Thread 718266425

The definition of stagnant, inconsistent, and aimless.

Bait used to be believable.

>>718266425 (OP)
Well when they fuck up every spin-off title in some way so that they bomb, capcom becomes terrified to do anything outside of the box
>everyone complains about the coop titles
>consistent bitching about the action horror slant the series started to take
>the assym multiplayer game is a ghost town now
>still no game where you play as any of the monsters

It really isn't great that - at this point - most of the games in the series have deviantart fanfiction tier writing.

>>718266425 (OP)
They haven't known what to do with it since they killed off Wesker.

>>718271124
>They haven't known what to do with it since they killed off Wesker.
Why do people act like Wesker was a grand lynchpin or whatever.
Basically, what happened was this.

FIRST ERA: IWAO
>Kenichi Iwao basically writes the entirety of RE1 and acts as the game's shadow director
>Mikami gets pissed and moves Iwao to BoF3 late into development, but most of Iwao's major contributions were already in (Zombies, Umbrella, Science-Fiction lean, etc.)
>Iwao leaves Capcom with a bunch of other guys in indignation, joins SE
>RE2's original narrative is split between BIO1.5 and Parasite Eve 2

SECOND ERA: FLAGSHIP
>BIO1.5 is fucking shit
>Enter: Sugimura
>Background in TV writing, he assists Kamiya in writing RE2
>during this time, he looks over and approves bonus materials for the Saturn release of RE1, including the Trevor Files which introduce the character of Spener
>begins planning other elements (Rival Company, Wesker's revival, Government conspiracy, etc.)
>pretty much everything EXCEPT Raccoon City getting nuked was planned by Sugimura in some way, RC getting nuked was thrown in by 3's staff since they existed outside of Flagship
>RE4 was supposed to be the final part of a loose "End of Umbrella" Trilogy- CV shows the fall of the Ashfords, Zero with Marcus, and 4 with Spencer
>Mikami forces Kamiya to scrap BIO4 and turn it into DMC
>BIO4 dev continues but is pretty aimless with the lead guy gone, leads to gross overestimations of GCN hardware, project is going to shit
>SUGIMURA DIES LOL

THIRD ERA: FLAGSHIP REMNANTS
>Mikami stitches together some shit from all prior versions of BIO4 together, calls it a story, slaps it into the game
>makes it so that games now happen in the year they release in and Umbrella is dead
>Umbrella Chronicles and BIO5 are created to, essentially, speedrun the 'Rival Company' arc in two games using what Sugimura had written before he died

I like RE7

>>718271124
>>718272883
FOURTH ERA: A NEW ARC
>RE6, Revelations, and ORC all go far deeper into the government conspiracy angles of RE as that's what had been leftover outside of the Rival Company stuff, which RE5 effectively ended in a single game
>RE6 bombs horribly and 'franchise restructuring' is in order
>RE6's clear cut next arc involving 'The Family' and 'A world of bioterror' is shitcanned
>Adjacent to this, Revelations 2 tells a storyline that will never get a sequel due to 6's failure

FIFTH ERA: THE END OF HISTORY
>Resident Evil 7 & 8 tell original storylines with barely any connections beyond token callbacks that will never get followed up on
>The remakes exists as quick and dirty intros for new fans who "care" about continuity
>projects like Umbrella Corps and Netflix RE tease Wesker's return as a way to test the waters
>Overall, Capcom doesn't really give too much of a shit at this point and wants the series to be more anthology horror focused where people can pick up a single game and play it without feeling like they're gonna miss out on something by not playing 20 other games
>in all likelihood, any plot point that is still left hanging will never get resolved due to this

>>718272948
It's mid.

>>718272883
>Why do people act like Wesker was a grand lynchpin
Because he's been retconned into being the big antagonist of Chris so now everyone pretends he was actually the only thing holding the franchise together instead of someone who could easily be replaced by literally any other bioterrorist villain of the week easily if they actually cared to do so. The problem is that shit needs to move on from umbrella entirely. You can have an abandoned research facility hear or there but they are not villains anymore since they're all goddamned dead.

>>718274415
>Because he's been retconned into being the big antagonist of Chris
Well that's the thing, that's only the case in two games, both of which came out nearly a decade a part, and the last one is now 16 years behind us.
>The problem is that shit needs to move on from umbrella entirely
That's the bigger issue.
The irony is, people talk about RE4 like it saved RE from being solely about Umbrella, but it absolutely doomed it to only having Umbrella as villains. The idea was thus:
>RE1&2 setup the narrative
>CV-Zero-4 (+ Survivor1-2-4) show the complete downfall of Umbrella
>running in the background of those three games is the rival company and government conspiracy side that carry the games beyond Umbrella
Wesker is the guy who introduces the Rival Company to the player, but because of 4, not only is he the only face the Rival Company has, he is also trying to bring back Umbrella for whatever reason, which makes him the face of EVERYTHING in RE for all of one game.

