Thread 718284934

>optical media on a fucking handheld
For what purpose?

>>718284934 (OP)
it's cool

>>718284934 (OP)
it's fun

>>718284934 (OP)
stable, proven, and it was information dense while also being lightweight.

Why not? Portable CD players could read fast enough to have anti-skip incorporated into them. No need to reinvent the wheel every time. Use what works. Also I don't have the numbers in front of me but wasn't optical media more information dense at the time?

it was neat, but the cases are pretty fragile
plus my PSP stopped reading discs properly so I just said fuck it and sold most of my psp games and bought a bunch of memory sticks and loaded them with the entire psp library

>>718284934 (OP)
It still had higher storage capacity than SD cards at the time.

because solid state storage wasn't very good at the time

>>718285136
>bought a bunch of memory sticks and loaded them with the entire psp library
same, i also bought some umd case replacements for the games i still wanted to use physically

Yes Zoomie, these predated the PSP and worked well for its media (music). Sony thought they'd strike twice by using whatever patents they had for the tech at that time.

So you could use the PSP as a projectile weapon of course.

>>718285118
>Why not?
Optical media bad.

>>718284934 (OP)
At the time, file size. Flash storage was expensive at the time, for less. Discs had economy of scale, even a proprietary format, in comparison to flash storage.

Hey, Jordan, you piece of shit. I want my PSP back. I know it was you, your dickass was the only one that had come over that day. Stop diddling teenagers too. Just a general tip. That has nothing to do with the PSP.

>>718284934 (OP)
I loved my PSP. Yeah probably need a case but these never bothered me

>>718285369
How so? I remember it being pretty good.

Portable media players had so much soul, we need to go back

>>718284934 (OP)
minidisc worked fine
however, the true reason behind every sony product like this, is the proprietary format and licensing fees to use said format
sony has done this time and time again

>>718284934 (OP)
why did they make these cases so hard to open?

>>718284934 (OP)
it's like an awesome piece of analog tech

>>718285583
You're not supposed to open them.

>>718284934 (OP)
Adding on to the other posts, Sony also has a reputation of creating proprietary shit to make more money. Like how they had their own version of SD cards.

>>718284934 (OP)
I use to have a zony discman with antiskip in my car driving through my pothole infested town back in the 90's and the music never skipped

The new peta bit discs can hold 2000 4k blue rays.

>>718285617
>optical disc
>analog
anon, i...

>>718285583
... because they're not cases. They're caddies.

>>718284934 (OP)
reusing the bones of the deader than dead hi-md

>>718285704
*sony

oh and heres another thing that'll blow the broccoli off the zoomer mind

I connected the cd player to my shitty cars speakers through the tape deck

you connected a fucking cassete tape to the headphone jack of the discman and put in the casette player

>>718285530
>discs are fragile
>disc readers have a limited lifespan
>noisy as fuck
It sucks.

>>718285881
yeah those were always cool.

>>718284934 (OP)
It was typical Sony proprietary format nonsense that they're known for doing, same reason why the PSP and Vita used "special" memory cards instead of normal SD/microSD cards.

>>718285147
People forget this was the case back then. A lot of PSP games were more than 500MB, a good handful of those being more than 1GB or even 1.5GB, so if Sony used a cartridge with flash memory it would've been very expensive compared to UMDs.
Also Sony was banking on UMDs gaining enough of a foothold to create a new market for portable DVD players that used UMDs. Then people found out how to hack their PSPs and play digital backups, not to mention iPod and Zune introduced people to playing video files off their devices instead, so the format died flat on its face.

Literally never had a problem with UMD discs and I wasnt exactly careful with my PSP.

>>718285881
same

>>718285565
There's something about a device that just does the one thing
There's a power to it, it feels different in your hands

>>718285808
i doubt they play golf

>>718285881
I had an older car for a while and was doing this but with an iPod

>>718286298
That's not nearly as funny as you think it is.

>>718286575
I think it's a little bit funny.

>>718284934 (OP)
Could have been good if they were a square instead that retarded shape.

