Thread 718260846

Explain this chuds

A woman didn't write Planescape Torment, women did write LoK and parts of Disco Elysium so you get some points there.

a woman didn't write fallout new vegas

A woman didn't write Fate/Zero

it's not that well written

>>718260846 (OP)
You are correct, a woman DID write Legacy of Kain. How about that?

>>718260846 (OP)
Credit where credit is due. However it did become unnecessarily convoluted.

a woman didnt write mark of the betrayer

>>718260846 (OP)
Story is the least important part of a video game.

It's true, Legacy of Kain is really fantastic, isn't it?

>>718260846 (OP)
but the story is the worst part. it's carried by combat and OST

>>718261217
thats false considering the majority of people these days will only play a game if its a story or setting they can enjoy. just look all these modern SBI and ESG games. Most of them are competently decent games but nobody wants to play them simply because of the story and settings.

>>718260846 (OP)
The writing in this game was terrible

>>718260997
wtf I hate disco elysium now

>>718260846 (OP)
the supposedly stellar writing in this game is literally just the same old retarded jrpg tropes but now they're drawn with a pretty western mocap artstyle of cute little girls and model-tier men and you confuse that with good writing

What's the subtext behind E33 ? Is the whole thing just a family drama ?

>>718260846 (OP)
>the best story in gaming
>Lune is literally her self-insert pet character that had fuck all to do with the actual plot of E33
>Sciel is literally irrelevant and had fuck all to do with the actual plot of E33
>Gustave's death was easily preventable and Verso's reasoning for letting him die was horrendously pointless
>Painted Verso is just a brooding liar and this somehow makes him deep
>Maelle is has depth as a character at the very end of the game until you beat it and she just turns out to be a conceited brat who needs to be taught a lesson
>Monoco is literally just the dev's dog
>Painted Renior kills everyone for no justifiable reason and just cucks to your party with no real resolution to his character
>Aline is the only competent character in the game and we barely see her.
>The two endings were supposed to be a difficult choice with no real good answer, but everyone with common sense chose Verso anyway
>The whole point of the game is that the Writers won and successfully destroyed the mental state of 3/4 surviving Painter family members.

>>718260846 (OP)
What do they need to explain? Everyone praised Amy Hennig for her writing on the Legacy of Kain series, it's not like this is a first.

>Best story
>Absolutely nothings happens until the very end of Act 2, and then they loredump everything in 10 minutes.
No.

>>718262031
b-but it's moody and bleak and they get depressed but they joke around it's just like real life!!! It's DEEP and ARTISTIC you're just not intelligent enough to understand the genius of the writing!

>>718262031
Don't use common sense anon, there's EMOTIONS and it's DARK and EDGY.
Game of the year, I guess

>>718260846 (OP)
Last year media astroturfed Shillbot and this year it's EAI33

>>718260997
LoK franchise has a shit story full of plot holes. The VA makes sells it, not the writing.

A woman did not write ASTLIBRA ~生きた証~

>>718260846 (OP)
Best story in gaming is Max Payne

>>718262436
The VA is amazing, but the reason why it's so impactful, is because of the writing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7SQ2Wu6PvI

>>718262031
>The whole point of the game is that the Writers won and successfully destroyed the mental state of 3/4 surviving Painter family members.
>Because the game plot was written by a writter

>>718260846 (OP)
>A woman wrote the best story of gaming
Silent Hill 2?

>>718260846 (OP)
>A woman wrote the best story of gaming

yeah she did, but it wasnt Obscure kek, by far not.

>>718262595
now this is writing

>>718262595
If you even attempt to analyze the story as a whole, it's dog shit that falls apart. You might like the dialogue, but for me it's hit or miss hammy Shakespeare

>>718260846 (OP)
She meant for the Maelle ending to be the right one, though.

>>718260846 (OP)
Why would you paint a screenshot 1 to 1? Why wouldn't you just use AI?

>>718260846 (OP)
The story Is good and was also Made by the director, the dialogues are awful tho

>best story in gaming
It's not even close. Not even the best vidya story written by a woman.

>>718262441
Came to post this. Based Astlibrachad

The pillars speech from Kain mogs the entirety of that generic-assets-kit-bashed game.

Dungeon Rats has a better story than it and it's about some bumfuck attempting a prison escape and realizing the reason why nobody really attempts it anymore.

>>718260846 (OP)
Her writing is absolutely mogged by a fucking Xbone game.

>>718264767
The 360 was filled with hidden gems I never really go into playing until only five years ago.

Hey guys, just got this Tattoo because E33 SAVED MY LIFE!!!1!!1
Well yes, I quit after the gestral village on easy, why do you ask? I STILL LOVE THE GAME OK

>>718260846 (OP)
Although other female writers can be very competent, this explains why certain characters and story elements are annoying. Like characters closing off topics unnaturally without fully elaborating for the sake of dragging the pace of the story out and Lune somehow being insufferable and emotional, but somehow cold, direct, and calculated(??) in a contradicting way for a woman.

>>718263614
Not really, the story works well. Storytelling is about characters and themes and the journey. Midwits who gauge the worth of a story based on microanalyzing the mechanics of the plot after the fact don't matter.

>>718260846 (OP)
It was only decent.

Act III ruined almost all of the "good" that mostly Act I and partially Act II had built up. In the end, it was a nothing burger story-wise.

>>718260846 (OP)
I do like the story but it's a bit too backloaded with the significant events.

I'm not finished yet, but the lategame plot dump wasn't exactly well-executed.

>>718265217
t. charactercuck, the lowest form of writing

>>718265553
t. the type of retard who thinks LOTR is worthless because why didn't they just use the eagles

>>718260846 (OP)
Koudelka and Shadow Hearts were written by men.

>>718265217
The story doesn't work, because key motivations are nonsensical, and characters simply engage in what can best be described as plot exercise.

>>718265721
A strange pick. LOTR world is expertly made and is the central point of the work, not at all what you describe above.

>>718262031
filtered

The game's pretty neat and all, but you people way oversold me by telling me it's some masterpiece of writing. It's simply fine
>dude, everything is a reference to paintings. Isn't that quirky!
>dude, the characters keep sitting down and having slightly stilted conversations about their emotions, when they should probably be more focused on staying alive
It's fine...

