Thread 718263779

Nomura said that Final Fantasy XVI is not a real Final Fantasy game.

>>718263779 (OP)
It isn't, but it continues the trend of Final Fantasy games being homosexual slop for very special boys.

>>718263779 (OP)
There hasn't been one in over 20 years.

yoshit pee lOL

pot calling the kettle black

>>718263779 (OP)
To be fair, no final fantasy after X feels like a real final fantasy.

>>718263779 (OP)
I've never been a fan of elemental strengths/weaknesses. It's not that they're bad, it's that they're a super simple abstraction that turns something real and logical into a kind of minigame, and I think it makes sense when designing a small video game, but nowadays you can do so much more complex shit in video games that I'd much rather see the elements programmed to do what the actual elements in real life would do, which can include strengths and weaknesses but should be more nuanced.

When I think of Final Fantasy, I think of pic related. I wonder what Nomura would say to that.

>>718264892
*IX

>>718263779 (OP)
>I didn't want it to be a game where it's a reflex-type action or reflex-based battle
>is the reason XV was action based

>>718263779 (OP)
Metaphor is a forgotten flop.

you people need to be hospitalized doing this every single day

>>718268007
Now THAT game is what you call overrated. Not that’s it’s bad, but it didn’t deserve any 10s or 9s

>>718267967
Yes, but as VS13 it was meant to be a spinoff title and not mainline.

>>718265086
I think trying to imitate reality in an rpg system is a bad idea more often than not.
Wanting an elemental system to be more mechanically complex, sure, but just going "let's make it more like real life because games can do that now!" is a bad reason imo.
>I wonder what Nomura would say to that.
he would probably commend you given that tactics is a literal tactics game

>>718266048
Eh, the only failing of X as a Final Fantasy was the lack of a world map. The writing was very Final Fantasy and the combat had all the hallmarks of a Final Fantasy.

>>718268046
>you people need to be hospitalized doing this every single day
back to suckin'

>>718263779 (OP)
Well yeah, Yoshi's an Ivalice fag.
And anything that is Ivalice related or inspired by Ivalice tends to not feel like Final Fantasy

>>718268745
for being an ivalice fag he sure hates the gameplay of every ivalice game for some reason

>>718267967
Read the quote again you retarded fuck. He's talking about the games having a tactical element. A game being action doesn't mean there can't be no strategy.

>>718263779 (OP)
He's right

>>718264892
xv feels the most ff since 7

>two boomer teams accusing each other of making wrong Final Fantasy while delivering more shit
You love to see it

>>718265086
>i think of an irrelevant spinoff that is not a real ff and sold less than any ff with a modern/scifi setting and was just a reskinned tactics ogre

lol

>>718270748
Funnily enough the official final fantasy twitter account uses ramza as their pfp

>>718270921
thats because the tactics remaster is coming out soon

>>718263779 (OP)
Not enough zippers on the party members' clothes?

>>718270748
>not a real ff
Do we know what this is? I assume the biggest component is story, but gameplay elements are very much involved too.

>>718267967
XV is a mix of action based and command based, everything is still dependent on rpg stats, elemental affinities and weapon attributes and with heavy use of resource management
the tech bar is an atb bar, mp bar is mp, armiger is limit break
it also literally has the most status effects of any ff
it also has wait mode

meanwhile ff16 has nothing resembling ff
not even any resource management or even a fucking magic stat
no elemental affinities
no status effects

the rpg system director for ffxv was Takatsugu Nakazawa who was battle planner on ff7, ff8, ff10 and ff10-2 battle director
he made the materia system and the sphere grid system too

If Sakaguchi didn't work on it, it's not a real final fantasy game.

FFXIII wasn't a real final fantasy game.
FFXIV wasn't a real final fantasy game.
FFXV wasn't a real final fantasy game.
FFXVI wasn't a real final fantasy game.

>>718271070
>Final Fantasy is a series by Squaresoft (now Square Enix) best described as a ragtag group of unlikely heroes learning about their world and their place in it. Personal growth stories. Crystals also play a role in these stories as small as in FFII with the Crystal Rod, or as large as FFXV and FFXIII where crystals define what characters can and can't do. Though not every unlikely hero is playable, their growth takes center stage in both gameplay and story, which is why you have Jobs, character classes, and changes in ability acquisition systems every entry or so. Combat systems also tend to differ from entry to entry. Games also use physical appearance to show that strong changes in character have taken place for certain characters, like Kain in IV and The After Years, Garnet in FFIX, and the l'Cie brand system in FFXIII. No matter what the worlds look like, there is always a mix of magic and technology influencing the setting. Now there are two 'main' strands of Final Fantasy games.

>Games by Kitase and his people (Nomura, Toriyama) strongly focus on interactions within the player party, and by seeing characters develop, you learn more about the world and the events that go on in it. Characters tend to drive the plot as a result and by uncovering themselves do story events move forward leading to many plot twists and turns. as is the case in the XIII 'Lightning Saga' trilogy. These give these games strong emotional impact, which is what X is especially known for.

>Games by Matsuno and his people (Yoshida, Maehiro) instead focus more on warring factions affecting the player party, and characters develop separately from lore. In these games, characters act in response to political intrigue with long in-game history, which what drives the plot. You also get some commentary here too, like with the Yugoslav Wars and Square company culture as in Tactics, or even some nation building in response to migrant diasporas in XIV.

>>718270921
because they're promoting the remaster right now you dumb fuck
square enix had forspoken as their twitter banner when that was releasing too

>>718271241
>Nakazawa
He made Crisis Core and Type-0's battle systems I think. What was the RPG system? Items, elemancy and equipment? I know he made the draw points too.

>>718271241
XV is more of an rpg but I still dont like the battle system. it feels floaty and unresponsive which hinders strategy. i think remake and rebirth are much better attempts at synthesizing action and rpg

>XV is not a real FF game
Umm based?!

>>718271332
>Kitase
Reminder that he ruined Nomura's life by rejecting Project Black in favor of Motomu Toriyama's Colors World pitch. Nomura even made Project Black a year before Toriyama worked on the document for his waifu trilogy and Kitase told him to fuck off.

>>718271267
Sakaguchi said ffxv was his goty, he also went out of his way to contact tabata to give him feedback on the duscae demo and SE implemented Sakaguchis feedback into the final game, so Sakaguchi therefore worked on ffxv
he also did a collab with ffxv with terra wars and ffxv event that he worked on so yes Sakaguchi worked on ffxv

Was he in the credits?

>>718271467
Thank Teruki Endo, Kosuke Sakane, Ryota Iwagami, Masanori Sato and Daisuke Sase for that anon. They worked on Remake and Rebirth. Their boss left in the prototype phase though, presumably to work on KH3.
Nomura needs to rehire Yuichi Kanemori and remove Yuji Abe from his self-inflcited mobage hell to work on KH4.

the guys who developed World of Final Fantasy already proved the formula still works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxIxaIJO3FI

>>718271438
the gear/accesory/weapon stats, the weapon system and weapon attributes, the food buff system, the status effects and passives, the hidden break and vulnerable stat, the hidden weapon level stat, the hidden light, medium, strong and heavy attack delegation etc

>>718268549
>I think trying to imitate reality in an rpg system is a bad idea more often than not
You have it completely backwards. The entire point of an RPG is to imitate reality. A roleplaying game is a game where you slip yourself into the shoes of a character whose background, personality and goals have been decided on by yourself, and the game world exists to react to you and provide the experience you would expect that type of character to have to go through. If the world follows its own alien laws and problems aren't solved the way you expect them to be solved, how are you even roleplaying? You're just playing a game, whose ins and outs were arbitrarily decided by the developer. If you decide to play a baker only for the GM to tell you that wheat rains from clouds, bread rises with gold and it can't be used to fill stomach but is instead used as hats, tell me, are you ACTUALLY roleplaying as a baker? It doesn't sound like you bake or that the bread you make is even really bread, so how are you a baker? This is why the world needs to react to the player as they expect, which means realistically - at least to a greater degree than a non-RPG. When you cast Create Water in D&D, you don't have to ask what the water does, it's fucking water. That's the entire point. You can drink it or use it to make the floor slippery or put out fires or do whatever else water does. In most JRPGs they'd make it heal status ailments or something fantastic like that, like it isn't actual water. On its own, that's not a bad thing for a game, but since it's an RPG, you're now violating expectations from the player. That might be fine. It also might not be. Depends on the player.
>he would probably commend you given that tactics is a literal tactics game
Read my post again. I didn't say Final Fantasy should "play" like that. I said it should LOOK like that.

>>718271665
>Mitsunori Takahashi
If you read the patents he came up with the idea of slowing the game down when entering commands in Tactical Mode. Terrible decision.

>>718271332
>You also get some commentary here too, like with the Yugoslav Wars and Square company culture as in Tactics, or even some nation building in response to migrant diasporas in XIV
really ironic statement considering yoshida completely axed the garlemald plot because of the ukraine war

>>718271561
sakaguchi also said xvi was his goty, its just politeness for his former coworkers, he would be a giant douche to not act this way, especially in japan

>>718271665
i still think the whole action rpg project is a bad idea in the first place, just that they're the ones who've made the best attempt at it. they should've just let kh be their action rpg series and continue developing the FFX combat model

>>718271332
Where did this pasta come from?

>>718271467
i disagree because it feels tighter and more responsive than ff7r or 16
also it has dodge cancels and aerial dodge cancels which give it more freedom than 7r or 16

>>718271541
xv has elemental affinities and status effects so he's saying xv is a real ff

only xvi isn't a real ff by nomuras definition

>>718264892
12 is still very much FF, but I agree with 13, 15, and 16 sucking

>>718271730
have you ever played a fantasy game before
>I said it should LOOK like that.
ok? he would probably disagree with you, because that artstyle doesn't work for the kind of stories nomura likes to tell. its fine for a game like tactics where units are impersonal. but graphics shouldn't be what defines a GAME series. that's retarded.

>>718271543
Did we ever learn why Kitase assigned Toriyama to a numbered game and made Nomura work on a lower priority spinoff?

>>718271613
yes

>>718270748
Is this an irrelevant spinoff?

>>718272060
>Naoto Ohshima
Who?

>ANOTHER FF threads that will reach bump limit
The rent free is hilarious

>>718272096
She knows who he is. A shame she's not here...

>>718272139
Gotta protect Tabatha’s reputation, after all.

>>718272167
>She
Who?

>>718271781
no he didn't he never said ff16 was his goty

he also never worked with tabata at se since tabata joined after Sakaguchi left
he went out of his way to contact tabata to give him episode duscae feedback and then he became friends with tabata through that

he even said he likes tabata more than yoshitpiss

>>718271830
12 sucks my hairy asshole
15 mogs it in every way

GET HIS ASS BARRY

>>718272348
12 has more build variety than 15

>>718272267
This is a Final Fantasy thread. How do you not know who she is?