>>718286671
A little bit.

>>718285118
>wasn't optical media more information dense at the time?
nope

>>718284934 (OP)
Store data.

>>718285881
>>718285979

Still sounded like shit. Cassettes were junk for audio quality.

>>718285993
It didn't help that UMD drives were prone to failure. The two most common failure points on the PSP were the screen getting dead pixels and the UMD drive shitting itself.

>>718285565
They are making a bit of a comeback in niche circles.

It would've worked if it was two-sided. The double UMD.

>>718284934 (OP)
SOVL

Anons, you did recycle the battery out, right?

>>718287526
yup, did it for my 3DS, too

>play the shit out of my PSP
>never owned a single UMD the whole time
I'd feel a little sorry if Sony wasn't so fucking gay right now.

>>718287496
(TM) (R) (C)

My friend recently got into PSP games. Is there any reason at all to play the first Dissidia instead of Duodecim besides the plot?

>>718287887
Is there any reason to play those games at all?

>>718284934 (OP)
Flash memory was still very expensive when the PSP first launched in 2005. A 2GB memory stick would cost you over a hundred bucks at that time but the prices started freefalling by 2007.

>>718288218
Dissidia is fun

>>718287401
>junk for audio quality
Same audio quality you get on youtube. Not audiophile quality but perfectly fine for 95% of people and applications. Better than half the audio CDs that came out with garbage mastering.

>>718288679
Seconding this. Cassettes had really good audio quality. Better than it needed to be for the time period that they were popular. Most of the time the bad audio came from a dirty tape deck or shitty headphones/speakers. Speakers were the usual culprit. Headphones at the time were hot garbage unless you spent like 200 bucks and that was a huge ask.

>>718288383
Is it?

>>718288679
>>718288890
Good cassettes that you recorded and played back from a good recorder could actually beat the audio quality of a CD.
Most people don't know that. Since most people only know about cassettes from the shitty mass produced cassette albums sold in stores. I still collect them for their artwork but I never playback factory made tapes.

>>718288928
They are.

>>718287440
Faux retro aliexpress minimalist slop. The epitome of soulless.

>Friend borrows PSP/UMD for a bit because they don't have one themselves
>They break open the plastic around the UMD because they think you have to put the disc in like a CD/DVD

Anyone else have this happen to them
Happened to me on like 3 separate occasions I had to start fucking telling dipshits beforehand not to do that and show them how they go in

>>718285583
I remember them being fucking flimsy, I had ones splitting apart on their own

>>718289132
Can you explain what they're about and why they're fun?

>>718284934 (OP)
I'm wondering why they invented a new format instead of using MiniDisc. It already had anti skip features, lots of market share, and would have meant easier playback of music in the PSP.

>>718284934 (OP)
>play monster hunter
>every single little area takes like 20 seconds to load
>get hit by monster
>20 second load screen
>walk back in
>20 second load screen
i hacked all my friends psps, and suddenly monster hunter had no load times, the battery lasted twice as long, and the psp itself was silent. umds were a shit meme.

>>718284934 (OP)
>For what purpose
Storage.
Single sided UMDs held like 900mb of data compared to the most common DS flash cartridge size at the time which was 64mb
Once flash memory got cheaper optical discs fell behind.

>>718287401
Those adapters have way better quality than actual cassette tapes.