>>718265217
>Storytelling is about characters and themes and the journey
I don't know, the only moment where characters were really fleshed out were during the dating minigame, and even that seemed like an after tough.
Lune is cold, and not very useful. Sciel was my favourite but, to my disappointment, completely useless. Even Monoco was useless plotwise, and barely significant character-wise.

>>718266141
Why didn't they use the eagles tho?

>>718266136
>key motivations are nonsensical,
No, everyone's motives are pretty well defined.
>>718266604
He's talking about LoK

>>718266512
>>dude, the characters keep sitting down and having slightly stilted conversations about their emotions, when they should probably be more focused on staying alive
The game happens over weeks if not months with plenty of downtime. People aren't in pure survival mode for such extended periods.

>>718260846 (OP)
I can't. Its nearly perfect.

>>718266604
>Lune is cold, and not very useful. Sciel was my favourite but, to my disappointment, completely useless. Even Monoco was useless plotwise, and barely significant character-wise.
You might suck at gaming if you thought any of these 3 were bad characters gameplay wise.

>>718267054
I meant useful as in, relevance to the plot, anon.

>>718266791
Kain's are. Raziel's motives are slipshod. He is initially on a revenge quest and then he flips on that at the end to makena sacrifice himself to help Kain in an act that is entirely out of his character development and original motivation, as he is entirely selfishly motivated throughout. Elder God acts nonsensically throughout, and Moebius even more so.

>>718260846 (OP)
Yes, she did.

a woman wrote the greatest fiction story ever told across all mediums*

>>718267282
Hennig didn't wrote blood omen though
That was Ken McCulloch and Denis Dyack

>>718261027
that's a book, retard

>>718267383
And the guy that made Golden Kamui was salty as fuck about it.

>>718267753
completely and utterly btfo and raped by RyGOATko Kui

>>718267279
It is painfully obvious they made it up as they went along and added as many time janny nonsense as necessary to clean up their previous mess. The story, character motivations and themes of SR1 make sense with the original ending where you Raziel sounds the bells of the cathedral and purges the vampires.

>>718267279
>then he flips on that at the end to makena sacrifice himself to help Kain in an act that is entirely out of his character development
Dude what. Did you just miss the entire game. Raziel has a slow and phenomenally well built revelation that Kain isn't the true architect of his pain and that killing him wouldn't bring him any closer to the answers and freedoms he seeks. We have Raziel denounce his newfound principles as revenant when we see him renounce his human self in 2 when he had praised the Sarafan early in 1. His self sacrifice at the end of Defiance is his acceptance of his fate and role as Kain's right hand, a fundamental purpose in fighting the real enemy.
>Elder God acts nonsensically throughout,
Like? One of the best reveals of the game is that the Elder God is a capricious parasite that wants to feed. His higher aspirations and vaunted talks of Wheels of Fate is a cover for that.
>Moebius
He's a servant of the Elder God and frantically devoted.
Did you only play 1 and then watched a cutscene of Defiance?
and Moebius even more so.

>>718267852
Nah. I'm so deep in your ass your Gerge Floyd

>>718267852
Legacy of Kain as a series has two big What Ifs, what if the series had remained with Silicon Knights and what if Soul Reaver 1 had been given enough time to properly put in place all the alpha content.
I'm a fan of the series in general, but the meme that sometimes get posted around here of Raziel as sympathetic luciferian figure fighting against an jealous and oppressive demiurge god figure in Kain, and how that thematic slowly got lost as the thematic shfoted towards the nature of free will and fate is a real shame isright on the money.

>>718261796
>the supposedly stellar writing in this game is literally just the same old retarded jrpg tropes but now they're drawn with a pretty western mocap artstyle of cute little girls and model-tier men and you confuse that with good writing
Even if that were true, the fact that they don't say "it can't be helped" and "EHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" every other sentence already puts it above every other JRPG ever made.

>>718261796
you didn't play it. E33 won. keep seething faggot.

>>718267037
your not even human anymore just a living cock. my cock.

>>718260997
>Planescape
>LoK
Dude, poorly written/ re-heated philosophy 101 written by stoner millennials is so hecking DEEP. Literally nobody aside from people in their 40s remember or care about these pretentious games.
>DE
Breadtuber faggotry.

You may not like it, but pic related is the best written video game series.

>>718268010
He actively tried to kill Kain in his last meeting, successfully killed Kain, and then larped like they were actually secret buddies. His plot development was become increasingly distrusting of all former colleagues, mentors, Kain, EG, etc. His line about being Kain's right hand is unironically hilarious.
The Elder God constantly acts in opposition to his goals, which are never stated but presumed to be to continuously feed from the Wheel. The twist of his nature was extremely obvious and hinted at constantly.
Moebius is even more at odds with his motivations and more retarded. He has two motivations, to serve the Elder and vampire genocide, but his actions are often pants-on-head retarded. This is guy with a staff that paralyzes all vampires that he has sometimes and in some games, and conveniently forgets, which seems to be borderline retarded for a character described by writers as a "omnipotent timelord," both in and out of game. He never questions why he is never in the SR1 future despite EG being resurrected, leaves his time-streaming devices intact for Kain to use instead of marooning him, etc, which is weird for a guy that literally knows Kain's ultimate fate.

>>718268593
Not ever gonna play it because you fag talk too much about the game. get ass whooped

A woman didn't write the Black Souls series, available now on Steam!

>>718268593
as if mother isn't a söy game, come on now

The best story of gaming is like the best credits sequence of a movie. It simply doesn't matter.