RE6 was a genuine continuation, narratively, of what Sugimura and Flagship had been trying to do.
>Government conspiracy angle with Simmons and Carla
>Interpersonal relationships with Leon and Ada
>Trauma and grief turned into optimism through Chris and Piers
>A longrunning narrative realized in its extended cast through Sherry and Jake
The game fucking sucks, but its story is one of the best in RE for what it's trying to do, which is bring RE AWAY from Umbrella- even Neo Umbrella is quite literally just a facade designed to trick and scare people, and the reality is that Umbrella is truly dead and nobody in this storyline has anything to do with Umbrella.

>>718272883
>4 with Spencer

QRD on this?

>>718274831
Thoughts on CV and Zero story?

>>718274962
The original plan for 4 was always for Spencer to be the main antagonist and then die.
In Kamiya's version, Dante and Vergil were originally the twin sons of Spencer (obviously not named Dante and Vergil), and it would be about one son, Tony Redgrave (Dante) killing his dad, who is a semi-immortal beast of a man.
You can see this original idea for Spencer in the concept art of DMC, but even in the Trevor Files that got published with the Saturn version, Trevor calls Spencer an 'imposing man' in regards to his physical presence- which is certainly not the case come RE5, a mere 8 years later on the timeline.
The later Leon versions had Leon, in 1999, investigating areas around Spencer's castle, and there would be an HCF raid on it which would lead to the events of the main game where Leon is infected and Wesker's HCF squad is, once again, wiped out.
I imagine that, outside of Ada, a lot of release RE4 isn't too dissimilar from what was planned. Just switch Saddler/Salazar out for Spencer, and maybe Krauser for Wesker (we just don't know that much about non-Leon and Spencer roles). The obvious plan from there, based on 4 itself and RE5, was for Spencer to die and Wesker to continue his rise in the Rival Company, now that he's toppled Umbrella in addition to securing a t-Veronica sample.
And yes- Umbrella would be gone. That was always the plan.
>>718275071
Would take too long to go over.
CV has a lot going on that people don't really get or appreciate, and it's the best connective tissue from the reserved style of RE1 into the ideas brought up in RE2- the ideas of superhumans made through viruses, which become Alexia and Wesker (and of course, Spencer was always that).
Zero is weirder and harder to grasp, but an idea to chew on is this.
Ultimately, it is the story of a man forgotten and then subsumed by his creation (Marcus). Billy himself is also forgotten by the end of the game, and Birkin suffers a similar fate to Marcus.
What of Rebecca and Wesker?

>>718274415
>any other bioterrorist villain of the week
is really this easy
>head researcher of project dude who wants immortality/godhood
>rich, odd benefactor who pays for it all out of some odd, personal reason
>amoral mercenary who doesn't really care what he does so long as he gets paid
literally just fill these 3 slots and you have a game/arc antagonist
They can even flex around (the mercenary wants revenge or pride and not money, the researcher is falseflagging to show the dangers of bioresearch so people fight it more, the rich weirdo maybe doesn't want hot, sweaty sex with X companion but genuinely thinks the virus will improve mankind) so you can add some variance but you could make at least 4 different resident evils just by coming up with random characters to fulfill those archetypes

>>718275515
>>718275071
Like, CV has way, way too much going on, you could write a book on everything in it in regards to its themes and usage of allusion. Like, here, Wesker literally calls himself a ghost haunting Chris in his interaction with Claire, and, exclusive to Chris' side, is the mansion recreation. Nothing is being stated about Chris' trauma or his specific reasons on why he chose to hide what he was doing from Claire, so all of this is doing that legwork, and it culminates with this image- Claire, entrapped, in the heart of the mansion. And that's Chris' fault.

>>718275515
>CV has a lot going on that people don't really get or appreciate, and it's the best connective tissue from the reserved style of RE1 into the ideas brought up in RE2

Explain please

>>718275515
>The original plan for 4 was always for Spencer to be the main antagonist and then die.

How did they go from that to the village, castle and island? Were the village and island late additions?

>>718272883
He didn't have to be a lynchpin, but he gave the series an identifiable face enemy. One can only fight 'Umbrella', a faceless entity, so many times. Or Spencer? For all that he's mentioned throughout the series, the characters never even get to face him. Wesker was more interesting because he had his own agenda, which didn't always coincide with Umbrella's or anyone else's. Since then they've tried to make 'Neo Umbrella', the Connections, NotAda, 'The Family', and numerous other faceless Umbrella clones and random wackos with a singular agenda into a new antagonist, but none have ever had the charisma and staying power Wesker had, even when he was only on the periphery, he was always lurking around.