>>718271267
Sakaguchi didn't do shit for the vast majority of the series, the moment he actually had the decency to really work, sort of, was with IX and IX was an abject failure
No idea why that fraud is still venerated in here when he's regarded as a total joke by anyone with a brain

>>718272080
FF1 is not ff tactics you fucking retard
I'm not talking about ff tactics stealing character designs either

by your own fucking logic ff7 isn't a ff

>>718272139
yoshitpiss really destroyed FF>>718272379

>>718272379
yeah but you dont actually play them.. you are just the camera guy lol

>>718271923
>have you ever played a fantasy game before
Yes, D&D, the Souls games and most of the FFs. I love fantasy.
>ok? he would probably disagree with you
Wow, he would? I wonder if I thought that when I made my original post! I wonder if maybe that was my point.
>because that artstyle doesn't work for the kind of stories nomura likes to tell. its fine for a game like tactics where units are impersonal. but graphics shouldn't be what defines a GAME series. that's retarded.
My point is that Nomura is a closet homosexual whose games are full of effeminate men in leather and covered in belts, pushing cars around and fighting modern soldiers and CEOs. I can't believe you have the audacity to ask if I've ever played a fantasy game before in defense of fucking Nomura. Has HE ever played a fantasy game before? I don't think his industrial boy band movies count.

Okay, so they made all the attacks functionally indistinguishable. What is the point of player customization then? You just plug in whatever and never think about that system again. You might as well remove it at that point.

I dunno, I thought FFXV had a lot of variety in the magic grenades that you could throw.

>>718272594
Anon FF has been dead for 20 years, you always say the current guy killed FF . Accept you have a toxic relationship with this ip and you will be there for ff17 and to overanalyze anything

>>718272527
Are mulattos white?

Ok let's look away from the dev teams and employees for a second. What story elements, themes, gameplay systems, art direction etc makes a Final Fantasy game a real Final Fantasy game?

>>718271267
Why did you ignore lost Odyssey and Fantasian

>>718272484
Koichi Ishii said Nomura and Takai are the soul of FF, anon.

>>718272601
that's true but you dont really play anyone in XV either...you literally hold down the button and noctis will just keep playing for you

>>718272618
you don't seem like you have any points, just projection and petty irrelevant grievances. final fantasy has featured androgynous designs since FF1. I recommend you stop being a tourist and stick to talking about the kind of games you actually enjoy, instead of forcing a series to be something it isn't. have a good day.

>>718272923
Who?

>>718272379
no it doesn't

ff12 has 17 weapon types and 3 party members at once

ff15 has 23 weapon types and 4 party members at once plus a guest slot for 5
ff15 also has more status effects than ff12

also every weapon in 12 is auto battle
in xv every weapon is an entire new moveset on both ground and in air and can be swapped on the fly

my first job in FFXIV was black mage and was weird as fuck using Fires against Ifrit.

>>718273256
"Final Fantasy" XII is also about boring politics in boring rooms. No romance or personal growth or anything. Just a bunch of meaningless current affairs shit.

>>718272858
>mages with obscured faces
>world is powered by crystals
>said power is fading
>outdoors are full of knockoff D&D monsters
>classes are called jobs
>someone is "the last dragoon"
>main antagonist is in over their head and the actual final villain is the personification of chaos or something similar
>at least one party member dies
>people ride chocobos instead of horses
>people have friendly magical assistants called moogles
If you don't have six of these, you're not Final Fantasy.

>>718272925
you actively play as your character in xc
you dont play as anyone in 12
12 plays itself
you're just the camera

in 15 you string attacks and actions together and positioning changes your attacks and you have attack strings and chains and charge moves and directional inputs and weapon switching and dodge rolls and dodge cancels and pause attacks and manual finishers, all tied to stats and weapon attributes and gear

in ff12 you dont play as anyone you just watch everyone auto attack

>>718272702
FF16 has no elemental affinities
FF16 has no magic stat
FF16 has no magic cost
FF16 has no mp
FF16 has no ethers

FF16 has no magic

FF15 has elemental affinities
FF15 has magic stat
FF15 has elemental stats
FF15 has magic cost through elemancy pounts and MP
FF15 has ethers
FF15 has 4 different kinds of magic function from warp, phase, elemancy to ring, plus magic elemental weapons which convert all basic attacks into magic damage instead
plus ignis magic
plus comrades magic
plus ardyn magic
plus party techniques which use ATB to perform magic skills like ignis's sagefire tech or giving prompto elemental guns so bullets deal status effects and elemental magic damage and stack on his piercer tech
or armiger dealing magical damage too

meanwhile xvi has no fucking magic

>>718273538
>>718273625
Persona 5 had all that and you seethed against that game
You didn't even 100% ffxv, remember that

>>718273748
>FFXV’s greatest champion didn’t even 100% the game he spends his entire life defending as he combs the internet for anyone who says anything remotely neutral about it and harasses them

Wow.

>>718272923
>A character designer with peter pan syndrome and a former SaGa dev are the soul of FF
Grim, but if Ishii really said that I believe it

>>718273625
bayonetta is more of an rpg than xvi. comparing any rpg to xvi on the basis of its rpg elements is setting an absurdly low bar for yourself

>>718263779 (OP)
yoshida did to the gameplay of final fantasy what nomura had done years ago to its soul, its just a gay puppet being paraded around now

>>718273424
>boring politics in boring rooms.
It's about how people are affected by politics and they have to use crystals to change something about it. Like FFX and VI. Two of the most beloved FFs ever

>>718273862
Jannies even had to SHUT IT DOWN
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/704888187/#704959767
Also if you can only talk about your game by shitting on others that means your game is shit, since it can't last on its own. You will see P5 threads on their own while you only see the same indian defending 15 only in other games threads

>>718274001
Not to be that guy but every FF has been making subtle political influences in its games since FF2. 1, 3, and 5 don't have much to say about that. 15 and 9 are light on it too

>>718273748
>>718273862
where did I ever say anything about p5 you retard
nobody is even talking about persona5 itt until you just now you fucking retard we're talking about final Fantasy
fuck off with your whataboutism

also you were not even old enough to post on 4chan when ffxv released you seething xivfag

>>718274001
X and 6 had a lot of emotional moments

>>718274042
>Also if you can only talk about your game by shitting on others that means your game is shit
Damning statement for this entire board since every thread is like that

>>718273256
>moveset
>claiming it's anything like "classic" FF

>>718274119
So did XII. You act as if emotional moments are what make a Final Fantasy game a real Final Fantasy game.

>>718274042
Damn… and to think, the time he spends shitting on everything else could’ve been spent 100% his big gay roadtrip game!

>>718270625
>extraordinarily loud, apocalyptic chorus of laughter

>>718273959
nomura is FFs soul

>>718272379
Yes
>>718273256
But even so 12 has better build variety and better combat than 15
>>718273424
True, I much prefer character focus than world focus, 12 suffers from having a boring story

>>718274150
>>718273925
>>718273424
What's even more amusing is that when he was working on Versus Nomura hired Matsuno devs, SaGa and TLR devs to work under his KH2 codirectors.

>>718274108
Because I remember you schizo shitting on P5. Anyone can check bazztek + persona 5 to see how much of a poser you are
And remember: you didn't 100% ffxv and needed 6 months to get the platinum
>>718274128
This is why those
>Play this game I never talk about instead PLEASE
Sucks. If you need to beg in other threads your game is shit, simple as. This pajeet has been talking more about some mmo shit game and likely saw thousands of videos about it, lore, characters and everything, compared to actually make ff15 threads

>>718263779 (OP)
Do the devs of XVI think they made a real Final Fantasy game....?

>>718273862
>>718274042
>>718274128
>>718274190
>>718274196
oh look the xivgook and hid discord of trannies just woke up

>>718274196
Why doesn't anyone like ff16

>>718274252
Nomura should have worked on XVI. He and Takahashi would have made magic together.

>>718274318
>My post wasn't even defending your precious MMO
Rent free dude. Look at expedition 33, that game is newer and it already had more threads than FFXV.

how did...ff15...break you...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8lvAq_yp_w

>>718274042
>>718274128
>>718273862
>>718273748
Your own post shows you're boogeyman did 100% the game
are you retards blind

>>718274385
According to this, IX is a better game than XV… which is deadass true.

>>718263779 (OP)
Nomura made one (1) real final fantasy, and probably because he had a very strong tard wrangler.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzfUardkloY
he was right

>>718274272
>Nomura hired Matsuno devs, SaGa and TLR devs to work under his KH2 codirectors.
And in the end we were stuck with the guy who made that crap combat for a bunch of PSP games and 10-2?

WE WERE ROBBED

>>718274150
Its system was designed by ff7, ff8, ff10/10-2 combat devs so yes it is

>>718274272
no he didn't

>>718274150
if you do the 1st attack on a weapon only then its the same as just inputting attack in any other ff

>>718274385
No party system
Ps5 only
Mc too old (just like how they rejected Basch for Vaan)

>>718274261
12 has no combat and less build variety
noctis alone has more build variety than entire ff12 party

>>718274551
If you indulge me in some exposition

11, 12, 14 and 16 do not feel like they fit with the rest of the FF franchise.

>>718274278
Nobody mentioned p5 in this thread until you sperged out retard
are you fucking retarded? why hsvnt you 100% persona 5 or every ff?

>>718274427
Expedition 33 the game inspired by ffxv?

>>718274551
>>718272923
>>718273891
If you indulge me in some exposition (forgot this)
>What is Nomura's endgame? (Dividing Good Hires/2 Teams Or More In Their Early Days)
>There are theories that Nomura is making use of a power vacuum at Square ever since the 2 CEOs + Tabata left. Koichi Ishii [of Mana] told him to cement or maintain SquareSOFT's old culture for a new generation before he put up Grezzo.
>That's why Nomura stayed.

>Nomura has big plans for Square in and out of KH. He plans to control it and make it a safe haven for younger devs like he did with KH1, Dissidia, TWEWY and Versus each time. Even the 7R games are him just sending design documents his apprentices to work on.
>This happened with Kingdom Hearts, this happened with Dissidia, this happened with Versus and to some extent the Osaka Team is this too.
>What he needs to do is to get his old KH team members stuck in CBU1 that only recently got senior positions (Mitsunori Takahashi and co), move them to CBU3, rehire Yuichi Kanemori and make Versus under Yoshi-P, Maehiro and Nojima clashing in the writers room for another trilogy.

>Kingdom Hearts
>Younger FF (7/8) devs who did work for 9/10, Legend of Mana, Chrono Cross
>Now I know why he's playing those games

>Osaka Team
>Younger KH devs /also/ mixed with people from Musashi 2 who wanted to please the boss by making 3D CoM

>Dissidia
>Younger devs who only worked on KH, a few from FF11

>Versus 13
>Nomura reportedly looked for people who worked on 7 and 8 but never got lead positions on purpose
>KH but 2FM hire Masanori Sato was immediately promoted to Lead Battle Planner under Yuichi Kanemori (then moved to Regalia when Nomura was fired)
>Younger half of Dirge devs, some stayed on 13 but did not work on 13-2 including future SoP director Daisuke Inoue
>A large crop of FF12/SaGa devs including Gambit system dev Takashi Isowaki
>Some FF11 devs like Nobuyoshi Mihara
>Devs from Team Gyromancer/Last Remnant lumped in with Kawazu devs like Masato Yagi

>>718274826
I wonder how much Tabata paid for it, Neil druckmann did with other japanese directors

>>718274435
why did yoshitpiss kill ff

>>718274483
according to that ffxv is better than ff16 and 14 and 12 and 11 and 8 and 7 and 1-6

>>718274715
i think 11 fits in more than most people would argue actually. the developers were inspired heavily be ff3, and the everquest style design still gives it enough RPG to feel like a FF game to me, even if its a heavily experimental one

>>718274910
But it’s worse than IX and X.