>>718260846 (OP)
Sure but what does E33 have to do with it?
I don't actually blame Hiroi for Dawntrail so don't go sperging out

>>718268961
>He actively tried to kill Kain in his last meeting, successfully killed Kain, and then larped like they were actually secret buddies. His plot development was become increasingly distrusting of all former colleagues, mentors, Kain, EG, etc. His line about being Kain's right hand is unironically hilarious.
Because he thought that he could just take Kain's heart and revive Janos, whom he grew pretty attached after their one very long conversation and his dramatic death afterwards and was the only person with answers he desperately sought.
Nothing about his motivations changed. He's still driven completely by a search of purpose and role. And after 2 he treats Kain with a mix of suspiciousness and weariness but refused to kill him like Mobius and the Elder God push him, but with the Heart of Darkness thing he actually has a motivation.
>The Elder God constantly acts in opposition to his goals, which are never stated but presumed to be to continuously feed from the Wheel
Like?
>The twist of his nature was extremely obvious and hinted at constantly.
That's nonsensical motivation though. That's predictability. It's also not obvious because it wasn't even planned in 1.
>This is guy with a staff that paralyzes all vampires that he has sometimes and in some games, and conveniently forgets
When did he forget his staff?
>He never questions why he is never in the SR1 future despite EG being resurrected
Mobius is a zealot. He happily accepts his death as part of the wheel. He knows he's not on SR1's future because he dies during Blood Omen.

>>718268379
How do Americans have such a hard time understanding it can't be helped when they have their tipping culture.

>>718270017
I regularly refuse to tip unless the service is outstanding or the waitress is cute and gives me her phone number

>>718268379
This doesn't happen nearly as often as you think it does. It doesn't even happen in the most iconic popular JRPGs in history.

>>718270195
tell me your penis is tiny without telling me your penis is tiny

>>718270492
It's actually enormous and the only reason I had a gf

>>718270706
>hey baby come crank my hog its huge I promise
you cant get a gf by having a big dick. I'm so deep in your ass your not even human anymore youre a living cock my cock a floyd

>>718270848
>so deep in your ass your not even human anymore
That's what I said to your mom last night
>you cant get a gf by having a big dick.
Dicklet cope

>>718271046
so you just walk around naked or what gerge

>>718262031
Don't forget the entire existential/philosophical implications behind the painted worlds and the people in them isn't even addressed

Could have been a really good Matrix/artificial intelligence story with modern day parallels, but no its just MUH FAMILY DRAMA MUH WOMANS EMOTIONS

>>718271098
Women want a few things from men:
Financial stability
Protection
Sexual satisfaction.
It can be one or all three, but in my case I provided the third.
>so you just walk around naked or what gerge
I was good looking and attractive enough that she gave me a shot, she was intensely satisfied and attracted to me because of it so we keep (or kept as of yesterday) steady.

>>718260846 (OP)
E33 story is objectively retarded.

>>718260997
>LoK
Words Words Words The Movie: The Game.

>>718261217
This meme did not age well.

>>718271408
All writing is words anon

>>718269905
Raziel wanted to kill Kain for his own selfish purposes with a side of reviving Janos. He does not look for an alternate solution, he does not try to problem solve, he does not act in a way that tells you his next move is to be a total blubbering sacrifice even though his character is entirely self interested, much like Kain. His final sacrifice does not add up for the trajectory of his character and is unearned. He spent the two games before it and an eternity of in-game time hating Kain for what he did. When he attacks him at Avernus, he accuses Kain of manipulating events that led to his doom, and does not trust him.
>Like?
Almost anything to do with manipulating Kain against Raziel is nonsensical motivation, since it is in EG's best interest to aid Raziel in killing Kain and let all versions of the reaver convalesce into a sword without Kain or Raziel to effectively wield. Furthermore, why he didn't devour Kain's soul when he died as a nobleman and spun it in the wheel is never explained. Involving himself with the retarded champions prophecy is never explained and yet is said to be pivotal to the """"plan"""" which nobody knows.
>When did he forget his staff?
You should probably play Blood Omen. He does not have the snake staff and has a staff with a simple jewel that has no effect on vampires. He is also caught without the snake staff in the later games at least once.
Furthermore, Moebius only accepts death on the auspices that he will be revived. You can tell because he is genuinely surprised when the Elder devours him at the end of Defiance when he recieves the purified vision.

>>718271290
yeah sounds like you got dominated by her

>emotional rollercoaster featuring a pretty boy whose massive faults are swept under the rug for a story that ultimately doesn't make sense in hindsight

Yeah I believe a woman wrote it

>>718271529
Confirmed for plebeian pseud.

>>718268593
Disco Elysium is really well written but I still stopped playing after like four hours.

yep, expedition 33 is the best storytelling we've seen so far in gaming. Not only because the story is good but because it uses the medium to tell it

>>718260846 (OP)
explain this.

Indeed she did

>>718271825
>cutscenes
Groundbreaking.

>>718260846 (OP)
>She made the men be the ones on the right trying to fix everything while the women were all fucking everything up

>>718271869
>some asian gobbeligook
they've never written a good story or fictional book.

>>718262031
What sucks about this is that they just had everything to make a more thoughtful story but failed to do so, act 3 is such a mess it's sad.

Maelle character assassination and Lune/Sciel character erasure were the biggest crimes at the end of the story.

>this thread
>I COULD WRITE IT BETTER! GIV MONEYS PLZ!!
>proceeds to load 5 gb of sissy porn and fap
lmao jealous bitches

>>718271558
>Raziel wanted to kill Kain for his own selfish purposes with a side of reviving Janos
Yes.
>He does not look for an alternate solution, he does not try to problem solve, he does not act in a way that tells you his next move is to be a total blubbering sacrifice even though his character is entirely self interested, much like Kain.
What are you talking about? Janos is dead because his heart was ripped out. There are no alternative solutions.
>When he attacks him at Avernus, he accuses Kain of manipulating events that led to his doom, and does not trust him.
And he was being partially influenced by the Hylden leader there.
His realization is supposed to be the culmination of his constant search for a purpose that drove his actions including reviving Janos, he's realizing and accepting his role as both Vampire and Hylden champion, saving vampirekind and fighting their oppressive God.
>Almost anything to do with manipulating Kain against Raziel is nonsensical motivation, since it is in EG's best interest to aid Raziel in killing Kain
Yep, and it helps if Kain wants to kill Raziel too
>Furthermore, why he didn't devour Kain's soul when he died as a nobleman and spun it in the wheel is never explained.
Because he needed the Guardian of Balance to kill the other Guardians.
>You should probably play Blood Omen.
I have.
>He does not have the snake staff and has a staff with a simple jewel that has no effect on vampires.
I always assumed it was just a redesign for a new generation of graphics. It's not like hai orbes are identical either.
>He is also caught without the snake staff in the later games at least once.
He really isn't.
I'll say though, CD making the vampire nullfiying staff never did make much sense too me and it doesn't really matter much. But again, that's not character motivation.
>Moebius only accepts death on the auspices that he will be revived.
He's horrified at what he's seeing and being devoured, dying is something else

>>718272202
frfr

>>718271582
Sorta. In bed I'm always dominant, but in most of the day to day aspects of the relationship I mostly do what she wants.