>>718275820
The village was always there.
Leon has a prequel story that was written for the earlier versions called 'Diary of a Madman' which is about his investigations into the surrounding villages and becoming slowly aware that he is surrounded by Umbrella agents- much like in RE4's opening where he investigates the village only to discover all of them are in on the conspiracy (or rather, taken over by las plagas).
>>718275735
RE1 is Iwao's game. It's a pretty hard (for RE) SF title about some workplace bureaucracy leading to an internal outbreak, and the most any employees have to say on it range from "It cannot be helped" or "How can I make money/do more work with this" and the only guy who realizes just how bad this is (John) kills himself.
RE2 plants the seed for various ideas. The G-Virus is literally a virus designed for creating superhumans, a stark difference from the tyrant virus creating a monster tyrant that controls other monsters (early concept), and it focuses more on the characters. 4th Survivor itself, pre-RE3, was even a leadin for the next game, as HUNK was to be RE3's protagonist before that original version (Ship BIO3) got cancelled/turned into Kamiya's BIO4.
CV then takes those ideas and advances them to the conclusions 2 is setting up- Alexia and Wesker, and it leans harder on the government conspiracy and rival company ideas that RE2 dived into.

>>718275972
>even when he was only on the periphery, he was always lurking around
No he wasn't, he was a fucking loser whom they tried to paint as some "all according to keikaku" shitbird. He had no personality besides getting shat on or spouting the meme lines in 5. Wesker had personality for 2 games at best and one of them is a lightgun game.

>>718276393
Why did they bring back Wesker in CV?

Chris? Stop it!

>>718275972
You're mistaking headcanon and revisionism for what actually happened.
Wesker was only in about six games. RE1, CV, Zero, 4, UC, and 5. In those titles, he was never a big deal or anything you describe, until 4('s expanded rerelease).
People are looking back and revising the history of RE to go "RE had an identifiable antagonist for the first 13 years", when in reality, Wesker was more of like a shounen rival until 2005. His portrayal in CV is echoing Dio or Char Aznable far more than it does a shadowy main antagonist like you describe- because he was written to be that way before 4.
4 was a grand retconning of his character, and then he died four years and two games later in RE5. Really, a lot of this "grand mastermind" stuff is far more prevalent in the movie version of Wesker I'd say.

Was Marcus a retcon?

>>718276512
>His portrayal in CV is echoing Dio or Char Aznable

Does RE have any manga influences?

>>718276503
See >>718276512
He was brought back to be a shounen-esque rival for Chris. Because the guy who wrote in for Wesker to be brought back did a lot of work in that field and recognized the power of a rival.
Wesker was not meant to be the main antagonist, he was meant to act in parallel to Chris. CV even has a moment where it offers a "What if", as in, "What if Chris and Wesker worked together?".
In the revised Alexia vs Wesker scene in CVX, Wesker spots Chris and the exchange is:
>W: Chris!
>C: Wesker!
>W: Chris! Since you're one of my best men...
And at that moment, he's excited, he's directed to sound like he's cooling off from an adrenaline high, and then his voice lowers in a taunting way, not unlike his final scenes in the game.
>W: I'll let you handle this.
It is a fascinating moment, and Wesker from 4 on would NEVER do anything like that. He's a completely different character by that point.
>>718276651
Probably a few, but most of its visual influences are from films.
It is worth noting that staff from Char's Counterattack did work on RE- 4D Executer, another FLAGSHIP project, and Kamiya himself is a fan of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure and included a reference to it in RE2 (the famous 'JoJo' locker that Marvin is sitting in front of).
>>718276574
Yes, he was. He was never mentioned before, but that works to the game's favor.
As I stated earlier, Marcus is someone who is forgotten and subsumed into his creation, much like Birkin. Zero is the story of people who have no stories, their identities and lives erased. Marcus, Billy, Birkin. Thus, Marcus' retconning actually gels with the game's ideas.
And again- what does that mean for Wesker if that's what happened to Birkin and Marcus? UC even calls back to this with Wesker's commentary on Sergei's transformation reflecting who he was on the inside.

Recently its been great. Only problem with THREEmake is that it was too short.

Yes I miss the old school style too. I guess indie games are the only way to experience new ones now.

Rebecca and Billy feel like guest characters in a story that's really about Wesker, Birkin, and Marcus. Those 3 just dump tons of exposition about dumb RE lore on the player and do shit offscreen the supposed protagonists are never even aware of. Billy and Rebecca never even really enter into the equation and pretty much everything that happens to them over the course of the game is a side effect of Marcus and the other two trying to fuck each other over. It's hilarious when they finally meet Marcus for the first time, about 5 minutes before the game ends, and Billy's reaction is quite literally "Wait, who are you?" before Marcus just randomly launches into some generic evil monologue and turns into a leech monster.

