketing for this shit is the most bizarre gaslighting I've ever seen. They have centered all of their bullet points on false claims about things they needed to "fix" in the original that were never actually real problems. Pathfinding has always been fine. Not perfect, but as good as it ever needed to be and did not ruin the gameplay at all. I highly doubt anyone has ever really thought much of it because it's not a big deal.

>>718231137 (OP)
I forgot how shit the WA campaign was. I wish we had gotten something like the first one again

>>718231137 (OP)
Tell me everything that's wrong with this version besides the price

>>718232670
>>718231709
>>718231626
>>718231464
>>718231350
>>718231312
Why does every DoW thread attracts the same samefagging schizo who keeps lying and shitting the threads up?

>>718241782
>Fixes pathfinding
>"I-its not fixing!!"
retard

>>718231137 (OP)
Is there any chance they fix the atrocious performance issues or did they just run away with the money?

>>718242659
new thing bad, even though he never played the old thing

>>718242842
>performance issues
Run it on an actual pc

>>718242842
I think someone posted a vulkan performance patch in /vst/ or something, try it
performance is better than the OG for me, even with the new fancy AA, which looks really nice

>>718231137 (OP)
Not really, but the Definitive Edition is nice. I was playing the remaster and it's nice to have every game under one launcher alongside native larger address space, better camera zoom, and some UI improvements.

>>718242842
at what point do you get performance issues? It's pretty smooth on my machine but i've only played regular 4v4 in multiplayer

>>718242842
Knowing Relic track record they will never fix it unless it's just a bug
>>718242885
>Run it on an actual pc
kill yourself now you telemarketer of relic i'm tired of you indian jeets how much are they paying you to shill???

Is the original worth playing?

>>718242790
It's not fixed, fartsniffer. They replaced one problem with another. Because there's barely any collusion you can stack units on top of each other so you no longer have to worry about unit placement and their range. You can group up 5 melee units and have them target down a hero because they no longer collide with eachother.

>>718242953
another hired shill by Relic that plays with shadows off

>>718242949
It's mostly a quality of life / convenience product.
I can understand some people think it's not worth it if they're fine with the OG.

>>718242659
I know you're a paid advertiser.
>>718242468
As an RTS oldfag, I can't help but notice quirks and such like pathfinding in games. I've always thought DoW had some of the better pathfinding for the time. Trying to move multiple squads through a choke point works surprisingly well, while in my favorite game ever, Warcraft 3, units absolutely struggle to do the same.
I've found to look at DoW squads not as individual units, but as blobs. Like, ignore the actual graphics and just focus on the outline of the selected units. They sorta flow like a thick liquid around boundaries and other squads. When you force them through narrow areas, it's like liquid physics almost.
Surprisingly good pathfinding. It truly was never a problem in any way, quite the opposite.

>>718243065
dude just fucking kys at this point. I was genuinely asking out of curiosity.
>hired shill by Relic
i wish

>>718243065
I play with Shadows OFF and I get like 24FPS in Ultimate Apocalypse (1440p), but it's stable, unlike the OG, which fluctuates between 2FPS and 89FPS randomly

>>718243001
Dark Crusade was one of the best games of 2006

>>718243175
>Trying to move multiple squads through a choke point works surprisingly well

You know what I always wanted in my DoW remaster? Sisters of Battle with AI-upscaled moustaches.

>>718243065
What're your PC specs?

>>718243065
Why does this shit look like every modern game at low settings with DLSS on ultra performance? It's got that same horrible super blurry vaseline through a film grain filter look. Awful

>>718243175
You're absolutely right. Same as the Company of Heroes games. It just works.

>>718243260
It's the opposite for me. I don't know what they did with the remake, but something really doesn't agree with my machine.
The original plays consistently at 30+fps with UA and hundreds of units, including titans even, on the largest maps with permanent corpses/gore enabled.

>>718243375
what the fuck is that forehead jesus fucking christ

>>718242982
>telemarketer
Way to out yourself schizo

>>718243404
You are retarded and mindbroken by /v/'s incessant chanting. The AA in def.ed. looks fucking amazing.

@718243782
Pathetic bait

>>718243240
fuck off you little jeet brown bitch you will never be white and know how to code
>>718243392
how many times are you retards going to ask this look at the thread

>>718243515
If I remember correctly, there's a guy that made waaaay better Sister units with fancier graphics that are popularly used. My favorite is the retributor, they're very pretty. Also ridiculously good units, I LOVE suppressive fire mechanics.

I guess the models were originally from the Daemon Hunters mod, but they're in Ultimate Apocalypse too for the SoB.

>>718231137 (OP)
It didn't age Well, even Dow 2 multiplayer Is better
Lets play broodwar, aoe or w*rcraft anons

>>718243404
Don't base what the game looks like based off of images of a guy who can't run the game on low.

>>718244583
I love Warcraft 3 like you wouldn't believe, dude. I would love for all of us to get together and play sometime.
It would have to be unofficial though, likely using gameranger.
Protip! Hiveworkshop has links to download every patch of the game, as in, the full game. You can do what I do where I Google "Warcraft 3 reign of chaos CD code" as well as for the Frozen Throne, and the first result gives you one. It's that fucking easy. Now, you can't play on official servers that way, hence gameranger being necessary.
I've been wanting to get together some Anons to play some of the good ol custom games, like LoaP and my favorite, fuckin FOOTMEN FRENZY, random pick, maybe rerolls if you're a bitch I guess. I dunno, I prefer -ar without rerolls.