>Get first job at Sears
>Just kinda back and forth between the floor and warehouse keeping shit stocked
>See a portable CD player, can use MP3 CDs, won't skip, all that good shit
>Pick one up, have it on my belt
>Warehouse/truck guys all have cassette players on theit hips
>Giving me a hard time, talkin' shit about CD players and how they skip
>"Whatever, guys. I can make CDs with 150 SONGS NO SKIPPING NO FLIPPING EAT SHIT."
>This whole MP3 CD is brand new, they don't believe me
>Finally get one to stand around and look at the thing
>Shove my headphones on him, start just going through the CD song after song aftet song
>He finally nods and says "Well, alright. Pretty cool."
>One of the othet warehouse guy says "Probably sounds like shit."
>The guy I wrangler shakes his head and "Naw, all the songs on here I know sound fine."
>Like a week later, the guy I showed has a CD player on his hip
>Then a second
>Finally everyone does
>BECOME A GOD AMONG WAREHOUSE since I was the only mofo that could burn CDs.
>Remember going home with huge lists of songs to download and burn to CDs
>Everyone mixing and matching and sharing music and having a grand ol' time
Man those were some fun times. Everyone else was in their 30's and some teenager comes in and upsets everything they know about music and technology. That was all we would ever talk about and we were always browsing the electronic section for the newest electronic hotness. What weird and wild times those were. Everything was so exciting.

mhfu fucked up my hand

>>718290248
source on pic?

>>718290646
generic anime whore 2353253
dumbness coomer

>>718284934 (OP)
popping open that UMD tray is so fun i do it just the hell of it in the middle of playing games

>>718285369
>Bringus posts here.
Checks out.

>>718289849
You press buttons to fight characters from Final Fantasy, run along walls, grind rails. Pretty cool.

>>718285250
>and worked well for its media (music).
Not really. Far too small, slow and probably scratched like cds.

>>718291551
>and probably scratched like cds
Not a case. They're in a caddie.

>>718287440
>They are making a bit of a comeback in niche circles.
Fucking horseshit.
At gigs all they sell are tapes and final.
Cds, Dvds and Blu rays all rot over time. They were not built to last, like HDDs and SSDs.

All were built to die eventually so you were forced to buy more of them.
An environmental catastrophe too. Fuck megacorps.

>>718290248
>Proceeds to bait with anime and obvious bait greenpost.
>>718290646
>Get's caught out.
>>718290706
>Proceeds to double down on bullshit and call anon a coomer instead.

Almost like this guy is paid to annoy people on 4chan.

>>718291692
They're garbage like the cases for floppies anyway and I chewed (literally) through many of those as a toddler.

>>718284934 (OP)
cool as shit, you can tilt the thing when it's spinning and hear WHIRRRRRRRRRRRRR

>>718291863
Wait, which one? I just posted the greentext.

I can't believe my intro to computers in like 1998 was monochrome screened floppy running dos computer from like the early 80s (IBM Personal Computer?). That is bizarre considering how shit that machine was in 1998 and that I was only a toddler (I still remember running that thing, somehow, by myself without being able to read properly - I could work out symbols and maybe words and that was it).
A year later we got win-98 and then the second edition. What a rapid change of computers in such a short amount of time. Most people my age barely used windows 98, let alone DOS let alone a computer with a monochrome green screen on floppys.

We already had dvds with 4 GB capacity by 1998. Monochrome screens in that era? Kinda unthinkable. That thing barely ran pong from memory, that old. Replaced it in like a couple months with a 3.0 computer, then the 98 computer later that year. Some of my earliest memories are just sitting in front of those computers playing old games and then suddenly age of empires. Good times. I miss DOS. But fuck windows 98, I hated that even as a 5 year old kek.

>all the forced ads on the actual 98 OS desktop (not just start) was WORSE than windows 10/11, much much worse oh my god I cannot believe how bad it was compared to windows XP, the saviour
We need to go back to clean win XP/7, but keep the linux integration, I like linux too. Fuck Mac. We don't need Mac. DOS/NT/Linux/Unix is kino.

>>718292339
Man I wish I was paid to troll here. Should I join the FBI? I heard they give free alt rock cds and lolis.

>>718291930
Do you think that could be the cause of your brain damage?

>>718287401
Those adapters are literally just a way to nigger rig an aux jack into a head unit that doesn't have one. No transformation of the signal takes place, it takes the output from your device and blasts it into the read head. If it sounds like shit it's because you're playing a 128kbps mp3 or something.