>>718272883
>makes it so that games now happen in the year they release in
entire franchise has been a walking corpse ever since btw

>>718277186
But that feels kind of on purpose, right?
Marcus' (The Queen Leech's) whole goal is just to attack Umbrella and get revenge, but he never can do more than that. Nobody will know who he is, his revenge will only be known about by very few people, all of whom will die without telling anyone that he did it.
Dead Aim even ends up telling you who the blame got pinned on- Morpheus. A guy who looked kind of like Marcus took the fall, and all of his ambitions are erased. His work is merely the work of Birkin's, and his post-mortem ambitions were the insanity of a rogue Umbrella employee.

>>718272883
>pretty much everything EXCEPT Raccoon City getting nuked was planned by Sugimura in some way
wasn't he also mad about claire's epilogue in 3? since it makes her finding chris into the main dangling plot thread, or was that some other dev

>>718266425 (OP)
okay but i actually did clap during this scene

>>718277521
Nah, it was Claire's ending in RE2. He was writing CV at the time which had Jill as the protagonist, and Kamiya had inserted new final lines for Claire wherein she says "Chris... I have to find you."
Sugimura is an actual screenwriter, so he knew that he couldn't leave this blatant plot thread hanging while Chris and Jill got a new adventure, and HUNK was getting a game, with Leon and Jill not having any new materials in sight.
Pretty much, here's what RE looked like before that revision
>Chris and Jill were in Europe taking down the Ashford Family (CV original concept)
>HUNK was heading to a meeting point in Paris to deliver the G-Virus (EX Files)
>Ada was heading to intercept him, only to realize her love for Leon and abandon her work as a spy (Ada Drama Album)
>Sherry became estranged from Leon and Claire, with Umbrella razing the surrounding area in pursuit of her. She manages to escape and leaves for Canada with the only other survivor, Meg. (Sherry Drama Album)
>Claire is MIA (No plans for her at this time)
>Leon is MIA / part of an Anti-Umbrella Organization (no real insight on her far in advanced this was planned)

>>718277339
>entire franchise has been a walking corpse ever since btw

I'd say since RE4 when they threw out the original Spencer/castle plan

https://www.crimson-head.com/articles/biohazard-35

>Background Movie Test (1). Chapel: This is a room engulfed in hell fire.
>—実験動画背景画像 (1). 礼拝堂. 業火に包まれた部屋です。
>Background Movie Test (2). Room with a bird cage. Lightning flashes through a window.
>— 実験動画背景画像 (2). 鳥カゴのある部屋. から雷光が差し込みます。
>Background Movie Test (3). Spiral staircase. Dripping with water.
>— 実験動画背景画像 (3). 螺旋階段. 水が滴っています。
>Background Movie Test (4). Stairs which go up a cliff. There's a rainstorm blowing violently.
>JULY 15, 2002: “I don't think I can say anything about biohazard 4 yet, the young staff are struggling to make it good, so it’s changing everyday. Of course I’m checking what is going on, but we really don't know what’s going to happen. The only thing I say is biohazard 4 will definitely release only on GameCube, not on another console, if it happens, I’ll commit seppuku.” Shinji Mikami (Hyper Capcom Special)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1TJxB7acV0

Leon S.Kennedy Castle version model in Maya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1mBVFPdfps

>>718276237
>RE2 plants the seed for various ideas. The G-Virus is literally a virus designed for creating superhumans
Iwao says that's more or less what he intended for Wesker's secret agenda in the first game. If he's telling the truth you could look at it as another idea floating around during 1's development that ended up making its way into both 1.5/2 and pe2

>>718277897
>>Claire is MIA (No plans for her at this time)
>>Leon is MIA / part of an Anti-Umbrella Organization (no real insight on her far in advanced this was planned)

So they gave Claire and Leon their own games, CV and RE4?

>>718277897
ah right, i mixed those two together in my memory

interesting that they still kept the big tease for that thread in 3, then. just leftover, miscommunication or trying to hedge their bets i wonder?

エンジンを一新し、フルポリゴンで描かれるという新しいホラー「biohazard4」。公開された映像はまるでムービーのようだったが、すべてゲーム中の画像だという。とにかく圧倒的なグラフィックのクオリティだ

‘Biohazard 4 is a new horror experience, with its engine completely renewed & designed to use full polygon. The trailer unveiled was movie quality but it was all in-game footage. This is an extraordinary standard of graphics.’

The Resident Evil 4 Trial Edition Debug menu can be hacked to access a stage-list, organised into four sections covering the three main game locations (Village, Castle, Island) and a selectable area containing leftover data from biohazard 3.5. Below is the list of “Loadable Stages” covering the ‘Caste’ & ‘Hallucination’ scenarios/

00 - AIRSHIP

20 - airship_rouka / airship passage

41 - AIRSHIP_L_WING

42 - AIRSHIP_R_WING

>>718278014
that in particular just seems like such a ticking narrative bomb that in retrospect it feels crazy that they let mikami get away with it. though i guess the moral of this entire story is that only a few people at capcom were ever really thinking more than one game ahead and also in a position to coordinate it.