>>718234231
>that'll be $30 plus tax plus tip plus fuck you, goy
meanwhile the og runs flawlessly

>>718244583
DoW2 in general has always been better. Better gameplay top to bottom. I'm glad this demake is killing off the nostalgia blindness over this game at least, it was long past time for /v/ to stop fellating Dark Crusade.

Some direct performance comparisons, played Ultimate Apocalypse mod:
OG: https://d.uguu.se/aEHXoHlv.webm
New: https://o.uguu.se/GmslArXV.webm
It's an improvement. Not 10x, but an improvement, nonetheless.
And Definitive Edition had Anti-aliasing ON as well, which wasn't in the OG.

>>718244993
I'd be up for that anon. love me some retro games gameranger. played age of mythology recently

>>718245204
DoW2 sucks compared to DoW1. I have never seen so many DoW2 fans come out since this remaster was announced. People just love to be contrarian.

>>718245368
oh btw links will die in 3 hours

>>718245204
Eh, I still prefer the first game, but agree that DoW2 is really good though.
I'm one of the 5 people in the entire world who prefers Soulstorm however, so I know my tastes are already too niche for the majority of players.
Deldar is my favorite faction, they're just as fun to play in RTS as they are in tabletop. Few greater joys than loading up some splinter riflers into a raider with some hellions and reavers to absolutely SMACK the enemy around a bit before zooming away to do it all again. It's been a while since I've played, but did any of the mods add venoms yet? I love those things, they're an absolute terror on tabletop if you use them correctly.

>>718245204
DoW 2 is literally a completely different genre of game. Comparing it with the classics is just retarded ragebaiting.

>>718231137 (OP)
I have just one question, does the campaign in DC/SS follow the DC balance or the SS balance? Playing DC on hard was fine because the increase in stats is like +/-25%, in SS it's 50% both ways which turn it into either cheese fest or CBT depending on the race you play.
If I can get DC balance in SS campaign I might actually buy it.

>>718245413
Nah, I agree with him. I prefer DoW1, but can admit 2 is the superior 40k RTS. Not only is it closer to actual tabletop, but it's just mechanically superior. Like, when you want a squad to get behind cover, not only is there a snap selection you can see if how the entire unit will organize itself, but there are multiple options based on where you move the mouse while holding the button. It's shit like that that makes DoW2 just outright better.

>>718245676
>retarded ragebaiting.
That's exactly what he's doing
Being retarded and ragebaiting.
And that is pretty much all the recent Dawn of War threads.

>>718237754
man i hate demake fags so much

I'm doing a summary for every retard possible. Bare in mind that we have there either paid marketers or worse, actual devs or fools doing it for free, arguing in bath faits, so

>for all
game can pefrom poorly with or withou shadows. Even on good and best PC builds for no known reasons. It doesn't hurt much when playing vanilla, but DC, SS and modded big battles are painful
The bandaid fix to unit apthign is the msot retarded one - lowering box so ahrd that you can nearly pxiel perfect stack units in one spot
Deathballs are a thing now. Ughhh.

>I'am casual playing SP campaign only on easy/med
Game looks better, the clipping actually removes the micromanagement for you. You can play each story without random crashes, long load times. it's a better experience than original but just a little and msotly by letting you control better your army
>same as above but hard/insane
some units have bugged dps ratio, things like defiler's bugged attack speed is back. Due to clipping, enemy can make a deathballs in his strongold, nearly instakilling anything that comes into range from T1 to relic units. Some units are bugged like Killa kan, orc mech having 700+ dps in story against everyone, making him stronger than eldar avatar of khane. Also because of clipping, any aoe defences in strongold makes it impossible to breach unless you retrofit your army to teleport/deepstrike inside, cheese, or throw bodies like red army


1/2

>>718246041
2/2
>I'm playing multiplayer
clipping again. It introduces deathballing, it also introduces stackable melee units being capable of shutting down relics and commanders in second. Races that can deepstrike or use stealth melees are OP, mainy necron flayed ones and dark eldar mandrakes. Mandrakes stacking can shut down one player up to T3, meaning that any 2v2 and 3v3 devolves into 1v2 and 2v3. Even if the ahrrased player commits to peeling off mandrakes rush, eldar finds himself full on resources and jsut do a ravager rush for free victory. Necron can spam flayed ones for free morale deletion and abuse excess power to gie it to allies and pwoer up his 3-4 HQ waiting in line to be awoken into instawin button unit, ebcause of clipping, necron aoe long range gauss beam becomes mandatory in any serious game to clear off deathballs. Races with weak or straight up no melee liek tau and sisters are basically greifing at this point

>I'm interested in mods
relic backpeddled on promises, and now tells modders to fix UI themselves, while waiting for 2 big patches. The original concept was to publish the seamless working game. But it seems publisher needed money faster. You can read bug report of one of better known modmaker here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DoF25uRSKdqej9bpYjeJl1dGYHMNuiimaNXZ3c9qzOA/edit?tab=t.0
In short, outside performance fixes, it fixes nearly no bugs, while introducing news. Publisher expects you to buy the game and then get the actual fixes later
Crucible mod team straight up said they're not gonna work on DE version until relic gets his head out of the ass
Unification mod team decided that if theyw ant to start it's better to make a mod from scrath than dela with this massive bullshit
UA mod team attempted conversion but right now they're trying not to covnert into suicidal maniacs due to fuckery they see

>>718246041
>Due to clipping, enemy can make a deathballs in his strongold,
I could clip my units in the original Soulstorm though so not sure why is this being brought up.