>>718274874
>What will become of the Tokyo Team? (Part 5)
Star-studded team below:
>Programming
Hideki Matsuoka (TLR, UE3 testing, UE4 dev for KH3 and after)
Takashi Isowaki (FF12 Gambit system, TLR, KH3)
Kengo Naka (KH2, TLR, Bloodmasque, KH3)
Mitsuru Kawahara (TLR, Gyromancer, Bloodmasque, 14 2.55, 16)
Shinichi Kurokawa (TLR, 4 year gap, 14 2.0, DQX 2.0 and after)

>Battle Planning
Takeshi Yamagishi (Dirge, FFCB, DQX 2.0, SGSG, SGEB)
Hiroshi Tomomatsu (FF12 Biome system, TLR)
Mitsuru Yokoyama (TWEWY)

>Event Planning
Masato Yagi (pic related, Rudra, 7, 8, Legend of Mana, TLR, Guns and Soul, Rise of Mana)
Koji Kobayashi (FM5, TLR, 13, Bloodmasque)
Takeshi Tateishi (FF12, TLR, potential storyboards)
Shuhei Ishikawa (FM5, TLR, 13, 14, Bloodmasque, Diofield)
Akihiko Maeda (KH2, Crisis Core, Wizrogue, Chocobo)
Atsuko Ishikura (KH2, 12 TZA, Jun Akiyama's wife)

>World Planning
Daisuke Inoue (CC, Dirge, 13 Hunts, LR Dead Dunes and Monster Lead, SoP Director)

>3D Modelling
Fumitaka Yano (CONFIRMED on LinkedIn, Dirge)

>VFX Leads
Mitsuharu Yoshida (CONFIRMED on LinkedIn, Dirge)
Yoshimitsu Inagaki (TLR, Gyromancer, Bloodmasque, SGSG, SGEB)

>VFX
Gakushi Kobayashi (KH2, Dissidia 012, SaGa)
Shin Matsunaga (FFCC, Bloodmasque)

>Battle Animation Lead
Yusuke Takano (Tokyo Team, 14, KH3)

>Battle Animation
Hiroshi Andou (CONFIRMED on LinkedIn, Dissidia)

>Animation
James Williamson (?)

>Lead Character Texture Artist
Toshiaki Watanabe (13 team, eventual 7R dev)

>Character Modeling Artist
Tomohiro Tokoro (TLR, Dirge, 13)

>Cutscene Animator
Hiroshi Fukasawa (KH Days, Dirge)
Tatsuya Uehara (Days, BbS, Dissidia and 012, 13, Type-0, KH3, 7R)
Rei Kato (Tokyo Team, Days, BbS, coded)

>Lead Background Modeler
Yasushi Kameda (Tokyo Team, 012, Wizrogue, KH3)
Azumi Naganuma (11, Code Age, CC, CB, 13)

Not included are more younger KH2 devs and most Nomura devs who worked on this game from 2009 to when Tabata changed Versus to 15, releasing in 2016

>>718274913
Yeah, FFXI was designed by Sakaguchi and directed by Tanaka. It's just a FF3 MMO and it's drenched in classic FF soul.

>>718274874
say what you will about him, I will always respect Nomura for Kingdom Hearts. He got assigned a project that any other developer in the industry would just churn out an asset flipping pile of slop and call it a day, but he said, "nah lets try and make something good with this"

>>718274963
>What will become of the Tokyo Team? (Part 7)
More Versus staff as of January 2025

>Lead Programmer
Shinichi Aoyama (SMRPG, 7, 8, 11, FM4, FM5, TLR, Gyromancer)

>Programmer
Takashi Sugi (KH2)

>Effect Programmer
Kohei Egami (Unlimited, FM5, FFCC CB, 13, 14, 15, left for fuzz to work on Muv-Luv)

>Lead Battle Planner
Keisuke Matsuhara (SMRPG, Trigger, 6, 7, 8, 10, Dirge, CC, LR, 14 2.0 and after)

>Battle/Event Planning
Kazuhiro Yamauchi (SF2, LoM, 10, KH1, FFCC, CB, 7 year gap, Scarlet Grace)

>Lead Level Planner
Kazuhiro Kataoka (12, TLR, TO: LUCT, 3 year gap, Scarlet Grace, 7R1, 16)

>World Planner
Shinji Sakisako (Xenosaga, Baten Kaitos, FFCC CB, Lightning Returns 4 years after)

>Lead Character Modeling Artist
Hiroyuki Suzuki (KH2 special thanks, 13, Dissidia, 012, Guns and Soul and Rise of Mana three years later with Masato Yagi, all FFPR games, Harvestella)

>Lead Cutscene Animator
Go Kikuchi (Last Bronx, PE1, 7, 8, 9, 10, FFCC, Code Age, RoF, CB, 14, Bloodmasque, Scarlet, Emerald)

>Cutscene Animator
Isao Murata (Dissidia, left for Sony in 2013 without working on Dissidia 012, XVI)

>Background Modeling Artist
Kunio Ikeda (KH2, drifted between Nomura-Tabata projects, went back to KH3)
Satoshi Iwashita (Tokyo Team, TLR, 13, Tabata!XV, KH3, XVI)
Masashi Komatsubara (FM5, Osaka Team, 13, BSEL)
Yoshihisa Akashi (FM5, TLR, no credits between FFXIII and Alice Order, AKA seven years of nothing)
Keisuke Tsugita (FM5, FFCB, 13, five years later DQM2)
Takahiro Kumagai (FFCC, RS1MS, TLR, Bloodmasque five years later, Diofield Chronicle)
Yoshiaki Obuchi (Tokyo Team, had nothing between Kumanage for the Wii in Q1 2010 and 4/2011 when ARR began development, KH3)
Toru Kadowaki (left after Type-0)
Eiko Hasegawa (Code Age, DoM, Re:CoM, FFCC CB, DQX 1.0, Schoolgirl Strikers Part 3 6 years later)
Yoshiyuki Shikano (Dirge, 12, 13, TLR, XIV, Bloodmasque 3 years after, 2.0 and after)

>>718274826
>Nomura's cut game inspired them
I mean it means sense because Nomura is great, but you still haven't answered why you didn't 100% ffxv nor why are you unable to make normal ffxv threads when expedition33 already has more threads than ffxv

>>718274905
>p-paid
ok bro it just so happens that Donkey Kong Bananza was directed by a ffxv dev too and he said he used his experience in designing ffxvs world/levels in designing DKB
also another ffxv inspired game releasing in a few weeks

>>718274715
How does 11 not? You play characters that look like the cast from the previous five games while dressed up like the characters from the first five games. You are guided by moogles, ride chocobos and fight behemoths, morbols, cactuars and so on. The classic avatars and airships exist, and the plot is all about fading world-powering crystals. The game is also high medieval like most of the previous games so the latest technological development is gun-toting pirates. Which part doesn't feel like FF?

>>718275036
Did you read these too?
>>718274963
>>718275064
I also have more writing on what happened to Nomura if you need it

>>718264272
yep

>>718274910
If you get grifters talking about your game that means free advertising.
Besides those grifters would immediately so I face to defend the opposite opinion as soon as the money fled there

>>718274960
So you agree that its better than 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10-2, 11, 12, 13, 13-2, 13-3, 14, 16, 7r, 7r2

ff type0 is ranked higher than ff16 there too lol

>>718275081
Barry cucked you out of your own brain. He firmly raped it and his dick lives there rent free.

>>718275068
>didn't 100% ffxv
is he still trying to damage control over being caught never having finished ffxv despite spending a decade trying to shill and defend it?

>>718275079
Damn that explains the shilling too
Still a Nomura game, even if Tabata removed most of the game

>using holy element on final boss

Unrecognized kino-based

>>718275130
sorry if this was included in your long post but can you tell me who was responsible (for the most part) for the aesthetic design of FF13? UI design? I know Nomura designed the characters, but he couldn'tve carried the whole "look" of the world, if that makes sense. I truly believe FF13 has the best aesthetics in any game ever so I would love to hear more information on it.

>>718275173
He is basically ignoring it kek.

>>718274910
Whenever people shit on WoW or FFXIV for being "bad now" it always feels weird to me because I thought they were bad from the beginning, so what happened, it became a darker shade of shit?

>>718272484
I heard Lost Odyssey was good

>>718275171
>mindbroken because 15 is still the worst FF game

>>718275068
literally says ffxv inspired e33 not your made up fanfic

also i did 100% xv
why does e33 have more threads than ff16? damn...

FF6 should have been the basis for FF’s identity instead of FF7.

bg3 > rebirth > e33 > xvi

I don't really care, I'm replaying it now and it's still pretty fun. Just about to do the DLC

>>718275081
Then why is ff15 rated higher than ff16 on steam and psn and sold 3x as much as ff16?

sounds like you're the cuck seething that nobody likes ff16

>>718275359
FF7 is just FF6 with less characters and in 3D

>>718275317
You didn't, you were caught and you had to cry to janny to shut it down
>Ff16
You are the one who can't make ff15 threads while expedition 33 actually had threads

>>718275164
then why is ff14 dawntrail lower rated than forspoken on steam?

a bunch of grifter youtubers made forspoken vids too does that mean free advertising?

>>718275507
Because it's a shitty mmo and mmos have an autistic fanbase
Now explain where is Tabata's next game?

>>718275291
UI design was KH2's Eri Fujidai and (ex-Tecmo a la Tabata)'s Shusuke Ohki. Both of them worked under Yoichi Seki who worked on Dirge's menus and all of the UI elements on FFXIV after Heavensward.

>>718275416
raped to death by 14
the only reason 15 sold at all is because it had a decade of bullshot trailers and hype, hence why it sold a few million on launch then took nearly 10 years sitting in the bargain bin to sell 5 million more
if 15 won so much how come half the game is still missing dlc that got turned into a shitty book?

>>718275173
>>718275298
Looks like he did 100% the game and you didn't even play ff16 yet you shill it

>>718275306
>mindbroken because ff16 is lower rated and lower selling than ff15

>>718275609
>mindbroken retard is SEETHING because people found his PSN
played both, 15 is worse in everyway
how come you didn't finish 15?

>>718275609
Why are you talking in third person again? You know anyone can check it out.

>>718275323
the xivfag admit to browsing /gif/ to look up tranny porn? yikes typical yoshitpiss fag behaviour

>>718275323
Nice thumbnail for ants.

>>718270748
>>718271070
>>718272080
I The difference between mainline and spinoff is largely series, setting and character based.
1-16 are all mainline but X-2, 13-2, LR, Remake, Rebirth are all spinoffs within their own series. this is where distinction between spinoff and mainline actually matter.