>>718271825
>>718271879
How do you even use the medium well? It seems to be a fucking mystery.
>Cutscenes (movie)
>TLoU/GoW walk-and-talk cutscenes (movie, but press forward to walk)
>Dialogue tree (witty repartee, Reddit one-liners, edgy kill response).
>Item descriptions (Clue bullshit and not really a story).
None of these seem good.

>>718272045
shut the fuck up before I kill you bitch

>>718271690
Frieren, show me your elvish cunny

>>718272373
Combine them all and you have a unique experience, other mediums can't provide

>>718272373
visage and sirene has fantastic environmental storytelling

haha no one agreed with OP

>>718272815
I have no jeans, socks, barley and underwear

>>718272237
>And he was being partially influenced by the Hylden leader there.
When is this said?
>Yep, and it helps if Kain wants to kill Raziel too
No, it doesn't help at all. Giving Kain any chance of victory or guidance is against their best interest.
>Because he needed the Guardian of Balance to kill the other Guardians.
This again goes against his motivations since the wheel is disrupted by vampirism and he abandons the vampire race after the blood curse. He appeals to Raziel specifically to kill vampires. The Elder God perceives time at once, so he knows the outcome of BO1.
>I always assumed it was just a redesign for a new generation of graphics. It's not like hai orbes are identical either.
It's just a shitty plot black hole in the game. The staff has no effect on Kain in BO1, is never implied to have an effect, and doesn't matter until SR2 for some dumb reason. Mortanius has these same continuity problems too. His behavior in between games doesn't make sense. He acts entirely confident of his actions in BO1, set to restore the vampire pillars, yet in Defiance, he is so haunted by Hylden spooks he literally can't can't finish a sentence without being possessed, and these same ghosts that can seemingly possess him at will allow him to create their prophesized nemesis in the form of Kain, which they knew enough about to stain some windows about, not to mention Mortanius I guess can entirely override the spirit realm trip to take Kain to some weird hell.

>>718272518
Let me know when a good story comes from this.

>>718273361
I can tell what kind of person you are.

>>718273361
>When is this said?
When his eyes grew green for a lil bit
>No, it doesn't help at all. Giving Kain any chance of victory or guidance is against their best interest.
Kain can't einf though. Raziel is literally immortal.
>This again goes against his motivations since the wheel is disrupted by vampirism and he abandons the vampire race after the blood curse
Why would killing the guardians be against his plan?
>Elder God perceives time at once, so he knows the outcome of BO1.
He knows that Kain will refuse the sacrifice and then start a war to conquer Nosgoth, lots of people die and that's good for him eliminating Kain happens later when his Empire is stagnant and the humans are cowed. That's why Raziel is sent on that specific task to kill Kain after his brothers at that time
>It's just a shitty plot black hole in the game
I don't really disagree, but that's not character motivation.
>He acts entirely confident of his actions in BO1, set to restore the vampire pillars, yet in Defiance, he is so haunted by Hylden spooks he literally can't can't finish a sentence without being possessed
I feel like most of your issues is with how Soul Reaver reinterprets the events of Blood Omen, which I agree aren't perfect, but the character motivation as they're laid in SR itself are pretty consistent.

>>718274484
>Why would killing the guardians be against his plan?
I already explained this. He knows Kain does not reset the pillars and thrusts the world into an apocalypse where he is starved. He only cares about feeding, seemingly, so there is no reason for him to give an iota of a fuck about the pillars, and surprisingly, he never really talks about them.
>That's why Raziel is sent on that specific task to kill Kain after his brothers at that time
This doesn't make sense, because they know Raziel will not kill him the chronoplast, they purposely left the chronoplast intact for Kain to use, and the events following that lead to their own downfall. You can make some argument that the paradoxes write all new possibilities that they didn't foresee, but these realities don't seem to at all interfere with their plans due to continued omnipotence and Mobius even says this since Raziel has super duper plot armor. This is generally the problem with an omnipotent time-seeing deity and why they should have not bothered with the time travel and why the story is retarded.
>I don't really disagree, but that's not character motivation.
This is why I said the plot is full of holes. When people say no, there are not plot holes, than the characters stop making sense because the franchise is mess in terms of continuity.

I still don't think EG is given motivation that fits with his actions since he is at all times flirting with absolute disaster and risking peril for someone described as omnipotent and who's only motivation is feeding. I think Raziel's final turn is also poor. Moebius's and Mortanius suffer from massive continuity problems. For me, the game is carried on voice acting, which is excellent.

>>718274224
You save this shit on your computer?

>>718275947
>He knows Kain does not reset the pillars and thrusts the world into an apocalypse where he is starved
The world is starved later. It's perfectly in line for him to let war fester a gorge on the souls, which is what he did when he made the ancient vampires wage war on the Hylden.
That's why his plan has Raziel kill Kain after his empire stagnated and after all the vampires lieutenants are dead. In his plan, Kain is dead in the future, the Clan leaders are all dead and the humans are free to retake the world.
>This is why I said the plot is full of holes
Eh, they're not that terrible as you make it sound and the counter argument was that the game's writing strength came from the characters, which is true. Even Citizen Kane has plot holes.
>I still don't think EG is given motivation that fits with his actions since he is at all times flirting with absolute disaster and risking peril for someone described as omnipotent and who's only motivation is feeding.
He's not all powerful though. The Reaver can hurt. And his plan depends on manipulating Raziel
>I think Raziel's final turn is also poor.
This what I disagree the most with you. It's all very carefully laid bare for us and it's a beautiful if very tragic conclusion.
>Moebius's and Mortanius suffer from massive continuity problems.
I don't really disagree there, but Moebius's always had inconsistent writing since his role should guarantee him some form of omniscience and he fails to see Kain killing him.