>>718246041
>>718246129
holy fuck I actually need to split it in 3

Various smaller mods, mapmakers and mods/custom maps that are no longer supported by creators are fucked
as another retarded practice by develoeprs of many games, mod folder was moved to %appdata% folder for WInsows OS, further clogging your OS partition whee mods range from 4gb(UA, Crucible) to 32gb(unification)

>>718243175
>I've always thought DoW had some of the better pathfinding for the time.
what the FUCK?

How do I get good? I really wanna increase my APM at the very least before thing to manage units better

>>718246204
it's impossible to make a clipping deathball in original SS like one you can do right now

>>718246041
Funny how i have had literally none of these issues. Definitely not a butthurt discord tranny modder making shit up

>>718246227
Yeah dude, pull up the OG, pick Into The Breach, train a few squads and maybe even some vehicles, and force them all through the breach at the same time.

Sorry, jews won't trick me into buying what I already own twice, just because they slapped some shitty AI textures there and made it run worse.

t. played Dawn of War since 2004

>>718246250
get a consistent build order for the faction you're playing

>>718246290
I have never experienced crashing in either the original DoW or DoW2. I feel like the shills have successfully gaslit people into believing this shit.

>>718246402
of course you have none of these issues, because you're simply not allowed to play the game durning working hours
everything written there can be easiyl checked. And doc have literal screen for paid marketers to ignore

>>718246561
Whats the go to for Chaos?

>>718246538
same, fuck that. it should be free to og owners not fucking -30% off of an inflated price

>>718246596
Sure bro everybody who doesnt believe the word of a trannycord mod author is a paid shill!

>>718246608
>>718246561
>build orders in DE
you enemy is either necron that spawns flayed ones 24/7 onto your base, or you're the poor guy targeted by invisible mandrakes
bonus point, you get swarmed by other chaos guy spamming raptors
enjoy

wtf is in the free anniversary edition?

>>718246709
yeach, what about producing an actual argument?

>>718246586
Sound Bug is well known lol, but go ahead, keep pretending to be retarded. Be my jester

>muh pathfinding
What is micro?

>>718234231
>need a 5090 to play a 20 year old game at 1080p without it being a slideshow
grim

>>718246709
>call a modmaker a tranny
>proceed to play his mods anyway
funny how sucking tranny dicks doesn't bother you when you're the one slurping

>>718245826
>I have just one question, does the campaign in DC/SS follow the DC balance or the SS balance?
Remastered WA has stats of og campaign so others probably are following og game stats. But skirmish is using Soulstorm stats

A game from 2004 has performance issues? I played it on my shitty laptop in like 2007

>Forcing everyone to play on SS 'patch'
What were they thinking?

>>718231312
fpbp
/thread

>>718246250
Depends on what faction you pick.
My wife, who I got interested in 40k as a setting, had never played any of the games prior to DoW. She also, to a much lesser extent, got into RTS through me watching WC3 tournies, I treat it like it's my football. Anyway,
One day, I convinced her with the help of a friend to play DoW with us. Her first RTS and her first 40k game. Friendo recommended spehss muhreens, but I knew better and told her to play orks instead, she likes those retards. After giving her a brief rundown of the controls, I just told her to keep training boyz. Nonstop boyz. The only thing keeping you from making moar boyz is your amount of waaagh banners and control points.
So in our free for all, she ended up being a huge threat just from the constant stream of works we had to face nonstop.
The funniest part? I had forgotten to tell her how to reinforce squads, so she was just sending the basic unupgraded lads at us the whole time and even at that, we struggled.
Tl;dr skill ceiling depends on the faction. IMO deldar is hardest, orks are easiest

>>718246402
You don't have those issues because relic hired you as a shill and haven't even provided copy of the game to you they just gave you a couple of pics to shill

>>718247023
Is Soulstorm really that bad?

>>718247115
SS always seemed like a cash grab, even back in the day. New factions and units were just so awful, low effort and ugly.

>>718231137 (OP)
The dev for Redux mod says there are some problems with the ui right now, so he has to wait for some patch. I'm doubting on buying DE, gonna wait until mods work properly

Dark Crusade and Soulstorm are so fucking boring. Those "campaigns" are the most soulless and dull grind imaginable. I enjoy skirmish matches against bots, but not like this. It's so bad.

>>718231312
after checking the thread I think this is where it should have ended
/thread

>>718247287
As campaigns I 100% agree with you. They can hardly be called that at all they're just fucking bot skirmishes.
That being said I love Dark Crusade because I enjoy skirmish matches against bots.

>>718247287
But I can't do this in anything prior to soulstorm

>>718241002
It fixes the biggest problem the game had: poor stability. So yes it's worth it, unless you want to worry about alt-tab crashing the game.