09 - SPIRAL STAIRCASE: Descending deep into the bowels of Spencer's castle, this is the early stage which first introduces the ‘Black Fog’ into the gameplay. We now know, with Yasuhisa Kawamura’s exclusive insight, that this stage sets the scene for Leon’s exposure to the new gaseous bio-weapon, brought into Spencer’s Castle, by the HCF squad, lead by Wesker.

>>718278079
Claire got CV purely because Kamiya rewrote her ending. There were no *known* plans for her at that time (though she presumably was penned to have some kind of drama album or later game appearance after CV/Zero/ShipBIO).
Leon though, is a special case.
He is simultaneously written as the 'main character of RE' in the sense that he embodies the ideals RE wants its protagonists to have- he literally makes Ada a better person through his sheer perseverance and good nature, but also, he was written out of RE very early on.

Gaiden is a title that even today nobody is entirely sure on the "canonicity" of. Everyone knows it ends with an imposter Leon, but a lot of what it does was canonical- Leon DID join the same Anti-Umbrella organization as Barry, Chris, and Jill. Early builds of BIO4 even state as much, and at the time of CV's release, I recall an interview where a developer said "Players will see what Leon was doing at this time soon."
So, Leon died or went MIA in his second game was the "plan". However- keep in mind the Ada Drama Album. There was likely a far greater plan than we knew of, and the Drama Albums were intended as a way to bridge gaps. I imagine, had the series continued in that direction (if Gaiden was meant to be canon, which again, dubious), Ada might've been the one saving Leon in another drama album or side story to append a happier spin on the ending.
But Leon was put into BIO4 after Kamiya's project with Tony Redgrave became DMC, just to give the game an existing protagonist.
>>718278319
3's Epilogue Files were written with an awareness of what games were coming next- similar to 2's EX Files.
>Jill
Allusion to Umbrella tracking Chris (CV).
>Chris
CV prelude.
>Barry
Never followed up.
>Leon
Allusion to 3.5 (Sherry taken by rival company).
>Claire
CV prelude.
>Sherry
See Leon.
>Ada
We have no idea.
>HUNK
Cute bonus.

0b - CHAPEL: Carried over into the retail product, is the Chapel as a separate building location, housing the same chandelier (used by Leon to jump across to access the Salazar insignia light puzzle), and is also inspiration for similar interior design within Salazar’s Castle. This area was first seen all the way back in 2001, with the background movie test video #1, of a Chapel engulfed in fire.

0c - WATERWHEEL: The background silhouette of the airship clearly suggests that this is the docking bay, presumably leading to the entrance to Spencer's island protected castle.

0d - UNDER PASSAGE: Connecting main gameplay arena offered by the Castle, to a previous docking/landing area, Leon infiltrates Spencer’s castle from a clandestine underground passageway, with assets used for this area finding their way into the retail incarnation, Salazar’s castle.

Bros, do you think RE9 will be something like RE 3.5 story concept revived? Capcom has officially stated that the game will be "a requiem and a new beginning". And there are a lot of rumors abot playable Leon. So maybe we'll fight Spencer (or the new head of Umbrella) after all, and Leon will eventually die?

>>718278683
And since we're 3.5 posting now, here's a dump of Diary of a Madman- the original prelude concept to Leon's BIO4.

>>718278894
Post RE3.5 kino please

How much of those builds still remain in retail RE4?

>>718278894
Key notes
>January 1999 (One month post-CV)
>Sherry is kidnapped by someone outside Umbrella (in line with Wesker's Report)
>Central Europe (Spencer)
>Leon in an Anti-Umbrella group
>Claire's email from CV
>Wesker's Report directly referenced
>>718278976
Much of release RE4's storyline is just a jumbled up patchwork of the older builds for one- and Lost in Nightmares itself in RE5 uses quite a few BIO3.5 assets.

>>718278890
I couldn't care less.

>>718278890
I don't see the point. The series has gone to shit two times already, they clearly don't give a fuck.

>>718279043
>Chris and Claire are "on their way"
>Umbrella spies in the local towns (like release RE4's cultists)
>Leon willingly chooses to only take a flashlight and a handgun
>A lone zombie in a mansion with no sign of where it could come from or how someone could get infected out here

>>718266425 (OP)
>reboot series to make it more grounded
>3 games in and we're playing as someone with magic powers
>also confuse the reboot with a bunch of reboots so no one even knows the canon any more

>>718279145
This page is assorted images and lines that, presumably, would actually be in the main game. I imagine the prelude text here is part of an opening scene plus the first area (a village and a mansion facade- maybe that leads to the airship? And then to Spencer's castle?)