>>718275998
Will you let them in or not?

>>718260846 (OP)
>Story makes no sense neither character development.
>Written by a woman
Of course.

>>718276343
I agrew and disagree with some of this and that's good enough. Cheers.

>>718276353
No. I don't like brown people.

>>718272373
>How do you even use the medium well?
stuff like Cloud having pre-emptive materia in the flashback part of FF7 or realizing Cait Sith forces himself into your party with no pushback and he has manipulate materia equipped

>>718260846 (OP)
the top and bottom 5% of writers are women. they're either incredible visionaries, or they can only write marvel quips and rape scenes.

>>718276761
These are nothingburgers

>>718272518
>Everything but storytelling through gameplay
Other mediums can totally provides the same experience. Not a coincidence there's already a movie adaptation in the making.

>>718265104
>Lune somehow being insufferable and emotional, but somehow cold, direct, and calculated(??) in a contradicting way for a woman.
I know many women exactly like this, so it's just accurate and appropriate writing. Some women highly value logic and intelligence, but they're still women so they have their woman moments and have big emotional outbursts or succumb to their feelings way more readily than an equivalent man would. Besides, a big part of Lune's character is that she uses her autism as a coping mechanism to avoid having to engage with her feelings in a healthy way. Sciel even complains to her that she basically abandoned her as a friend so that she could throw herself into her research instead of getting help to deal with her emotions like a normal person. It's an emotional woman trying to use logic as a shield to protect herself from her emotions, but she's still a woman and not a fucking robot.

>>718263614
How exactly does it fall apart? It makes perfect sense all the way through.

>>718276684
You're not a very good Christian then.

>>718276886
>games can't have stories
>but books can
Shut the fuck up before you make a fool of yourself again.

>>718268593
nigga what? are you trolling? you're a faggot if you think earthbound 1 on the famicom is the best written game ever. basedboy ass.

fucking hilarious how half this thread is about some other games story

>>718271558
>Raziel wanted to kill Kain for his own selfish purposes with a side of reviving Janos
No? He says it plainly in SR 2 that he would have killed Kain immediately if he had suspected that it would have made even the slightest difference. Raziel had it figured out even halfway through Soul Reaver 2 that Kain was not in fact the BIG BAD OF EVERYTHING and he was not spiteful or stupid enough to slay him just because Kain had personally hurt him, although he probably would have if Kain were to goad him into it by angering him. Raziel assails Kain in Defiance because Mortanius tells him that Kain has the Heart of Darkness inside of him and the heart is the only way of reviving Janos because it's his fucking heart. Raziel also expresses regret at having to slay Kain to get it, but he had no choice, since he believed that Janos Audron held the key to releasing him from his fate of becoming a soul devouring blade. But he didn't. All he had were half-misunderstood prophecies and the key to the soulforge chamber.

A woman didn't write Metal Gear

>>718277492
Full of plot holes from BO1 in later games.

>>718260846 (OP)
A woman wrote Franken(((stein))) and everybody and their mothers knows that story.

>>718277653
I don't worship rabbis, breh. You let them in your house.

>>718271690
Thanks for outing yourself

>>718277971
The things you describe are continuity errors, not plot holes. You're a pedantic autist that affords no room for separation between the gameplay and the story.

>>718260846 (OP)
>Explain this chuds
A asain women wrote it. She wasn't woke.

A woman didn't write TLOU2

>>718260846 (OP)
>story is a bunch of histrionic family members getting overly emotional instead of using an ounce of logic to solve their problems
Yeah, definitely only could’ve been written by a woman

>>718278151
It's shit writing. Goddamn stop whining

>>718260846 (OP)
>best story in gaming

>>718277770
Itoi's writing across the mother series mogs because he's an outsider to the industry and an actual writer. Coders and stoners can't write. Carmack was right.

>>718264767
the short stories are so good

>>718260846 (OP)
A CHINESE woman.

>>718260846 (OP)
A woman didn’t write bioshock 2

>>718260997
Planescape is boomer slop. It made me cringe so hard with all the YA affectations and Philosophy 101 monologuing about the meaning of life.

>>718260846 (OP)
>pic unrelated
It's not great at all.
And people were trying to say:
>this is like Persona if it had a good story
And then proceeded to have an even worse story. Atlus has a rep for bad plots, it's almost why I like their shit at times.

Hell, Digital Devil Saga is the most amazing trainwreck of all time. That's what made it fun.
Then again, it kinda makes the camp moments fun in E33, because they're just so terrible and forced, but trying to be srs bsns and a bit french and romantic. It does it's own good bad in some ways. Though in E33's case it's clearly unintentional. Not sure in DDS's case, old Atlus didn't give a fuck about plot and loved to make trainwrecks on purpose, that was the fun of it. Persona initially was literally that as a gimmick and P4/5 still kinda continue it.

>>718265217
the mechanics of a story is what makes characters, themes, and journeys work you peabrained leftist
>inb4 m-muh chu-
i don't need you to tell me what you do or don't believe to tell that you got this dimwitted idea from some tranny referencing that one video whining about people whining about plotholes on the internet, your post reeks of that postmodernist drivel

You know what?
I think SotE (written just by From) compared to Elden Ring (written/helped by a proper author) proves that what works in books for narrative just doesn't work in a game because of how games are. It needs a little more pineapple on the pizza if you know what I mean. A little more quirkiness. ER was more traditional narrative perhaps which I like in books far more than quirk in books (tragedy and surreal is just better than uncanny). I think Kojima proves what clicks best in games more, which is just applicable to book writing. You'd have more success with screenplay and film producers though. They have a similar boat at times and often movie adaptations for books just fucking suck or completely outdoes the source. It's rare to get a LotR situation with the film and the book where both do well in their own means, LotR just got lucky that Jackson did it (a slasher film producer who knew what would work).