>>718242054
Yes. A single unit from a squad getting permanently stuck in a wall is a bitch and a half.
UA already had some improved pathfinding so it's not a good point of comparison.

>>718247480
>the slave girls are SoB in SS
Probably the funniest thing in DOW

>>718247287
yeah though when dc came out it was at least novel. soulstorm doing the same thing but bigger plus the retarded flying units was an utter disapointment

>>718246206
This is so stupid I hate when developers do this.

LegendsofTotal war is streaming M2TW right now and he said he knows something about DoW and relic he cant say loud about, then showed 4 fingers.

>>718248480
cool. hope they won't double down on the mobashitication we've seen in dow3

>>718247287
Dark Crusade was cool. I am talking about the OG version, of course.

>>718248480
mandated primaris trash nty

>>718231137 (OP)
Multi-monitor cursor lock isn't working

Pathfinding has been improved slightly but is still ass once you control large units

Despite having a larger UI thanks to modern monitors they did not stretch the bottom menu so it can fill more unit cards

The AI is 2000s tier dogshit and they don't control large armies even if they could spawn them, they'll keep sending only pockets of their main force

>>718248480
I have little faith in this. DoW3 was awful, and AoE4 and CoH3 aren't great either. They also have turned CoH3 into the a microtransaction nightmare and all they care about is adding paid skins to the game. Relic is not a good developer anymore and not a consumer friendly company.

>>718231137 (OP)
I am sure the studio responsible for the decade long decline of the company of heroes series will not fuck up remastering a 20 year old game, right?

Is this a slower, clunkier version of SC2? Because I've watched some gameplay and that's the feeling I'm getting.

>>718248480
I could see that happening but I don't know if it'd end up good. Maybe if they had someone cracking the whip like Microsoft was for AoE 4.

>>718246206
>mod folder was moved to %appdata%
I miss times when saves and mods were in the same folder as the game installation

>>718249808
It's a slower and clunkier Company of Heroes. It's the same genre though, so sure.

>>718242659
Shitting on new releases is all he does on this board, every day, every waking minute. The mind of a terminally online neet with nothing to strive for in life.

I'm getting a strong feeling the "remaster" was vibe coded by jeets. Tempted to pirate and decompile just to see.

>>718245368
So uh, no one has anything to say about this?

>>718250125
Do it and share your findings, faggot

>>718249931
you can easily see that it's not one but several people
and even if thres like 1 lie and other arguments are far streched, there's still a lot of valid criticism that retards like you throw away as muh terminally onlien troon jeet or whatever, making the argument about paid marketing more and more believable
also, thanks to those despicable terminally online gamers, DoW1 survived long enough on mods to get to this point, so it's basically the normalfag that eat every shit possible that is not welcomed here

>>718250145
sorry m8 im not clicking any links on 4chan out of principle

>>718246206
>mod folder was moved to %appdata% folder for WInsows OS, further clogging your OS partition whee mods range from 4gb(UA, Crucible) to 32gb(unification)
It makes Defective Edition completely non valid for the most users that use smaller SSDs. Can we at least make symlink and point it to another direction to fool win that it's still %appdata%?

>>718247256
Don’t forget the changes made to the campaign map. Apparently designed to stop camping turns for resource gain just made it easier to do that. Also the stronghold missions being even more of a mixed bag of difficulty and sometimes failing preset events just not happening.

>>718250125
Nothing jeets and AI. It's dogshit, no redeeming qualities.

>>718249931
Then leave, you dumb faggot marketer.

>>718249931
I know you're a paid advertiser.

>>718250145
are you the one posting? what rules did you use?
tetsed it too and if I use custom race like Inquisition, daemons etc. It tanks FPS
adeptus titanicus and rules enabling some bigger battles straight up doesn't work or break the game(bigger pop cap, auto reinforcement etc.)
also 99% of the time poeple are getting SCAR fatal error when attempting multi
tk:dr can you screen your rules applied, want to check how it works for me
>>718250262
from what I heard the mod manager guy is attempting to deal with it somehow. Some older release of his mod manager works too
>>718250262
It's not even about smaller SSD, it's fucking stupid as fuck to clog OS partition with more and more bullshit NOT related to how OS works People make OS aprtitions for a fuckign reason and it's not to help some shitskins run their game

>>718250256
I forgot we had /wsg/
>>>/wsg/5949749

>>718249431
>The AI is 2000s tier dogshit
Remember the lead a.i coder for dawn of war 1 famously said it is okay for the a.i to cheat as long as they don't get caught....about a game where the a.i gets caught cheating all the fucking time.

>>718250635
theres no fps graph but desu it looks unplayable in both webms, i thought about maybe trying the game for the first time but cant imagine playing when game stutters like that.

Normal people are capable of handling criticism in matters of personal taste. Normal people tend not to give a shit if someone dislikes something they enjoy.
So I implore you to ask, why would an Anon here choose to digitally crucify himself in defense of a newly released game? Are his very strong opinions and inability to handle even the suspicion of criticism about a product he has no personal ties to truly his own? Do normal people really act like that?

I have a skill called patern recognition.
I see you, shill. I hope you're getting paid decently to post here, but you're really not good at blending in.