>>718279043
>Lost in Nightmares itself in RE5 uses quite a few BIO3.5 assets.

QRD?

>>718279213
This is just a pure promo page.
>>718279214
As in, some environments are just ripped straight up from 3.5 with minor edits, and this is because they kept continuity with the design of Spencer's mansion for whatever reason. In particular, I recall one 3.5 trailer had Leon walking down some outdoor stairs- those are in Lost in Nightmares, in the later portions of the game (most of the early stuff is original to the DLC to replicate RE1).

>>718279318
Final page, mostly about the hallucinations and Leon succumbing to the virus, hence, 'Diary of a Madman'.

>>718278890
Idk. Tbh I hope that stuff is more secondary and it mainly focuses on Grace's contained story like RE7 did.

Wild how REmake and RE0 were by far the best looking games in the console gen, and RE4 was planned to surpass that

>>718278890
>So maybe we'll fight Spencer (or the new head of Umbrella)
Wesker literally killed Spencer in 5
Umbrella is no more

The villain of 9 is going to be some a shadow group working for the goverment with Lisa Trevor as the big monster

>>718279145
>I've had it with these damned puzzles!
heh

I like RE6

>>718279534
it's such a shame that prerendered backgrounds fell out of fashion right as they were really maturing.

>>718279634
And in RE8 we found out that Spencer was acquainted with Miranda. So maybe it was his cunning plan. In fact, he was kept alive by the magic mold. BSAA were corrupt from the very beginning and helped to hide it

Jill was so hot in this movie. The only redeeming thing about it really

Resident Evil is a cartoon franchise, that's why its popular. Capcom tried to do a fresh start with RE7 but it was largely rejected by fans because it didnt feature Sonic the Hedgehog and friends

>>718279534
SOVL

>>718278890
I think this time, they might finally reveal the meaning of the Outbreak file 2 ending, since you know, Outbreak is officially canon now. I remember it showed us some kind of company/lab working under the nuked Racoon City. And this game will be heavily connected to Outbreak series and their characters.

>>718280162
>Capcom tried to do a fresh start with RE7 but it was largely rejected by fans
It sold 15 million copies at least. That's being largely rejected?

>>718268919
At least they're fun
>Inb4 more RE6 shitting
Game is fun
Especially with a friend

No other game out in the market plays like it
The progression is dogshit though

How is it stagnant and inconsistent at the same time?

>>718280162
>it was rejected by fans, that's why the only two other mainline titles are a direct sequel to it and another game by the same director doing the exact same shit as 7
???

>>718279765
Me trying to get a waifu on the left.

>>718280050
Does she always have that big jewish schnoz?

>>718282721
she's french, after all

>>718266425 (OP)
the last good RE was 5, 6 was ok, but barely.

death island sucks, the story is generic af

>>718266425 (OP)
>Avengers-style hero shot
Fucking cringe
When did RE become Marvel superhero slop?

>>718285163
Since it kept reusing the same protagonists

I've only played 5 and that 3DS one that took place on a big ship. I bought 4 and got the 7 and 8 bundle and so far im on chapter 7 (8?) Of 4 and its really fun.

>>718275678
>>Claire, entrapped, in the heart of the mansion. And that's Chris' fault.

Not bad, not bad at all.

>>718266425 (OP)
Thats what happens when your story has a beginning, middle, then remake. Look forward to RE14 when Leon has some kind of adventure with a pursuer monster, and Ada appears to maybe help or hinder him. Also there will be a reference to Umbrella, and Wesker. Wow!

>>718266425 (OP)
>The definition of stagnant, inconsistent, and aimless.
That's why RE9 is going to end the mainline series. It will be the last numbered Resident Evil game. It's the "Final Chapter" of the RE game series, if you will. Future games are going to ignore the old continuity and go in a bold new direction.

>Gather together enough younger characters to take over for the aging originals
>Literally tease that a passing of the torch is going to happen by having one of the veterans say he's finally going to hang it up after one last mission
>Literally kick the foundation out from under the whole idea in the same game
>"Fuck that, everyone gets virused and physically stays 35 or younger from now on"
Seriously, they're so risk averse they've got only themselves to blame.

>>718286423
>Capcom needs to risk more!
>make RE6, ORC, UC
>haha looks at how they fuck up their IP
>return to traditional
>so when will Capcom actually innovate?

>>718286650
All those games featured the classic characters in some capacity, and RE6 is where they laid the groundwork for a new cast before seemingly getting cold feet before the game ends and killing off one of the better replacements.

>>718286423
why does capcom keep trying to pass the torch with all their popular MCs anyway? its retarded and it never works

>>718286423
They didn’t stop trying to have new protagonists. Ethan has 7 & 8, and Grace will have 9. Whether they and/or others will actually stick around for a while is another thing, but they didn’t stop.

