Thread 718250382

Six face buttons was always the superior design. Why has gaming gone so wrong?

>*crack*
>*ssssssssiiiiiiiiiip*
Yep, it's gaming time

>>718250382 (OP)
half of those buttons didn't do shit

>>718250513
>everyone bitched that this controller was too big
>always felt comfortable to me
guess I just have huge hands or something

>best flashlight toggle controls ever
>just unburden it from L3/R3

What does it matter if you only have one thumb for 6 of them plus a joystick. What we need is back buttons. Standard. I want up to 8 digits active with a controller.

>>718250587
it's because your fat and have sausage fingers

this layout is pointless unless you need to play street fighter on it, even then half of your normals will be shit so you probably don't need it after all

>>718250587
You know what they say about big hands...

>>718250382 (OP)
Too complex for the masses.

>>718250614
but that's patented and nobody can do that except for a company that does absolutely nothing with it

>>718250513
>not the same size
>monochrome
>usually not utilized
HURR DURR I'M A MAN BECAUSE ITS BIG AND I HAVE BIG HANDS NOW TO PLAY A SHITTIER VERSION OF PC FPS
Why are browns like this?

>>718250775
Because browns realize that they are not masculine, look at their fucking societies. They worship jews because they think it brings them power. Dumb brown children.

>>718250587
Same here anon. Handlets will never understand

You know there's still pleny of controllers with six face buttons, do you?
The extra two face buttons were simply moved onto an extra set of triggers, button economy did not change and four triggers are more ergonomic than six face buttons, the only real use case for six face buttons is arcade gaming for the people who were old enough to actually play in arcades to begin with.

>>718250718
Switch 2 Pro Controller has back buttons. I'd like at least 4 though.

>>718250904
6 face buttons is good for N64 emulation if it's in layout like that cause you can use the top 4 buttons as the C buttons.

ENTER. THE. GOD. MACHINE!

The Vita tried something innovative, with the "rear trackpad" (what's it even called?), but that was kind of a piece of shit truthfully. It worked fine, but nothing utilised it, and for the games that did, you'd swipe it by mistake constantly.
I think that's probably the last major release that tried something totally different since the Wii.

Cute.
I have a little over 100 buttons.

>>718251516
that's just on the PS5 controller now and it's infinitely better cause it's on the front

>>718251697
Size isn't everything.

>>718251516
>I think that's probably the last major release that tried something totally different since the Wii.
does ring fit count? granted it was for one specific game but the idea is interesting and new

>>718250382 (OP)
ESL here, why are they called 'face' buttons anyway? Because they're facing you? Because something is usually 'written' on their 'face'? (Like A/B/X/Y)
It doesn't really matter but I'm just curious.

>>718250654
Bs, the use cases are ENDLESS. YZBC as main buttons, X and A for stuff like menu, secondary weapon, etc

>>718251697
0 ergonomy

>>718251697
>Dog shit at 3D action/platformer

>>718252024
they're on the face of the controller

>>718250643
>your
Illiterate nigger

>>718252392
wouldn't it be called 'front'? The word 'face' seems like it belongs to humans.
Another reason I thought of was because the 'face' buttons usually have the markings that the brand is most recognized for, like SONY's triangle, square, circle and cross - and that's it's 'face'. But that seems like a reach.

>>718252194
>all those buttons
>all that functionality

>>718252502
Front, face, obverse... all these words are applicable. Who knows why "face" became popular in this context?

>>718252502
>front
The side facing the TV?

>>718250382 (OP)
lol no, pressing to buttons at the same time feel horrible and unnatural compared to the diamond layout unless you are not holding the controller in which case just use an arcade stick

>>718250718
Just the paddles are. Nintendo and Sony both have controllers with back buttons, as do a plethora of third party down to bargain bin price points.
Even then, a few chink controllers have paddles too.

>>718250614
>What we need is back buttons.
Back buttons aren't bad, but what is much more useful is to have another set of bumpers. Bumpers are used all of the time as modifier inputs all of the time and keep your thumbs on the analog sticks.