Hence why Miquella's change in SotE just clicked for more people. He was kinda boring in the original. Too game of thrones and clean. They perturbed him and it just worked better for me. Made him interesting. Made him sorta strange and uncanny.

>>718262926
Pic unrelated?

>>718262031
You forgot to mention 2/3rds of the game focus on the Expeditions and the heroic task of saving Lúmiere only to throw them all away and focus on a family of french sociopaths (who are less interesting than their painted counterparts). Legitimately the worst story I've played in a JRPG in like the last 10 years. Even Eternal Sonata and Star Ocean didn't insult me this hard with their bullshit.

>>718261217
I agree, but that doesn't mean we can't enjoy a good one, does it?

>>718260846 (OP)
A women wrote the best Battle Shounen with FMA.

>>718262031
You forget:
>Gestrals are just a racial archetype of colonial france and their perception of colonial natives
>not much much different to black face really

Even the KKK would find it strange that these sorts of people would write these characters and they loved minstrel shows.
Anglos and even Japs haven't gone this obvious with this shit and the latter made the fucking red lips black guy in DBZ and the former literally made apartheid and equivalents.

Like My Neighbour Totoro and Where the Wild Things are don't do their weird loveable monsters like E33 does with Gestrals. In those things, the warm loveable creatures are very definitely creatures and inhuman to the point where you don't not associate the things that you do mentally with Gestrals, which are a straight up racial archetype and projection of colonialist mentality. You see monsters in Totoro and Wild Things more like god creatures, majestic spirits of the woods, wise but curiously infantile and inhuman. Gestrals just feel like french interpretation of niggers, straight up.

Btw, I like Gestrals, they're great.
But I'm evil.

>>718267383
>Manga about eating food
>The author's name is 食い
that's some George Lucas tier nominative determinism

>>718267753
>writes a manga for women and homos
>loses to a based CRPGstacy
Negdiffed, lowered and humiliated. Goldkuks stay down and know your betters. Play Pathfinder as a Magus with a Monk Scaled Fist dip and then you too might be able to write something good.

>>718278342
>It's shit writing
It's not
Post examples is good writing

>>718280643
*of

>>718280221
Explain?

>>718260997
Video games is a terrible medium for writing. Womyn wrote plenty of good literature and music, the only mediums that matter. Kill yourself, you misogynistic prole.

>>718280775
Her surname is Kui
it sounds like a word that means eating (although admittedly in a form you'd only use as part of a compound word)

>>718271408
>words words words
You used this as an insult against LoK but not planescape?

>>718279563
The only reason you think the stpry "throws them all away" in act 3 is becase you did it in your own head. The entire third act is all about saving those same people of Lumiere and trying to ensure the sacrifices of 70 years of expeditions don't go to waste, IF you think that's what should happen. But it seems like that thought never even crossed your mind.

>>718280221
You mean like Fragile in Death Stranding?
Or most names in LotR?
That sort of thing?

I.e. nordic naming?
Or just naming in general?
>naming your kid something for good luck

>>718280990
Why does that make it like George Lucas?
What's his name got to do with Star Wars?

>>718280791
>women's literature
>opens book
>it's werewolf rape porn
Actually kinda based. I wish you could just make a hentai battle harem as a nov and have disingenuous meninists force the rest of the world to pretend it's high art. You see, my Tanabe Kyou elf correction novel is actually a metaphor for uhhh colonialism.

>>718277908
alright this one is funny

>Eric the Red
Well I guess this name is bad writing now?
Or maybe names just forgot how to be names?

I've always felt modern names just rip off biblical names with next to no thought.
>Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Mary, Peter, Noah, Judas (if you're evil), etc
Then again, Jews and Goys don't have any eyes to see what they curse their children with nowadays.

>>718281009
I wish the characters gave a shit then. It takes 5 minutes for Sciel and Lune to go back to fucking Verso, and Maelle just wants to live in a world where she isn't an ugly cripple. Even Gustave's death is spinned as "wow Verso is so cool and honest for telling me that he planned to have him killed". The only thing the Expeditions ever amounted to was a corpse pile to be puppeteered by a demiurgic necromancer french cripple.

>>718277908
The strongest story know to gaming.

The only thing you need to make a "good story" by normgroid video game standards is to make it bleak. Make it a bit depressing, maybe even kill a few beloved characters, and you win.

I don't know I just don't want it to be a corridor game next time. What was the point of a shitty jump button when 90% of the maps have invisible walls between places you should be able to clearly jump from? FFXIII was better than this and that game was ass.

>>718260846 (OP)
doesnt the ending literally rip off wandavision?

>>718281275
That scene alone made me realise that shills in the games industry were becoming a bit of a problem, because journalists all seem to agree this game has the best writing out there.
Metaphor is miles better than this shit and we all agree it's a trainwreck and just call it a day. There's some interesting themes and it's tighter than other SMT, that's about it.
E33 fans on the other hand will screech autistically if you question the writing like Persona 3 fans for some fucking reason. It's bizarre.

>>718260846 (OP)
I already knew that a woman wrote Legacy of Kain. No idea what that photorealistic slop you just posted is.

>>718278895
>zoomer
>planescape torment

zoom zoom is cute pretending he could actually sit through all that text dialogue and didnt just "watch" youtube a lets play on 1.5x speed (while doomscrolling on his phone of course)

id fuck him in his cute smooth zoomie ass for that post

>>718281492
It's not really that simple

>>718261217
How would you feel if they took your bing bing wahoo game and gave it Dustborn's story?

>>718260846 (OP)
Pretty sure a fat man wrote Elden Ring.

>>718281815
elden ring was never good

it ranks below ds 3 as one of the worst souls games

ds2 was the last time they inovated

>>718280643
Start outside the medium of videogames, anon.

>>718281998
It's still better than the best WRPG story.

>>718281751
I see no accident tf?

>>718281998
>DS2 innovation
>DS1, but with a couple new mechanics, plays identically
>This is somehow more innovative than Sekiro/BB

>>718260846 (OP)
>creates an amazing world
>forgets about it by the end for family drama
typical woman behavior

>>718281751
Why is this so arousing?

>>718270392
Lmao. Yes it does. The japanese can't help themselves.