If something is its own final fantasy game, it isn't named after a different series in japan and isn't self contained it isn't mainline.

some spinoffs could've been considered mainline ut aren't for arbitrary marketing reasons. Tactics, Crystal Chronicles.Mystic Quest, explorers, 4 heroes of light could've been numbered games and it wouldn't have been a big deal but FFTA, FFTA2, FFC RoF, Legend 1-3, Adventure, dirge of cerberus, etc could never be main line because they break the series/setting/character rules.

12 kind of breaks this rule but most don't.

A real FF is whatever you want it to be, some people consider games that aren't even called final fantasy final fantasy games but this is what I think.

>>718275298
Its funny how he still seems to be avoiding metacritic, guess hes still asshurt his bots got nuked

>>718275598
thank you! thats very interesting to hear, I find xiv's menus servicable but i suppose theres only so much you can do with the limited mmo framework. i was not impressed by XVI's UI unfortunately, that was done by the original ARR UI designer

>>718275504
Sounds like you were caight not having even played FF16 yet you were shilling it

damn so e33 was influenced by ff15 yet ff16 has never inspired anything

>>718275681
>>718275507
This is like saying mihoyo should care about metascore. At the end of the day they keep making money
>But it lost users!
It still lasted 10 years despite being low budget shit. All the grifters also gave them enough marketing that they can try a new mmo again
>But it will flop
Japanese games are just losing against gacha and chinks, times change.

>>718275852
FF16 inspired me to throw it in the garbage so take that.

>>718274649
>No party system
You do get AI allies at certain points of the story, but ignoring that, the game is a character action game ala DMC, unless you had an assist button controlling them doesn't really work.
>PS5 only
It's on all 3 now, unless you're complaining about it not running on the Switch
>Mc too old
He's young at the beginning of the game, and I guarantee there's some mod on PC that allows you to stay as young Clive for the whole game.

>>718275571
Where is Yoshitpisss first single player console game he's directed?

>>718275608
>XIV cultist shit at the top
>Memeshit at 2nd
Grim.

>>718275852
>He thinks I care about nu ff and not his hypocrisy of being even in breath of fire threads crying about your autistic mmo boyfriend
It's not me the one who shat on P5 and pretended to like a game you didnt even 100%'d dude.
I accept your concession anyway, no shit not even you would complete ffxv

>>718275064
>>718274963
>>Battle Planning
>Takeshi Yamagishi (Dirge, FFCB, DQX 2.0, SGSG, SGEB)
>Hiroshi Tomomatsu (FF12 Biome system, TLR)
>>718274963
>Programming
>Takashi Isowaki (FF12 Gambit system, TLR, KH3)
>>Lead Level Planner
>Kazuhiro Kataoka (12, TLR, TO: LUCT, 3 year gap, Scarlet Grace, 7R1, 16)
This pissed me off. These people made gameplay systems and gameplay systems work because Yasumi Matsuno, Kazutoyo Maehiro and Akitoshi Kawazu trained them. Nomura really wanted to make the best FF ever made and picked these guys to do it with him right down to Jun Akiyama.
>>World Planning
>Daisuke Inoue (CC, Dirge, 13 Hunts, LR Dead Dunes and Monster Lead, SoP Director)
That makes total sense lol

>>718275918
>the game is a character action game ala DMC
Maybe that's part of the problem. Also, Jack's game and FF7R both have party members. They're both also action games that didn't have to sacrifice RPG mechanics to also be satisfying action games. XVI isn't even good as an action game, it's incredibly shallow and everything is tied to MMO cooldowns.
>He's young at the beginning of the game
For one hour.

>>718275317
It says everything that the Exp33 guys visited Square Enix but the people who refused to meet them were the CS3 team, the team behind FF14 and FF16.

>>718275927
You said Tabata was working on his next game and it would be great. Where is it?

>>718275608
Why was ff14 so dogshit that it lost to ff15 in a 2025 poll?

>>718275323
heres a version thats readable

>>718275986
>Akitoshi Kawazu
Massive autist. He and Nomura should work on an FF game together. Or maybe SaGa

>>718275927
>Tfw ffxv is so fucking bad he can only talk about the same old nip over and over

>>718276147
Wait so you are admitting that previous polls were right and ff14 was good for years? You said those didn't count

>>718275958
yeah its funny that an mmo, and 10 rape 15 into the dirt
maybe people would like 15 it was an actual RPG

>>718276163
Isn't there another image like this where it's PS1 Cloud and text in the VII font?

>>718275608
Then why is ff15 the best selling FF post launch and the highest selling FF on Steam and higher rated on steam and psn than ff16?
ff14 is lower rated than ff15 on psn too
and dawntrail is even lower rated than fucking forspoken

xv also sold 10m faster than any ff in history you lying retard, every other ff also sold more copies in bargain bins

ff16 has been in bargain bins since 3 months after launch

>>718264892
Maybe X was the dream that will end our fantasy dreaming forever...

>>718276147
>tfw. waiting 10 years for a game then crying because of how shitty it turned out
based nips

>>718275708
The psn that shows the trophy was obtained and thus 100% was achieved?

how come you didn't even play ff16 despite shilling it?

>>718276079
nta but Tabata's company seems fishy, like money laundering

>>718276289
maybe? hes been a retard for so long there are a lot of images of him being retarded, like this one of his posting his incest fetish during a tantrum

>>718275714
Check out what? proof that the plat trophy was obtained so it was 100%

meanwhile you never even played ff16 and admit to not even having a ps5 awhen ff16 was still only available on ps5

>>718263779 (OP)
I want an FF where we play as Omega, the best Final Fantasy superboss of all time.

>>718275986
>Yasumi Matsuno, Kazutoyo Maehiro and Akitoshi Kawazu trained them
>Nomura really wanted to make the best FF ever made and picked these guys to do it
>Jun Akiyama
Someone gets it. You know what she wants.

>>718276292
Because of 10 years of trailers and being available on PS4. It was Nomura hype
NuGOW games suck but they sold well because people liked the og trilogy

Holy shit is this actually Barry for once and not fucking trancers??? Welcome back CHEATER

>>718276292
14 sold more and made more money than 15

>>718275789
Why did ff16 keep losing to ff15? thousands of bot accounts to 10 spam ff16 deleted just like that

ff16 lower rated than ff15 on psn too and steam also

why are you so triggered by ff16 being lower rated than ff15?

>>718276415
What I mean is, it's like the scene in Mideel where Cloud is surrounded with speech bubbles and text hovering over him.
>>718276486
>CHEATER
?

>>718276450
It's not 100%, you ignored half of the game despite being so easy to 100% it lmao, you also needed half a year to get the platinum.

>>718276498
XV A New Empire made more money than 14 and 15 combined

>>718276425
Yes
its worse than 13 as well

>>718275868
ff16 didn't make any profit and ff14 is losing money in the latest financial report

>>718276475
For the THIRD time now, who is 'she'?

>>718276551
Bruh

>>718276551
now compare base 16 to base 15
you'll notice 16 rapes it because its a complete game and doesn't have half the game chopped out to be sold as DLC

>>718276652
Shut the fuck up and stop feeding this stupid fucking schizo narcissist.

>>718275918
16 has no party
they are mannequins you have 0 input over and cant die or use items or have hp bars
they aren't anything

>>718276560
He's been screaming his lungs out on xitter and discord instead of here for a while now.

>>718276626
They already made enough money to last.

>>718274678
>>718274261
We've gotten gameplay out of the way now. What makes FF12's story fake FF compared to 15?

>>718276705
so like 15 with its one button actionslop "combat" and all magic replaced with fortnite grenades

>>718275969
so you're here to defend your slop mmo cult leader? while malding over someone who shits on ff16 and ff14 but you're totally not butthurt about that?

you havn't even played any ff

>>718273256
FF12 has actual classes, multiple useful spells that don’t require a shitty consumable system, and enemy variety plus an interesting world to explore.

>>718276779
No? Only thing I know from ff14 is the blind cat and the potato girl. I bet you know every ff14 character, lore and everything and probably played that game for hours lmao
This is payback for your shitposting in P5 threads, pajeet.

>>718276079
On hold and only started development in 2024, demo was completed in july 2024 and was just put on hold a few weeks ago as they rework some things that their publisher requested before full AAA development can begin

Where is Yoshitpisss first ever directed single player console game?

>>718271467
>i think remake and rebirth are much better attempts at synthesizing action and rpg
based, I feel the same way

>>718276652
>>718276704
I just followed him and his train of posts now. Assuming the weird schizo hasn't caught up with the fact that 'she' is a man and even said so two years ago, he's talking about noted Nomura, Kawazu, Maehiro and Matsuno fan Stellafag

>>718276779
>he says unironically trying to defend mobileslop

>>718263779 (OP)
I liked the setting and while I like the fact there was no nogs or the like. I couldn't get past the god awful gameplay.

>>718276163
So the xivfag admit to browsing /gif/ to look up tranny porn? typical xivfag behaviour

>>718276834
And 12's story is more of a real FF than 15 because...

>>718276894
>flopspoken2
I can't wait to see shitbata seppuku for killing another studio

>>718276894
Why should I care about your mmo boyfriend? Oh and you mean the game that is having development problems and working with some AI company?

>>718276174
>he's still triggered by xv mogging xiv and xvi

>>718276241
nah its clear xivfags brigaded them back then
only now ff14 is dying and only fags ever shill it

>>718276701
>its a complete game
>

>>718276981
weird cope since it was XVcuck jerking off to tranny porn then linking it on /v/

>>718276894
Not him but they are having problems with this one and are studying the market again, because like it or not high budget jrpgs are huge risk
He also doesn't have Nomura charisma and hype behind this time

>>718276919
Stellafag is as insane as Barry but a thousand times more self centered. This retard thinks he has "followers". He didn't even play Final Fantasy until last year and only did it because Bazza kept blowing him the fuck out on knowledge about the series. They should both be treated with the same vitriol.

I really don't what they were thinking with the combat system of FFXVI
It has the same depth as dynasty warriors or a soulless mobile gacha like genshin impact but those games give you one hundred playable characters instead of one
And even then those games still make it so you need to switch characters or weapons to fight specific enemies since otherwise you're just doing the exact same combo the entire game in every situation against every enemy no matter what the context which is braindead and would only work for a game that's ten minutes long not fifty hours

>>718276919
>noted Nomura, Kawazu, Maehiro and Matsuno fan
Tell me more anon about this... Stellafag.

>>718276250
then why is 15 higher rated than 14 here

don't deflect to other games now

>>718277067
>half of 15 is gone unless you buy the 12 DLCs, half of those DLCs were scrapped because no one wanted to buy the DLCs

>>718276894
https://x.com/TrueGamingInd/status/1945074499801498060?t=NrtsvQFyZdnGxKp17Kr-Jw&s=19
It was cancelled

>>718276983
A band of adventurers traveling the world fighting against an evil empire > boy band car camping

>>718276365
The mental gymnastics xivfags have to go through is nuts just because people like xv more than your yoshitpiss slop

>>718276079
The company funding their next game put out a public statement announcing game development was halted because they never received a response from Tabata's company to continue. They even stated that they're evaluating what to do with the current assets in the case that Tabby abandons the project. Not looking good.