I miss that crisp slap feel when closing the UMD slot

>>718284934 (OP)
Solid state storage was still extremely expensive in 2004
For example the DS version of Resident Evil (2006) had to be shrunk down to fit in a 128 MB cartridge with the audio quality suffering a lot

>>718285565
Fake ass nigga
Shinji had a cassette player, not a CD player

>>718284934 (OP)
Preservation, those things will last forever - unlike flash memory.
The oldest DS carts have just passed 20 years, interesting to see how many begin to stop working over the next 10 from flash cell degradation.

>>718293104
Most people did even up until the 00s.
There was a small period when even I used a cd walkman, but then I decided to not bother, it was too much hassle.
1 cassette mix tape was enough for most people.

If not, you got an ipod or mp3 player.
>you now remember the shitty mp3 players with like 300mb of room for like 20 songs

>>718293534
>Preservation, those things will last forever - unlike flash memory.
Wrong, they last not much longer than most HDDs, though HDDs require use 1x per year to keep data on them. HDDs arguably have more life than them because they're protected by a much better case often.
SSDs have write/read limitations which makes them less reliable for long term data storage though.


We need to go back to tapes and make them fast. They were getting ok until recently too. You can also store a fuck tonne of shit on them, like nearly 100s of terabytes. It's just a bit slower than HDDs and SSDs. Can also be kinda dicky to use correctly.
Much more longevity though.

>>718293940
>Wrong, they last not much longer than most HDDs, though HDDs require use 1x per year to keep data on them.
I really want to know your source on this misinformation.
HDD's are permanantly written to, unless you sit them in front of a magnet. Even then, turning them on wont magically fix them because you've raped it and its children.
There is no functionality that reads every single bit on the platters and reinforces data integrity.

>>718293715
>>you now remember the shitty mp3 players with like 300mb of room for like 20 songs
mine only had 128mb
i used winamp to turn SNES .spc format music into mp3s to load on to it

>>718294263
https://youtu.be/xA9Xq7hb6Q0

They last longer overall, but you need to turn them on regularly to keep the data on it.
This vid says rewrites for 2-5 is ok. I've read 1 year in places. I swear it was this video though... hmmm.
Maybe that was SSD.

>>718294583
I don't think that video mentioned also the physical decay of lubricant inside the HDD, which cannot be replaced and is total game over for the drive.

>>718291334
Bringus supports discord troons because they're the ones helping and doing all the stuff behind the scenes, he's as tech literate as the average /v/tizen

>>718284934 (OP)
It just worked. No one has tried anything new since the PSP and look where the industry is now. Stagnant.

What are the best games for psp I should play?
I mostly used mine for emulating so I'm not that familiar with a lot of the library. The only psp games I really put time into were loco roco, monster hunter and a few shovelware games I got as gifts.

>>718295859
One guy asked this a few weeks or months back and I decided to make a list of stuff I enjoyed or messed around with so give this a check if you want. Keep in mind tokusatsu games are more for tokusatsu fans and are always low budget and usually Japanese-only so uh, don't expect great things from them if you aren't a fan.

>>718293534
>Preservation, those things will last forever
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disc_rot

>>718293715
>Most people did even up until the 00s.
yeah I had a portable casette player but never a portable cd player, I moved straight to mp3 player. there was no real need for portable cd players because people generally had cd boomboxes with cassette bays and it was really easy to rip cds into cassettes, I know I did that a shitload.

Hopefully they figure out how to make SSD's that never degrade in the future. Seems like we just have to rely on SSD and archival grade bluray/DVD for now.

>>718285583
I remember seeing my cousin crack one apart cause he didn't know you were suppose to leave it like that

>>718284934 (OP)
Sony made consoles with soul back then

>>718286268
I fully agree with you. I liked having my flip phone for texting and calls and I liked my iPod,itouch for music. I like my consoles to be a console and. It a streaming platform for movies or tv. it just feels fucking better when you have something dedicated to one thing and it great at that.

>>718289537
*enters your dreams*
*breaks your games*

>>718291750
>hdd and ssd
>not also failing over time

Nice bait

>>718292479
Whats a good beginner level Linux distro for someone who doesn’t know much about computers and has no coding knowledge? this would just be for web browsing I guess and checking email. not for videogames which I would use windows for.