>>718281751
It really is dude. When a community is so adamant of perfection, it is hard to criticise it without blowback. Like a strong cult.

This is why gacha fags are often the worst when they are 10k in debt in their habits.

>>718268379
>engarde!
>putain!

>>718282826
More novel than
>EHHH SUGOI DESU NEEEEE!!
>girl falls with ass onto the scrawny mc's face

>>718260846 (OP)
We know

>>718260846 (OP)
Was XC3 written by a woman as well? You know the game that E33 copies its story from.

>>718260846 (OP)
Women write amazing video game stories all the time. Women are good writers.

>>718260846 (OP)
>best story
it sucks ass
it starts off wanting to be an epic journey about killing a world-ending threat and then drives off a cliff into a silly family drama.
it can't decide on what it wants to be, tries to do both and ends up invalidating itself as a plot.

>>718260846 (OP)
Yeah, Rance was written by a woman.

>>718260997
>>718260846 (OP)
So foids only write trash got it

I came here to post about LoK, and for once, I'm not disappointed in /v/.

There are a handful of really good female writers but lets be real here 99% of them are fucking awful.

>>718285932
everyone in the games industry sucks giga ass at writing. we can be gender equal for once and say its all dogshit. Kojimbles has good ideas but only speaks in exposition dumps, Miyazaki had the fat obese novelist to write for Elden Ring and it was still incomprehensible fallen kingdom gods and goddesses babble. FF and Zelda is more for vibes and music, OoT is the greatest game of all time but even then I wouldn't say its story would be all that compelling as a movie or a book, but it works because its a game. The last of us and Red Dead 2 can maybe be taken a little more seriously but it's all just derivative of McCarthy or another author.

>>718286784
>everyone in the games industry sucks giga ass at writing
Still infinitely better than anything hollywood has shat out in over a decade.

>>718260846 (OP)
And it was trash
Call of duty has better story this what ever tumblr tier fanfic this was

>>718286910
watch War of the Worlds on Amazon Prime then you'll see what the final form of cinematic writing looks like

>>718261024
kek OP BTFO

>>718260846 (OP)
Explain what chud is supposed to mean first.

>>718287184
cat homo using drugs

>>718260846 (OP)
Hate to be misogynistic but Lead writers are always puppets for the director. Doubly so for a woman so go ahead and downgrade that puppet to glorified secretary.

>>718289221
exactly there's no way they just let anyone join from reddit and leave the entire story up to them in a genre where story is largely important. The director must have given her a plain outline of ideas and she theory crafted and from there and fleshed it out

>>718281425
based

>>718260846 (OP)
She loves getting fucked by real men and knows how to write interesting ones. Meanwhile in the West... LOL LMAO

>>718268593
Undertale is just a rehashing story telling style of Mother and the former seems pretty popular.

Im at the beginning of act 3. When does the story get good?

i don't understand how E33 threads always fill to the limit with discussing the endings but yet now when discussing if the story is actually well written its crickets. what the hell

>>718260846 (OP)
It's not the best and it's actually kinda retarded a little bit but it's not awful, just sort of strange. She did a good job overall for what I assume is her first go at it.

>>718260846 (OP)
You mean by stealing some of the core elements of xenoblade 3's story? (Fake world, people who's days are literally numbered)

>>718260846 (OP)
it was a man actualy
the same idiots who belive it was writen by woman belive the lie that it was "new dev indie studio"
while in reality they are veterans
also gameplay is just dodge/parry simulator

>>718290492
>also gameplay is just dodge/parry simulator
also known as "deeper gameplay than 99% of JRPGs".

E33's writing has no cultural impact so far. I am talking about people learning things from the characters or the world. Look at GoW and Red Dead, Kratos and Arthur are seen as positive male figures to learn from. BotW shows you can come back and save the day even after suffering defeat. Hell even Minecraft teaches you to stay curious and keep exploring. What could E33 POSSIBLY say. It doesn't even comment on moving on from grief, it's all up to player interpretation at the end.

>>718290643
Only if you played like two

>>718290643
Ive seen PS1 JRPGs with far more depth in gameplay. Nice try baguette.

>>718291847
You're not fooling anyone.
>>718292035
That looks like diarhea lil' bro

It gets a lot of the characterization right. Renoir is probably the most human villain there is, and when you see the situation he's in it invokes the image of a man trying to make his wife and daughter go to rehab. "OH WELL YOU'RE A TYRANT!", but even as they're getting pissed at him you as the player see that he's fucking right. Not only that, his son didn't WANT to fucking paint, and the existence of this thing that's basically holding a piece of his son's soul hostage to sustain itself is an insult to his memory.

>>718260997
Most of Planescape Torment dialogues were written by a woman.

People need to realise how kino FF8's story is, it's just a bit awkwardly told in the latter parts.

>>718264767
Good game, I got soft locked with a bad save and didn't beat it, unfortunately.

>>718277908
Technically, she did.
Agness Kaku localized MGS2 as a solo job. It's the best Japanese to English translation of any MGS.

>>718260846 (OP)
a woman didn't write pong

>>718289632
Undertale is the collective unconscious of Tumblr and homostuck, with a bleeding heart version of an SMT alignment system baked in. It's not actually all that much like Mother aside from the plagiarized music here and there.

>>718292145
better than E33. you actually have to line up the button input with the hit.
Attacking in E33 doesn't even line up with any animations. they're the most low quality QTE prompts.

i would say the plot twist in FF7 is better well written than the one in E33

>>718262031
Verso letting Gustave die makes perfect sense you absolute retard

>>718260846 (OP)
I mean it's a pretty good story but it isn't the best story in gaming.
I mean I know a lot of /v/ users are young, but honestly? Just because you found a single above average story in a sea of mediocre shit like Undertales story doesn't mean it's the best in gaming.

>>718293914
Why?

>>718294089
Verso wanted to join and lead/control the expedition and he would never have been able to do that with Gustave around.

Gustave and Lune are shown to be the two most intelligent of the expeditioners. Lune is the party member who distrusts Verso the most, so it is reasonable to assume Gustave would as well for the same logical reasons Lune does. Maelle just does whatever Gustave says so that would mean the majority of the party does not trust Verso and would likely not let him join.