So what if I overall like all FF games to various extents

This Japanese man I've never heard of is right. Final Fantasy 16 is not a real Final Fantasy game, it's a real tour de force. The riveting story of a man cursed with unimaginable power who ultimately defies fate and learns to use his power for the greater good.

So, no— it's not a real Final Fantasy game. It's so much more.

>>718276415
>>718276560
>>718276729
XVI literally has a character who has incestual sex ultima transformed into his mom

>>718276701
XVI literally did have content chopped out to be sold as DLC. I can find the interview if you want.

>>718277194
Funny enough that's also close to 15's plot. As someone who grew up with both asian and western media. It's funny and strange seeing how american's can't get past the "boy band aesthetic".

>>718277140
>not a poll of quality or people liking anything
you're improving at least XVcuck, you aren't spamming your collection of fagtis gay porn to try cope anymore
sorry no one cares about 15 though

>>718277251
They were in some weird Pegasus and nft, probably another scam

>>718277292
>FF16 fan
>doesn't know who Nomura is
Speaks for itself, really.

>>718277259
You can't do that anon! Now I'm gonna have to pretend you are another evil ff fag trying to rape me while I ignore all the other jrpgs!

>>718263779 (OP)
If it has crystals it's a FF game, that's the only requirement.

>>718276425
>>718276591
So XVI is worse than XV and IX and FF7CC and X?

>>718277293
you are the expert on wishing your father was a women and would have sex with you
>>718276415
>>718276163

>>718263779 (OP)
He's right.
You can tell because it was fun to play.

>>718277315
mmo tranny shit being so low despite having hundreds of thousands of active players is so funny

>>718276241
any polls sent before with thousands of votes? means nothing.
154 people people cried at FFXV, oh my god I'm cumming!

>>718277259
That's called being a fence sitter. A good game can make you feel lots of anger, or enjoyment. Just saying "hmm they're all good I guess" is the equivalent liking beige

>>718277176
>Tfw the tabtafag is just jealous because as much trash ffxiv is it still gave enough money to SE while Tabata will never make another game

>>718277409
are you still failing math, XVcuck?

>>718276676
>>718276701

why did ff16 lose to ff15?

>>718276701
ff16 was purposely incomplete and sold cut content as dlc you tard

also why did you review bomb ffxv the day after ff16 went on pc?

>>718277292
>Frognigger is so underage he doesn't know GODmura
Yep.

>>718277103
>This retard thinks he has "followers"
Funny you say that. I'm not only one of them.

I'm also already half Stellafag

>>718276745
no they didn't

>>718277474
Idk people have different tastes
I think the PS1 era is the best
I think FF declined starting at X
I did overall enjoy all the games
Just some more than others
And I don't feel the need to talk shit on one to uplift the others
Square made money either way so this dick measuring is kind of silly

>>718277554
isn't that goro majima

>>718276774
FF16 has no party

In FF15 I can see Gladio and Ignis and Prompto's HP bar, I can open a menu and use items on them, I can use the technique bar to give them an individual command that I have set and unlocked from the ascension grid, I can equip their weapons, accessories, outfit, level them up, enhance their skills, performe link attacks with them, unlock abilities and actions they perform as AI from the ascension grid to increase what they do as AI, etc
I can also see the HP bar of Aranea, Cor and Iris in addition to using items on them from a menu, performing link attacks with them and giving them a technique command from the technique bar costing meter, in addition I can view their stats and gear
In addition to all that which is all in base game, only 1 year after launch they freely added the ability to swap to play as Ignis or Gladio or Prompto which are all unique systems with unique meters too in addition to MP bars, and can also play as Ardyn who has Ifrit as a party member you can give commands to

In FF13 I can see Sahz or Snow or Hope's, or Vanile or Fangs HP bar, I can see their paradigm shift to know their AI movepool is, I can use items on them and I can manage their accessories and weapon equipment in addition to unlocking new commands to their move pool in the crystariam grid, and can change party leader to change who you directly input commands on

In FF12 I can see the HP bars for Ashe or Basch or Balthier or Fran or Penelo, I can see their MP and ATB meter, I can dictate commands to them and tell their AI what to do in gambits and change their weapons and equipment and level up

In FF16? Only Clive can level up, equip and be customized and have items used on, torgal is just a dog that either attacks as AI or heals with no resource attached while Jill or Cid are just completely seperate AI with no menus, no customising, no levelling, no equipment, no stats, cant even use items on them, they have NO HP BAR

>>718277302
It’s because it’s a stupid aesthetic.

>>718277485
>tabata is well known to be a scamming retard on par with inafune
>nomura is constantly having tantrums and shitting himself because Kirby mogs the fuck out of Sora

>>718277613
No, that's not-Xigbar, one of the alleged Whispers of Stellafag. It also includes Jillfag, Jack Garland, Dreamboum and a bunch of other people including Yoshi-P when it came about he used the original Versus plot to make XVI and Nomura somehow.

>>718277667
In japan it was seen in the way people view squall and the like. Just cool boys in black. It was an attempt to please both boys who like cool things and the many women who play these games there.

>>718277524
now look at the scores with your bots deleted >>718275789

>>718276834
12 has no exploration, less enemy variety, less build variety and is so shif it needed a fast forward button just go get around because it has no actual exploration

also magic is resource bound in both, mp is consumed in 12 same as elemancy is condumed in 15, literally consumable you retard, there's no functional difference
15 also has mp for ring magic and warp magic you spastic retard, plus ignis magic and ardyn magic

>hourly threads seething about yoshiP
you know 14's newest patches are turning things around if bazzcuck is losing his mind this badly

>>718277847
>12 has no exploration

>>718276853
>seamonkey malding just to damage control yoshitpiss

>>718277847
Gameplay aside, how about story? You seem to know about both games very well to unpack the real vs fake FF narrative in FFXV.

>>718275789
Great detective work champ, not schizophrenic at all!

>>718276954
You're the one literally defending mobileslop

>>718277923
his PSN got leaked, hes not played any FF game besides 15, and he didn't even finish that

>>718263901
>>718264272
>>718264892
At least Final Fantasy XI-XV still feel like JAPANESE games. Maybe not Final Fantasy games, but I feel like XVI totally whoring itself out to a western audience is the ultimate betrayal. Nothing more soulless than that

>>718277012
ff16 dev team were shut down when ff16 flopped and yoshitpiss will never direct any single player console game ever and is also not ever going to work on a new ff ever again

Aramaki is director of SEs in house engine and the entire engine development division which works with every creative studio at SE now so is ramping up "luminous engine" for new AAA game development

>>718277960
>14 outsells 15 more than 2:1
>starts crying about mobileslop

>>718272804
Only if they're hot.

>>718277118
He's also a big fan of Xenogears, Sonic the Hedgehog and lots of Sega properties. He played Square games but avoided Final Fantasy for whatever reason until 'he wanted to pick at Barry's arguments' or something. I think he loved 12 and 7 the most.

>>718277025
Why are you damage controlling yoshitpiss then you dumb gook?

>ai company
Square Enix?

Not like he was developing a "real" final fantasy himself before he got booted

>>718264272
This

>>718278038
16's team disbanded because the game was finished
flopsoken's devs got shutdown because the game was such a massive failure

>>718278104
>He's also a big fan of Xenogears, Sonic the Hedgehog and lots of Sega properties
BASED

>>718277118
Kill yourself, Stellafag. You didn't even play FF until last year and you've never touched a SaGa game. I know because you admitted it in one of my SaGa threads on /vrpg/. You're not a fan of anyone or anything besides your own farts.

>>718277070
That was the xivcuck projecting

>>718278038
>ff16 dev team were shut down when ff16 flopped
why do you keep lying about this?

>>718277086
it hasn't even been officially revealed yet so of course it hasn't built a hype train yet

e33 had no hype until it was revealed either

>>718278169
did you stumble across that cope?

>>718263779 (OP)
I simply pity and feel bad for Yoshi-P at this point. His intentions are obviously good, but he missed the mark on a few things in the past few years. A good learning experience for him to bounce back from IF he chooses to learn from it. If he doubles down though...

>>718277145
FF16 sequel was cancelled
FF16 action game spinoff was cancelled
FF16 jill and cid dlc that was dangled was cancelled when FF16 pc flopped
FF16 live action "GOT style" TV show was cancelled
FF16 live action stage play that was supposed to happen in Mid 2024 was cancelled and the stage play website completely scrubbed any mention of them ever doing it, the page is archived on wayback machine
FF16 joshua and dion fully playable was cancelled
FF16 dev team was disbanded

>>718278165
Media Stellafag also likes:
>Kamen Rider Kuuga, Agito, Ryuki, Faiz, Gaim
>X1999
>Gasaraki
>Puella Magi Madoka Magica
>Psycho-Pass
>Code Geass
>Death Note
>Futurama
>Gundam 00
>Xenogears, Xenoblade X
>Sonic Adventure 2 (and probably 1, Stellafag loves Sonic games)
>Sonic X Shadow Generations
>Phantasy Star Online 2
>TWEWY (the game that made him admire Nomura)
>NEO TWEWY
>Fire Emblem Thracia 776
>Vagrant Story
>FFT
>FFV
>FFVI
>FFXII
>FFXIV
>FFVII and VIIR and Rebirth (he mods out the Tactical Mode slowdown)
>Stranger of Paradise
>FFXVI
>The Last Remnant
>Legend of Mana
>Bravely Default OG 3DS

He wants to play:
>Unlimited Saga
>KH CoM, KH2 and after
>Umineko
>Higurashi
>Shenmue
>FFVIII, FFIX, and FFXI

His favorite creators:
>CLAMP
>Soraya Saga
>Tetsuya Takahashi
>Tetsuya Nomura
>Kunihiko Tanaka
>Tomomi Kobayashi
>Masato Kato
>Yaeko Sato
>Tomoco Kanemaki
>Sachie Hirano
>Kazutoyo Maehiro
>Hiroshi Takai
>Jun Akiyama
>Akitoshi Kawazu
>Gen Urobuchi
>Toshiki Inoue

>He still hasn't played any KH game past CoM but liked KH1)

>>718277176
>>718277485
>>718277683
It hasn't been cancelled the official press release says its on temporary hold

thats some random arab twitter account not the official source as per the official website of the publisher

its on temporary hold
https://www.quantum-s.co.jp/en/detail?id=1780

>>718278168
Nta but isn't TLR (>>718278375) considered a SaGa game even if unofficially?

>>718277520
Why did xvi lose
why cant xvi fags count?

>>718278375
>Fire Emblem Thracia 776
Fire Emblem has a game set in real Greece?

there are no xvi fags
just people who like to trigger barry
just like how there are no xv fags
just barry

>>718278281
>Shitty journo makes awful article
I guess that's why he is "former"

>>718277768
Oh word? so xvi is still losing to ffxv and is lower rated than xv on psn and steam

>>718276919
>>718277118
maehiro is a shit writer

>>718278375
>X1999
>Gasaraki
>Puella Magi Madoka Magica
>Psycho-Pass
>Code Geass
>Death Note
>Futurama
>Gundam 00
>Xenogears, Xenoblade X
>CLAMP
>SoP, Tactics and Bravely Default
Edgy Millennial edgelord who only likes edgy media by edgelords (Nomura included). Weebs like him don't exist anymore.