>>718250719
Pretty sure all RTS AI cheat on higher difficulties, it's just that they didn't even attempt to improve the AI or bring it to somewhat modern standards

Normal = enemies get less 50% of their health you get 50% more
Hard = enemies get 100% of their health
Insane = enemies get 150% more health

>>718250584
Core: Apocalypse Rules
Win/Lose: Annihilate
Game Timer

OG game factions, I'm not sure which is vanilla, which is custom:
Necrons, Chaos Demons (the faction that allows end-game Daemon that can shit out 10 Daemon Princes), Sororitas, SM, Tau
Definitive Edition:
Necrons, Daemon Hunters, Tau, Orks, Sororitas, Chaos SM

>>718251025
Vanilla game might perform better. The mod features AI using all the new shit given to them.

>>718251390
thanks, will run it like that with debugger too, hopefully I'll find something useful

They should remove the Soulstorm unit caps and increase or flat out remove the infantry/vehicle caps altogether as a toggle.

>>718249931
has it ever occured to you that new releases from gigacorps all suck and deserve to be shat on?

The Blood Ravens in skirmish/multiplayer are GW Nu-Primaris slop with black aquilas, Relic should correct this to the original where they don gold aquilas like the ones you control in the campaign

You can't change the aquila trim since it's tied to the pauldron linings

I warned ya fags, nuRELIC would shit on this hard

>>718251831
Wut? Are you retarded?

>>718231312
>remake
not even remotely close

ai slop

the leman russ is too accurate when the ai controls it but is totally ass when the player uses it
is this a tabletop holdover? are leman russes inaccurate in the tabletop?
i lost 5 fully kitted out spess mehreen squads and two assault squads against a squiggoth and 7 ork leman russes shooting at me

>>718251831
You're both dumb, lame, AND gay. Proceed to neck yourself, fagotron.

>>718231137 (OP)
>A-a-are we back, RTS Chads?
Never left. A lot of games still have active communities.
Also pic related is the peak of the genre.
Not shitting on other games but if you want to make a new RTS it should be fun with good solo missions and story.
Multiplayer will stick if the game is good enough, if not who cares.

Even easier to spot that game contains AI slop textures coming through filter probably Remacri or Digital Art. So damn lazy. It's a crime to not disclouse that on Steam while releasing game

>>718233537
>The pathfinding for old dow was utterly sharted and ruined any attempts to go back
Well lucky for you they fixed it. All they had to do was remove unit collision and thereby ruin unit balance by letting 10 Boyz stack onto one unit to destroy it in a couple seconds, and viola, they fixed the pathfinding.
Talk about a monkey paw.

>>718251337
Well at least dawn of skirmish exists.

>>718252994
Big oof

someone forget to put it through ai filter just like some chaos units and their bolters? lmao, defective edition is even more lazier than i previously thought

>>718252904
AoE2 DE is the standard that all remasters and remakes should aspire to EXCEPT for the part where the devs decided to crank out soulless new dlc and ruin the game afterward.

>>718253107
BIGGER OOF

>>718252994
Those fucking chaos stars, lmao
But yeah it's especially silly since the developers even admitted that they fucked up with their AI unit portraits

ai slopa part 5

>>718252994
>>718253183
I knew it. I knew this garbage was AI. You would think Nightdive did this with how shoddy and AI generated it is. Relic is a dead studio, there's no coming back from this.

>>718253196
It's the "if there is no new content every month, players will leave" mindset.
Riot/League brainrot essentially. If a game is good enough, a community will stick to it.

I get keeping mod compatibility, but the fact they didn't add new content makes it really frustrating, especially with only a midding discount for existing owners. I mean I look forward to what the mods will be able to do with the newer platform, but fuck even compared to AoEII / AoE 3 much less the AoM Remake this is a bit disappointing for the cost. If you're new to the game then by all means get this version, but otherwise its hard to feel its a good idea - same with what they did with Space Marine Definitive Edition.

Zero changes to chaos units. Their jeet ai "coder" forget to put those textures into Upscayl and nobody even knew they just launched it without checking lmao

>>718253325
Is it really that hard to get someone to spend ~5 minutes per texture in GIMP to upscale it properly instead of using AIslop?

>>718253448
Why should you waste precious manhours if you can just prompt it, who gives a fuck, everyone still buys your shit no matter how sloppy it is

>>718253448
You expect too much from lazy talentless millennial/zoomer devs that only know UE5 and it's automation.

Too lazy to put Berserkers into their AI enhanced tool i guess? So far most of their units were not touched at all.

>>718253550
You don't need to prompt anything you can use this

>>718242659
why can't you accept the fact that not everyone has to love the things you do ?

>>718253424
I really do not get people being upset there's no new content. You can't trust Relic to do a quality job, a job worth purchasing for anyway. You do not want Relic making DoW4. Mods already add what you could want even if some of them have gay anime shit and have their own issues. The thing is Relic won't do better and they'll make you pay for it on top of it.

>>718253448
That's the purpose of the AI anon, you don't need a graphics dude and dozens other people to do a simple thing in 5min, you just need the one AI guy to do all of that.

>>718253719
What exactly did you prove here

>>718253719
the people that loves the thing get actually angry when fucked with definitive cashgrab like this

>>718253719
Because he's clearly a paid influencer.

>>718253424
Aoe was backed by Microsoft so they had to put more effort while Dow1 remaster is just free easy cash for them with zero effort.

