Thread 718231450

Yeah... Sonic Superstars was the better choice.

>Judging a whole game based off a proof of concept pic
never change /v/

>>718231534
fucking cope

>>718231450 (OP)
I like it, it looks like Amiga computer game

>>718231450 (OP)
Mania 2 would've been better, but the screencap doesn't look as good as people's reaction to it makes it out to be, especially the newspaper filter on the background looks cheap. Mania's new zones looked stunning, though, so it probably would've gotten better if the team was given a proper budget to polish it up, since it's the execution, not the concept, that falters.

>>718231534
Is /v/ thr biggest group of video game posers on the web?

>>718231450 (OP)
What do you think the proof of concept is for?

>Sonic threads on /v/ 8 years ago
>genuine excitement for a new sonic game that could be better than Sonic Team's usual shit at the time. Shitposting was still around but more people were more occupied with theory crafting what the game would be like
>Sonic threads on /v/ now
>butthurt zoomers at a constant war with each other about who can display the most jealously that their preferred games aren't unanimously liked more, incapable of expressing any genuine emotions and just spam copy/pasted bad faith arguments all day. Most weren't even old enough to be around on /v/ when Mania was released

Yep happy anniversary.

>>718231450 (OP)
I'll take "statements from the utterly deranged" for 100, Alex!

>>718232560
Here's something from 2014 that I remember contributing to, if anyone wants to compare and contrast.

>>718231450 (OP)
>>718231534
Is it just a mockup pic or a screenshot from a playable demo? This thing having music and the shading being reused for Penny makes me think it was actually a playable demo that was presented to SEGA.
Either way, Mania was so highly received, and the only major complaint of that game was the zone reuse (felt even more now, after the classic games have all received retro engine PC ports). A game by that dev team with all original zones would’ve been perfect.
Superstars delivered on the original zone end, but looks much less stylish and ugly in some places (whole thing makes me think of 360 era XBLA games, but charged at full price. The OP pic makes me think of Sonic 2 HD). And Arzest doesn’t have that good of a reputation to begin with, even beyond Balan they also did Hey Pokémon and Yoshi’s New Island.
Whitehead, Pagoda West and Headcanon developed Superstars would’ve been better

>>718231450 (OP)
lol no

>>718232596
Reminder the creators of Balan also created Sonic

>>718233108
Its a catch 22. Whitehead might have been better, but its clear the game would have looked weird and seeing how Penny turned out, I'd say SEGA may have made the right call. Hell, I figure the art direction was a big reason they didn't go with Whitehead. Arzest isn't great but they have experience making as Naoto Ohshima is the head of the company. Their problem is they worked on a lot of Nintendo games and its clear they took a Nintendo direction to boss design. The only other problem with the game was not arranging all of his tracks. Beyond that, the game was fine. At worst, it had a lot of level design from Sonic CD and Sonic 2 where Whitehead favored S3&K. The best thing would be to have it be a collaborative effort but no idea how something like that might work.

>>718233108
Just a mockup. Nothing you should take seriously.

Superstars sold more than Mania despite costing more, and yet people will still try to convince you that Whitehead and Co. knew best.

Iizuka was right to make the majority of Mania zones from previous titles because only half of the new Mania zones were actually good.

>>718231534
I'm just terminally addicted to complaining.

>>718234269
First honest post (that isn't about something sexual) on /v/ in god only knows how long.

>>718231450 (OP)
Gross they were gonna use that bauhaus style they used for penny's big flop

>>718233470
and also Yoshi's New Kazoo Island and Hey! Pikmin, thanks for helping me further drive the point home

>>718235963
>Hey! Do you want some random fan to make your game, or the actual people who created the IP in the first place
Yeah, real nice point.

>>718234207
Superstars sold more because:

A. Normie retards are trained to think 3D > 2D.
B. Mania was a success, so people were expecting more of the same quality.

>>718231450 (OP)
Post the song too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieoEAPalqvc

>>718234207
low quality bait

>>718234207
>mania: 6.4 million
>superstars: 2.4 million
Are you sure

>>718231450 (OP)
? Where did this art come from? New thing they just leaked?

superstars looks and plays like shit
how can anyone like it

>>718236579
Taxman posted it on Bluesky

>>718236562
Source?

>>718231450 (OP)
SuperTrash

>>718233070
>Ian Flynn should write the games
Fucking monkey's paw if I've ever seen one
Also
>Storytimes
I miss those in general. I haven't seen a single storytime on /v/ since like 2016

>>718236579
Yeah Christian Whitehead leaked a couple pics.

>>718236562
>>718236638
He's lying, Mania sold only around 1 million copies from Sega's sales themselves. Superstars around 2.5 mill

>>718236632
Oh I see, thanks

>>718233070
>palcomix
I can't believe they're still around

>>718236286
>A. Normie retards are trained to think 3D > 2D.
explain how this is an issue without mentioning the word 'soul'

>>718231534
They did the same thing with Frontiers and TO BE FAIR, it was warranted with that shitty IGN gameplay, but when Sage got showed off people fell in love with her

>>718236092
Arzest didn't create Sonic, retard. The lead designer for the original Sonic games was part of Arzest (formerly Artoon) for a while. He wasn't for Superstars.

>>718231450 (OP)
Nah, this looks better graphically. Gameplay would've been better too considering it would be made by Evening Star, so basically WE WERE ROBBED. I don't even dislike Superstars, hate for it is a forced meme.

>>718236826
And they're now killing themselves by using AI on their paywalled weekly commissions

>>718236917
That IGN gameplay is the most blatant case of sabotage I've ever fucking seen someone do to a game
Frontiers was fine but fuck me if it wasn't mocked relentlessly for that premiere

>>718236332
sounds samey like all of his stuff

>>718232560
Also some people are fighting for certain characters to get their own dedicated year of…

But I think each character should get their own month instead, not every character can hold a year to themselves like Chadow the Kinohog

>>718231802
Superstars wishes it looked like your pic.