>>718277883
then why is everyone shitting on ff14s newest patch?

>>718278605
I'm so glad his faggot game flopped like you wouldn't believe. Hopefully Tactics Remastered does badly too.

>>718278605
I know he wrote 16 but what else did he write?

>>718277893
there is literally nothing to find or do in ff12 and it needed a 2x and 4x fast forward button just to make movement not boring as fuck in the remaster

>>718277923
12 has no story beyond the halfway point

>>718277998
why didn't you even 10% ff16 or even play any ff?

>>718278732
Like 75% of XII's content consists of optional dungeons and bosses that you can only find by going out and exploring unprompted you retarded faggot.

>>718278652
Meanwhile, BARRYCHAD made the right connection between classic Kurosawa stuff, westerns, and good Final Fantasy.

>>718278168
I was in one of those threads.
https://arch.b4k.dev/vrpg/thread/3603959/#q3610379
Isn't this you?

>>718278731
ARR and HW. ARR sucks but it was made in a year so ig i can forgive him that. HW is super overrated tho and only praised because 1.0 and ARR were so bad

>>718278071
15 outsold 14

free trial accounts aren't sales

>>718278120
Sounds like you're the jeet malding that everyone hates yoshitpiss

XV flopped

>>718278843
>classic Kurosawa stuff, westerns, and good Final Fantasy.
Please explain, I've never touched Kurosawa or western movies yet.

>>718277883
not him but isn't SE's MMO profits down by 45%? And no, this isn't normal for the middle of an expansion. Dawntrail was undoubtedly financially bad for SE which is why yoship did an immediate forked tower fix and is doing a ton of apology interviews to try and save face

>>718278985
it had that sweet cup noodle money though

>>718278802
>12 has no story
This I'd like to hear. I only hear about 12 fans talk about how good the story is but I already can't trust perspectives as biased as theirs. What's the (first half anyway) story of FF12 like and why does it fall apart?

>>718278407
>At present, Quantum Solutions is carefully evaluating the various digital assets provided by JP GAMES in relation to this project and is considering the potential for future utilization. However, there is no concrete prospect of resuming development or making further investments in this project at this time.
Imagine having to publicly declare your game being halted and stating that you are running evaluations on what to do if things continue as is and they do not get a response back from the developers.

>>718278652
>Weebs like him don't exist anymore.
I dunno, have you not seen Ergo Proxy?

>>718278164
16s team disbanded because it flopped
the ff16 spinoff and playable character dlc for jill and cid and dion and joshua was cancelled

forspoken staff were literally promoted after forspoken released and the luminous staff are literally heading up luminous engine still right now you retard, Aramaki is head of the engine dev division now and said he's director of SEs in house engine which is an evolved version of Luminous engine

yoshitpiss was demoted and is no longer on the board of directors at SE

>>718278843
What do these three things have in common?

>>718279079
It just stops. You go through several zones and gameplay landmarks with little to no story development, and at the end of the run you come out in the extremely rushed final arc of the game.

>>718278173
How is it a lie when its objectively true?

>>718278228
xivgook why are you still looking up tranny porn?

>>718263779 (OP)
is nomura fucking senile?
does this retard not realize that his team on KH and KH2 already made a better battle system than the one he's describing?
as the player should notice, examples like Hades and Axel are weak to Ice. and the team didn't need to sacrifice reflex and skill (fundamental requirements of real time gameplay) to do it.
that's a retarded idea that has nothing to do with weaknesses. Nomura is such a retarded nigger.

>>718279047
>the story for the three party members and the main villain's entire story was cut to make space for cup noodle ads
Grim.

>>718278465
>Taking existing averages of wildly different sample sizes and then averaging those together
Here we go again.

>>718279194
framing
>Team was assembled for FFXVI
>Game wrapped
>Team disbanded
But the framing would have you believe CS3 was killed or something

>>718279136
>he ff16 spinoff and playable character dlc for jill and cid and dion and joshua was cancelled
i seriously doubt those were ever in consideration. it goes against the design goals of the game and the premise of the story itself. maybe i could see it as a form of damage control but yoship was very unreceptive to things like that when it came to xvi so again i doubt it

>>718278585
ff16 team doesn't exist
forspoken director is head of SEs entire engine development division which is comprised of Luminous engine staff doing development for the engine for upcoming AAA game development

>>718279007
>>718279180
Friends, he won't. I asked him this twice before. Barry won't explain what the hell he means when he says Final Fantasy is only FF is like a cowboy/samurai movie.

>>718263779 (OP)
You know what action game Nomura worked on that has elemental weaknesses?

>>718278605
this
he's the worst writer ever

>>718279220
i think he's saying that FF gameplay should focus less on reflex and skill and increase focus on strategy and tactics. KH, being a crossover series, is comfortable with crossover gameplay. but that doesn't work with FF

>>718279332
last I checked CS3 who made XVI still exists
And Luminous Productions doesn't
I could be dishonest and say everyone at Luminous was fired, but the team was placed in other areas of the company
Can you be as charitable?
I doubt it

>>718263779 (OP)
Nomura also had the idea of turning XVI into a musical, constantly changed what he wanted, wasted millions of dollars and dev hours with nothing to show for it and was booted from the project as a result.
He should have been fired altogether.

>>718278834
which is less than xv
also all of that is just to auto battle
there nothing to actually do besides combat
no minigames
party members never talk
you never get ambush by enemies
theres no weather system
no vehicle system
no day night system
cant get wet, muddy, bruised, etc
no sprint, just a single ramp of movement that was so shit it needed a fast forward button

>>718278843
facts

>>718279461
Not him but Nomura's staff members were sent to work on XIII, XIII-2, 14 and 14 ARR. One anon said he could only work on Versus for three months per year because other projects had staff that didn't know what they were doing and only his staff knew how to make games and make games fast.

>>718278985
its massive cock on XVI's forhead

>>718279225
ff16 villain and characters have no story

>>718279118
QS put out press releases for everything, they put one one when the demo was submitted last year too

>>718279501
I see. How about the characters and the setting/lore?

>>718279596
16 villains have story they just suck
ig the coolest one is odin but hes stuck being the henchman of the most evil man in the universe whose evil plan is to turn all of humanity into mindless slaves so whatever depth he has is quickly lost as he fails to justify (cope) his shitty ideology

>>718279220
kh1 and kh2 have elemental affinities
kh doesn't require reflects or skill

ff16 doesn't have anything

>>718279721
>kh doesn't require reflects or skill
thats not true. anyone whose done even a cursory playthrough could tell you that

>>718279257

>>718279280
Ok so then the same thing happened with forspoken too then you idiot
the luminous staff are atill a team at SE they just are in CS2 and the engine dev division

ff16 team were scattered across the 7 creative studios, one of the ff16 devs is in creative studio 7 now not creative studio 3

>>718263779 (OP)
Blackrock and Vanguard pays them to tone down the fanservice and replace it with queer stuff. Weimar style subversion and demoralization.

>>718279856
>Ok so then the same thing happened with forspoken too then you idiot
i never said that wasn't the case
Are you ok?

>>718279282
Yoshitpiss dangled playable cid and jill dlc on the condition the pc version of ff16 sells well
it didn't sell well
its been nearly a year and nothing

yoshitpiss also said ff16 was originally a clive dion and joshua game, it was supposed to swap between all three and all three were supposed to be playable the entire game
they scrapped that to focus only on clive

>>718275761
You're kinda' ignoring my point. My point was that I consider Final Fantasy to be a game what's colorful, whimsical and mostly medieval. I made that point by posting some Final Fantasy jobs in their iconic attire. Then some retard pointing out that the picture came from a spin-off title so it somehow doesn't count, so I posted the original FF instead. I'm not confused about what mainline or spin-off mean. I'm not confused about Tactics not being a numbered game. I'm not confused at all. My point was that Final Fantasy is a game that has Black Mages and Dragoons, not kpop idols in BDSM gear.

Do mods still hand out month-longs for posting these, I wonder?

>>718279439
CBU3 made ff16 and CBU3 doesn't exist anymore
the staff were scattered across the CBUs and one ff16 member said he's in CS7 now so they ate everywhere not in just CS3 as a team
Luminous Productions staff were put in CBU2 and the new engine development division in may 2023 then in April 2024 cbu2 Luminous staff went to CS2 where nozue the agni philosophy creative director aka luminous debut tech demo is heading cs2

>>718280084
I have a feeling he spams fake reports if people post that screenshot of the IRC where the mods talked about how he burns through dozens of VPNs ban evading

>>718280034
The weird thing is, if Barry isn't moving the goalposts, he uses sales to justify what's good vs. what isn't. He said Nakazawa makes good battle systems because of how 10-2 and Crisis Core sold so well. And that high sales means that FF has to follow the 7, 8, 10, 13 Yusuke Naora template of science fantasy.

>>718279856
>splitting hairs over a 4.6 and 4.5
grim.

>>718279647
ff12 expects us to believe its in ivalice yet it has nothing in common with ff tactics ivalice

I had some fun with FFXVI, but it overstays its welcome half way through. It constantly tries to be epic and to outdo previous scenes until it just becomes mundane and boring. That's before my gripes about the samey rotational combat, the bad characters, and utterly worthless world building they shoved to the dedicated lore hag. It is Final Fantasy in name alone.

>>718279775
it really doesn't
kh2 was criticsed at launch for being press triangle to win

this is IGNs kh2 review from back then

>>718280195
He still tries to use sales as metric even after 14 sold more than double 15 ever did?

>>718280195
>Naora
Takayuki Ohdachi and Tomomi Kobayashi are better artists DESU.

>CBU3 made ff16 and CBU3 doesn't exist anymore
jfc not even worth a (you)

>>718280209
>tactics
I don't want to be murdered for this but I've never played it. Is it good?

>>718279907
read the chain of posts idiot
there is functionaly no difference

>>718280034
is this design not colorful and whimsical?

>>718280345
Hes never gotten over this simple fact

>>718280353
Yeah, easily holds up still.

>>718279403
You can't have a real time game and then make the players own reflex and skill just artificially not work. that's cheating the player.
then you end up with a mangled abomination like 7R part 1. where it looks like it has tangible mechanics but it's all superficial and the mechanics fundamentally do not work. Mobility is dogshit, Guard is worthless, Dodge is sub functional and has a massive hitbox with no i-frames, lots of enemy attacks are scripted damage.
"Hard mode" is unplayable on low level because skill doesn't matter. it requires a high level and specific builds that can farm MP.
The game plays like a fake action game with no mechanical integrity. doesn't feel anythign like "turn based" just a bad action game that doesn't work.

And so then they needed to completely overhall all the garbage mechanics to make them actually functional in part 2, fundamentally changing the gameplay and making this "3 part game" feel even more disjointed.
Nomura made this mistake in part 1 because he's a retard who doesn't understand basic game design.
KH3 showed this. he only understands superficial flash and key jangling mobile game cookie clicker pop-ups.

Don't even get me started on his padding and walking simulator shit.