We also need to bring back some equivalent of the black and white buttons, like in >>718250513. Just a couple of buttons off to the side that are used for dedicated, but less frequent actions that can't be justified by a set of actions taking up all of the face buttons, for example.

I'd be willing to try six face buttons on controllers again, though it was mostly done for fighting games which don't make up such a large proportion of games on the market today.

>>718250382 (OP)
Fully agree, been saying this for years.

This puppy had a slider and a hat switch as well.

>>718256067
the fuck is a slider
what does it map to

>>718251697
You have a modern typewriter designed to write letters, you're too poor to even have a dedicated interface.

>>718250382 (OP)
You still got 6 face buttons... because L3 and R3 are a thing.

>>718257619
It can probably be mapped to throttle/thrust for a flight game. Something like that.

6-button layout is the analog triggers of face buttons
most games ain't using that

>6 face buttons
>its actually 3 + 3 turbo
I do wish they'd bring them back though + combine with back paddles
but games would have to be designed from the ground out to accomodate all extra buttons or let you bind some hotkeys like on pc
and its never gonna happen because devs are lazy and happy with homogenized standards
as cool as back paddles are, all they are are redundant keys, not new in-game keys so it's flawed

>>718258136
analog triggers are a detriment to gaming.
>but muh shooters
most 3rd party and pro style first party controller have trigger locks that change them to instant digital input because you want to shoot immediately
>but muh racing games
there's one speed you want to be in and it's max speed. If you need to decelerate for turns then just let go or flutter the digital trigger it in conjunction with the brake.

>>718259212
Old 6 button controllers only had two shoulder buttons, not four, so it's an easy fix of just tacking on the bumpers to the face of the controller like in the hori fightpads seen here >>718250904 but not in the fucktarded one sided way they did it, like have R1 and L1 up there instead of R1 and R2.

>>718250614
Back buttons and gyro should be standard by now, but it's mostly Xbox dudebros holding the rest of the industry back.

>>718250382 (OP)
Six face buttons
Four back panels
Carpal tunnel before 30

>>718250382 (OP)

Wrong. That's too many buttons. All they needed to do is add L/R triggers to a 3-button Megadrive pad and that was the perfect controller. outlaw all other controllers.
>B-b-b-but you can't play an FPS without a second thumbstick!
Wrong. You can't play an FPS without a mouse. FPS is not a controller genre.

>>718251697
>Can't reach all of them without moving your entire arm
Sucks to be you.

>>718250614
Ever since the PS Vita, back buttons always made me hate the idea. I know its not even remotely the same since the PS Vita used a back touch pad as controls but I will always hate the idea no matter what. I want to slap whoever thought this overheating piece of shit was good enough to replace L2 and R2 and L3 and R3 buttons.

>>718258038
This. IN a flight game you could use it to set your throttle and leave it alone. It could also be mapped to any analogue function that would benefit from a steady level.

>>718266657
The backpad did let you map R2/L2 and R3/L3, the real problem is that only like, five or so games even used the backpad at all.
It's a decent gimmick in the few games that used it and also nice for emulation as much as I'd prefer physical buttons

>>718250382 (OP)
The stacked rows layout isn't as intuitive as a simple four point arrangement.

>>718250729
>utilizes each of the Saturn's 6 face buttons for 6 different weapons
Treasure are one of the few devs who paid extra attention to hardware and designed each game to take advantage of different controller layouts

>buy a pdp controller with back paddles
>you can only rebind the front buttons and directional buttons to the backpaddles
That's so gay. I can't even use the back paddles as additional inputs for any games because by themselves the backpaddles don't work.

>>718252291
>dogshit at dogshit
what a shame

I just use the back buttons for stick click actions because clicking the stick in always felt annoying, especially on the left one which you move your character with.

>>718268531
You use four buttons as main controls and assign secondary stuff to the other two. Much more intuitive than HURR MAP IS ON R2 BECAUSE DURR

>>718269282
Map should ALWAYS be on Start or Select.