>>718253627
I'm guessing the only factions/units that received any touch ups are ones that appear in main campaign missions or cutscenes.

>>718251324
The irony in this post is staggering

>>718253368
Nightdive would never do this shit.
Relic on the other hand...

This is why i trust them to get mechwarrior 2 and Mechcommander SRC

>>718253738
Then they need to drop the price or GTFO. A couple of technical improvements to let the modders fix things properly is one thing. However, its obvious that other "old" RTS like AoEII and AoEII plus AoM all got remastered/remade versions that not only had graphical/technical updates but added new content to make it worthwhile and for comparable prices. If you're going to just slap a couple fixes on shit or upscale something then make it a patch on an old edition or a DLC upgrade for no more than $10.

>>718253864
That does't mean it should be acceptable, especially if you're going to remaster something. Either make improvement cheaply and with technical competence so that those who make modded content after all this time have a better canvas (if you're not going to do it yourself), or put forth the actual effort to remaster the thing properly instead of a cash grab. Hell, get Microsoft onboard to help them if need be; isn't Relic involved with AoEIV or something?

>>718251324
Exactly. It's how you spot them every single time. It is inorganic and unnatural to go full defense force over anything. The only exceptions are paid employees who are posting here as their job or genuine schizophrenics like the Nintendo cultists.

>>718253921
Nah it's wrong. Chaos vehicles got upgraded with ai slop (they look much softer), but not heroes and demons that always appeared on the screen. Remember SINDRI screaming dude? yeah he is still with low res textures

:O (remastered)

>>718254391
NEW BASEDJAK DROPPED

>>718254296
Then there's truly no rhyme or reason to it other than they forgot/ran out of time/didn't feel like it. Makes no fucking sense.

>be brainlet
>can never tell when there's supposed ai upscaling going on
Feels bad man

>>718254724
When it gets too detailed and too soft at same time then it's ai slop most likely. Obviously they could be using two different types of ai enhancements. Necrons were obviously very ai enhanced

>Why fix clunky mechanics when we can pay some Indian guys $20 to run it through chatgpt for us?
>Why upscale textures when we can pay some Indian guys $20 to run them through upscayl for us?
>Quality control? Let's just pay some Indian guys $20 to do that.
>Compiling? Indian guys, $20, do it.
>Advertising? You fucking guessed it, Indian guys, $20
>Shit, we're getting criticism. Better pay some Indian guys $20 to post on social media for us
>Shit shit shit, company insiders are starting to talk about it, quick, pay the Indian guys in HR and management $20 to shut them up
>Uh oh, popular Internet personalities are shitting on all our Indian guys' hard work! Better pay the Indian moderators $20 to give them channel strikes
>Say, let's pay some Indian guys $20 to count all our profits for us
>sure is hard being a game dev, huh Rahj?

>>718255550
India supapowa 2025. They will remaster all your fav games with help of AI!

I do wonder if they still started the whole DE project if there was no AI tools

>>718231137 (OP)
Is this a good RTS to start with?

>>718255551
>everyone's face when they see the soul sucked out of a classic game by pajeets and AI filters for the 157900th time this year

>>718255551
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6-ZGAGcJrk&list=RDq6-ZGAGcJrk&start_radio=1

hahahahahhahahaha shit looks like it's Time Splitters 2

This is a strange timeline where the janitor is fixing Warcraft 3 Reforged back to 1.26 and Dawn of War is FUCKED because Games workshop is back to its 2000's corrupt standards but now with trannies at nottingham, pedos running the company to the ground and the rap of the old media to satisfy their new overlords at the gubment.
40k trully died at 4e as WHFB died with Warrior Priests of Sigmar

>>718255737
I always recommend people start with the bare basics with Warcraft 2 and go from there, but yeah, DoW is a pretty simple RTS. It's pretty much all about snowballing faster than your opponents. The more points on the map you control, the more dudes you can make, so the more points you can control, and so on.

both got raped by Ai filters

>>718256054
>mfw

>>718256054
Ya know, their cars are starting to really resemble Fable 1 characters.

>>718256157
Dunno why faces got corrected to cars, especially since the tanks are just outright bad instead of charming

>>718256109
better hide you crons or else their nose holes will get broken

I keep getting crashes after multiplayer lobby countdown. But If I do auto matches its fine...

>>718231137 (OP)
Not until mods get updated

>>718256749
pls understand saar programming difficult saar patch soon ok thank you saar

>>718256054
vs DC model

Tell those fuckers to remove dirt from visors

>>718255737
one of the best, yeah.

>>718242659
because zoomers are poor and complaining is free

>>718252994
vs DC model (no ai slop)

>>718257441
remaster looks better lol.
am i not supposed to believe my lying eyes?

>>718241002
Pathing is better

>>718257534
This. I don't get it. It's the same thing but much sharper. Why the fuck would I want to play this shit with dogshit lowres textures?

>>718257534
>>718257831
Enjoy your artifacting garbage ai slop. You may as well have snakes swimming inside your bolt pistol

>>718254148
I think this remaster is a little expensive at $17. I'm happy to pay for it because I know modders are going to to come in and fix it up. No one should have to rely on modders to improve their game though. The lack or QoL in this release is disappointing. No individual keybind edits and no ability to choose which version to play in multiplayer. They should probably also allow us to choose between the old pathfinding or not incase they decide to rebalance the game based on the smaller collison boxes.