>>718286423
Wouldn't bioenhanced operators violate some UN bioweapons ban?

>>718287051
Yeah but theyre used by the BSAA in Village, so theres that.

>>718266425 (OP)
Don't worry wesker will save re once again
It will be revealed that wesker was actually a good guy and real villian was chris all along

>>718287171
BSAA is international? Not just US but given a stamp of approval?

>>718287791
I mean, UN regulations are UN regulations. No first world country would be able to get away with that (in theory).
Chris was pretty surprised to see them at the time too, so he wasnt aware they existed.

>>718287051
It doesn't violate the second part of the definition (assuming they're not contagious) according to the biological weapons convention and could be lawyer-finangled to slip by the first part.

>Each State Party to this Convention undertakes never in any circumstances to develop, produce, stockpile or otherwise acquire or retain:
>(1) microbial or other biological agents, or toxins whatever their origin or method of production, of types and in quantities that have no justification for prophylactic, protective or other peaceful purposes;
>(2) weapons, equipment or means of delivery designed to use such agents or toxins for hostile purposes or in armed conflict.

>>718288040
Thats the IRL conventions. After Racoon city in 98' Im willing to speculate things might have gone a lot differently.

>>718288185
Yeah realistically social attitudes and the political landscape would be so different in ways that we couldn't even guess, it would be like trying to imagine the shifts post 9/11 but 100x times more.

>>718287987
>No first world country would be able to get away with that
Dohohohoho

>>718289407
I thought of adding a wink or brackets or something, but it seemed superfluous.

>>718288185
Yeah, even the microbial warfare aside the existence of cloned soldiers would cause massive ripples in all walks of life. What rights does a tyrant, cloned or natural (because out of hundreds of thousands of t-virus infectees there has to be at least one that possessed the gene naturally) have? Are they considered enemy combatants or feral hounds? They invented genejacks in the 1990s and never once thought
>hey, why don't we market these for non-military purposes and not raise them to be sociopaths

>>718273286
YOU'RE mid.

>>718290081
You see,
Muh godhood

>Nerf Jill's boobs in RE3:Remake
>increase her boob size by a factor of 3 for the film because Capcom knows their middling CG can't sell without some fan service

7 and 8 are not RE games

>>718296040
I agree with you.

>>718266425 (OP)
Enough about Silent Hill though, lets talk Resi.
Here's an honest question; you guys think we'll see Zombies come back for Requiem? I mean, we're back in Raccoon, back in the fucking RPD of all things, and the plot has a big focus on the shit that went down in Raccoon City. Is the monster roster gonna be the T-Virus making a final comeback or is it gonna be radiation based B.O.W's this time around?
I mainly gauge my enjoyment of a Resi by its monster roster, since games like OG 2, OG 3, OG 4 and REV 1 had really cool monsters to get spooked by/shoot at. Requiem has a good chance to rectify the sins of 7 and 8 having lackluster monster variety/aesthetics, but I guess we'll have to wait a couple days before we see more.

>>718298220
probably a mix, but asset generation is still gonna be the biggest obstacle

>>718298312
Honestly I just want to see Hunters in first person, even if it might just be the Beta's from 3-make again. Also Giant Spiders, but knowing Capcom they be there because it'll scare the arachnophobe sissies that do the marketing for these games now.

>>718298220
Im expecting hunters and lickers for sure. Maybe even crimson heads. I got a feeling therell be a ton of fan service.

>>718298462
>Also Giant Spiders
And make new models/animations/skeletons? Heaven forbid, you'll take your humanoid enemies and like them.

>>718266425 (OP)
Literally copy paste, lol

>>718266425 (OP)
Realtalk; would a re work with the action of re4 minus the atrocious mechanics like enemies dropping money or ammo and that hypothetical game having the serious tone of silent hill 1?

>>718298519
Far out idea, but maybe Chimera's will come back. Totally unreasonable because they were failed experiments exclusive to the Spencer Mansion Lab, but I just want to see more freaky bug monsters in Requiem honestly. The last two mainline games skimped out, and no Marguerite Baker doesn't count because those bugs were about head sized, not the human sized monstrosities of say 0's Plague Crawlers or Outbreaks Megabites. I want something on the level of 5's Reapers, or the original version of the Drain Deimos or Brain Sucker.

>>718266425 (OP)

I liked Death Island as it was basically REs's version of The Avengers but it felt bottled as it took place in one location.

I just wish they'd make CGI animated movies based Directly on the games and non of these spin-offs!!!FACT!!!

>>718300670

What I'd like is an open world RE game set in Raccoon city, soon after the initial outbreak where you have multiple options on how to progress the story like Fallout does!!!FACT!!!