>>718285703
You mean Sony made better shit than the junk on the market and tried to provide the best to customers but everyone jumped on the slop train and Sony lost out by trying to provide the product with the most features since streamlined shit became the norm.

>>718285929
Cars need constant repair and make a lot of noise. I just go everywhere on my bike because I only have to change a tube everynow and then and it makes less noise.

>>718299430
>Hopefully they figure out how to make SSD's that never degrade in the future
Is that even something that is possible with our SSDs? I don't know a whole lot about them BUT isn't this kind of memory all just little charge traps? You test the trap and if it's charged its a 1 and not charge its a 0 or something? Because if that's how it works then eventually won't the charge eventually quantum tunnel its way out and essentially delete the data? I'm not saying storing data indefinitely is impossible always and forever but wouldn't we need a totally different way to store data? Like straight up physically change how SSDs work?

I dunno, I may be dumbassing my way through this. There is only so much of "how it works" I can watch before the real technical stuff starts going over my head.

>>718285703
Memory stick is the original memory card card format you retard. SD cards were not only slower they were also released years after it.

>>718287887
>Is there any reason at all to play the first Dissidia instead of Duodecim besides the plot?
there isn't even a reason for plot. mechanically duodecim is just a fighting game iterative sequel where we just added more shit to the previous game and maybe replaced some shit that sucks with something similar but better. once you beat the duodecim storyline you unlock the entire original games story, redone in the new way less grindy and shitty version of story mode they created for this new game, and then after THAT there's even MORE new story shit set after the original game, and THEN you unlock the designated semi-random dungeon mode with its own mechanics (heavily fleshed out version of the arcade mode of the og).

even if you just really like how the original version played with EX mode being broken and no assists, this game is so fucking genius it includes a "custom rules" setting where you essentially get to adjust the values on nearly every aspect of the game engine so you can just make the game play like the original anyway

>>718284934 (OP)
>turn around too fast
>game starts fucking stuttering
UMDs for the PSP was a fucking awful, awful idea.

>>718306019
i used mine for 10 years and i don't remember ever having that issue, did you play while spinning on your chair like a mongoloid?
only problem i had with UMDs is that they were fucking loud

>>718306119
How much of an issue it is depends entirely on how much the game in question loads from the RAM versus the disc. But it genuinely fucks a lot with a lot of games.

>>718284934 (OP)
When I first got a PSP for my birthday I thought the UMD was just a case for the disc inside so I used all my strength the break the disc out of its plastic prison. I found out after that the PSP had no disc drive and I cried all day after my dad yelled at me.

>>718305201
They really hit it out the park with Dissidia, then Square execs fuked it all up for everybody

>>718284934 (OP)
Soul

>>718284934 (OP)
And it failed miserably. Almost everyone who bought a PSP installed custom firmware and pirated games. Faster loading times, no disc screeching, and suddenly Sony was forced to sell its games for $20.

>>718284934 (OP)
kino and soul

>>718284934 (OP)
So you can own the game you purchased.

>>718306480
when i die my vengeful spirit will be angry enough to haunt some poor fucker and make him do absolutely unhinged shit solely from the sheer anger and disappointment i felt because of dissidia NT

>>718303960
Linux Mint or Kubuntu/KDE Neon

>>718291750
nigger, tapes wear out everytime you play them

>>718306535
>Sony was forced to sell its games for $20.
Platinum games are always 50% of the original price you absolute retard.

>>718284934 (OP)
>it's 2005
>go and buy the new PSP
>"Oh i can't wait to play some fun games"
>End up using it just for watching porn and listening to music

>>718284934 (OP)
Cheap, strong. It's a little cd in a case, lol

When my retard elder brother broke my PSP (physically smashed it during one of his tantrums involving the entire house) when we were teenagers, the UMD survived.

I think it's part of why PSP games could be sold so cheaply, at a time when memory card games were so expensive.