>>718257991
I can actually tell that the one on the right is supposed to be armor. The thing on the left? What the fuck is that? Carpet armor? lmao

>>718258095
eat that ai slop turd mate

>>718257991
>we have to contend endlessly with bloviating faggots praising and denigrating a.i. now

>>718257991
This is the power of the mighty "ai" that culture war tards and pajeets said will usher in a golden age for gaming?

This is it?

ABHOR THE ABOMINABLE INTELLIGENCE

>>718258301
Why do you talk like a fucking advertisement?

>>718258489
What?

>>718258885
ai artifacts all over the model

I know some unemployed-ass modder will fix the textures FOR FREE instead of doing something productive in his life, so it's all good in the end.

sometimes more detail is not a good idea

>>718254884
>>718255861
>>718257268
>>718257991
>>718258179
I think it looks pretty good

>>718259563
you arent allowed to say that.

If I cared about GRAFIX I wouldn't be playing a 20+ year old game
What worries me is the """pathfinding fix""" being achieved by literally removing unit collision
Don't have to worry about pathfinding if there's nothing in your way, rite fellow programmers?

>>718259563
And that's why you will have ai slop in every single game now. Enjoy your semen covered units and objects

>>718259664
Thank you saar that will be $20 saar thank you come again

>>718231137 (OP)
So are these threads being resisted so hard because SEGA's paying shills to entice people to go back to Anniversary Edition where they still get a portion of the profit?

>>718259664
>What worries me is the """pathfinding fix""" being achieved by literally removing unit collision
That implies vehicles can go through units, do they?

>>718259871
Everyone already has the original DoW1 sitting in their Steam libraries for over a decade, and the only audience the demaster has is nostalgiafags who already have the game and were hoping to play their bloated mods without crashing all the time.
The original also goes for single digit price in sales so SEGAy wouldn't earn much from it anyway.

>>718259950
yes
you can also stack them
you can make literal deathball of stacked vechicles
meanwhile, the same tank can still get stuck perma on terrain even with this "fix"

Main thing I'm hoping for is now the engine is 64bit, people can really start to up the model detail and mod a real remaster, maybe back import DoW2 models back into DoW1.

>>718231312
You're an idiot and contribute to the decline of this website.

>>718260235
give me sec I'll load my autosave from campaign
I had 5stack of preds fucking eldars like no tommorow

>>718259950
LOL
LMAO
>>718260235
Nah. You ever seen that one StarCraft 1 exploit, where with a bit of clicking, you can get a group of mutalisks all stacked on top of one another as though they were a single unit?

>>718259871
>>718260303
>>718259563
>>718258095
5 cents has been deposited to your relic account

>>718260161
I'M GOING TO ALICE, IT IS A GOOD PAIN

>>718245052
It literally does not. The original has the same fucking slowdown with a shitload of troops on screen.

>>718260392
kek, holy fuck, and my game broke
no saves, random shit nokey, holy fuck
skirmish then

>>718236040
Yes.

>>718260524
I posted in the wrong tab, sorry.

>>718260614
forgot pic, so have a new one from map selector

>>718260551
it never goes as low as 12fps so og is much superior

>>718260687
well, I tried

>>718231137 (OP)
Were Eldar Guardians always this fucking strong?

>>718260773
pls redeem $40530 saar

>>718260773
so no proof of vehicle stacking then. cool thanks

>>718243037
ahh, so that's why my guardsmen all bunched up into a fleshblob and got deleted with a bombardment. kinda fucked up.

>>718260887
>>718261171
took em some time retard, I was playing skirmish
tried with predators, but due to SS rules i can only have 2 of them, so i went with speeders who are also limited to like 12 (vanilal campaign DoW have no limit on predators)
pick related when moving, no attack, just moving

>>718261171
>>718260887
and this is durning fight, took 2 screens with near exact stacking. If they werent dropping like flies i woudl stack them better

>>718261846
looks like your poorshit pc is breaking down kek

also screens with vehicle stacking, especially in modders doc was posted already, multiple times, so you're either a fucking tourist or brownoid yourself

>>718261964
>no argument
>implying poor PC
>implying 3rd world
sure thing rajeesh, I've seen that tactic already, but it's the game you're being paid to shill for that breaks, not my PC

>>718231137 (OP)
>no pathfinder fix
Slop

>>718261171
don't get too close as you may explode

>>718261964
Relic nigger again with same tired worthless argument for the millionth time. Go eat curry Rahish

now I can't be defeated

also, someone yesterday was talking about orc bot having retarded damage
I made a screen. This dude rapes commander in 4 seconds
Meanwhile, Khaine have 1k damage in tooltip, yet he goes 1v1 with commander for like 20seconds, tanking it while marines shoot him down. Meaning there's some bug to RoF that isn't original defiler one

>>718261964
>gets blown the fuck out
>IMMEDIATELY starts moving goal posts
I don't know whats more amazing, the fact that Relic actually is paying people to shill for a 20 year old game, or the fact that brown retards like you willingly accept the job.

what difficulty should I play on? is normal ez baby mode? is insane just max lvl bots or is it unfair?