Now with Gustave dead, only Lune distrusts him, Maelle doesn't care because she just wants revenge and Sciel always plays the mediator. All of a sudden the majority is in favor of Verso joining and he becomes their leader basically.

>>718262031
>>718293914 (me)

Also, painted Renoir has a genuine and real reason to kill everyone, and what do you mean "cucks" to the party? You beat him fair and square?

>>718260846 (OP)
Stick a thousand chimps with typewriters in a room and they'll eventually write Shakspear.

>>718260846 (OP)
Sick of hearing about this fucking frog slop

>>718294552
but how would have verso even known of all of that, they were separated for a good chunk before they found Maelle and then the next sequence leads into Gustave's death. there's no way verso would have been able to analyze the groups dynamics that well and determine Gustave needs to die. its just plot bullshit because the story needs it to happen, not because it makes sense. writers are hacks, go gargle donkey dong

>>718260846 (OP)
I really like the characters, but the story fails to make the connection between two distinct narratives, the whole survival and sacrifice of the expeditions and the family drama never converge, act 3 solely focused in Verso and Maelle while Lune and Sciel, the last connection to the Lumiere storyline just disappeared, figuratively and literally.

I know for a fact that anything story related normalfags like you gush over is pure slop

mom with magic powers gets addicted to playing the Sims lol groundbreaking

>>718295362
Stories don’t simply exist to check off literary conventions, you midwit. There’s a time and place for convergence and it wasn’t this story.

>>718281714
Don't act like it's a generational thing. I've seen millennials and gen xers have worse attention spans. That's just how fucked peoples brains are now

>>718260997
When will the "Disco Elysium is one of the pinnacles of video game writing" meme end?

>>718293905
In retrospect, the plot twist in FF7 was just memorable because it was unprecedented for slant-eye writers to maintain narrative focus for that long into a JRPG. Sadly the writers just phoned it in for the rest of Disk 2 though.

I'm about to start Act 2 and not at any point did I think "wow this is great writing"

>>718296026
do you even think?

>>718296062
He thinks harder than the average impressionable normie.

>>718295503
>Stories don’t simply exist to check off literary conventions
so the story is ass on purpose? you mean literary conventions like every story ever written in the history of mankind barring experimental and surrealist works which E33 definitely is not. There is a fundamental issue with the beginning setting expectations and the ending failing to deliver on them and instead of arguing against the point you just wave your hand and say "well you shouldn't have assumed the abstract concept of narrative and thematic continuity would have been consistent throughout". instead of talking about the story you attack their meta knowledge of writing and how they approach art to make the other person feel like an idiot. you are a pseud if i have ever seen one.

>>718296158
>instead of talking about the story you attack their meta knowledge of writing
That's literally what you're doing. Expedition 33 is a story about the Dessendres . You want it to narratively swing back to Lumiere at the end. But you never ask yourself why they decided not to. That's how much of a midwit you are.

>>718296547
no you are wrong. you don't even know the first thing about the philosophy of writing or how people interact with it. The framework of the story set in the beginning that people perceived and gauged every other scene by was the expedition itself to stop the paintress. It was all in a painting which was the center of family drama yes but the story in the beginning at that point in time was about the expedition. And you don't even know what it means to "narratively swing back to Lumiere in the end." i don't expect them to change the story to have Lune and Sciel save the day so in the end the expedition won, but they don't even get to talk about what they think of everything, they don't struggle with their humanity or what it means to be alive, if they would have just been given a bigger chance to give a final statement on Lumiere's fate it would have been better, it would have brought some of those questions from the beginning to a close. Expedition 33 is about the literal Expedition 33 who discovered halfway through the story they were in a painting controlled by a family. The story THEN turns to the Dessendre plot. It wasnt always about the Dessendres, the fact you can't separate the two means you really are a pseud. i don't even really like this fucking story but you are missing the point so much i have to defend it.

>>718295317
Verso knew them. He regularly went back to Lumiere to check on Maelle. He 100% had a profile of Gustave and the relation Maelle had with him.
I disagree with the another anon above however in that the reason he lets him die is because the expedition would never follow his leadership while the previous party leader is sill alive, especially Maelle. It is also true that Gustave is the most clever and would see through Verso long before they face the paintress which Verso wanted to avoid, although I assume Gustave would have been the human party member most likely to just agree with Verso.

>>718295317
Verso is a massive stalker, Maelle would trust Gustavo fring over a random guy like Verso had he saved him

>>718260846 (OP)

The "openness" of act 3 (literally one mission, the final mission)
is kinda lame, imo.
Everything else is side story and optional, very gay, imo.

>>718281005
Haven't "played" Planescape.

>>718272202
>5 gb
Literally one DVD.

>>718272373
>How do you even use the medium well?
See: Subnautica.

>>718260846 (OP)
>NTR
>Best story
Biggest fucking kek of the year.

>>718277908
MGS2 was translated by a woman and is the only one with a half decent English script.

I don't get it
HELP

>>718297715
>Everything else is side story and optional, very gay, imo
And if you do that optional stuff you end up severely overleveled for the final dungeon and bosses

>>718262926
Why are you posting the expansion with the worst MSQ?

>>718297231
>>718295362
>>718296547
The Expeditions setup is 100% copied from Attack on Titan, which is why it doesn't really fit with the wacky JRPG hijinks in the middle nor the family drama at the end.
Attack of Titan and all its copycats (and predecessors like Claymore and Gurren Lagan) always have big twists, and usually the big one is a "Plato's Cave" twist that reveals that the world is not what it seems. Expedition 33 went with the most hackneyed twist possible, because the "virtual simulation" twist allows the writer to disregard everything that happened previously.

She didn't even let him say goodbye before she gommaged Alicia bros.

>>718260846 (OP)
>woman writes indy game about depression
waow le deep

>>718295970
FFVII has multiple crazy twists and it's the prototype for these type of twisty stories alongside Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water. Shit like E33 lives merely in the shadow of all this old Wapanese shit.

I lost conplete interest in the story when it was revealed that everything happened in a painting and nothing really mattered.