>>718273217
>and wants the series to be more anthology horror focused where people can pick up a single game and play it without feeling like they're gonna miss out on something by not playing 20 other games
And this is a good thing

>>718278890
If they do have playable Leon I genuinely hope it's only like Chris in RE8. I'm sick of this series nostalgia baiting and relying heavily on callbacks and reference like it's a fucking Marvel movie.

>>718273217
Revelations 2 is self-contained, the only two things they could bring over are Moira and Natalie as protagonist/antagonist, both of them have fuck all to do with RE6 or it's success

Do you think we'll get any idea on what the BSAA were up to from RE8?

>>718301508
They better have a better reason for being "rotten" than just
>we allowed our soldiers who fight literal monsters on a monthly basis to even the odds with some super steroids

>>718268698
Because everyone has been asking for a proper Outbreak for years, but they instead insist on continually releasing these cheaply slapped together chink/murrican-developed asset flips that die after a month.

>>718268919
And that's a good thing, goes perfect with the zombie b movie parody thing.

>>718301597
yeah that's kind of a problem, they spent like 3 games showing how much of a meat-grinder BSAA operations were, trying to replace human soldiers with BOWs seems pretty reasonable when you're looking at casualty rates of up to everyone-that-isnt-chris in serious deployments

I'm still waiting for that anon from the other thread to follow up on explaining this. They only did the first few tiers and stopped

Have they confirmed another animated Resident Evil movie being in the works yet?

>>718279634
VII and Village established that if you’re infected by the Mutamycete that your consciousness becomes a part of the “network” upon your death, and the whole plot of the Rose DLC was Miranda trying to return to life by taking over Rose’s body. If there was an actual overarching story to the RE series, rather than just a collection of disjointed ideas from writers who clearly don’t communicate with one another, Spencer’s death could easily be undone.

Essentially, in a last-ditch effort to save his own life after Alex abandoned him, Spencer went to Miranda, who infected him with the Mold. Afterward, he summoned Albert - as he knew it would also bring the BSAA - in order to make a big production out of his “death”. Then, his “soul” returned to the Megamycete, they uploaded him into a new body (maybe some follower of Miranda’s volunteering for the job, or some previously unmentioned even more secret-er Wesker child), and Spencer is back, better than new.

That’s something I just came up with, surely an actual writer could come up with something better.

Why are we collectively hung up over the writing in a capcom game? A company notorious for not giving shit about its god awful melodramatic plot lines?
Ffs just hit the reboot button. No one would care.

>>718307116
That’s what I was hoping they were doing with the remakes, but it looks like we’re diving headfirst back into the slop.

>>718307273
Idk man lots of people hankering for an re1 remake. It feels a lot when people kept murmuring about an re2remake for no reason.
I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if capcom rushed something out just to put out the monster hunter fires.

I picked up the gold edition of Village from the sale and it's been a lot more fun than I expected, but I'm pretty sure this is mostly because I'm playing with Third Person Mode on. Just wasted all my bullets on the gigante guarding donatello's treasure, but this section was kind of a letdown after the castle and village.

It's a series full of awful remilks now, and retards pog at the opportunity to consume all of it

>>718301597
i doubt it, modern writers love to push the idea that the very act of attempting transhumanism itself is evil like the luddites they are
the fact that the soldier who fights to protect you from feral monsters or mind controlled militia might've spliced himself with something so he can do the job better means he's evil too

>>718301508
Re's story died latest with 6, but actually after 2
>>718303114
Whats this?

>>718266425 (OP)
Counterpoint:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzFhZ5hrTqY

>>718266425 (OP)
Is that a weibo picture?

>>718301508
Unless they’re somehow responsible for whatever’s going on in 9, I’m operating under the assumption that it’ll just be another abandoned plotline for the pile, like Jake becoming Dante, “The Family”, Natalia maybe/maybe not possessed by Alex in Rev 2, whatever was going on in the post-credits of Rev 1, Nikolai’s employers, etc.

>>718301415
>Revelations 2 is self-contained
It really isn't.
Just a rundown of connections,
>Claire
Consistently referencing her prior game, Code Veronica, in a character building way (a good chunk of her early lines are word for word Steve quotes).
>Barry side
It being 6 months after is due to BSAA obfuscation, which ties into the ongoing BSAA corruption plotline started in... well, their introduction when it's revealed that Tricell is a major BSAA donor.
>Neil
His plotline is reviving the FBC following the first Revelations title. He is felled by...
>Urorboros
Blatant RE5 connection, much like
>Alex Wesker
Her being the main antagonist makes this game a direct sequel to RE5, whose only lingering plot thread was Alex Wesker. Several of her files are lifted directly from RE5 itself.

i enjoy resident evil threads like these the most where the series overall is discussed
it is a shame how disjointed this series is

bump

>>718266425 (OP)
RE1, 2 and 3 are the only consistent games. Everything after that is a jumbled mess. The problem here is the fact that Japs can't write any decent plot without resorting to cliches.