>>718280084
>>718280141
why do xivfags always lie about everything

>>718280431
Don't forget:
>random pov scene
Even in Versus. Oh Nomura

>>718280034
My basis for what is mainline is the difference between FF1 and FF2 defining the series as one that changes over time and that change is to be expected, that they created these two very different games with the idea in mind that Final Fantasy would keep deviating with the foundational ideas of being completely different settings with different characters, different ideas and themes behind them.

Everything else falls under personal definitions of 'real final fantasy' since even staples like moogles, chocobos, summons or dragoons weren't in the original final fantasy.

>>718268672
it's a pretty big failing

>>718280204
so ff16 lost to ff15?

>>718280402
>not kpop idols in BDSM gear
cecil harvey's hair goes down past his shoulders and he wears lipstick

>>718279646
I'm sure sending out a press release that conveys your game might be in trouble is very good for future investors

>>718280427
Not him but I see. Assuming you understand Barry or whatever what made him say neither 12 or Tactics are real Final Fantasy games?

>>718280292
see >>718278905
ff15 sold more and made more than ff14

>>718280573
People like Tactics and 12 so those games trigger him

>>718280298
naora is responsible for the most iconic ff locations

>>718280495
>Even in Versus. Oh Nomura

The versus situation is bullshit. Versus was stealth released and hides all three entries in the trilogy in non-final fantasy games.

you would THINK it would be hidden in final fantasy 13, because it's Versus, but NOPE, it's not.

>>718280521
FF as a series was "very different premise characters and settings connected with a mechanical throughline"
this is why defining FF as an aesthetic is extremely retarded. it was meant to be different to something like DQ where everything is intentionally similar. Even with Amano as the soul artist the tone changes extremely from I, II, and III

>>718280624
wow worthless data that is massively out of date
keep coping that 14 has sold more than double what 15 will ever sell, and that square themselves have state 14 is their most profitable game

>>718264272
>Final Fantasy X was 24 years ago

>>718280649
Well yeah. Unlike XV, those games are actually good.

>>718280686
And characters? Tomomi Kobayashi makes better character art. Naora's work for SaGa wasn't all that good.

>>718280718
SE has been going so hard with FFIX 25th anniversary marketing, I'm interested in what they're going to do with X's anniversary.
It would be very strange if they just ignore it given that its the most popular FF by far, meanwhile a comparative nothingburger like IX is salivated in merch

>>718280345
>>718280409
Where is CBU3?
oh right they don't exist anymore and cs3 is just the ff14 staff from cbu3 not the ff16 staff who were scattered across the 7 creative studios
meanwhile luminous staff are in the engine development division working on luminous engine for upcoming AAA games and in cs2 with the rest of the luminous staff working on ff17 with Nakazawa and Nozue

>>718280141
All of my ban trophies regarding the matter have come out of this one funnily enough.

>>718280798
How about Kabuki FFX?
Salivated? If you're into that...?

>>718280556
Sure. And FF15 did three times worse against FF7.
This must be the power of action slop FF.

>>718280827
i liked the nomura art from it, at least...

>>718279964
All I ever fucking wanted was Jill, Joshua, and Torgal playable. Please dont tease me

>>718280824
>the ff16 staff who were scattered across the 7 creative studios
Sauce?

>>718280824
flopspoken killed the studio that shat it out
no amount of coping changes this fact

>>718280034
>not kpop idols in BDSM gear.

on the left a flowy long hair pretty boy with lipstick and a feminine face

on right a masculine man with a chiselled jawline and facial hair with a hairstyle that could fit in any era

>>718280953
>barry is mindbroken because amano rapes flopura every day of the week

>>718280953
>>718280402
How long until N*mura starts putting FF protags in panties...

>>718280953
>>718281032
i like both of them

>>718280559
how is updating the status of development a bad thing?
also they literally put out a press release in the past where they said theyre lookimg for more funding sources and the entire reasons its on hold is because of quantum solutions making requests, its entirely on QS

>>718281080
Look at that DICK

>>718263779 (OP)
[continued laughter]

>>718280713
>n-no that doesn't count

>>718280713
Square Enix has never said any such thing
Yoshitpiss lied when he made that claim while talking about 11 years accumulated

ff14 made no profit in the last financial report at all

>>718281164
>random twitterfag
vs
>square themselves
COPE

>>718280727
>>718280649

why is 15 rated higher than fft and ff12 the poll here then, 12 and fft didn't even rank
https://x.com/Genki_JPN/status/1956322788664647685?t=tj7HTWm5edrLbTvc_F6cuw&s=19

>>718280713
>keep coping that 14 has sold more than double what 15 will ever sell
No it hasn't. Accounts made =/= copies sold. FF14 is SE's most profitable game because of subscription fees and the cash shop, not because they've sold 30 million copies. FF14's player count peaked at 1.3 million.

Damn XV is almost 10 years old now
Wild

reminder that 15 lost

>>718280195
>Barry claims FF15 won because it got 10th on a poll where people cried
>I point out that [game in a higher position] must be better in that case
>He pivots to game sales, saying FF15 won
>I point out that must mean [game that sold more] must be better than FF15 in that case
>He pivots to user reviews, saying FF15 won
>I point out that [game with better reviews] must be better than FF15 in that case
>He pivots to something else
Barry's goalposts are like those ones that float on the water except it's out in the sea and caught in the middle of a storm. Always quite funny to watch him splash around frantically.

>>718280748
naora isn't a character designer until ff10 where he did the original tidus and ff10 setting when the game was called seventeen before nomura redesigned him
besides that he only did some side characters in 13-2 and 15 while doing art direction itself for 7, 8, 10, 10-2, type0, advent children and ff15

>>718281301
correct
there are more accounts than sales, thats what happens when you have a free trial
it still sold more than 15

>>718280837
ff15 is outpacing the sales of ff7 and sold 10m 2x faster than ff7 did

>>718281398
Nta but you haven't seen his SaGa and Front Mission work?

>>718281102
> the entire reasons its on hold is because of quantum solutions making requests, its entirely on QS
lmao no it's not, if that was the case development wouldn't need to stop
they had to stop it because Tabby hasn't responded/agreed to continue

>>718280897
At cedec 2024 a ff16 staff member listed himself as being in creative studio 7
https://cedec.cesa.or.jp/2024/session/detail/s65f1996aad1de/

>>718281450
>it still sold more than 15
It hasn't.

>>718280927
Then why was Aramaki made head of the engine development division which is comprised of the engine staff from luminous productions?

ff16 team doesn't exist
luminous staff are still working on luminous engine in the engine development division under Aramaki

>>718281398
its giving me chrono cross vibes? thats a compliment

AAAIIIEEEEEE XVBROS why is our game getting RAPED by ports of PS1 games?

>>718281452
>a game released in 2016 sells faster than game from 1997

>>718281032
ok bro why does amano tidus look more feminine than nomura or naora tidus?

>>718281603
it has
keep seething

>>718281713
looks straighter than any of the boyband fags in 15

>>718281242
square enix financial reports never said any such thing about ff14

they did however say ff14 made no profit in the latest financial report and that ff14 net sales are down YoY too

>>718281724
It hasn't. I'm not seething, you're just wrong.

>>718281653
OH SHIT
OH FUCK

>>718281896
NONONONONONONONODELETE THIS

>>718281345
Why did ff16 lose to ff15?

>>718281896
LARRY'S GONNA FREAK

>>718281963
why did 15 lose to 16 >>718281896

All that time buying VPNs could’ve been spent 100%ing FFXV, Barry.

>>718281981
>more people would rather play dragqueen age shartguard than FF15
the absolute STATE of tabata's blunder

>>718281354
Notice how ff16 and ff14 lost to ff15 in the poll?
Notice how you deflected to other games because you're butthurt ff16 and ff14 lost to ff15?
notice how you also got butthurt that ff16 sold less than ff15 too?
notice how YOU deflected to user reviews and got butthurt that ff15 is higher rated on psb and steam than ff16?
notice how you constantly deflect to irrelevant shit whenever you get BTFO?

You have continually been btfo over everything you've ever claimed and then you tried to deflect to P5 which nobody had eveb fucking mentioned in the thread before you brought it up

XVI lost in sales, user reception, poll placement and awards against XV and you keep fucking crying about it desperate to deflect to other games

>>718282085
>People would rather play Failguard than XV
Holy KEK.

>>718281450
free trials aren't sales

>>718281896
>>718281981
>XV and XVI both lost to dragqueen age
OH NONOONONOO TROONAL TRANTASY SISTERS HOW DO WE COPE

>>718282201
>actual fan polls without bots
>15 is lucky to even get in the top 10
>14 dominates every category
>even 16 beats 15 in places
please bazzcuck, post your youtube poll with 20 votes in total so I can laugh at you again

please...no more...

>>718281546
They literally fucking said it was you illiterate retard
it's on hold because they're waitng for their requests to be met
you seriously think tabata hasn't responded to them when they're literally the publisher and owner of the IP
they did the same thing with the demo last year when JPG submitted it in may but QS requested changes and JPG resubmit it 2 weeks later

>>718282309
thats why they don't count trial accounts when counting sales and subs
20 million is more than 10 million, I know you struggle with math

>>718281653
why did xv mog ff16

>>718282407
holy shit no wonder this $200 million flop killed its studio

>>718278875
>Pro-Stellafag (and Nomura?) SaGafags vs. Anti-Stellafags>>718282309
SaGafags
A shame. He could have stayed on /m/ but TWEWY pulled him to Square.

>>718263779 (OP)

Nomura is in no way better than Yoshida though. Both of them have run FF identity through the mud. Nomura even managed to ruin his own child as well since KH3 is fucking awful in comparison to the original game and KH2.

>>718281661
then why did ff7r and ff16 sell less than ff7?

Did yoshi fuck someones mum and dad in front them?
There's always a non-stop thread hating on that little nip.

>>718282546
why did 16 RAPE 15? >>718281896

>>718281724
ff14 only sold 1.45m
ff15 sold 6m in a month

>>718282627
Yoshitpiss revived Final Fantasy just so he could kill it again and rape the corpse.

>>718282627
his mmo overshadowed a shitty boyband game and is more popular so the sped who attached his entire life to that game is mindbroken by yoship
hes so buckbroken by yoshi that when hes jerking off to trannyporn he sees yoship in the walls >>718276163

>>718281782
why even lie

clive is the gayest looking ff character btw

>>718282201
Barry you're getting me confused with someone else. Please chill out. All I'm asking is you stick to one metric rather than change it all the time.
What will it be going forward? Total sales? User reviews? How much people happened to cry over it?

>>718282706
>hes still trying to cope with a number from VGshartz from 2013

>>718282801
This is actually true. The only FF16 porn is gay shit with Clive and Cid, and it always focuses on Clive having big juicy mantits.

please
someone
make it stop

>>718282916
Jesus Christ, no wonder he’s seething about XIV and YoshiP 24/7.

>>718276372
You realize the DLC has made that drop to 60%, hence he never finished completing the game with all the content he supposedly claims makes the game "good."