>>718263792
everything up to hard is practically easy because enemy never attack in any sizeable or threatening force that could destroy you
depending on race you pick, you can struggle due to enemy stronghold abusing clipping and creating instadeath zones where 10 squads shoot at you at once

>>718263792
The rule of RTS games is play whatever's comfiest. Normal is fine for first run fun. Once you learn missions you can spice it up, go faster on higher difficulties, and really master the game if you're into that.
If you do want to get good, use a few of the hotkeys like , and . to select idle workers and units.

>>718260228
The fuck is that?

>>718259871
Glad I'm not the only one that thought Sega hired the brown guy screeching in this thread.

never played a supcom
should i play the og or FA first?

>>718265142
start with vanilla
FA campaing have upped difficulty level, but easy is still easy especially with balance letting you spam experimentals

I hate replenishing units mid combat.

>>718264630
DoW2 modded

>>718262808
you realize ... that's normal, right? AoK is giant damage sponge that gives you faction wide buffs. any high base damage melee unit can also just get really lucky or unlucky on their hit rolls

>>718265142
Original for sure.
Pick your favorite faction and have fun in the campaign.
Avoid SupCom 2, it is a bastard sequel. Game's completely different in some real bad ways.

>>718265276
You can right click the button to have them reinforce automatically.

>>718234231
AMD chuds in shambles
just buy nvidia retard

>>718265692
Yea but that doesn't stick after they're full. And regardless I don't really mind clicking the replenishment button as much as the idea of dudes being teleported one by one into the war zone while the squad is in combat. It's uncool.

Farseer sexo

>>718265850
I distinctly remember toggling on auto reinforce and it staying on until the whole squad dies in the original.
You're right about the mechanic itself functioning out in the field though, it is pretty lame.

>>718265539
yes, thats normal with values from your screen
but like we talked yesterday in the same thread, no way that dredd can chunk 1.2k hp commander on hard dificulty(that doesn't amplify damage) in 4 seconds in 2nd mission
even more hilarous was 4th mision, where you have 2 of them just before squiggoth ramp
fuckers instagibed one dreadnought, gibbed damaged second one and killed off assault marine squad before rocket tacticals nuked them. And dreadnought have like 4k hp there

>>718266015
>t. Vindicuck

>>718266015
how do you like fucking a literal cold bone scupulture?

Goddamn, playing through the DC campaign as orks and the fact that you get a warboss instead of a t1 commander like all other factions at the start of each mission just kinda breaks the skirmish levels. He's *really* strong, even unupgraded.

>>718266257
Retard.

face it /v/iggers dawn of war was always a game that you played to soiface and say "wow cool space marines." as a rts it was full of questionable mechanics and janky shit even compared to other games that had come out years before. relic was never a first tier rts developer like blizzard or ensemble.

>>718266585
Seething Starshitter detected

>>718256157
>>718256228
I had exactly the same realisation. The main menu Gabriel might be the worst offender. He's so Fable-y. Kinda reminds me of Maze.

>>718261707
>>718261846
So what did they do? Just make the hit boxes like a couple pixels wide and called it a "pathfinding fix"? Did they think nobody would notice??

>>718266556
you're fucking a literal statue with soulstone
stonefucker

>>718231137 (OP)
I'll stick to Down of War 2.

>>718231137 (OP)
Maybe if they had actually finished the remake but as it stands it's just a half assed cash grab demake

>>718266414
Yeah, Gorgutz is fucking amazing. Just had to kite him yesterday as tau, he came to rape us as soon as he could.

>>718266821
>I'll stick to Down of War 2
That reminds me, did anyone ever fix the 30fps limit on the animations? Always drove me nuts.

>>718267517
how are you this stupid?

>>718255861
reminds me of this guy

>>718231464
>Ultimate Apocalypse Mod,
why make such an obvious lie?

>>718262516
wow you are literally me taking 2 hours to beat every campaign level because i max out the amount of turrets around every strat point
dropped WA when i realized i couldnt do that on the eldar missions
>play how WE wa-
no *closes game*

I like world eaters, I collect world eaters, I convert world eaters, I also own necrons but whatever
I know there's khornate berzerkers in this game so I'm tempted to see how far I can go playing csm and just spamming WEs

>>718259542
>>718258885
>>718258631
>>718257268
new looks better

>>718263792
Normal is easy, the enemies will only have half their health

Hard is normal, they get full HP

Insane is harder since it gives the enemy 150%+ more HP which is hell in the early missions where you don't have access to much

>>718231137 (OP)
arent space marines supposed to be demi gods? why do they feel like cannon fodder?

>>718262516
Commander Boreale, enemy forces in our perimeter

>>718260803
It's called Dawn of Eldar for a reason anon.

>>718270840
WHEUR?

>>718259782
What a piece of shit. In the 2004 game I believe that this fucking turret has been around for a long time and is dirty, and in the new shit I see artifacts of the AI slop. Truly a damned timeline.

>>718251337
>>718250719
it's not worth it for companies to work on genius level AI, all it would do is make the game too hard to play for the average player. leaving it to modders makes sense.

>>718271373
>not worth it for companies
Nah, just add a Brutal/Primarch difficulty

>>718266043
theyz just dead 'ard

>>718258998
What artifacts do you think you're seeing here?

>>718272228
all of them, since it's a bloody magpie, who knows what shit they "borrowed" this time