>>718236638
https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Sonic

>>718232596
More like
>Which one will do it for less?

Remember, dev studios dont care about making good games anymore. They care about shareholder margins. Management directs the studio using that philosophy and that philosophy alone.

>>718233527
Superstars is just a Giant Monkey’s Paw

>Unique Zones, No Reused Levels
>Tee Lopes and Jun Senoue Music
>3D graphics, with Classic designs
>Even having the Mania level clear jingle

>>718237283
Jun Senoue's songs were still quite charming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1MkmKUe1No

>>718236579
Tee Lopes also posted a track:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieoEAPalqvc

>>718237094
Agree. I dont think anyone in Sonic's roster of friends is interesting enough to warrant an entire game dedicated to them without radically altering expectations for the game itself. It wouldnt be a "Sonic" game (action platformer)

I hear a lot of "Silver" though. Imo a silver game wouldn't work, though. His levels in '06 were a good tech demo and they were nearing enjoyable but wouldnt work stretched out to a full game.

>>718236976
Penny's Big Breakaway is an eyesore to look at though

>>718236286
Sonic Mania trying its hardest to save the Sonic brand’s image in the late 2010s

>>718237487
And plus Shadow has that backstory to him with Maria, Gerald and the Black Arms. He’s literally part of the Robotnik Family

Does anyone else think Tee Lopes' music is a bit samey? I'm not musically inclined, but all of his tracks sound like they belong to only one game, idk if it's the instruments he uses or not

>>718237570
i said this the last thread but hiring roger and keeping him to this day was a mistake not to diss him but he can only ever sound good when he's trying to be funny and making meta jokes

>>718231450 (OP)
This ruined my day. To think that we could have gotten Mania 2 looking like this instead of Supershart.

>>718237940
He doesn't deviate much from that new jack swing style

>>718237940
blame the JP CDfags idolizing its entire soundtrack which warped everyone in to thinking EVERYTHING has to sound like alternate timeline (pun intended) Sonic CD soundtrack

>>718237940
I said this in a prior thread but >>718237470 sounds a lot like Press Garden Act 2 to me. I can't complain much though because the entire Mania soundtrack and several other remixes he's done are stellar

>>718238684
>nigger sonic leaks were 8 years ago
time flies

Move aside, Tee Lopez
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6rMy9rBAAo

>>718234883
I see it as my duty to say the things that everyone here really thinks. If people here won't be honest, I'll be honest for them.

>>718233527
>seeing how Penny turned out
Really fun but not visually appealing to the masses?

>>718236719
Even back then I was adamant that writing good comics doesn't translate to writing good games. Now the dude's created a weird cult and his comics are ass.

What the fuck happened

>>718236926
Yuji Naka and Naoto Ohshima were on the team that made Balan Wonderworld, Yuji Naka and Naoto Ohshima were also on the team that made Sonic the Hedgehog (1991). So my point still stands because that's what the image provided, fuck off.

>>718239382
Bought it day one and played the entirety of world 1 and just couldn't get into it. Gameplay felt way too slow and clunky, nothing like Sonic in the slightest.

>>718239627
What exactly is your point? Inafune scammed millions out of people by calling himself "The Father of Mega Man" and Mighty No 9 wound up being painfully mediocre. Arzest's game line up consists of Yoshi's New Island, Hey Pikmim and Balan "Worst control scheme in history" Wonderworld. Sonic Superstars is only really remembered due to Trip being introduced and we'll probably never even see her again. People will go back to Mania, but who the fuck do you see talking about how they want to replay Superstars? The only point bringing up those two brings to the table is that putting too much value in legacy names is asking to be disappointed

>Christian Whitehead and team makes a mania sequel shortly after mania
>Sega hands the project over to arzest of all studios to develop it and forces them to add shitty co-op because they want the game to be like NSMB
Sega has to be one of the dumbest game companies ever

>>718237950
It's an issue with voice direction more than anything.
https://x.com/BraviaGames/status/1952051840092168460
Then again a lot of these clips are from more than a decade ago and all the meta era VAs were already pretty old when they started but it's only going to get more obvious sooner than later.

>>718233184
Wow this stage looks bad. Bad contrast between foreground and background, uninteresting colors, empty background.

>>718241230
Sorry you had a bad time with a great game.

>>718239508
Nerds go on power trips all the time, why are you surprised?

>>718236917
I still don't care for Frontiers.

>>718243224
There was no need for the passive aggressive faggotry there, man.

>>718243661
I'm not being passive aggressive at all. I'm just implying that you not liking the game because it isn't Sonic doesn't change that it's a really good game.

>>718231802
Now post what the actual stage looks like.

>>718242120
All you had to say was you can't read.

>>718237570
For real, Sonic as a brand in the 2010s was embarrassing, even got its own broken game in the form of Boom, but at least that had the excuse of an sudden and forced engine change.

>>718237094
Honestly, I wouldn't mind a remake or continuation of Tails Adventure, and I wish the IP did something COOL with Silver.

>>718237940
Yeah they all Sound the same. They sound good, but too distractingly similar unless it's rock for some reason. I shouldn't be able to hear a song and instantly know it's him

>>718233184
That snake is so incredibly fucking gay and lame

>>718237487
People only want a Silver game or want him in a lead role again so they can justify their glazing for a mediocre character. Queue the "potential man" image

reminder that Superstars' bland visuals stem from having to run at 60fps on Switch, simple as that

>>718231802
>>718233184
lol

AHERM....