>>718282801
yet you posted the gayest characters in the franchise
>XVfag openly brags about there being 25 thousand fanfictions about noctis getting railed by every man to ever exists
>15's villain is literally some homo who got addicted to demon cock

>>718281896
>>718281947
>>718282085
>>718282026
>>718282390
>ff16 can't even beat XVs peak CCU
>XV has sold over 2 million now on steam while XVI can't even sell 500k, more people have already played XV years ago than xvi in its totality

oh no no no xvi-kun on suicide watch

Unlike Nomura, yoshitpiss respects Final Fantasy.

>>718283002
people would rather play dragtroon age shartfard instead of playing FF15
let that fact sink in XVfag

>>718282643
>>718282554
>>718282240
>>718282026
>>718281981
You mean why did ffxv sell 4x as much as ff16 on steam?

ffxv sold 2m on steam
ff16 can't even sell 500k on steam

>>718282458
so why didn't they release a statement to say that development was halted last year when the exact same thing happened?

>>718283102
>mass replying and moving goalposts
16 won
14 won
flopspoken lost
tabata got fired

>>718282643
>>718281896
>>718281947
>>718281981

>ffxv peak ccu 29k
>ffxvi peak ccu 27k


ummm xvisissies...

>>718282554
ff16 cost $300 million and the team was disbanded and yoshitpiss demoted
luminous director literally got promoted to head uo the new engine division and continue working on luminous engine

>>718283182
>XVI players 1000
>xv players 500
OOOOOF
xv even keeps going on sale for like $10 and no one wants it

>>718282627
yoshitpiss killed ff and the yoshitpiss cultists are malding that ff15 mogged ff16 and ff14

case in point here's one of those xiv gooks >>718282780 who also looks up tranny porn

>He’s back on the luminous engine

If it was so good, why did they switch to UE5?

>>718283182
>>ffxv peak ccu 29k
>XIV peak ccu 95,102
woah

>>718283274
>made up number
meanwhile flopspoken lost 200 million dollars, the studio was closed, and the staff send to be codemonkeys under the actual talent
>b-b-b-but look yoship isn't on the board anymore!!!!
reminder that he has said multiple times in interviews from years ago that he never wanted on the board

>>718282853
Sounds like you're crying because everything you deflected to was btfo

>>718282864
This isn't vgchartz you retard this is directly from square enix financial reports

>>718283394
>Can't fulfil my request because he knows he's full of shit and relies on moving goalposts all the time
All I needed to know, thanks.

>>718282916
>>718282947
why did it take until 2019 for ff14 to finally overtake xv in peak ccu? when xv hit 29k ff14s peak ccu was 24k

>>718283360
>the only thing anyone will remember FF15 for is being linked to an event mount in the more popular game

>>718283476
>2013
20 million is more than 10

>>718282980
the plat is obtained the game was 100%d

>>718282984
xvi bragged about having a gay kiss on screen

xv villain literally has a fiance who tells him fucking her will cheer him up

>>718283642
Not when the DLC literally changes how the game fucking functions you retarded bitch. Hell you could cheese the shit out of the Adamantoise with the Ring because of how fucking garbage everything else in the game works.

>>718283091
2 million people already played ffxv you retard
its been on steam since 2018

ff16 only came to steam less than a year ago and less people have played it in totality

>>718283642
reminder than fagtis dies a kissless virgin
even tidus is straighter than ff15

>>718283176
because it wasn't halted last year it was only halted a few weeks ago

>>718283719
weird cope since PS1 ports that launched on steam in 2013 have more players at this very moment than 15 does

>>718283180
ff15 sold more than both
ff16 lost more money than forspoken
(ff16 cost $300m, only made $147m, vs forspoken costing $100m and it made that back)
yoshitpiss was demoted after ff16 flopped
tabata resigned SE of his own choice and other SE staff joined his company

>>718283868
successful studios don't get shut down a week after their game launches
flopspoken cost at least 200 million and lost most of that

>>718283303
Ignoring the fact that xv has already been played by over 2m people on steam while ff16 barely even 500k?

ff16 also literally cheaper than xv ever was 2 years after release

Nomura is old as shit and is retiring so doubt his opinion matters

>>718283950
16 at its cheapest on steam is $30 USD
15 on steam at cheapest is $12 USD
15 on PS4 was in the bargain bin for $5 less than a month after launch
explain how 7 and 9 are raping 15 in current players then

>>718283356
They didn't
ff16 didn't use unreal engine
ff7r and rebirth and pt3 uses ue4 not ue5 because they're built on ff7rs ue4 foundation and too late to change
only kh4 and dq12 use ue5 because they started dev years ago and its too late to switch now

any new AAA game that started after may 2023 will be on the in-house game engine which is an evolution of luminous engine, its likely that's the radec engine that SE just trademarked so luminous rename

>>718282201
Just chiming in to say that I've now seen the poll, DQ11 chads, we fucking won. FFXV BTFO.
I'm sure there won't be an angry response to this post where the goal posts will have been moved to sales numbers.

>>718284113
not surprising, turnBASED chad games will always mog actionslop like XV

>>718283781
I know, I'm asking why didn't they halt it the first time it happened a year ago

>>718284163
Explains why FFX and FFIX mogged XV.

I did not think people would still be seething about FF16 2 years later. What did this game do to piss of these autists?

Dragon Quest is boring as fuck and ugly. You only pretend to like it because you're expected to. It's like the Beatles.

>>718284292
It exists and the guy who stole XV hype with an mmo helped make it

>>718284292
It wasn't good and its just another disappointing entry into a troubled yet beloved franchise.
Why wouldn't there still be talk of it? People won't shut up about it until 17 come out and only.if that's good

>>718283360
>ff14 needed asmongtard to hit a ccu higher than ff15

in 2018 when xv hit 29k the ff14 peak ccu was 24k
it didnt hit 90k until asmong wowtards jumped to ff14 in mid 2019

also lol

>>718284484
>yet more cope
15 lost in every metric to 14

>>718284413
Yeah but 13 and 15 both suck dick and nobody gives a shit about them, why is FF16 special. It's two years old at this point, why do these autists even still remember it? I played it when it came out, enjoyed it, but even I forget the game exists until I see these threads. If someone who liked the game forgets it exists why do people who hate it remember it?

>>718283392
Not made up
company who worked on ff16 said in their financial report that ff16 cost $300m

also your $200m is made up, forspoken was $100m not 200
the staff were promoted and Aramaki is heading up the engine development division now doing development on luminous engine while yoshitpiss was demoted and ff16 team no longer exists

yoshitpiss recently debunked that claim that he never said he wanted to be on the board too you retard

>>718283513
What was your request retard? Name one thing you're clinging to

>>718284606
>no proof of anything
the 100 million is also JUST production, not counting any advertising
flopspoken lost
15 lost

>>718283545
Then why is ffxv more influential than ff16 or ff14? why doesn't anyone like ff16 or ff14?

why is forspoken higher rated than dawntrail on steam?

>>718283619
ff14 hasn't even sold 2 million

xv lost
forspoken lost
xvi lost
remake lost
square enix has not gotten a W in 10 years. what is going on at that company?
ig dqxi sold fine in japan

>>718284602
because its not special
16 is basically the posterchild for a "fine" FF game, okay to play through it but completely forgettable
its not amazing like 7, 9, or 10
its not a colossal shitpile like 13 or 15
and the schizo who is obsessed with defending 15 is triggered by the fact that 16 is just forgettable and not hated

>>718283717
it doesn't change anything and the plat is still obtained thus 100%

you can cheese everything in ff16 with triangle because its dogshit

>>718284602
it was basically a fuck you hate letter to the franchise and kinda showed the hubris of the developers, its why dawntrail will still be talked about in xiv threads even though its also largely forgettable when you actually play it

>>718283739
clive died a virgin though
noctis kisses his wife on screen as ffxv closes out and SE official content has noctis and lunafreya having had kids

>>718284850
>it was basically a fuck you hate letter to the franchise
How?

>>718284880
>noncanon shit
I know you're still seething that 15 had its ending DLC shitcanned but your gay book isn't in the game

>>718283814
Weird cope since ff15 sold more than all of those too you idiot
what don't you get? the people who already played xv are playing the others now too

>>718284664
Did you not read half the post?
I'm asking what single metric we should be using to judge a game going forward. We've hit the bump limit so I'd appreciate an answer.

>>718284798
That weirdly makes sense

>>718283935
then why was ff16 disbanded and the entire company restructured as a result of ff16s failure?

forspoken only cost $100m where the fuck are you pulling $200m from your lying faggot? forspoken also made back its money

meanwhile ff16 cost $300m and didn't even make half of that

>>718284903
something something destroying crystals

>>718284816
No, no it doesn't because literally the reasons you claim the goddamn game is "good" is the changes the DLC added to the game, hence why if you didn't even do the DLCs, you didn't 100% the fucking game, keep moving your shitty goalpost.

>>718284939
>hes just flat out lying because a PS1 game outsold 15

>>718284063
XV 2 years after release was $50 on steam
XVI is literally in bargsin bins at $4
XV sold over 6m at full price
XVI barely sold 3m and it stopped selling week 2

xv sold more than all of those on steam
it wasn't until 2019 xv got a new steam price you retard
ff16 is $50 on steam same as xv was when it first went to steam

>>718285083
I could have sworn there was at least one other ff that had you destroying the crystals. Am I just a misremembering faggot?

>>718284113
>>718284163
>>718284253
why did ff16 lose to ff15?

dq11 already sold more in Japan than most FF did so no shit its popular so then why did ff16 lose so badly to ff15?

>>718284903
completely gutted the gameplay of the franchise and the story is basically about destroying magic and crystals and fantasy. previos FFs are about a diverse group of people coming together to take on a thread to humanity. xvi is about the most super special guy who literally drains the powers of other people into his own body. xiii also had crystals in antagonistic roles but it was done in a much more interesting way, here in xvi it almost feels spiteful. not to mention in every interview yoship seemed almost embarassed about making an ff game. he called jrpg a slur, said that rpg elements were outdated and that the series needed to evolve to keep up with the times and catch a younger audience. its ironic then that the result is a game that feels outdated by 2013 standards, let alone 2023. and that no one under 30 gave a shit about the game

>>718285083
xiii also has you (effectively) destroying crystals but it goes about it in a much better way. the crystals being bad is a major focus in xiii whereas in xvi they're just bad because we need a striking target for clive to go on boring missions to destroy

>>718284850
>hate letter to the franchise
yeah 15 is dogshit being just a cup noodle ad larping as a final fantasy game

>>718285174
Fun fact. FF15 was rated 79% on Steam before it got the price slash. Same score that FF16 is now.

>>718284217
because they only put it in hold now
last time jpg redelivered it in 2 weeks

>>718284292
ff16 killed ff

>>718285260
>destroying magic
but enough about 15 and the total removal of magic to replace it with craftable grenades instead

>>718285262
yes i agree

>>718285307
XV did, why do you think so many games after it came out sell so much worse?

>>718285208
Exdeath destroys the crystals in FFV, and I'm pretty sure Golbez does the same in FFIV
>>718285260
In XVI the crystals are bad because they suck up life from the planet. It's literally no different than FFVII

>>718284532
then why did ff15 mog ff14?

>>718285260
>he called jrpg a slur
I remember nomura said that too, I think they both said it because a lot of game journos were claiming that jrpgs are not real rpgs or something to that extent, I don't think that means either of them hate final fantasy